I have sympathy for anyone who lost their job as a result of Quinn’s gambling but am 100% with you on the notion that they deserve support. These support rallies are just so misguided and have in the past just been a platform for lies to be told (and they have been).

The employees and former employees are a lot more familiar with the true FACTS in this story and will not be played for fools by the Anglo propaganda campaign that you and I are paying for. Its important to remember that Quinn offered the State 2.8 billion (matter of public record) but that offer was thrown in his face and the people of ireland were defrauded out of this money. Quinn family offered to appear before a Dail Committee to answer questions in relation to the outrageous call on the Insurance Compensation Fund, which was not of their making. Not the actions of a family who have anything to hide but one has to wonder why the Gov. Anglo and the Financial Regulator are refusing to answer any questions that the people deserve answers to.

Peter, don’t listen to the Quinnspin – if you dig a bit deeper and see the details of the proposed ‘rescue plan’ you’ll see exactly why it was rejected.

Fu**ing Jackasses, stupid backward people that have the country stuck in the 1920s. Imbeciles!!!!

Peter, you are completely correct. He offered to pay back the monies over a 7 year period. However, the vehilce he proposed using for this repayment was the singular money making asset left in his portfolio, his Insurance company, which was driving nearly all his investments. My question is. How can a company, with an initial estimated hole in its accounts of three-quarters of a billion euro, which has been raided illegally for funds to pay for a failed banking scheme, and whos owners have twice in recent years been requested by the regulator to get their house in order, how can it even begin to contemplate to be responsible for a near total bill of €4 billion? On of the reasons Quinn Insurance was so successful was its claims model. It is a ruthless model, twice been sanctioned in the courts and by the ombudsman. However a major problem was discovered when the unsettled claims were investigated. Serious underreporting, along with inadequate reserve funding has rolled up an enormous deficit from premium charged and recieved. Huge Solicitor claims in the UK, currency exchange shortfalls, these all were basic Insurance operational functions that Quinn failed to adhere to. And becasuse he did he was able to show profits that really werent there and uncut companies that were playing by the rules. Unfortunately practices like these only go on for so long before they are caught. And Quinn Insurance was caught and we are now footing the bill. So if you know of any other asset that Quinn has that could pay back 2.8billion Im all ears, and so would Sean Quinn be.

Peter, you need to do some research on the true state of Quinn Insurance, a company which posted the best part of a billion euros in losses in 2008 and 2009 when Sean Quinn and his family ran the company. This is worth a read. http://namawinelake.wordpress.com/2012/08/08/the-quinn-insurance-debacle-or-how-on-earth-have-we-ended-up-on-the-hook-for-over-e1bn-or-1-of-our-gdp/

To Peter and all the other pro-Quinners – Can I ask you what do you think would have happened if Quinn’s proposal had been accepted? As mentioned above by Mark, Quinn Insurance was in the hole to the sum of about 750 million already. Now considering the Insurance Industry lost nearly 900 million in weather related claims in the last two years alone, where in Gods name would they be pulling the money from?

Thats the problem Pedro, the entire repayment argument was built around Quinn Insurance. Now that thats been proven to be a totally mismanaged company they have nothing else to hang their hat on. And noone will explain how a total of nearly 4 billion can be repaid and with what assets in a 7 year time frame. None of the supporters can answer it.

Shame on the lot of them

Well if it’s his fathers car, its listed value is €6,000.

I’ll bid €6,100 please.

This car in the picture belongs to one of the girls that work in the cement factory. She was taken out of the car and the car was placed in the middle of the road with the banner on the front hence the “this is an IRBC car” because the girl was working for the “bank” THESE PEOPLE ARE A F**KING DISGRACE.The people of ireland should stop sitting on their arse and rally in Ballyconnell to show these idiots that they CANNOT get away with this continued intimidation of people trying to get to work feed their kids and pay their mortgages. They are punishing OUR fellow citizens for the actions of 1 greedy man and his family

Kathy, there is no doubt about the thuggish elements among the Quinn supporters. They and the people they support can’t win arguments in the independent and impartial courts of this land, so they resort to intimidation. Age-old tactics.

