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Updated 5.30pm
GERMANY’S ANTI-MIGRANT populists AfD recorded strong gains at state elections today, unseating Chancellor Angela Merkel’s party from second place, exit polls showed.
Alternative for Germany (AfD), which campaigned heavily against Merkel’s liberal refugee policy, scored around 21% in their first bid for seats in the regional parliament of Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania.
The CDU garnered around 19 percent of the votes, its worst showing ever in the north-eastern state, while the Social Democrats maintained top place with around 30%.
- © AFP 2016.
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This is a natural reaction of a people abandoned and betrayed by their own leaders who are allegedly supposed to look out for the best interests of Germans first. Merkel has clearly failed in that brief with regard to the mass Islamic invasion.
She has just recently expressed some regret for it. Some billed it as an admission she made a mistake but it doesn’t quite go that far. Her regret is proportionate to her impending electoral losses.
@Jayo, Adolf Hitler and his followers would have turned in their graves at Merkel’s invite to the Muslim refugees.
Denito we should fund safe zones and refugees camps within the region. They should not be allowed permanent relocation to Europe en masse. Some of the scenes as the march through Europe look more like the march of an organised, invading force.
German average age is 50+. They need people.
Civil war tends to exacerbate depopulation though Des. And that’s exactly where Germany is heading.
Constantly shouting down well-founded worries as racist has only played into the Far Rights’ hands.
It’s also made the Left look extremely naive from a security and cultural point of view given recent events in France, Belgium and Germany.
What Merkel has failed to realize is that her recent decision to welcome the worlds’ refugees and migrants into Germany has created a deep groundswell of opinion that regards her as selling out the German nation for an internationalist cultural ideal.
des s……there are many countries in the EU with high unemployment rates, especially young unemployed…….like in Spain, Greece, Portugal…even Ireland. Why not offer jobs in Germany to people of other EU countries that have a similar ideology and belief system….that way they help each other.
But….of course……that won’t drive down wages…..will it?
@denito. I really hope that’s satire…
Nothing unifies a people faster than fear and hate. Fascist dictators can understand that.
Michael is projecting.
Exactly!!!!
Blueshirts, Blackshirts and Brownshirts all share in the allure of fascism.
Yes Europeans from Spain,Portugal,Italy etc … Merkel’s policy was madness from the start. Why are all the migrants heading to Norway? Maybe because it’s the richest country in the world with well invested oil wealth . http://www.lrb.co.uk/2015/09/09/slavoj-zizek/the-non-existence-of-norway
And upsetting Adolf the idiot is obviously a bad thing?
@Bobby Fox
And only 5 million people. A little ‘Baby Jihad’ after a ‘Hijrah’-( Sacred Migration to Conquer New Lands for Islam) and it’s all over for the Norwegians.
it could be argued that there was no war in ethiopia during that famine and those people were weak, but how come many of these migrants are ferried from even just 15kms out to italy by our own navy and others yet couldn’t evacuate starving people but then they set up UN camps? They’re is surely enough ground in a safe zone there to shelter these refugees or would it be the fact germany and their ilk need an able labour force not a starving one? Doesnt make sense. More to it than saving people. A lot more to it. This is all very much like coercive engineered crap >
http://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu/book/?GCOI=80140100627270
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This right here is why this is happening. Germans are one of the most tolerant and liberal bunch of people on earth but they have their limits.
“There has been a rise in sexual assaults at swimming pools in Germany committed by migrants, according to a leaked German police report.
Police in Dusseldorf met to discuss how to deal with the issue.
The internal report states: ‘(We) can confirm a surge in sex crimes at these establishments.
‘In particular rape and the sexual abuse of children in bathing establishments have given us grave cause for concern.
‘The perpetrators are, for the most part, immigrants.’
Liberals and the left at best respond with this nonsense:
“After it was published, refugee advocates called for calm, saying they were making sure all young migrant men were educated about German culture and the rights of women and children.”
