Of course it can …. Looking for notice tactics .

There could be a very expensive christening cake involved. Best not to take chances.

I wonder who will pay for the christening cake or will it be put down as a “marketing” expense

What if his cat gets sick while he’s locked up! Will he qualify for force maejure leave?

He doesn’t deserve to be there!

Firstly, he invested in the company through CFD. They are an investment instrument. Then he did not use reserves from Quinn Direct to invest in the company. He invested in the CFDs and then after Anglo got involved he took reserves out. He admitted that was wrong and was punished by the regulator at the time. The dogs in the street you say. I don’t know what dogs in the street you know. In the height of the boom I remember many brokers recommending that stock. So maybe I should pay for advice from the dogs in your street.
With regards QD. If you reduce the staff signifcantly in an insurance company. The claims process changes dramatically. The administrators did that as soon as they entered QD. They then realised they made a mistake and paid a bonus to get staff to stay. Within the UK market this reduction in staff would increase the average claim life. With the prevelance of accident management companies in the UK this has a detrimental effect on the average claim cost. This obvioulsy has an effect of the reserves.
Let me guess you are a keyboard warrior. Someone who has never taken a risk in their life and never created a job in their life.

Wrong, he didn’t invest in anything. A CFD is a bet on the price of another instrument (Anglo Shares in this case) but are not an investment in that other instrument.
Same as a bet on a horse is not buying a horse.

He used company funds to get into this bet and then to try to manage it when it started going wrong.

Brokers recommending a stock is irrelevant. Estate Agents recommend you buy houses. Butchers recommend you buy meat. Anglo was known as a hothouse ready to implode, it was just a matter of when. Anyone who knew how to analyse a stock was suspicious of it in its last few years. I would not include brokers at Ireland’s leading rip-off merchants as being capable of analysing a stock. Their motivation is to churn volume to the masses by issuing recommendations and profit obscenely in the process.

You guess wrong, I employ a lot of people and have created and continue to create many jobs.

Brokers are not estate agents. You really have no idea about trading do you. You place your orders through the broker anyway. The brokers job is to maximise your capital. Otherwise you would just use one of the internet brokers and get far smaller transaction fees. After the share price fall, yes people had an idea. But this idea of people knowing in the boom is rubbish. You are talking out of your arse. And CFD is a financial instrument used for investing.

You should educate yourself.

Now run along and continue to blindly defend your hero.

I need to educate myself? I invest quite regularly and you have no idea what you are talking about.

I’ll explain it once more:
CFDs are not investments in the underlying stock; they are a bet on the price of the stock only.

Quinn was not investing in Anglo.

He was betting on its stock price and did so, highly leveraged, to the ludicrous extent of 25% of the market capitalisation of the bank.

If you don’t understand what that means, you should speak to one of your brokers before you get yourself into financial trouble for misunderstanding how CFDs work.

Judging by your posts, you might be more successful than Quinn in pleading ignorance and stupidity as your defense.

CFDs are financial derivatives that allow traders to take advantage of prices moving up (long positions) or prices moving down (short positions) on underlying financial instruments.

There are no odds. You don’t walk into a bookies. They are a financial instrument used to invest. Just because you don’t own a full share does not mean it is not an investment. Do you think if I buy a share in BA I can take the part of a plane home with me?

Fotocrat
Too right. He is on the run. I wonder was there a european arrest warrant taken out so that he can be
arrested by the psni and brought back here.

Exactly what I thought (actually shouted at the radio in the car!) when I heard that on the news.Too much deference even now.
And to add insult to injury everyone who has an insurance policy of any kind will pay a levy for the foreseeable future to make up for Quinn’s arrogance and greed.

There is no arrest warrant, an arrest warrant cannot (unfortunately) be issued in cases of civil contempt.

Mattoid! I was referring to your post about there being no minutes taken when the bank guarantee decision was made. If you honestly believe that no minutes were taken, when a momentous decision such as this was taken, then I’m 100% correct in my assertion that you are extremely foolish!

maybe the lads in jail with him will be able to get to the bottom of this:-)

Sean Quinn invested in a blue chip company. But when he was going to unwind his position, Anglo convinced him to extend his position. Anglo lent him the money to do this. After the fact Anglo got the Quinn children to sign undated personal guarantees. Anglo did not tell them what they were signing. Why would you sign a personal guarantee after you got the money. You are right Sean Quinn is not stupid. I would not sign it. Would you?

Sean Quinn even fooled his own wife into signing documents. What a man!

No Anglo fooled the Quinn’s into signing those documents wrong. You did’nt read my post properly Censored.

Sean Quinn didn’t get where he was by being a fool.

He got where he was by knowing exactly who he was dealing with.

And if it turns out that they did fool him, then it’s his own fault for not going through the documents properly.

Either way, It’s his own fault and he deserves everything that’s thrown at him.

Tom,you’ve turned from a hypocrit and defender of Sean Quinns ilegalities to a comedian in the space of 40 posts on this thread!
Your proving to have more personas than Quinn has russian properties! Amazing : )

So if you shout in court and you are done for contempt. What do you do? Do you know Micheal J Fox by any chance? If so you are o.k.