I was not there when that happened but that is a lie. There was a blockade and she got out of the car and walked. You are just making lies up!

I thought you said you weren’t there Tom?

Mattoid,

Look at one of the posts near the bottom from me. I posted it after I came back. But you never get anything wrong. Like your beliefts with regards Quinn. So you must be right? Oh will be stop making things up.

@ Kathy Dowd That is a total lie. I wasn’t there but have been told that the person in question left their car there, walked through the blockade and got a lift up to where she works at the other end. Also, this person does not work in the Cement plant., as I am sure you know, or if you work in the Quinn Group, SHOULD know…..
One final point, if you are working in the Quinn Group the person who created your job initially was Sean Quinn and I believe he deserves more loyalty than calling him a “greedy man”. Yes, “THESE PEOPLE ARE A F**KING DISGRACE”, but I wouldn’t direct that statement to the people who were standing on the road today…..I’d direct it to people like yourself Kathy.

Hi Clairvoyant Cara, can you tell me who’s going to win the 11 o’clock in Melbourne. Quick now, I’ve bets to place.

A 2007 CLS worth €183,000 Henry?

The next time you are thinking about buying a car,
please give me a call.

Is this protest just for Sean Quinn, as the title of this article states?

These people wouldn’t be protesting about a Criminal Bank
or a Bought out Government and Dail,
or Corrupt Taxes to payback faceless bondholders 100%+ of their gambling debts,
or fat salaried, self serving ”legal eagles” and ”accountancy firms/receivers” who gave rotten institutions a clean bill of health when appropriate.

#Cara How dare you call me a liar as you stated you were not there and as for #see no evil hear no evil against quinn#tom mcmanus who also wasn’t there. I certainly do not work for seanie, even if i did i owe him nothing,but i am 1 of millions paying for his bills. These people stopped workers going in to work 7 weeks before christmas, they face loosing a days pay because “supporters” blocked the roads. Nice One. They’ve shot themselves in the foot there. As you, and people like you can see, your fast running out of support, as is your leader. And for the record I was directly quoting Seanie himself Cara when i state that Seanie was a “greedy man” sure did he not say so on the one of the many sympathy interviews he gave.You seem to know the girl involved maybe you should chat to her and “hear the whole truth”as you people are fond of saying .Forced out, Taken out whats the difference she deserves a medal i wish there were a few million with her back bone.To suggest that i’m a disgrace for wanting to get to work to feed my children and pay my mogtgage shows how warped your sense of humanity appears. #GET A LIFE CARA “NO SECOND NAME” ??? Both of you are so far removed from reality i’m surprised you know what day of the week it is.These people are will to do whatever is necessary to see Quinn restored to his former tainted glory. They refuse to see how this is affecting their own community. People are afraid to say anything against Quinn even the slightest negative comment. A local woman couldn’t attend work because she was so afraid of crossing to blockade another man in the area had an appointment in hospital and couldn’t go for the same reason.Do you suggest #Cara that he walks also. When you are not blinded by the shine of Quinns halo you can see clearly how ordinary people are affected by this.People that didn’t attend the last rally were conspicuous by their absense which didn’t go unnoticed.Every mass, Every meeting and every GAA match its rammed down their throats about supporting Quinn weather they want to or not. MAYBE WHILE YOUR ALL LIFTING QUINN TO THE GREAT HEIGHTS OF SAINTHOOD YOU MIGHT LOOK DOWN AND SEE WHO IT IS YOUR STEPPING ON. Call me a liar now, consider closing your mouth and opening your ears maybe you’ll learn something that has compeletly gone over the heads of your buddies. XXXXX

Quinn was in the wrong and should face the consequences for that. BUT who saddled IBRC to the Irish Tax Payer?………..The Government / State………….. Who saddled Sean Quins debts and gambles via IBRC to the Irish Tax Payer?…..YES the very people you elect to Dail Eireann.

So no the money isn’t OWED to the Irish People. It should never had been made owned by our corrupt shower of parasites in the first place.