While the far left holds violent protests in Berlin against the mere idea that migrants should be expected to integrate into German society.
Like the Swedes, the most liberal and generous of German people can only take so much. The open borders are slowly converting left wing liberals in to right wing racists. Simply human nature.
“In the most notorious, an Iraqi migrant raped a 10-year-old boy at a swimming pool changing room in Austria last December, telling police it was a ‘medical emergency’ as his wife was still in Iraq and he had not had sex in four months.” This is the warped mentality Angela has thrown the doors open to.
Roman Catholic Priests in Ireland have also engaged in child rape.
You have any bases to that claim Ciaran besides racism?
In fairness, the predator Roman Catholic priest confine and have confined their evil depredations to children. I would not trust a Roman Catholic priest on his own with children. Fortunately, we now have protocols to prevent that happening.
I don’t think that there is any evidential basis for concluding that a Muslim man is more likely to offend than a Western Christian.
Kerry, have you read the Dusseldorf police report I linked to? How do you explain the reaction of the refugee advocates that they intend to educate migrant men about ‘German culture and the rights of women and children’? Why should such education be necessary?
@Kerry
Why don’t you read about the Cologne sex attack that took place last New Year’s Eve?
A few incidents are not a basis for drawing general adverse conclusions. Prejudice is making false and unfair generalisations from insufficient particulars.
We have a significant problem with rape and sexual assault in Ireland but it would be unsound to conclude from this that Irish men are more likely to be rapists than men of other nationalities.
Michael- “A few incidents”, now I know you don’t pay attention.
And we don’t have a significant problem with rape and sexual assault, in fact we compare favourably with many 1st world countries in this regard.
It’s not as if boy-rape is a cultural institution indulged in several Muslim countries or anything! GTFO of your echo chamber.
Of course Germany and Berlin were some of the most tolerant places in the 1920s with its gay bars and transvestite clubs.Then came the 1930s and the economic downturn following the 1929 crash, already ravaged by WWI and the reparations.Our good friends on the right blamed, the Jews, gays and foreigners for all Germany’s ills.The gay and transvestite bars closed, the detention camps opened and from 1938 to 1945 is well documented history.I can only hope AFD have as good a grasp on history as the rest of us, but coming to powers on an anti immigrant platform brings a sense of deja vous.
So racism basically your just as bad as the other set of loons.
@Charles Williams
Jews and homosexuals in Europe are under threat from mass immigration of Muslims.
By the way, Alternative für Deutschland, as the man in the Ronseal ad would say, does exactly what it says on the tin.
Charles, it’s not the 1930′s and this has nothing to do with economics:
“50-year-old Yasmine and 37-year-old Elisa were accosted in Dortmand, Germany by migrants who allegedly verbally abused them in Arabic before physically assaulting them. The migrants said “such people” should be killed, and grabbed the women’s breasts and pulled their hair before police got involved.
“Within seconds they were pushing us around. It was only then that I realised what they were saying: ‘You sluts need to be stoned!’” Elisa told Sat1 television on Saturday evening.
“And that’s what they did. They grabbed gravel from the ground and threw it at us.”
“Before that they tried to hit on us. For them, that’s OK. But when they realised we were transgender, they felt their honour was hurt. That’s why they snapped.”
Fortunately the incident was seen by a passing police patrol.
“Our colleagues noticed the affray and stepped in immediately. The north African offenders aged 16 to 18 were arrested,” chief inspector Kim-Ben Freigang told Bild newspaper.
The incident took place last Monday in central Dortmund, close to the train station.”
https://www.queerty.com/two-trans-women-stoned-by-migrants-in-germany-20160119
Kerry, I notice you haven’t answered the questions I asked. The habit of failing to answer such questions while continuing to shout racism has devalued the entire concept of anti-racism. The resulting backlash will most likely be a swing towards people taking pride in being actually racist.
