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THE NEWLY-CREATED working group on direct provision and the asylum process has been criticised for not including any current asylum seekers.
Anti-deportation Ireland (ADI), an activist group which campaigns for the abolition of the direct provision system, has condemned the formation of the working group, whose members were announced on Monday.
The very people whose lives will be affected by the findings of the Working Group, asylum seekers living within the direct provision system, must be directly and well represented on the Group.
“For the working group to have true legitimacy, asylum seekers from across the 34 centres must have direct representation,” said Joe Moore from ADI.
Justice Minister Frances Fitzgerald and Junior Minister Aodhán Ó’Ríordáin set up the group “to report to Government on improvements to the protection process, including Direct Provision and supports to asylum seekers.”
The group, chaired by retired High Court Judge Bryan McMahon, includes representatives from the Irish Refugee Council, Jesuit Refugee Service, NASC, as well as Reuben Hambakachere, a former asylum seeker representing the Irish Refugee Council’s Core Group of Asylum Seekers and Refugees.
It does not include any current residents of direct provision centres.
‘It’s not a fair share, but it’s a step in the right direction’
Irish Refugee Council CEO Sue Conlan said she would have preferred to see stronger representation of current asylum seekers in the group, of which she is a member.
“Of course it’s not a fair share, but it is a step in the right direction,” she told TheJournal.ie this afternoon.
Conlan noted that Hambakachere could make a particularly valuable contribution to the group, given that he and his family had been in direct provision for eight years, before completing the transition out of that system, some six months ago.
A spokesperson for NASC, whose CEO Fiona Finn was appointed to the working group, told TheJournal.ie the organisation was “disappointed that more of an effort wasn’t made” to include better representation of current asylum-seekers.
In a statement yesterday, Finn expressed hesitation about the prospects of the group:
Although we are disappointed that the terms of reference for the Working Group seem quite narrow, we believe it is better to be at the table and try to effect change than to not take part.
Another working group member, Eugene Quinn from the Limerick-based Jesuit Refugee Service, told TheJournal.ie “it would always be better to have stronger representation from asylum-seekers.”
Sophie Magennis from the Irish office of the UN High Commission for Refugees (UNHCR) said only that she welcomed the inclusion of Hambakachere.
We welcome the inclusion of key NGOs in the area, including a representative of an NGO made up of people who are currently in or have gone through the asylum process.
A spokesperson for the Department of Justice told TheJournal.ie Reuben Hambakachere “has the advantage of being able to speak about the experience of transition from direct provision to life in the community and all that that entails.”
In establishing the Working Group, a key concern was to ensure the inclusion of a representative of an NGO made up of people who are currently in or have gone through the asylum process.
The Irish Refugee Council Core Group was asked to nominate someone, and chose Hambakachere, the spokesperson added.
The Working Group will later include an as yet undefined number of “representatives from relevant government departments,” according to the Justice Department.
However, here’s a list of its 11 members:
The Department of Justice did not respond to enquiries by TheJournal.ie, in time for publication.
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Look at the placards in the picture. Using kids like that shows you the true nature of these people. They are just trying to embarrass the country. Do they really think that we can just take in thousands of people and house them etc? This crap has gotten out of hand. Where were they before the European Union? The whole thing has just degenerated into blackmail and bullying.
A humane and workable repatriation programme is the best answer.
There were lots of children on the Right2Water protest on Saturday. This indicates that the ‘true nature of these people’ is identical to that of anyone else. What is more, it is entirely appropriate that children should learn to stand up for their basic rights, rather than be cowed by the State’s repressive apparatuses.
Yeah right, every second word out of their mouths is “the children”, it’s the oldest one in the book. If they are not genuine, then they are in my mind, one of the lowest form of criminals on the planet, they are sucking up the limited resources that could be used to help genuine people that are fleeing persecution. I pity the children and thats what they are banking on. Take a look at that video. Only a matter if time before we start getting the same BS over here.
@Richard
thats crap, the Irish brought their families on a Saturday and made it a family occasion, there were so many adults the overriding photos were not of children to the front, but of adults in their 1000s. Here the overriding picture is always of the children…..”think of the children” this is a totally different deliberate attempt at using children.
Here we go again
You hate children Natalie?
@ahippo
I like children which is why I resent them being exploited in emotional blackmail stunts like this, as well as your own trollie remarks, what does stating the difference between children attending the water protest which were not used for political gain, and this DP scam show, where they are, you really ought to do something about your anger.
I am not angry sweetheart. I am amused.
Thanks for clarifying that dear.. it was not really clear to me where you stood on children. Glad you like them. Glad you agree they shoukd not be abused. I assume that sentiment applies to all children and all forms of abuse. So you will be campaigning against the institutionalised abuse of children in DP?
In effect you are calling their parents abusers.
No I am calling the state and their warders abusers.
They are free to leave, they do not have warders. So in effect the parents are subjecting them to abuse.
Also plenty of them have just left the centres and blended into the state.
If I were in that situation and was a genuine asylum seeker, I would not waste my time or subject my children to abuse, I would leave. After all they left their homes because of abuse. Wouldn’t that make them slightly hypocritical.