A bit of perspective people………….A pox on both their houses.

The money IS owed to the Irish people. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it isn’t.

John Murphy.
No its owed to the Bondholders. Their bad debts. Let them chase Quinn and we’ll skip paying them. Makes sense no?

No, that makes absolutely no sense.

Makes sense, but it’s not happening and won’t happen.

Like it or not, banks are guaranteed & Quinn has to honour his debts. He’s currently doing his best to stop the state getting our money back and taking the piss out of every one of us.

He’s a local hero in Cavan/Fermanagh but he’s run his companies into the ground and is feeding them complete nonsense in a weird effort to keep the locals on side.

John Murphy
I agree, we are where we are as the man once said. My post was to point out the reality of where we are due to state corruption. Engaging in regionalism only plays into the States hands by wiping them clear of any blame. Insider media is playing this ball too. (not this publication)

Please apportion blame where it should go but save the vitriol for the grand master of all scams…the two successive governments since 2008 and insider Ireland.

Sean, whatever about the bonds, he’s also responsible for the insurance levy, which is putting 2% onto all our insurance premiums at the moment because of the reckless way he ran his companies.

lads fair enough he took a gamble and lost also put properties beyond the reach of anglo which is a notorious corrupt bank and the people who worked in it,so why has Ea Y not being investigated and also recieve wealthy contracts from the state ,this firm of accountants provided the accounts which showed anglo as a healthy bank which we all know this was not the case ,are they untouchable or does this goverment as well condone criminal activity

Sean. I think your comment blaming governments since 2008 is incorrect. The damage was done from 2000 (or earlier), when the government, opposition, developers, bankers (remember Dan McLoughlin from BOI) etc. all conspired to continue inflating the property bubble. What has happened since about 2007 is the result of what went on before. The crisis started in 2007 but if we are to learn from it we need to look at what caused it. It frightens me that people think that rising propery prices into the future will help fix the crisis. That is just going to lead ti more similar problems.

Hey, they re-elected Beverly Cooper Flynn in Mayo so doesn’t surprise me they still defend Quinn.

If Sean Quinn had the chance to get all his money back but he had to tell the people of Cavan and Fermanagh that they where all a bunch of f***ing idiots for supporting him, he’d do it in a heart beat! I honestly feel sorry for them who are probably like the rest of us and struggling from one bill to the next and yet they’d probably give their last euro to support a bankrupt billionaire, who would gladly take it without remorse

the should re-name that are ”waco”

Sean Quinn could be out of gaol in an hour if he stopped trying to defraud the Irish people of the money he owes them. He presided over a heinous attempt to hide assets which rightly belong to this country – and he is still doing it. Its beyond me why the people of Cavan cannot see this.

Wolfgang,
I wasn’t at the protest today, but I fully support these people for standing up to injustice. The injustice that a corrupt bank, government and media have perpetrated on Quinn and his family. Anglo’s actions in using fictitious accounts to attract Quinn to invest in their bank. Accounts that would have convinced any man with money in his back pocket to invest. They then give loans out to Quinn’s children to prop up the share price. They later (6wks later) go after each of the children and ask them to sign documents to say that they had been given legal advice prior to the signing over of the loans. Quinn puts forward a perfectly viable proposal to pay back the entire debt over a 7 year period. Banks and ministers approved the plan…as did Anglo for a while, however Mike Ainsley and Matthew elderfield wanted Quinn gone. The proposal is ignored and Quinn’s hands are tied. Elderfield and Ainsley could now be blamed for not retrieving the money, but no, Quinn is blamed Anglo then take everything Quinn owns off him. (Well in excess of the 455 million of undisputed debt). This is where the debt is finished, paid, nul, until the court case in April where the ownership of the remaining debt will be established. But that is not how it played out. Anglo took out court orders preventing Quinn from moving HIS OWN ASSETS. Quinn breached them and judge ruled on the case in front of her….. The government nationalise the bank and put all of Anglo’s 33+ debt on the tax-payer. Anglo can’t retrieve assets so they ask Noonan is it ok to hand over 155million euro to a Russian company who MAY be able to help…and still the ownership of these assets hasn’t been established. A protest against injustice….I wish I had been there.