The distinction between civil contempt and criminal contempt explained: http://www.courts.ie/Judgments.nsf/597645521f07ac9a80256ef30048ca52/2F253804C50B95C580257AA100501A85?opendocument

@Tom

You’re just embarrassing yourself now, maybe it’s time to take a little break.

He’ll be incapable of it, I actually think he’s getting off on all the attention, because I honestly don’t believe even the most hardened Quinn supporter would make the efforts Tom is. His constant replies to everything have gone beyond embarrassing at this point, and his complete lack of knowledge about the actual facts lead me to believe that he’s just a complete troll. Time to cut off his oxygen I think and stop referencing and answering him.

Mark,

You still have not replied to my comments yesterday. You just post some generic dribble. With no point what so ever.

Eugene, I think its taken me a half an hour to get thru all these comments. I turned on the journal app almost as soon as the news started. I have to say, whilst I don’t know or have read his input before, I do believe Tom has a very valid viewpoint on this subject. Without a doubt there are two sides to every story. Without a doubt Sean Quinn broke the law in a monumental way. Without a doubt the list of people that should be jailed first seems to have been inverted.
The system by which we ‘do government’, ‘do business’, ‘do politics’, has been corrupted by vested interests. The dilution of regulatory independence is just one example. I suppose my point is that it has been fairly admirable the way Tom has stuck to his guns and I think he genuinely believes that Sean Quinn is someone who has reacted to the sort of business system that has developed in this country. It is no more blameworthy than if one of my two teenage kids went bad because I failed to foster in them a proper moral and ethical code. I am disappointed to see a man like Sean Quinn jailed because its allowing the real culprits breathing space.

Philip De C, the point here is that the gardai have a limited amount of resources to investigate all and sundry surrounding Anglo, on the other hand the IBRC pockets are deep and can afford big ticket private law firms who are only too happy to rack up fees through the process of hourly charging, and that is the difference.

@Philip de Courcy: You make some good points and Tom is of course entitled to his views, although he seems to be so blinded by his loyalty to Quinn that he shows no balance at all. In particular, Tom states as fact some points which are yet to be decided in the upcoming separate trial between Quinn and IBRC in relation to the loans to invest in CFDs in the shares of the old Anglo Irish Bank etc.

However, I really take issue with your final sentence. First, how does his jailing allow anyone else “breathing space”? Second, I don’t see how you can be disappointed that somebody is jailed for doing wrong, just because some others who may have done worse (in your subjective view) have not yet been punished. We can’t expect the courts to reach verdicts in order of seriousness. Some cases are more difficult than others and take longer to come to trial. In any case, Quinn’s relatively short term of imprisonment (only nine weeks) already reflects the judge’s best judgment on the seriousness of the issue, in this case contempt. I, for one, look forward to lengthier sentences for future convictions relating to the melt-down of the banking system and our economy, but this doesn’t mean that Quinn didn’t deserve everything he got today.

I think you find he has done anything asked off him by Anglo. He even said he would go to Russia if they wanted him to. With regards an indefinite order. She put an indefinite order on Sean Junior and every judge in the supreme court said this was illegal.

Well then that woman should sue the State, If that’s the case? But she may not have the money, that woman had to let them cut down her trees in the end to be left out of jail. We are all paying for his mess, no sympathy!

I don’t see how this is a punishment for Sean Quinn, he’ll get to live in a big house with loads of rooms, have his meals cooked for him, all his laundry done and someone will turn on and off the lights for him and tell him when morning has broken and it’s time to get up, just like a butler

Can you point one thing that he’s done Tom? (as opposed to claiming he WILL do it, sometime)

Do you really think he’s in jail because he’s a good citizen?

Censored,

Sean has consistently said that he does not have control of those assets. That he was double crossed. He has done everything asked. But if you don’t have control of the assets then you can’t do much.

And there we have it.

If I hand over my assets to my mate, then go to court and claim I have no assets – how far will I get?

Censored,

Sean was perfectly within his rights to change the ownership of assets! That is a fact. The court case was over the timing of these transfers. I thought you would know that by now.

That’s right. He’s in jail because …. ? loony tunes.

Because of the court disagrees over the timing. Censor I just said it in my last comment.

Perhaps the court jailed him over timing but he’s a deplorable crook and we all detest him because of the fact that he DID put the assets out of reach of the taxpayer.

And if you think the law should be based entirely on getting away with it if you find a loophole or technicality then the bankers should be free since they have found loopholes?

I doubt If the taxpayer will ever benefit from any money they manage to squeeze out of Quinn, Mr Dukes and his board will do.

Did everything asked of him Tom??

Does this sound familiar?:

“Mrs Justice Dunne ruled that Sean Quinn’s evidence was not credible. She said it was “impossible to accept the evidence of Sean Quinn Senior that he had no hand, act or part in Quinn business after April 2011″.

She described efforts to hide assets as complex, complicated and costly and said they were done in a blatant, dishonest and deceitful manner. “They have consciously misled courts here and elsewhere,”

Mrs Justice Dunne ruled that Sean Quinn’s evidence was not credible. She said it was “impossible to accept the evidence of Sean Quinn Senior that he had no hand, act or part in Quinn business after April 2011″.