Micheal OLainn-No ‘evidential basis’ as you know very well evidence is almost impossible to get and those who do try usually get beaten up or much,much worse. You are deliberately trying to decieve the readers here Micheal OLainn!
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—”ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — The accounts are disturbing: beatings, rape and imprisonment with shackles and leg irons. Abuse accusations from hundreds of children sent to study at Islamic schools are prompting growing calls from parents and rights groups for a full-scale investigation.
But officials have moved slowly and cautiously in looking into the charges of mistreatment in Koranic schools, or madrasas — pointing to a paradox across much of the Muslim world: It’s often easier to tackle Islamic militants than to confront the cultural taboo on publicly airing alleged sex crimes and challenging influential clerics.—”
http://articles.latimes.com/2005/oct/09/news/adfg-abuse9
There are a number of contradictory issues here, yes we have a history of horrific abuse in this country, primarily carried out by those in the Catholic Church. But it would be equally wrong to blame all in the Church as less than 5% were guilty of carrying out that abuse.
We have no idea what percentage of those immigrants are carrying out abuse because to even suggest that it’s happening is considered the ‘R’ word, ssshhh, we’re not supposed to acknowledge it. And until we do and admit there is a problem how can we ever hope to have a chance at fixing it?
We’re shown heart wrenching images of children drowning, being blown up, shell shocked, dazed, bloodied and, frankly things like that just shouldn’t happen to kids, any kids. The images are tremendously emotive and moving, they’d bring a tear to the eyes of a blind man. But yet, I can’t help but notice that the majority of the immigrants are still young, single men, and if I can see it surely the ‘authorities’ can too. So who is conning whom?
Marlowemallow I read your “questions” and thought no why would I engage with a racist,
@ Ciaran Masterson. That is the dictionary definition of prejudice and bigotry.
Kerry, Michael/Whatever you’re going by today – Why, exactly, do ye hate your own people so much that ye are so ready to expose your sisters, daughters, mothers – and young boys – to this danger? And, be under no illusions, it is these people who will suffer the continuing sexual assaults. Why would ye rejoice in the thought of your descendants being bred out, the females labouring under the yoke of Sharia? How will such a future bode for the LGBT, etc?
I have no grá for the C.C. but arguing for more yet sex abusers to come here is akin to inviting wasps into your house because you’ve been previously stung by bees. How can ye find this so appealing
Why does the title say ” Angela Merkel decided to let tens of thousands of migrants into the country.”
when she has actually left HUNDREDS of thousands of migrants into the country…..??
more subtle media lies perhaps…??
And remember, Merkel has 2 PhD’s, she is no fool and knew exactly what would happen.
Whatever is going down was planned a long time ago, by the big money.
Dear Michael, Would you be happy for your young daughters to go swimming in a pool with a dozen Muslim immigrants?
Maybe you have missed or did not notice how muslam (Sic) women are made to dress Kerry Blake or perhaps you don’t know why they must hide their beauty and or body shape and why they start so young and continue into middle and and beyond. A little study of these facts would teach you a lot, most likely how to tell the difference between criticism and racism or genuine fear of the facts and a bleeding heart.
Nor that Irish women need to cover themselves to avoid being raped.Michael OLainn. If you want to let your heart bleed feel free but don’t bring our women and children the threat of rape just to satisfy your misplaced feelings because it is almost too late already and before you tell us how lovely they are Google ” Taqiyya”.
F/Off back to where you came from MOL.
When a country takes in 2 million uneducated religious fanatic migrants don’t be surprised if there is a slight bit of worry with the natives.
Some Syrians are highly educated.
Generally immigrants contribute more to a society than they take from a society.
Who says they’re all uneducated? Who says they’re all religious fanatics?
I say it, because it’s true.
I say that you are wrong Luke.
I’m not Fiona.
EU migrants contribute far more than they take. Same cannot be said for migrants from the Muslim & third world. That’s an indisputable fact.