Y.F – Please do a little more research on Quinn’s “7 year proposal”. If you’re going to start painting Quinn as the angel in this story you’d better be prepared to defend his solution based on one of the worst run and ruthless insurance companies in Ireland.

And as for this “poor old humble Quinn knew no better” lark…

Pedro, Maybe you should listen to Sean Junior ‘s interview on Joe Finnegan today. He’s worth listening to. As for the description you give for Quinn Insurance. There is a hole of 1.6 bn in it, as found several months ago. But when the Quinn family have themselves been on television twice and on the radio several times asking for an inquiry into where the hole came from, it would leave you wondering if Quinn really is at fault for it. They wouldn’t be pushing for an inquiry, if they thought it had anything to do with them.

Y.F The following is a link to Sean Quinn Junior’s interview on the radio today. Very interesting…..

Oops
http://www.northernsound.ie/podcasts.php

Don’t worry, your not the only one that is embarrassed that you are from Fermanagh.

Well said Edward , your’re correct the poor quinns are only trying to squirell away a few hundred million until they can get back on their feet .Persnonally, I’d like to dontae 3% of my insurance premium towards their upcoming christening , oh yeah , im already paying that to the government becasue of Sean ,ah well , i hope they let him out for christmas because prison is very inconvienient like that and he may miss the downton abbey christmas special , Im sure the good folks at the continuity irish citizen , sorry , the concerned irish citizens group will sky plus it for him

Tensing,
I seriously doubt that two members of the Quinn family would go on television and ask that there be an inquiry into the 1.6bn hole in Quinn Direct, and 3 of them would ask for the same inquiry during radio interviews, if they thought they had nothing to do with the hole. No-one will look into what caused it. There is a reason for this. …….in the mean time we’ll listen to the Anglo spin about it being Quinn’s fault!

YF Id be delighted if there was an investigation into the hole, cause if it was found that the figure of 1.6b was way over estimated, it would be brilliant cause the Irish public wouldnt be on the hook for so much. But even the Quinns themsleves had admitted that there is at least a half a billion, £500m, shortfall. So why would anyone hand back a company which has been traded and handled as badly as they have with this one. Bring on the investigation…..It could save me money.

Oh, and have you had any luck with the details of that 7 year repayment plan? Peter still ahsnt got his head around it, any help you could give him would be great

Mark – you’re wasting your time. Anyone with half a brain could see that the plan was not viable. The people who support SQ don’t want to know. I’m not blind to the fact the Anglo have a lot to answer and that there’s always 2 sides to a story etc etc.. but it does not hide the fact that the 3 members of the Quinn family have been found to be in contempt of court. Clearly they support law breaking.

lol@SmcB..i know, sometimes its just the masochist in me coming out, but maybe, just maybe, asking enough questions of every one of the sheople will drag them back from the dark side when they realise the spin from Quinn has no foundation to it at all. I think its our duty to educate the afflicted, whatever the difficulties we face…

Heard it too. What really annoyed be is the lies and misinformation his so called supported were allowed to get away with on a national radio station that went uncorrected by Joe Duffy.

also heard it

and was baffled by one thing: this is not a referendum where two sides have to get equal airtime. this is simply another ‘issue’. a truer reflection of support for and against quinn would have had nothing like the bias apparent on the duffy show

this bias was maintained to ensure maximum argument. which is why duffy’s show is so god damned awful most of the time. the issue is never what is at stake it is always the shows (conflict at all costs) format that determines everything

Hope you guys enjoy Joe Duffy!

Oh maybe they were greedy…. But is it takes two…. I really can’t understand how nobody is on the banks back…. They pushed money on the Quinn’s (in my opinion this is illegal) and they pushed money on almost every developer in this country during the boom. Now how come nobody cares about what this disgraceful bank has done…… Anybody???? Wake up…. The bank is playing the card that either the Quinn’s pay or the public pay…. Very clever IBRC. Now look at all these comments here today…. the people reacting to the fact that they now have to pay for this…. They are not looking at what caused this mess… IBRC /stare/ bad regulation caused this mess… Over and out….

