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State to pay €50 million in legal fees for religious orders

The payouts arise from the work of the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse, which was set up in 2000 and published the Ryan Report in 2009.

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THE STATE WILL pay up to another €35 million to religious orders for their legal costs arising from the activities of the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse.

The Commission, which was set up in 2000, has been investigating allegations of abuse at institutions dating back to around 1940 to determine the extent and perpetrators of abuse. The bill payments were agreed at the time it was set up.

The investigations led to the publication of the Ryan Report two years ago, which found that sexual and physical abuse was ‘endemic’ in institutions run by the Catholic Church in Ireland.

The Commission posted a notice online last month calling on all relevant parties to sent their legal fee submissions by 28 October. It also says it wrote to all the solicitors on record with the Commission to notify them of the deadline, which it says is being imposed so that it can “facilitate the timely completion of its work” and plan for any outstanding liabilities.

The next state payments follow €22 million it has already contributed towards the legal bill of third parties, most of which were religious orders, Carl O’Brien and Patsy McGarry report in the Irish Times.

Vatican relations

The government has renewed its criticism of the Vatican’s stance on child abuse allegations in Ireland, following the release of the Cloyne Report and Taoiseach Enda Kenny’s subsequent comments criticising church leaders for failing to investigation the claims.

The Vatican responded by saying that it was “sorry and ashamed for the terrible sufferings” of the victims of abuse and their families. It said Kenny’s claims were “unfounded” and rejected accusations that it had diminished the document’s impact or hampered the inquiry.

Yesterday, the government reaffirmed its position that the Vatican failed to cooperate full with the inquiry into abuse allegations in the Cloyne Diocese.

Speaking earlier today on Morning Ireland, Minister for Justice Alan Shatter said that the Vatican had frustrated inquiries into child abuse by failing to provide information.

Read: Government’s views on Vatican and Cloyne Report unchanged >

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Comments (34 Comments)

  • What a country. The Priests screw the children and the lawyers screw the State. Why not send an invoice to the Vatican Bank?

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    • The lawyers have hardly screwed the State. Fianna Fails government screwed the state. Why should the people of Ireland pay the Vatican’s legal fees. But that is what Ahern and Cowen agreed. Should the lawyers work for free? Of course not.

      The government screwed the country. Not the lawyers.

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  • Pity the legal or medical profession didnt speak up years ago about the abuse and bring a few cases to court.
    Oops, sorry forgot we were talking about the legal profession, most victims wouldnt have had enough filthy lucre to entice a solicitor to uphold the law. But when the legal profession saw that the state was involved it means a huge payout for them and all of a sudden they suddenly saw the need for peoples rights to be uphelf

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    • Frederic Bastiat:
      The state tends to expand in proportion to its means of existence and to live beyond its means, and these are, in the last analysis, nothing but the substance of the people. Woe to the people that cannot limit the sphere of action of the state! Freedom, private enterprise, wealth, happiness, independence, personal dignity, all vanish.

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  • Holy Shite, have we lost our marbles or what, paying the church to defend itself for raping and murdering children in their care……. I thought that the Family Courts were the most corrupt are of law and Now this…. UNBELIEVABLE… We need to sieze all their assets to make them pay for their sins NOT TO PAY THEIR WAY

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  • Could we discover how much the government has paid to the legal profession over the past 5 years? Can the state afford to pay this? The religious communities have not paid their agreed share of the victims compensation. Surely the state should hold off payment of their legal costs until they do.

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    • No the state can’t continue to pay out legal fees on this scale.The OECD pointed this out several times to the previous government in terms of its impact on business and competitiveness. The various tribunals’ bills are eating up a sizeable proportion of the bailout. Ask yourself how many taxpayers are comfortable paying barristers one million euro annually for state sponsored briefs? The government could create dozens if not hundreds of jobs for legal types by simply directly employing them on salaries. A few months back a EU survey ranked several Irish law firms among the most profitable in Europe. This in a country chained to the IMF. Minister Alan Shatter recently queried how the legal aid budget had managed to spiral upwards even as the government was cutting legal costs. There is a lot of guff about technology being the future for our young people but the fact is that the bulk of state sponsored get-rich-quick incentives direct them towards law. Change the incentives, if a successful tech economy is desired.

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    • And how would that help things Terry? That’s not a punishment for the religious orders. That’s punishing the barristers/solicitors who represented them. They are not one and the same people.