@Micheal OLainn-Not Muslim immigrants! For they constitute over 50% unemployment in the UK and 37% of Violent ofenders in UK Jails.
In France over 70% in jails.
In Germany over 80% are on some kind of Govt. handouts.
Merkel beaten into third place, no surprises. Watch the Germans now try to “dump” the thousands of people they disgracefully and unilaterally on the rest of us. We had no say in allowing these people and we will of course have no say in how the Germans decide to give us. all part of EU Democracy. Germany has made a complete mess of Europe under this womans crazy rule.
@Austin
The European Court of Justice is considering a complaint made by both Hungary and Slovakia about the EU migrant quota.
More migrants crossed to Greece because of Merkel’s words…. https://www.rt.com/news/358209-migrants-greece-germany-eu/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome how is a broke Greece meant cope if Germany ships a problem they caused back to Greece?
Who are we kidding with Greece. The radical Syriza are a bleeding heart leftie party, they’d throw their own borders open regardless. Many of the beautiful Greek Islands have been destroyed as a result.
One cannot deny that Greece has to cope with more migrants because of Germany’s actions.
No I am not denying that in the slightest but I feel a radical left wing party like Syriza would supporter a global borderless world regardless. Just as the likes of Sinn Fein or the AAA/PBP would have us do here.
Is that surprising? Most ordinary people are getting tired of the antics of Islamics. It is the Christians, Ahmadis that are persecuted.
America today complete an intake of 10,000 “Syrian” Refugees, 56 were Christian. This is truly scandalous.
And today around the City of Dublin, the pro-life trucks are circulating blaring out hymns and promulgating a fundamentalist message. We have Irish fundamentalists, home grown.,
Only 2 Syrian families have been housed in the South of Ireland, but some people are engaging in anti immigrant rhetoric North and South of the border.
Perhaps, Ireland is not a liberal republic.
@Micheal, you liberal clown. Irish guy fundamentalist are alot less likely to blow themselves up on a crowded bus and also won’t beheaded people either. Let the Irish fundamentalist sing away for all the harm they are doing.
Thankfully
The people are .moving back to the right where policy makes sense. The liberals are being knocked of their perches, election by election, country by country This is the beginning of the end of the beginning again.
@micheal. Singing hymns is ok with me. I do have an issue with stoning, beheading and raping. So I am guessing you will call me a RACIST. So be it.
“At least four women ‘are sexually assaulted by immigrant men during a rampage at a party in Germany’ in a chilling echo of the New Year’s Eve attacks ”..http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3773014/At-four-women-sexually-assaulted-immigrant-men-rampage-party-Germany-chilling-echo-New-Year-s-Eve-attacks.html
We can Epsom quickly forget the sexual predators in the Roman Catholic Church and the role of the Vatican in concealing this.
We can so quickly forget the results of the SAVI report on sexual violence in Ireland.
Sex crimes are nit confined to immigrants.
Michael is an Islamist propagandist who engages in the same old distraction methods every time. This one is an attempt to call anyone criticizing Merkel’s immigration policy a hypocrite. It relies firstly on the fallacy that most Europeans are Christians (they are not) and secondly it’s a logical fallacy called tu quoque – even if one proved that someone was a hypocrite, that would have no bearing whatsoever on the truth or otherwise of what they said.
It’s a divert and distract strategy.
Oh and he throws in a straw man for good measure:
“Sex crimes are nit confined to immigrants.”
Of course no one said that they were but the aim again is to distract people from talking about the actual problem.
Sex crime is a problem in so many cultures including in Western culture.
Demonising immigrant cultures and seeking to represent a few isolated cases as representative is discriminatory.
Shag off Michael you Muslim apologist! 4 more German women sexually assaulted by migrants at a music festival in Germany!
@Michael
But it’s a much greater problem in the Middle East and Africa.
@Mac Ready
Apologies.
I red-thumbed you by accident.
@Marshmallow-For which, I believe, he gets well-paid for.
No doubt Patrick. But a trained monkey could do the job really.