He wasn’t duped into thinking the horse was good. The daft sod had taken on his CFD gamble before the bank even knew about it. The whole family seem to be in on this scam. Bang every one of ‘em away until they come clean.

Firstly, Quinn was not betting on a horse, he was investing in a bank through CFD’s. The bank showed him fictitious accounts that made the investment extremely attractive. What Anglo did, by cooking the books was completely illegal (as will be proven in court in April). Secondly, the investment was a private one with a private bank,,,nothing to do with the tax-payer. Thirdly, Anglo has absolutely NO claim on any of Quinn’s foreign assets, as the loans were never guaranteed with any of these assets. Therefore, the court orders, sought by Anglo to make sure that Quinn didn’t move HIS OWN ASSETS are a complete farce. The judge was dealing with the case in front of her (IE that Quinn breached court orders) nothing else. He is being punished for contempt of court, nothing else. If anyone is being dupped is is us, who are continue to be dupped by Anglo, and the government.

You cannot invest in a company using contracts for difference.

Richards spot on, CFDs are massively complicated products, Quinn took a punt and lost

And unregulated ‘punts’ at that…

A CFD is an investment instrument. You may not make a direct investment in the company but that does not take away from the fact that is an investment.

A ‘Contract For Difference’ is not the same as investing the full economic value of a share in a company. Do you accept that?

YF , I see your still pedalling this bullshit , Sean Quinn is in jail for contempt of our courts , he was previously fined and removed as Chairman of the insurance company for illegal use of company funds , and you think any financial regulator should then agree to let him continue to run the company in a so called 7 year plan , that was deluded , a man who had gambled using CFDs lost , his empire collapsed as a result and all this nonsense being peddled by supporters is rubbish…

I accept that is no less an investment than any other type.

Those who peddle CFD’s and call them ‘investments’ can do so in the safe knowledge that same ‘instruments’ are not regulated. To call a CFD an ‘investment’ is utter nonsense.

They are a joke

Theyd shite themselves (even more than they do usually) if the true representation of the country against Sean ‘Daddy’ Quinn turned up on their doorsteps.

Mind you, it might be better to let them have their moment to blow off a bit of steam. Really, what else can they actually do? Gets a bit cold for bog swimming around there this time of year.

Mark you at it again. You are a one man vigilante. Previously you were saying that three million people were going to rise against his supporters. Do you know that tune that plays at the circus? I can only imagine that plays in your head on a continous loop.

Too right . If this kind of behavior happened in Dublin , Cork , Limerick , Galway or any other city they would have the riot police out in force and the thugs would be moved off with pepper spray , water hoses and god knows what else.

What debt are you talking about aidan?

are you for real?

The losses of more than one billion euros at Quinn Insurance that the people of this country will have to cover in the form of an insurance levy immediately spring to mind Shane.

Please don’t paint all the people in Cavan Fermanagh and the border counties with the same brush. These fools are a minority. Most people in the area know that Sean Quinn made stupid mistakes and must face the consequences, regardless of what good he has done for the region

I had a laugh out loud moment yesterday when a newspaper commented on the fact that Mrs. Sean Quinn. Snr could actually be seen walking around town, shopping! OMG, like a normal human being!

Conor, you say supporters of Sean Quinn are in the minority in the Cavan Fermanagh region. That is a lie! Why did 7000 people go to the last rally. Do you think any politican other than barack obama could get a crowd like that? You seem to think you speak for the people of the area. I think if you visit the area, you will find you don’t

the combined Population of Cavan and Fermanagh according to the last census results is 130,760, so 7000 people at the rally (which is a wildly exaggerated figure anyway) is definitely a minority. I live in Enniskillen but my Mum is from Teemore so I know the area very well. People are annoyed and shamed by what the Quinns did but most accept he broke the law and has to face the consequences.