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  • It gives me a warm feeling inside to know that our government is protecting our pedophiles wealth, just because The Catholic Church is one of the biggest financial power, wealth accumulator and property owners in existence, it shouldn’t be expected to pick up it’s own legal fees because a couple of generations of children were raped and abused and had there childhood stolen! And I thought humanity had died

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  • The Vatican should be made sell off assets and pay this bill themselves, it’s such a farce, the biggest and most powerful state body for generations abuse children on a mega scale, enable it to carry on by covering it up, and moving these bastards from parish to parish, and now the state bail them out by paying their legal fees, what message is this giving to the victims and their families. The pope is head of the catholic church the book stops with him,. send him the invoice!

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    • Saying the Pope, whose track record in exposing clerical ephebophilia is beyond reproach (for those who care to know the truth), is responsible is like saying Enda Kenny is responsible for an Irish citizen murdering someone on holiday in Spain. Preposterous suggestion. Anyway, who can ‘make’ the Vatican do anything? If no other nation on the planet has taken the Vatican to task (because it would be utterly illogical and stupid) then there’s no way banana republic of Ireland will succeed. It would just make itself more of a laughing stock than it already is.

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  • No, No, No, No, Noooooooooooooooo….what else can one say?

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  • Waffler 09/09/11 #

    disgusting, every church in the country should be seized by the government like the premises of any other business would. to think that even 1 cent of my tax money could be aiding these perverts makes me sick.

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    • As a Catholic who puts a few pennies on the plate each Sunday it makes me sick to think that my money would be used to pay an ephebophiles bill/compensation owed when he should be paying it out himself. And then my tax on top of that too.

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  • I really have to stop reading the news…….

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  • Wrong, wrong… so very wrong. It’s a pity we can’t send in CAB. Make the vatican sell some of its art and gold or just raid their bank accounts.

    This is like saying to the abusers, it’s ok, you didn’t do anything wrong. Then turning around to the abused and saying, ‘it’s your fault’!

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  • EM 09/09/11 #

    Send the bill to:
    His Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI PP.
    00120 Via del Pellegrino
    Citta del Vaticano
    Italia

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  • If bank accounts of known criminal and terrorist organisations can be frozen and seized why can’t the Vaticans bank accounts held in Irish banks if there are any be seized?

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  • k burns 09/09/11 #

    Why have the commission, in the 1st place, let the Gardai do there job and send all involved to prison, the priests that abused and the bishops that shielded them.

    this is getting pathetic, the government doesnt has the balls to go after those involved in the abuse and the ensuing cover up via the legal system. So what do we get, another commission that the government can spin to make themselves look like they are doing something but by the endgame is a piece of paper with recommendations and opinions. The only people to benefit are the lawyers involved

    enough of the government using this to crank there popularity amongst the public, get the cops after the guilty priests and bishops and get this SORTED. No more commissions and no more theater.

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  • This news story is a prime example of what went wrong and what continues to be wrong in this country. Yet nothing changes. We moan and complain to Joe Duffy and twitter and the journal and elect a new government. But yet nothing really changes. Only in Ireland could we read the Vatican the riot act and yet pay their legal bill. It would be comical were it not for the tragedy before it.

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  • Disgusting – absolutely disgusting. Rome should be paying.

    How many wards and operations would 50 million pay for in Crumlins Childrens Hospital! Disgraceful. Once again the religion crap in this country get away with coughing up and paying for their crimes.

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  • €57million in legal fees paid mostly to the religious orders whose members committed most of the crimes? WHY is the government ie YOUR TAXES paying for the legal costs of the perpetrators? Only in Ireland! This would not happen in any other country on the planet. It’s absurd, they (the orders) should have to pay their own legal costs, None of this would be happening if the filthy brutal thugs who were in these orders had not committed the vile crimes they did. This is an insult to every decent man, woman and child in the country, that their taxes are now being used to defend the pedophiles and abusers and to pay for the delaying tactics employed by the catholic church and the various orders by means of the legal system. The legal firms are raking it in whilst the victims are once again being screwed and this time the whole country is being screwed by these so called religious orders. Once again the former Fianna Fail govt. have left the Irish tax payer with yet another bill, Bertie Ahern was in charge when this agreement to pay the orders legal costs was agreed, seeing as he is so keen to publicise himself these last couple of weeks can we pleas have some answers from him as to why his govt. agreed to this ludicrous arangement which is now costing the Irish taxpayer so much in a time when the country is broke!

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  • W H Y ????????????????????????????????????

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  • Because few Catholics get to be ordained a priest, as I was, they can’t know the half of their church’s problems, as I show at a site that anyone can find by Googling “JesusWouldBeFurious” (one word)

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  • Good, we need to look after our priests. They deserve at least this plus compensation

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