@Micheal OLainn- Never stop demonizing the Catholic Church do you Micheal! For your info all Christian denominations are equally involved according to the Insurance companies who have to pay out hard cash and the Catholic Church is no better or worse as far as the number of victims are concerned they say. So better book an appointment with your shrink to find another cause of what’s buggin’ ya!
Since the mid-1980s, insurance companies have offered sexual misconduct coverage as a rider on liability insurance, and their own studies indicate that Catholic churches are not higher risk than other congregations. Insurance companies that cover all denominations, such as Guide One Center for Risk Management, which has more than 40,000 church clients, does not charge Catholic churches higher premiums. “We don’t see vast difference in the incidence rate between one denomination and another,” says Sarah Buckley, assistant vice president of corporate communications. “It’s pretty even across the denominations.” It’s been that way for decades.
http://europe.newsweek.com/priests-commit-no-more-abuse-other-males-70625?rm=eu
All those that agree with allowing Muslim refugees in to Ireland will you be taking them into your home ? feeding them paying for their medical bills for years to come ? Doubt that, but want the taxpayer to do that ,while our own people cant afford to buy a home ,over 20,000 people on a social housing list in my own county ,while 114 Syrians have moved on to houses in Limerick ,Cork , Soon to be made Irish citizens and demanding that their family members be allowed to move into Ireland ,Very hard to integrate people who regard you as a “infidel ” Try asking one of their daughters out on a date see what happens ,Only people welcoming refugees and migrants are employers looking for cheap labour and the left who live in their make believe utopia ,Why not welcome Christian refugees who are been killed and driven out of their lands by the Islamist’s ? No mention of their plight .Christians face being wiped out from the Middle East within ten years as increasing numbers are killed by Muslim extremists or forced to flee persecution, Catholic aid groups have warned.
The alarming rate of decline means the religion could vanish in some areas in just five years unless the world steps in, says the international Catholic charity Aid to the Church in Need.
In Iraq, where Christians are being butchered in mass executions by the Islamic State, their number has plunged from one million to just 275,000 in the last 12 years alone..
@Whitecross, Whitecross is in Armagh which is in Northern Ireland. NI is part of the UK which voted to leave the EU and thus stop the Muslims extremist coming to the UK. I applaud you on this decision and only wish we could be apart of it.
Merkel has 2 PhD’s, she is no fool and knew exactly what would happen.
Whatever is going down was planned a long time ago, by the big money.
The same paranoid type arguments were made in the USA against poor Irish and Italian immigrants in the early to mid 1800s. but 99.999% turned out to become regular Americans in the end.
The Spokesman: the UK leaving the EU will not give them any extra power in stopping Muslim extremists travelling there or causing problems there. The UK’s large Muslim population mainly comes from their colonial past & agreements made for support during WWII.
It’s a tough one. People have concerns which they feel aren’t being addressed. Being wary of immigration doesn’t automatically make you a racist or a xenophobe. People don’t want the experiences seen throughout Belgium, France,Sweden, England replicated. Of course there are racists and bigots in Germany who are only too happy to attack any perceived threat from foreigners. It’s the people in the middle ground – a middle ground which is shrinking rapidly – that need to be convinced that this huge influx of people offers genuinely good prospects for both the locals and the new arrivals.
Absolutely. But the political mainstream across Europe refuses to even acknowledge the problems that have resulted from their policies. Ireland has the same problem. We should aim to prevent such problems happening here rather than, as usual, wait and react when they predictably do happen here. People need to start talking about this stuff openly with those around them and demanding that their politicians address these issues.
The premise set in the title of this article is simply wrong.
Anti open borders is not populism, its simply common sense. This is why parties like AFD, national front etc. are growing exponentially all over the EU.
Frosty looking bitch with a face only a mother could love. I remember her input when we had to payback her german banker’s. Hey merk did you think you were going with the flow well the flow has swept you away yourself.
Delighted.