Tom, I admire the way that you try to educate people on this site of the real facts but some people are not interested int he truth. However, I wonder how many of them really understand what they are talking about and that Quinn offered to pay the State 2.8 billion euros in this dispute and create 1800 additional jobs. This is a matter of publlic record so for all you Quinn bashers, put that in your pipe and smoke it.

@Conor,
I really appreciate your open attitude and the free expression of your views but I wish you wouldn’t identify yourself so clearly, given that some people have a warped view of the world and any kind of messenger is fair game.
IRBC(Anglo) are the messenger in the cross hairs of this particular vendetta. And stirring up that vendetta against messengers is very much part of the Campaign.

Conor,

Not everyone who supports a cause goes out an protests. Everyone will agree with that. So your census figures mean nothing. Political parties would get it very hard to get numbers like that out. You say that the numbers are exaggerated. How would you know that? I was there and the figures were not exaggerated. You mention Teemore. I have not heard of one person there that is anti Quinn. Let alone most people. The fact there are posters of support for Sean Quinn in the village is a sort of indication that you are lying.

Tom. Sean Quinn made bad decisions. He gamble,. he lost, He had to face the consequences, He broke the Law and was sent to prison for contempt of court.

Most people accept that and if you can’t then that’s your problem.

Well I won’t accept that Conor and there are plenty of reasons why. But my problem is that you believe you can speak for an area, which has shown time and again to have polar opposite views to yourself. And the fact is you are lying when you express that view.

Wake up Tom, Sean Quinn doesn’t give a toss about you or them other people out marching for him.
You are being used like a little pawn in his attempt to avoid his bills.
There seems to be a lot of anger directed towards the people of the Cavan area, but I just pity them. They and you have been conned by a master.

Man on the Street,
It is you that is being conned, day in, day out by your government, by Anglo, and by the media,( which both institutions seem to have a tight reign on). Some day you will learn this, and you’ll realise that Quinn supporters are not the idiots you deem us.

Y F, you seem to have studied the repayment plan Quinn had suggested to Anglo to pay back his 2.8b debt? Have asked Peter a couple of times without an answer, so can only assume he doesnt have your in depth knowledge of it. You would be helping him too I assume

Was just wondering if you could give me any details that you understood from it? How was it to work and what was he going to use to pay it back?

Thanks

Y.F.
You carry on marching for a man who couldn’t less about you. That’s your right.

Mark whats this. You are not threatening to have millions of people rise against Quinn supporters? It is a different tact from you. I hate text speak but just because you are so ridiculous. LOL!

@ Conor. I’m not trying to tar all those in Cavan and Fermanagh with the same brush. And you’re correct, it is a small minority, which is the silver lining on this cloud of ignorance.

Geez, the Scientologists and the Moonies have nothing on the Quinnites.

He placed a bet and lost .Like most gamblers he didnt know when to quit when he was ahead.The greed got the better of him.

Clown country

Idiot country

Our country. :(

Banana Republic…. The Quinns are the least of our problems

Actually, Charlie, the Quinns are responsible for 1/30th of our total problem. You might be happy dismissing that as a negligible amount, but I, and the majority of individuals in this country, are not.

And “banana republic” – just create a signature with this included Charlie – it’s in all your posts anyway?!

His supporters seem to hold the same level of respect towards the law of this lovely land as Quinn himself does.

Shi*hole that used to be a country

Jail them all for cause obstruction to the traffic . Nothing better to be doing I suppose . Too thick to realise the damage Quinn did to this country .

They’re being fed the one story by Quinn & the CIC / CIB. I wouldn’t expect them to be impartial when it comes to this…

Two of them were in front of the high court last month

Mattoid,

You hav’nt apologised for making up lies.