She described efforts to hide assets as complex, complicated and costly and said they were done in a blatant, dishonest and deceitful manner. “They have consciously misled courts here and elsewhere,”

9 weeks really? This man should be in jail until us the taxpayers have paid off his debt.
@Tom, after reading many of your comments and dare I say “arguments” in favour of Mr. Quinn I have come to the conclusion that you are one of the most idiotic people ever to grace this world or you are a troll which in my eyes means the exact same thing. Finally to conclude I have one more statement baaaaaaaaaa

@Tom.. You are like a SQ clone.. Moving the goalposts of your arguement each time you get found out- eg ‘ he doesnt have control of his assets’…’he was well within his rights to transfer his assets’ tut

How am I moving the goal posts? You understand life does not stand still and events happen. Sean was perfectly within his rights to move assets before any court order. After assets were moved he lost control of those assets. It’s not that hard to understand really.

Dominick,
You seem to be letting your envy of Quinn hinder your eyesight. Anglo have revealed that they have spend 80 million euro so far, in their legal proceedings against Quinn. The times has revealed today that Anglo has been given Noonan’s consent to give a Russian company 155million euro IN THE HOPe that they will help them retrieve some of the foriegn assets. In the hope, no guarantees that anything will be retrieved. Anglo still have not proven to anyone that they have any hold on the assets/ So basically they are spending millions upon millions of tax-payers money to try to gain assets that they have no proof they have any hold on. And they are spending millions upon millions of tax-payers money in litigation against Quinn, in the hope that he will not go ahead with the big case. Now who’s greedy?? It’s right in front of us everyday and we’re not seeing it!

Maybe if you understood the employment situation in Cavan/Monaghan/Fermanagh/Leitrim you’d be better placed to judge these “he created jobs” comments.
No IDA investment in the region for over 30 years, lazy politicians who never had to even try get employment in as they looked at Quinn’s business and let him get on with it yet were self centered enough to mention Quinns jobs as a success story in the counties and try claim credit in every pre election leaflet and every lie filled speech.

He done more for the border counties than any failed administration ever did and dreamers like yourself wonder why the people here support him.

Paul, while I agree that more needs to be done, it is not quite as hopeless as you say. Legal proceedings were begun recently against Sean Fitzpatrick and another former Anglo-Irish executive. Unfortunately, our legislation is not fit for purpose and we may never see charges pressed for all of the wrongdoing. At least Shatter has said he will be shortly bringing forward much tougher legislation on white-collar crime.

Wild Rover,

You should get on to the DPP. I am guessing they will tell what I am telling you. You are talking out of your arse.

Wild Rover. You’ve been brainwashed.

Wild Rover,
Quinn never ever gauranteed any loan to Anglo with his foreign assets. Anglo have absolutely no hold on them. They are not entitled to them. Quinn has paid back the 455 million that is undisputed. (factories, insurance, hotels pubs etc etc). The foreign assets are his. Why wouldn’t he hide them from the real thieves….Anglo?

YF think you have me mistaken , Damian when your old enough to make sense give it a try then . Enjoy marching for these lot that the rest of the taxpayers will pick up the tab for their greed and wreckless behaviour .

I’m not mistaken. The foriegn assets were never ever used as a gaurantee for any loan that Quinn took out. The judge was ruling on the contempt of court case, Not the validity of the court orders given out…honestly.

The contempt case is a farce when you look into the entire facts of the case. Yes, he was proven to have breached court orders…..but how were Anglo ever able to take court orders out on assets that were never there’s through gaurantee or anything?

And today Anglo have revealed that they have spent 80million euro, of tax-payers money, on legal proceedings, alone, against Quinn. 80 million. The times has also revealed that Anglo are going to pay a Russian company 155million euro in the hope that they will help them retrieve some assets. There is no gaurantee that this company can retrieve anything. The payment is IN THE HOPE that they do. Noonan, seemingly has agreed to this. So Anglo are the big guys paying millions upon millions in the hope that they will gain assets that they have no hold on. The foreign assets were never used as gaurantees at any time on any loans given by Anglo to the Quinns. Why are they spending so much of our money in litigation against Quinn? They’re doing all this to try to shut him up. Bring on the case in April!

Yep, he simply broke the law of the land when he defied court orders not to involve himself in the business of a Russian company.

Not only did he still interfere – he (with help we can suspect) produced forged documents from said business to try getting more millions squirrelled away for his family to enjoy – and this too was after the orders upon him not to even interfere with the said business!

The rest of the companies (you know, made up of Irish people that needed such money just to survive) he and his family thought, could go get stuffed!

As the judge said: “In my view he has only himself to blame,”

Very true.

Biggins,
I love the way you call everyone who has a different view of Quinn than the Anglo-driven propaganda we’ve been drip-fed for months ‘sheep’. People who go with the flow, the majority, the common thought, are usually defined as the sheep. Not people who stand up against the common grain. As with a lot of you posts, you don’t seem to have any of you own individual thoughts. You, by all definitions are a (very repetitive ) SHEEP. I’m picturing the scene in ‘The Sixth Sense’ as I write this. It was time someone let you know…

@ Y.F.

So Y.F. – what your point?
You don’t like facts being repeatedly posted in reply to others that that trying to say Quinn did not break the law?
Anyone that posts that he didn’t break the law – must expect facts to be reposted to clarify where they are wrong.

Sorry if the reporting of facts upsets you.

The rest of your post is irrelevant laughable waffle.