Populist… A term that supposed to be derogatory in political world when in fact it represents the interests of the many at the expense of the elite. Any politician that bashes the populist cause is in fact working for the banks and big business at our expense. My personal beliefs are small government and people paying their own way with less taxes. Only important services would be maintained by government Water/healthcare and and a couple of others…….RTE would certainly be scrapped.
At least her ass will be clean with our Irish leader licking it clean
The nightmare vision you paint is not going to help my insomnia.
Poor Salmon’s only crime was that he printed the holy secret that female gods once lived in that black box in Mecca and most of the Islamic world wanted to kill him. I wonder if I mention that they put pink dyed turkey on ham pizzas but don’t tell you that they are doing so will I have hide.
Delighted for afd,once more branded racists and treated with derision by the media. They know whats s up,the current leaders are importing a far more dangerous Europe heck I’ll say it the way its going theyre importing war. The left has been arrogant and violent in its defense of this. Enough is enough countries must vote out those advocating this.
The saddest part of this saga is that all those moderate educated and decent Syrian or other refugees who may have been welcomed before are now branded with the millions of undocumented who Merkel flung open the doors of Europe to. Surely her party should have consulted the German people before they undertook this momentous decision?
Many, probably even a majority of Germans actually supported her decision to begin with. It really is an extremely socially liberal country. And the downside of that is a naivety bordering on insanity. Some of them have had to learn through painful, bitter experience when they could have instead have learned from honestly observing the results of mass immigration in the rest of Europe for the past 40 years or so. They deliberately refused to do that in the name of being anti-racist. I have sympathy for them but that sympathy has limits.
Great news
If you want to know why this has happened, see above!
Ah, poor oul” grim reaper, Angie baby. Auf wiedersehen, Pet.
Yup that is why in the USA people are voting for trump
Germany need to be very careful here. While there’s absolutely nothing wrong in supporting a party against uncontrolled mass immigration you certainly don’t want to throw the baby out with the bath water and end up with a party that’s flat out racist and who defines what it is to be German based on skin color or religion nor do you want a party who’s anti mass immigration but who’s other policies on things like the economy or the myriad of other social issues are either non existent or just down right crazy.
Many AfD voters undoubtedly wish that they had more electoral options but the reality is that they don’t. And many of them will prioritize their very German freedom to send their 11 year olds alone to the swimming pool or on the bus without worrying that they will be sexually harassed, assaulted or raped over pretty much any other economic or social concern.
When it gets to that point it’s probably best to just not engage in politics at all. That way when it goes pear shaped at least you can say it had nothing to do with you.
they’ll be burning books next
Like this you mean?
“On January 14, 1989, 1,000 British Muslims marched through Bradford and burned a copy of Salman Rushdie’s novel The Satanic Verses.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/9523983/The-Satanic-Verses-and-me.html
@Stephen Kearon,
Aren’t you the guy who said Maggie Thatcher should have killed all the political prisoners?
Eamon –That’s Stephen. He was then expelled from his local branch in Wicklow but quietly allowed back in a year later in a classic FF stroke.
Stephen said that Bobby Sands deserved his horrific death.
Is it the same Stephen that is providing the comic relief
They did that in Turkey recently?
Going to Germany you’ll notice it’s bereft of kids. Poor population management has left them needing to boost their workforce from anywhere they could. It’s an economic necessity not a humanitarian one.
Fascism stalks Europe once more. We must smash it.
You’re right, thank God they ousted Merkel. Now let’s get some real democracy in action.
That’s incitement to crime Petr. Careful now…
How do you work that out? When fascism raises it’s ugly head in Ireland, we punch it off. The same will be done by our comrades around Europe.
Fascism:
A way of organizing a society in which a government controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government.
A political system in which the government controls business and labor and opposition is not permitted.
Ring a bell?
Think Brussels, Merkel, neo liberal economics and corporate influence.
Europe as it stands currently.