Totally agree with you Brian. Thing is, theres a legal system called ‘Due Process’ which Fitzpatrick, McAteer and Whelan are going through. There needs to be an investigation, with which they are complying and cooperating. Theyve had their assets taken and declared bankrupt. Theyve been charged with 16 counts and are due back in court around December time. It a little thing called The Law and Legal System. And they are in it. As bad as the law and punishments are, they are being dealt with. We may not like the penalties or remedies, but they arent being ignored. And neither are they ignoring the system, unlike some other people I can think of, David Drumm, Sean Quinn Snr, Sean Quinn Jnr and Peter Darragh Quinn.

What ‘lies’ do you think I ‘made up’ exactly Tom? – spell it out for me if you’re going to accuse me of being a liar on a public forum.

You got great faith there Matt…although I reckon you know youre not going to get an answer from the deaf and blind.

Mattoid,

Above you wrote that I said that I had not gone to the protest. In a post in the bottom I posted that I had just come back from the protest. That is the lie I am talking about!

Mark,

I think you will find you were wrong. But then a man who is going to command three million people in rising against Quinn supporters cannot get everything right.

Tom – you mean the bit where you wrote – and I quote – “I was not there when that happened”

And I replied in the very next post “I thought you weren’t there Tom?”

I sympathise with you Tom, you truly are delusional.

Mattoid,

You know well that I was referring to an event. And you told me that your thought I was not there. It is obvious I was there with my comments on the bottom. Even though I was there were one event happened. So yes the lie I am talking about is your comment trying to discredit what I had said by implying that I did not go to the protest.

And then Sean Quinn said let there be light…

Ejits the lot of them.

And then Sean Quinn said let there be light…

Ejits the lot of them.

Done!

really grinds my gears that they are allowed to call a group “Concerned-Citizens-Of-Ireland” it should really be called “A few Deluded Concerned-Citizens-Of-Ireland”

Or to be completely accurate “a few deluded citizens-of-Ireland who don’t actually live in the part of Ireland who’s taxpayers are picking up the tab for Quinn’s excesses and flaunting of the law”

Thing is Charlie, hes not in for his Anglo debt, hes not in for his Isurance debt, hes not in for defrauding his company, nor is he in for asset stripping off shore. Hes solely and only in jail for contempt, for NOT cooperating with court orders. All the other charges he will get his day in ocurt, just like Fizpatrick, Whelan and McAteer have been allocated theirs. Quinn is not behind bars for the financial worngs he so deserves to be behind for, hes behind bars because of his arrogance in spitting in the faces of the Irish people and court system.

I bet you didnt hear THAT at your protest either!!

Mark,

You have to give me a lend of your crystal ball some time. I will give it a clean.

Tom you’re just embarrassing yourself now with your ignore-the-facts-at-all-costs attitude

Mattoid,

You just wrote a lie about me above and have refused to acknowledge the fact.

So Quinn’s supporters blocked the road as a PR stunt for Anglo? (sorry I can’t keep up with all the twisting and turning, ducking and diving his supporters engage in)

LMAO @censored….brilliant, they have their heads so far up their jacksies they dont even know who theyre blaming….must be from all that cousin kissing

Mark,

You are saying our heads up our “jacksies”. Honestly I cannot take up seriously. Tell us more about getting millions of people to rise against Quinn supporters. It brings a smile to my face. But you are not living in a fantasy world obviously.

Tom – you are making a serious accusation about me on a public forum. Tell me exactly what lies I have told or stf up.

Why is everyone going on about the household charge? It was €100 and the introduction of digital tv cost everyone alot more than the household chage. No one complained about saorview and the digital boxes that had to be bought.

Harvey Normans doing saorview boxes for 30 quid Tom. For that 30 quid you get an actual product.
You get nothing back for your HHC.

Apart from Council services, and your Council now being accountable to you for their expenditure you get nothing

If that’s the case Sean, why don’t renters pay?
My income tax/USC should be enough for council services.
I’ve paid my HHC, but I don’t agree with it.