My point is Biggins, that your interpretation of ‘sheep’ ( a word you seem to be as fascinated with as you are with Jim fitzpatrick), is a little bit twarted and I’m hearing a few animal noises coming from your second hand, regurgitated posts.

Dear @ Y.F.

By the way it seems the sheep of this nation is still churning out the wrong spiel that the man is innocent!
He’s in prison tonight for breaking the law – clearly breaking the law.
The sheep of this nation is still repeating over and over again that he didn’t. How stupid is that?

You say I am a sheep for repeating facts – I say the thick and blind are sheep for just swallowing Quinns lies and garbage and they just as much if not more, keep repeating the same rubbish (with very little facts ,,,surprise!) about how he’s innocent!

Amazing that many here can debate and post facts while others and only constantly repeat daftness and not back up their view equally with facts!

Who did YOU say was “sheep” again?

I personally suspect your Tom in another name – “Tom” seems to have gone very quiet” – and then you appear!

Biggins, Quinn has never told me anything. I’ve chosen to read everything with an open mind. I feel sorry for you in a way. I’m wasting no more time reading your boring insights. As for Tom leaving the journal…maybe, unlike yourself he/she has a bit of a life

@ Y.F.

Tom has a life?
If so, pity is a very short-sighted one!

Well said. Lets hope the nine weeks are but an aperitif before the main course to come…

Sean Quinn created thousands of jobs in the border regions when nobody else gave two f*cks about the place.

It’s sickening to see so many no hopers, who never created anything, dancing gleefully on the mans business grave.

The real thieves in this country reside in Dáil Eireann. But they tell us they’re “entitled” to it.

Typical Ireland. Rather than aspire to climb level with someone who made it from nothing the focus is dragging him back into the gutter with the rest of you.

That’s it. As you’re hitting the red thumb imagine your creating a job. Now if I get 700 red thumbs that 1 for every 10 jobs Quinn created. And Red thumbs are easy effortless things

Surely today’s events raise more questions that answers.
What makes you or anyone think IBRC are working on behalf of The Irish Taxpayer(Commonly known as a Governments best friend)?

What will it take for a people to see when they are being hoodwinked time and time again?
What about the Alphathugs past and present in the Dail who have arrogantly distracted and brainwashed an entire nation from the true ‘Real Financial Terrorists’ ?

Such is the Alphathugs success that if it wasn’t Quinn in their cross hairs.. it would be someone else..
A businessman’s money never stays still… hence the risk Quinn took in his own detrimental ‘ What could Possibly Go wrong Moment’.

#Scrap- just so you’re in no doubt. You’re stupid. Your argument is stupid. People who give a green thumbs up to your nonsense are stupid. And there is no excuse for falling for the Quinn PR machine. Did I mention that you are undoubtedly….stupid.

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Vincent, 4 times u use the word stupid. I can only assume its due to an over familiarity with the word? A childhood nickname perhaps? Maybe you just have a limited vocabulary. You’re not worth responding to anymore so stopping here

#Scrap. No harm to you. But the Amoeba that climbed out of the swamps of early Earth to lay the DNA foundations for mankind? They look down on you & your cohorts in terms of intellectual capacity. When the Q-tips meet resistance stop pushing!

May I Just Add: go on Dundalk!

Noel, there let is not Quinn. It is a government that took the debt of a private bank and gave it to the people of Ireland. that is a far far greater offence than anything Quinn has done. Nobody in the government or banking system is answering his case. I am afraid you have been duped by a state sponsored media campaign. It is long over due for the Quinn case to come before the people. Why has it taken so long for Seanie lad to face prosecution – and I doubt he will serve even one day behind bars. Why hasn’t the former financial regulator been aiken to task?

Sean Quinn gets 9 weeks for contempt of court in the same month as a man gets a 15k fine and no jail time for raping a teenager. I have nothing but contempt for the Irish judicial system

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2012/1018/1224325414489.html

@scrap croke park – Nobody is defending the banks or politicians on here.. 2 or even 3 wrongs do not make a right!!!
Drug growers create jobs too you know.. Does that mean they should be let away with the ilegal activity of selling them also!?? Also I remember you on here crowing about the scandalous nature of Mick Wallaces tax Affairs! What about the thousands of jobs that he created then???
Your comment is badly flawed and very hypocritical based on some of your previous posts!
Sad that you are so hood-winked by the Quinn sob story in truth!

Biggins,

You talk some about of nonsense. By the way Peter Quinn is not his son. I know you like copy and pasting so I am sure you can find an article that says that. You might even to be able to copy and paste some Jim Fitzpatrick. I know you love him.

@ Tom McManus

Carry on with your garbage.

Sorry if my pasting of a lot of the facts of the case against him upsets you.
I know from your various blind posts that you hate the truth to be posted about how he broke the law MANY times – with NO one forcing him to!

Sean Quinn himself, admits he has made mistakes. But how is he a criminal? That was a civil proceeding. So what criminal offence has he been convicted of. The level of evidence is alot less in a civil case compared to a criminal one. So sheep don’t believe he is a criminal. You are right, because he is not.

He betrayed his country, and is challenging the legitimacy of the Irish State. Is that a crime?