You ‘anti-fascist’ Islamists have some serious hate and anger issues you need to work out.
@Petr.
If the TTIP proposals become reality and the European political establishment finds itself in the grip of corporate control,( if it isn’t already) then what sort of society do you envisage in the next 100 years?
Who will uphold the rights of ordinary citizens in a Europe run on principles of corporate greed?
Joey
might have a point but also include Cuba, Venezuela China ect
People should not be shocked that people turn to these parties when grown men from Islamic societies need to be educated on how it’s not ok to rape and sexually assault people.
If the hate comments on the Journal were representative of the mainstream views of Irish society, Ireland would be an ugly place.
Better to be a realist than a fantasist.
I would hate to live with so much fear and hate in me. It is a sad and sick place in your mind. The worldcandcall of its peoples are far better than you comprehend but you have control over your outlook.
Well, I think most people recognise the mantra one planet, one people, but that does not justify cutural transformation on such a grand scale without the citizens of that political entity being afforded the right to at least read the blueprint first.
Unless of course there is no visionary blueprint for such an undertaking, and the Brussels handing off of migrants to Turkey would suggest that that is the case, thus the underlying motive for such mass movements of people is purely an attempted economic hijack by the larger powers in Europe to solve internal fiscal problems of their own making, all neatly packaged in humanitarian principles of course.
And the fact that it’s being found out does not automatically imply that humanitarian idealism is dead.
Rather that abuse of humanitarian idealism is an anathema to the majority of people. much as the charity scandals here at home have illustrated.
My concern is less with the impact if immigration as with the way in which we are seeing a re-run of the extreme right politics of fear and hate, using populist unease over a culture clash with immigration as the tinder for giving the extreme right a respectability and role in the political mainstream.,
Early signs of danger were Anders Breiviks and more lately the asssination if Jo Cox.
Immigration needs to be addressed in a structured way, adequate resources allocated to integration and assimilation, so that language and cultural differences do not create separate ghettos.
There are admirable traits in the West. The Enlightenment gave rise to a more rational outlook, the notion of laws and government dependent if religion, qualities of tolerance and a more liberal outlook.
On the way home from the city centre, a few minutes ago, I encountered 2 large trucks, playing loud hymn music and displaying giant posters about RTE supposedly censoring the pro-life side. A group of young adults were cheering and shouting abuse about “pro-aborts”. We have inhumane direct provision and there is an increasing atmospher of developing fear and hate.
We are seeing the rise of an extreme right wing rhetoric. Right wing politics is moving further and further to the right whilst the extreme right engages in more and more strident and vitriolic rhetoric to prevent its agenda being taken from it.
The greater threat to Europe is ot immigration in a direct sense, it is the atavistic fear and hatred which the extreme right is encouraging on the back of immigration.
Hopefully, the majority will retain a confident and proportionate outlook but there are bad seeds being planted at the moment and there is a level of vitriol being expressed which would not have happened even a few years ago.,
Anti establishment fervour is on the rise across Europe.
If you want to trace the reason for this sentiment then look no further than the European Hierarchy in Brussels.
Unfortunately they are not listening, even after Britain’s exit death them a death blow.
Like Nero they’ll still be fiddling while Europe burns all around them.
Eircodes , your very wrong.
The people may not have the answers but the people certainly know when someone’s tying to pull the wool over their eyes.
Eircodes, firstly Europe is culturally and historically a dominant Christian landmass so of course Christian Europeans are against the importation of rapefugess on mass destroying their cultures, economies, and way of life.
Secondly what you said isn’t true anyway, Christians, Jews, Atheists, Agnostics, Orthodox, and Deists have all come out against globalism and the destruction of our cultures and way of life.
The only religion to be blamed here is Islam.
Buddhists and Hindus too Caesar. And they’re also being called racists and fascists for it.
I’ve reported hate speech to the relevant authorities.
Did you disclose your bi polar and incontinence conditions over the phone before starting the conversation? Not sure it’ll stand up in court Petr.