MOTS, the greatest lie about the HHC was that it had nothing to do with payment collection, but with creating a database for future taxes. Theres no central information within government or revenue that has residential owners information. It spread over a variety of systems. The genius (if you could call it that), was to get the people to create the database and then actually charge them for the privilege to do it, all under the illusion that we needed the money for services. And now with the property charge coming in next year they are under pressure to complete the task, hence why threatenin court cases are the order of the day. Those who are standing firm, in my view, are holding back the tide of huge annual bills for the rest of the country. 100e will seem like pittance when people get bills of 500-2000 from next year. And we’ll still have to pay off the quinn bills too

Well said Mark. We are all in for a shock, very soon. Property and water taxes.
That’s why paying for quinns blunders really annoys people.

The Quinns has created his own ordeal. Their redress is through the courts and they have only shown contempt for the courts so far. Two jailed and the other fled the country. If they are right, we may never find out and that will be entirely be their own fault. The local supporters should be questioning the actions that the Quinns have taken to date that are threatening their own community.

Can you please tell us your version of how and why this happened. Feel free to go back to the 1980’s if you wish.

I ask something from you very Quinn people – how do ye justify supporting someone that has already been found GUILTY of breaking serious state laws?
In context of ye giving out about others breaking laws and wanting them to face justice, how can you conveniently overlook one family of law breakers while saying you want others to be jailed?

O’ wait… because he created jobs right? That gives him a “get out of jail card” right?
(…And continently forgets that he also though his OWN reckless many actions caused down the line further unemployment! …but shush…lets not mention that bit!)

Shane, have you been stuck down or something or have you just realised that the Quinns are guilty of causing a lot of ruination to this country?

Well said Shane. I suggest that the Quinn bashers go on to the Concerned Irish Citizens facebook page and check out the information sheet.

@ Peter Gilheany

Does this information sheet explain how 5,000 blind fools can defend a law breaker/criminal?

Why only the 1980s? Why not go all the way back to the illegal quarrying which started the Quinn empire?

Sean Quinn made an irresponsible bad business bet and caused this mess and wont face up to it

not much support here – them people need to wake up

Great to hear.

Yea, it so great to see so many idiots supporting other people who break the law!
Its just wonderful stuff!

Phil, Quinn Insurance had suffered the best part of one billion euros of losses in 2008 and 2009 when Sean Quinn and his family ran the business. With long term liabilities it is estimated that the total losses amount to much more than that. He was involved in dodgy business practices, he and the company were fined and he was removed as chairman. Somehow though you think he should have been allowed to remain in control of Quinn Insurance. Strange.

Phil

How can you rely on his word, or his ability when the insurance company he was running was lying about its financial position for years?

“…we are all responsible for our own actions” ???

Hey folks… NEWSFLASH – that INCLUDES Sean Quinn don’y ya know!

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“if your to lazy” it certainly looks like many of the Quinn supporters may only have a fraction of a brain. I suggest you and some of the other Quinn apologists on here take a serious look at what went on here and stop treating it like a local GAA match. Whenever a valid point is made shooting gaping holes in the Quinn’s defence it is completely ignored, whilst the same old mantra about him offering to pay it all back is played out. Wake up.

I could offer to pay the country 2 billion euros, but if you cared to inspect my plan of how I was to do it, you may find it impossible. Words are cheap and it’s about the only cheap things the Quinn’s have bandied about. I’ll re-post this link from further up the thread, but doubt any of you blinkered Quinn supporters will actually read it:

http://namawinelake.wordpress.com/2012/08/08/the-quinn-insurance-debacle-or-how-on-earth-have-we-ended-up-on-the-hook-for-over-e1bn-or-1-of-our-gdp/

Whilst we’re on the subject of research, any of you Quinn supporters care to comment on the lavish weddings charged to the Quinn group companies? Quick enough to jump up and down when TD’s screw expenses, but it’s alright for Seanie boy and his clan? Man of the people my arse. Here’s another gentle reminder:

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/100000-wedding-cake-billed-to-quinn-company-3244277.html

Shane, The history of the Quinn Group is well documented. Bought his first truck with a £100 loan, broke Irish Cement’s dominance in the market and created many jobs in an economically depressed area yada yada yada. All that is known. Lets not forget he also borrowed money during those years to create the jobs either.

Now back to the present…. Care to comment?