Censored,

You come out with some nonsense but that takes the biscuit. “He betrayed his country”. No the government betrayed this country! The government came up with the banking guarantee. Sean Quinn invested in a blue chip company.

The government, along with their buddies in the golden circle.

Dear Tom

He broke:

* Business laws,
* State laws
* Irish court orders.
* Banking laws.

The rest of us are really wasting our time because you just don’t want to acknowledge or see the truth!

Biggins,

He didn’t break banking laws. Anglo did. That is a major part of the case the Quinn family are taking. He was charged with contempt which is a civil matter.

YES Tom – HE DID break the law – REPEATEDLY and this has been acknowledge the world over!
…Well except for 5,000 blinkered sheep in Ireland!

The world media has listed many times about the laws he broke, bent, defied.

Be broke contempt LAWS
Got that?
He broke LAWS of contempt.
Got that yet?

I suspect you don’t want to Tom.
Carry on – your only fooling yourself. Sad!

Repetition, Repetition

Yes Tom…

Repetition of true facts.
Sorry you don’t like them.

O’ and by the way Tom – he DID break banking laws.

Its TOTALLY illegal to take out a loan from a very bank your trying to buy shares in – then use that same bank as collateral to purchase its very self – especially when you don’t own it yet and as such, don’t yet have right to those legal shares to offer as collateral!

DUH!!!

Go bone up on more real facts Tom – you seems to be short of a lot of them!

Biggins,

It is illegal for a financial institution to provide finance to purchase shares in itself. It is not illegal to take the money. Fact!

Tom..do you even know the form of exposure Quinn had to Anglo shares and thus why it was in HIS best interests to take the loan of 2.8bn from Anglo to purchase shares and thus inflate the market share price again!? Do you underatand this and the fact that his criminality started there as he willingly agreed to take part in an ilegal practice in order to manipulate the market!!! That is a criminal offence although you seem to think that white collar crime is not an offence!?
He also falsified documents in relation to his Russian portfolio..and what about the 1.4Billion defecit in the underwriting of insurance policies that he sold in the UK that we are now paying for everyday!?!!!? Do you want me to continue with the betrayals???

Tom you must be delusional if you believe the crap you are writing or you are one of the family members. Now Quinn was jailed for contempt for moving assets that now longer belonged to him , it was fraudulent conduct , he was done for contempt of an order to stop this action criminal proceedings could follow . No sleep tight .

Ridiculous, the people of the border regions are well entitled to call themselves Irish or would you prefer segregation – concerned border citizens?, concerned South Ulster/North Connacht citizens?

Your comment is as banal as the FB page – “give cavan back to the brits”.

Laura,

I think you should read the judgement again. Three of four judges said it was legal for Sean jnr to be sentenced to three months. One judge said he should not have been sentences at all. But regards the indefinite sentence. All four judges said this was illegal. That is why Sean jnr is released.

Sorry forgot to add, you serf! I am guessing it is an insult. I have no idea what it means but. Maybe you picked the insult wrong the way you did the judgement?

“However, the court also found that the imposition of an indefinite sentence on foot of coercive orders could not stand due to procedural defects.”

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1024/sean-quinn-junior-court-appeal.html

A procedural defect Tom, is not the same as “illegal”. What else did you leave out, let’s see. The supreme court found that:
* the contempt was outrageous
* the sentence was amply justified
* Junior was knowingly engaged in the patently unlawful activity of interfering with the secured assets of the Quinn group of companies
* Junior was party to a 500k payment from a Quinn company

@ Tom Mc Manus What is your problem? Are you related to the Quinn’s or something? Listen all them red thumbs your getting are a sign that people in Ireland don’t believe your bulls#%t, the same way they don’t believe the Quinn’s bull. Your ridiculous March in cavan failed so you and your sheep should drop defending this fool, he was caught red handed.

What is my problem? My problem is the way the Quinn’s have been treated. My problem is that Anglo have got a scapegoat in the Quinn’s. My problem is that the government of the time signed a banking guarantee and have not answered for that. My problem is that Anglo got the Quinn’s to sign documents that they did not know what they were.

FYI, Serfs formed the lowest social class of feudal society. Lauren’s reference to you as a serf is actually very clever. The blind allegiance to Quinn, lord of the manor in Cavan, by the people of Cavan is symbolic of serfdom. He gives them jobs, land and protection and they in return work as slaves and do all that he bids. the Lord of the Manor and his serfs were bound legally, economically, and socially in the Middle Ages. Nought has changed much therefore up in the parallel universe of Cavan where 5,000 people refuse point blank to accept the truth and to see the quinn’s for what they truly are….. Ruthless gamblers who got caught out!!!

FYI, Serfs formed the lowest social class of feudal society. Lauren’s reference to you as a serf is actually very clever. The blind allegiance to Quinn, lord of the manor in Cavan, by the people of Cavan is symbolic of serfdom. He gives them jobs, land and protection and they in return work as slaves and do all that he bids. the Lord of the Manor and his serfs were bound legally, economically, and socially in the Middle Ages. Nought has changed much therefore up in the parallel universe of Cavan where 5,000 people refuse point blank to accept the truth and to see the quinn’s for what they truly are….. Ruthless gamblers who got caught out!!!

@ Jane Beautifully done. Thank you!

Hmmmm, the rest of my comment has been removed. I wonder why?