Good for you Petr .. I’m sure the commenters on here are scared now .. not !
Hi Dain / Liam,
For those not in the loop, ‘Dain Bramage’ is Liam Egan; an Islamist living in Wexford.
The only loop you should be concerned about is the one the mouse runs around in your head when he’s working the controls.
Yes, it is fair to conclude, based on the comments, that right wing extremism is no longer nascist. It is certainly gaining traction.
The Journal is providing a communications platform to enable fear and hate mongers stir up anti-immigrant sentiment.
You don’t get to control what people think, sorry! And you don’t get to label them as hateful because you live in a fantasy world without any nuance.
The seeds of fascism are being planted. The extreme right is on the rise.
Rhetoric replaces rationality.
Rigid ideology of the extreme right is trying to unify hate by encouraging irrational fear of immigrants.
That argument holds no water anymore.
Once the ‘Unknown’ becomes known then the conflict of culture and civilization is based on familiarity and commonplace fact.
Spot on Michael. We will defeat this disease.
There is a rational basis to public disquiet.
I know of many, Petr , who longer post on The Journal because of a perception that it is colonised by extreme right wingers, fascists and neoNazis. I thought was was an over reaction and I still do because the same names or same identities, changed from time to time, keep turning up. These extremists are very passionate and vociferous. I think that they are a small but toxic minority.,
Pert and. Michael are you the same person the infamous Tariq or Jahid info ?
Yes they are John.
Hi John003 / Liam,
For those not in the loop, John003 is Liam Egan; an Islamist living in Wexford.
Michael — The comments on this site are a cesspool of boneheaded conspiracy theories, racism, and fascism.
I’m just one of the very many every day and ordinary Irish who prefers an open, liberal, Western values society, secular, tolerant and a successor to the values of the Enlightenment.
I don’t want an illiberal, dogmatic, tyrannical and authoritarian society, soaked in fear and hate.
Liam we don’t mind you having multiple accounts it’s just when they all start complementing each other
It becomes a little confusing
Micheal…That last line sounds like the description of an Islamic country.
John / Liam,
Talking to yourself is the first sign of madness.
“I don’t want an illiberal, dogmatic, tyrannical and authoritarian society, soaked in fear and hate.”
You’re on these comments crying about racist boogeymen and using a story that they drive others away as a fear tactic; and it’s a clearly because YOU are the person who wants to silence others. You’re actively calling for anyone you disagree with to be labelled and cast out.
If you think speech silences you by opposing you, then you need to grow up. You should never attempt to have speech silenced or limit the ability to speak. If an idea is sufficently bad it will not stand, no matter how much we overcompensate sometimes when solving social issues.
“My own opinion is enough for me, and I claim the right to have it defended against any consensus, any majority, anywhere, any place, any time. And anyone who disagrees with this can pick a number, get in line, and kiss my ass.” ― Christopher Hitchens
If you truly believe your positions and are capable of defending them; then you wouldn’t need to be such a censorious creep.
Freedom of expression is fundamental Hate speech is unpleasant but it has to be defended unless it crosses over into incitement to violence.
I don’t want The Journal to censor the vile and hateful comments which I read and occasionally oppose. It is better than this horrible aspect of human nature is made fully visible. It is evidence of an emerging trend.
The Journal does an excellent service in ventilating the hateful prejudices of the extreme right and virulently anti immigrant activists. Better than we see it.
Nonsense. If you really believed all speech was to be defended you wouldn’t be consistently lashing out at boogeymen. Call out the people / comments directly or leave it out. You’re the only one creating a spectre of fear here.
BTW, you can label people all you want but we both know these comments sections are effectively devoid of hateful prejudice. Most of it is informed prejudice, and If you don’t like the truth about Islam then stop defending Islam.
Well said Andy …
That is what you want, a neo Nazi party in control over Germany who controls the E.U. then as being the largest economy in it.
have your say