Well said Vincent! Couldn’t agree more

Hopefully

@ Markus, my pleasure

hope so Claire!

I suppose they may disband the FG jolly boys outings to Quinns too, y’know the sojourns they used to make to him seeking donations and support in elections?

You’re dead right. Sojourns to Russia just wouldn’t be appropriate…

You should ask the government why they put the levy on insurance, I’m pretty damn confident that Quinns never suggested it, while your at it ask them why they decided to interfere in a viable tax paying company already committed to paying back it’s debt yet deemed it necessary to keep Anglo on life support…..ask them how much this life support will cost you, your children, your grand children and their grandchildren.

I can’t believe that so far Anglo has spent 80 million euro in legal preceedings alone, against Quinn and today they have revealed that they are to give a Russian company 155million euro IN THE HOPE that they will help them retrieve some assets. And Noonan has approved this. What is going on????????

You’re absolutely right. But if he feels like the criminal he is for just one minute while he’s in there it will have been worth the exercise…

And as the richest man in ireland surely he could afford the best legal team to advise him!

Damien,
Quinn has never lost his dignity. He is taking on the big guys and going up against government and bank. This is unheard of. Quinn has the liathróidi that Anglo could only ever dream of having. He is in jail today because Anglo want him out of the way. They are distracting the nation with pretenses, and tax-payer friendly guises, to hide their own misdemeanors. They have gotten their way for now, but Quinn will win in the end, and the dominoes will fall.

phillywood,
IBRC have everything they want already. Don’t be fooled. They have their massive wages. They got to change their name so no-one would recognise that they are Anglo with a new hat on. They got to work under the guise or trying to retrieve assets ‘for the tax-payer’, when they didn’t give a damn about the tax-payer when quinn’s plan to repay all of the debt (disputed and undisputed) back. They were nationalised and got the perfect scapegoat in Quinn. They are lining their pockets like there’s no tomorrow. They have ruined Quinn’s name before the case he brings against them goes to court. They have jailed him now, before the case. They are unstoppable.And most of all, they have the heat taken off them for a while…..they have all the want in Quinn. Like flies around you know what..

Their time will come.

She won’t have time for prison visits, what with her having 91 companies to manage.

Nigel I need amusing, what law did James Reilly break to earn him time in prison? I can’t wait for an answer to this one.

You have a crystal ball? I don’t think people take pleasure in Quinn’s demise. I think people are angry that he seems to thinks he’s above the law. There’s a big difference.

It must be hard for him to take, but its entirely his own fault.

@mattoid Entirely his own fault? Thats right we’ll forget about the bank that cooked the books, the government who bailed them out and the regulator who looked over them. Ah yeah its his own fault for not toeing their line!

John – none of that has anything to do with why he’s in jail tonight.

And what has the government bailout and regulator failings got to do with the Quinn case in any shape or form??

Actually as he broke the law – he is now both!

Emmet, Fitzpatrick is also being pursued in the courts, even if the time it has taken to come to court is excessive. As for your first comment, it makes no sense actually. Lots of businessmen all over the world are criminals – they are not mutually exclusive. That’s not to say that Quinn is a criminal, as he has not yet been convicted of any crime.

What on earth does going to a rugby school have to do with any of this?

Most Irish people know their country well enough to know that there are elitists everywhere, in all walks of life and in all sports, and that Sean Quinn is not some simpleton, and was certainly not short of money to hire good lawyers and financial advisers when he made the bad investments which triggered all of this. If he didn’t, then he’s got nobody to blame but himself.

i think enda played as a tight head prop in his school days…. could be mistaken though

I totally agree it’s a bloody disgrace what’s going on. I don’t think I ll sleep tonight I’m raging that much

Here here. Well said. Pity the civil chip carrying servants can’t think like that!!!

So true,they putting the wrong people in jail…

Lobotomised?

Clown

The Quinns were ordered by the court not to mess about with those assets until it could be determined whether Anglo were entitled to them. They didn’t have to hand them over, just not mess about with them.

But they didn’t think the rules should apply to them. And they still don’t.

Alex, I understand what you are saying. The court has said that they moved the assets after the orders from court were given….and that is what they are being punished for. However, at no stage did any of the Quinn family ever use any if the foreign assets as gaurantees on any loans. They owe Anglo 455 million, and that sum has most certainly been retrieved two or three-fold. (factories, hotels, pubs, insurance etc). The remaining is hugely in dispute. Quinn moved them, which the court says he shouldn’t have, but I, for one would trust Quinn with the assets a lot more that I would trust Anglo with them. Anglo have shown us how they handle things…..I agree with the courts (of course), but I also agree totally with Quinn’s actions and can empathise with them. If it was mine, I’d have done the same

Oh please give us a break. Even if some have welcomed Quinn’s imprisonment in overexcited terms, this probably reflects more on his outstanding arrogance and attempts to squirrel away money that belongs to us the taxpayers, the ultimate owners of IBRC. You are the one being suckered by Quinn and his beal bocht.

What are you on about? This is a very good advertisement for Ireland. It shows that no man is above the law, that the rule of law still functions in Ireland, and that white collar crime is finally being taken seriously. Companies that respect the law – and the majority do – have absolutely nothing to fear from this, and lots to celebrate.

Well said Kevin. It looks like we are putty in our government’s/ Anglo’s hands. Too full of jealousy, and too quick to believe what we’re told in the media…He who gets too big, take him down! Sad but true

I think the thumbs speak for themselves.

The media HAS ruined this country, by brainwashing the irish people into negative thinking. We are quick to judge people on their faults even if they have done a lot of good. The media are just a bunch of hypocrites!

The powers that be, Drag things out and cover their tracks and the Taxpayer will always pay If we don’t bring in change!

I could’nt agree more. Sean Quinn is a scapegoat. Instead of bringing any of the politicans to justice, Sean Quinn has been thrown to the lions. How are their no minutes of the meeting where the bank guarantee was decided? Why are there no bankers in prision?

The reason that there is no banker or politician in custody is down to a thing called due process. There are cases pending before the courts, their day will come.

With regards politicans, what case is pending. How can all the minutes of that meeting go missing? It’s weird that. It’s as if they destroyed the minutes, but the government would never do that.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-19063419

The reason Sean Quinn, his son and nephew, are guilty of contempt is because they took actions to interfere with the business and shift assets after Anglo had taken control last April and in breach of specific court injunctions obtained in June.

These actions include Sean Quinn falsifying documents in July (three months after he was ousted) to take control of a Moscow office block worth 180m euros and put it into an offshore company in Belize.

He falsified the documents to make it look like it was done while he was still in charge, but in fact he was a bogus director using fake documents to move very real and valuable assets beyond the reach of the taxpayer-owned bank.

Far from going to court and owning up to this course of action, as Sean Quinn has recently suggested he did, he denied all this in court.

He merely admitted taking steps to frustrate the bank while he was still in charge of the company. The judge didn’t believe him.

Biggins,

You understand that these are comments on an article. It is not a place you copy and paste articles on a completely different thread to the other comments.

You understand Tom that be it comments or not – its the BBC site is listing the very facts of the case.
BBC websites DO NOT list anything on them unless it verified and checked for legal reasons alone.

All thats explained on the BBC link is true and factual.

PLEASE SHOW WHERE THE BBC HAS LIED!
(I expect you to avoid answering the above!)

Biggins,

If I wanted to read BBC. Guess what I would go on the bbc site. You don’t seem to get it. To through a load of data at someone as a response is not smart. To respond with thought out information is. I think you should learn the difference between data and information.

Actually Tom – you can’t even get your facts right here!
The BBC section link to was written by By Jim Fitzpatrick – BBC NI economics and business editor.
So NO, they are NOT just comments!

Go bone up on the actual facts AGAIN!!!

So there we go folks – Tom is avoiding saying where the BBC has lied.
He cannot argue with the facts as laid out by the BBC (and many other world media outlets to be honest).
Tom can produce nothing to counter the facts of the case.

NOTHING!

Tom just continues to try answering my request of him to show where the BBC has lied.

Please show us Tom because Quinn solicitors would love to hear your evidence.
Evidence they couldn’t even bring into court!

Tom must be very clever – he must know something about this case that Quinns own lawyers don’t know!
Amazing he won’t share this wonderful evidence with them never mind us!

PLEASE SHOW US WHERE THE BBC HAS POSTED LIES TOM!

Correction:

Tom just continues NOT to try answering my request of him to show where the BBC has lied.

he just avoids answering the parts he can’t refute and goes off on a deliberate tangent to try avoiding the truth!

Biggins,

I compare you to someone in the bottom class in secondary school. They will quote stuff to act as if they are smart. It does not fool anyone. You post an article on someones opinion. So what.

So Tom… your not going to show where the BBC site has lied then?
Your going to continue trying to change the subject?

Yes, we can all see this.

Quinn broke the law – he’s in prison now because of his VERY OWN actions.
He defied court legal orders.
He broke the law.
Its sad you cannot still understand that part.

By the way Tom…

PLEASE SHOW US WHERE THE BBC HAS POSTED LIES TOM!

Totally agree

Biggins, Tom won’t be able to point out the lies, (which we all know aren’t there anyway), cause as he admitted himself, he is incapable of digesting two paragraphs at a time. Quinns supporters believe that you can’t attack Sean AND the bankers currently in the Legal process at the same time. They think that they are mutually exclusive events, and refuse to believe their Lord has ever done any wrong.

Quinn isn’t in jail tonight because of his illegal robbery or practices within his insurance company, or because of his underhanded schemes to buy out the bank, or even his siphoning schemes. He’s dining with his crooked brethren because he continued his arrogance to the people and courts of this land. He’s a bully who has been stood up to, and personally I hope he chokes on whatever dinner taxpayers are paying out on for him tonite.

I couldn’t agree more Mark.

Mark,

I replied to you yesterday but you choose to ignore it. Because you did not have an answer.

Tom – the bank guarantee was decided after a flurry of late night phone calls and a meeting round a kitchen table in panic mode. Do you really expect minutes to have been kept?

Do I think minutes were taken when the cabinet were informed that they could be getting a phone call later in the night. That merrill lynch were at the meeting and were obviously informed that the meeting was happening. And that there are reports that there were minutes but they have been misplaced. I think that is the biggest indication that there would have been minutes.

Tom – ah here leave it out. If you believe high jinks were afoot on behalf of Anglo etc and yer man was hoodwinked that’s fine and you believe that there’s hidden agendas that’s fine too; those are theories, so in future comments you need to state: this is my theory and then come out with your hairbrained comments.

“GiveCavanBackToTheBrits”

The level of stupidity behind that title exposes a low level of intellect alone!

I agree Biggins. But that is an anti Quinn facebook page. But you are dead right. The intellect of it, leaves alot to be desired.

The man has got the treatment he deserves. There’s an old saying that no man is above the law. Doesn’t matter how many jobs he may have created (most of which have survived and continue under the companies’ new management, in spite of reckless management of the companies by Quinn)

Baaaa baaaaa

There you go Biggins. That is a response from yourself, not a quote. As intellectual as I expected.

Well maybe if he didn’t make a mockery of the legal system and didn’t act like he had no idea of what was going on them maybe people would have some sympathy for him.

If he is so innocent that why did the Quinn family decide to put their assets out of reach of everyone?

They took a gamble, they lost and now don’t want to pay the price.

Like it or not, they have to follow the law like everyone else.

And while the bank may be corrupt, he was brought down by his own actions aswell, so don’t act like they were all innocent. They admitted they made mistakes and should be held accountable for those mistakes.

@Sean, if someone doesn’t pay a TV licence or is caught shoplifting food they can spend time in prison. So why do you think it is wrong for the people of Ireland to dislike this man. He might have worked hard setting up his business but why move all his assets out of the country and leave the burden on the taxpayer to clean up his mess? that levi he left behind for us is a pain! People are sick to death with these tycoons destroying our future for the gain, f%#k fitzpatick, f#%k richie rich from BOI, f#%k bertie etc etc etc.

At least Tom THIS time you can recognise a quote – pity you couldn’t do it above isn’t it?

So let’s just say I:
- borrowed millions
- set up a company that took customer’s money and didn’t provide that service (oh, I don’t know – an insurance company with no liquidity?)
- cos I’d taken that money as my own money
- and then took an outrageously risky gamble with my customers’ money
- got caught out and lost all that cash and then some
- leaving the average people across the country to pay for my gombeen stupidity
- and then took what assets were left and put them out of reach of those desperate taxpayers
Would I be a local hero just cos I had employedvpeople doing bullsh*t jobs like answering the phone in my fake insurance company? I guess some people think so…

Well said Gerard!

Legal system far from corrupt Sir. Read Ms Justice Dunne. He is jailed for contempt.

Here here

@Sean Fitzgerald: How can you be so blinded by the facts? Sure, the country would be less broke if the banks had not played russian roulette. But Sean Quinn also played russian roulette with money that wasn’t really his. And millions of people in this country will pay the price for years to come, through higher insurance premiums, not to mention the higher losses that IBRC (i.e. the taxpayer) will likely suffer because they can’t recover all of the money owed to them by Quinn. We are not begrudgers, because we are all directly affected by that man’s personal greed.

But it is heartening to see that the vast majority of people commenting and giving thumbs up and down on this site seem have a better grasp of reality than you.

Quinns recklessness in running Quinn insurance is why we are ALL paying extra on our insurance and will be for a long time.
If as you say he did nothing wrong then why did he apologise to the Irish people?

I don’t think so. I might be wrong.

Yes comments are disabled if you can read this something is seriously wrong, smash whatever device you used to post/read comments and seek medical attention immediately

I’m unable to comment for some reason…

Yes, the banks forced him with a gun to his head to break the law before they even got involved with them!
Yes, the banks with a gun to his head, made him asset-strip.
Yes, the banks made up forged documents that would award he and his family millions!

Amazing banks eh?

Im sick of hearing he gave alot of people work he didnt do it out of charity he did it to make a profit.
I suppose we will have to put up with civil unrest now

Because of his reckless actions, he also eventually caused a lot of equal unemployment later too – but shush – the sheep don’t wish that to be mentioned!

Biggins,

You are saying he will create equal unemployment. You really are not that smart. The border region has very little employment. The IDA has a net loss in creating jobs in Cavan over the last ten years. The only employment was the Quinn Group. The infrastructure is still there. But there will be no investment. So again you didn’t quote. But you show how little intellect you have.

Dear Tom,

Get your facts right AGAIN!
I did NOT say “he will create equal unemployment” – I stated he has already caused unemployment by his reckless actions.

We are still waiting for you to say where the BBC news site has lied!

@ Tom

You say I’m “not that smart.”
I’m smart enough to actually be able to read whats in in front of me.
Try it some time!

You said he caused a lot of equal unemployment. What are you on about? He is the only one that created employment. Read my last post.

Quote from Tom: “He is the only one that created employment.”

Are you for real?

1. He created (along with many others still alive in Ireland) some employment.
2. He caused because of his actions, later more UNemployment.

Now when are you going to stop being a coward and reply to the following:

PLEASE SHOW US WHERE THE BBC HAS POSTED LIES TOM!

That’s not fair to say at all. Most business people, including entrepreneurs, respect the law, and, perhaps more importantly, know when it’s time to put your hands up and admit your mistakes, pay the price and then get on with life. It’s not for naught that so many developers have admitted defeat and declared bankruptcy in the UK and elsewhere, hoping they can pick themselves up after the compulsory period of bankruptcy has passed.