@neimad
if you were a genuine asylum seeker you would not be in Ireland bcoz fleeing for your life you would have wished for the guarantees of the first safe country you landed in, in africa or Europe
@ahippo
was ireland abusing children when we never had asylum seekers here before the 90′s floodgates? But there was wars and famines then, so weren’t we abusing children by not letting them into our country then too?
These people have made appeal after appeal to try to wrangle their case to get to stay here, they have been advised by the migrant rights NGOs to stay as long as possible which will strengthen their case to get a waiver. Did I do that, no, did their parents do that, or give a sh% t about what that does to their children, no, did you give a sh%t, about the irresponsibility of their parents and immigration pushers like yourself advising them just so you and your immigration industry friends can change the type of Ireland that exists, shame on you, the abuse is all on you, immigration pushers like you and the parents
So actually you don’t Care about children… And yes sadly other institutions of this state and good Aryan nuns and priests and quite a few individual Aryan parents were abusing their children before we had asylum seekers.
@ahippo
Do you have children? Ah right so you are proving my point by actually twisting everything I say and actually using children yourself to appeal to the emotional heartstrings to convince people, that is exploitation of children. All in reaction to the perfectly valid point made that the water charges did not exploit children for emotional manipulation, but the DP are, shame on you for continuing that vein.
If Australia, Canada, Switzerland, Japan, Austria, Sweden, Spain have an asylum application approval rate of less than 1% knowing that these are economic migrants and not real asylum seekers where their lives are at threat then they are doing a good job and no one gives them a hassle, but when we say enough is enough deport them once and for all and stop the infinite appealing process then we are labelled as racists.
For once Juan I agree. Even though you are an immigrant, I support low numbers of immigrants like yourself who at least seem to be trying to become Irish. Low numbers and with an emphasis on western European and their descendants is a much better system then the open to the world free for all, for peoples who have nothing in common with us, and the amount too is just far far too much.
Does anybody really care?
I do.
me too
Nope only danger is eye rolling strain from another asylum story / quangos ect ect in metro journal.ie
And what political party has an open-door policy on asylum seekers?
Step forward Sinn Fein.
What is an open door policy ? or is that just rhetoric
@ voice of….. That’s only when they are in opposition, in government, we could see a completly didn’t side of SF!!!!!!
Sinn Fein want there votes they would let Isis and Hamas in if they though they would vote for them.
@Windom
this is true, many sinn feiners will defend islam while bashing Christianity, sinn feiners are marxist, they attack the values and the Ireland of the men of 1916, they should not be let anywhere near the 1916 commemorations.
Keep going your gas….. markist now thats a throw back to another age……!916 was about equality and justice not your narrow interpretation….the more you post more your views come out “defend Islam ” what does that even mean ? Is it perhaps defending freedom of religion perhaps ?
1916 was about the right of the Gael to assert his ethnic claim over his ancestral ethnic territory, it made provision to the planter, that was beyond our control, it did not give the nod for this country to be wide open to any people from anywhere to swan in, or for policies which allow such large immigration, are you for real. To fight so that this countries resources could be at the disposal of the natural natives of this island whose populace originates in an native unforced manner, as opposed to what happend under British rule, which was the plantation, the first mass immigration, everything our Irish ancestors fought against, also referred to by the men and women of 1916, unsurpsing to hear sinn fein attack the Irish and agree with British colonial policies, but this is interesting, coming from a confessed sinn fein activist who boasted he was proud to be so, but not proud enough to give what his local office is that he helps in this activism.
Aren’t you lucky they made provision for the planter Ms Reaves?
How far back in history do you want to go Natalie. Do you really think the Gael sprang fully formed from the bog of Allen like some orc in LotR? Time you read some real history and not the crackpot notions of Fjordman or Jericho or Dukes.
Breivik autocorrected to Jericho. Weird.
@ahippo
we know the people of this island are not from an African or Chinese racial family tree, we know they are from a white racial family tree, and more especially, we know they are related to western Europeans. among that group the Irish are unique yet again. Time you put up some real proof for your accusations that people are telling lies, because I get the impression that you try to play a big bluff game.
More About Genes – The Irish Really are a race apart
By Dr. Emmeline Hill
http://www.insideireland.com/sample19.htm
Unique Celtic genes set us a race apart
Our DNA is so unique that we can be identified as being of Celtic origin, says Dr Dan Bradley of Trinity College, who is heading up the research team.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/unique-celtic-genes-set-us-a-race-apart-26237637.html
@ahippo
the planters were british, but you know that western Europeans are already from the same racial family tree, with the Irish and british being the most similar, there were also celtic tribes common to both islands,. We also had some nordic blood here, as did britain so making a provision for the planter was not adding anything new to the mix and it was done because nothing could be done about it, but in any case, they were a kindred people, veery similar if not same ancestral heritage as us and very very similar culture and mindset, planters were well able to adapt to a people they were very closely related to.
Actually Natalie the planters were Scots, English and Dutch for the most part. And they were imposed by a foreign king. And with the express intention of destroying the native Irish. But in your narrative that is okay. Your illogicality is astounding. Yes if there were people like you in Ireland in those eras they would be talking about you the way you talk about our few immigrants. You are not Irish. Go home.
@ahippo
I never said it was ok, the Irish resisted that invasion too, yes they would quite rightly be fighting for their existence and way of life, the point is the proclamation had to take account of a historical issue which centuries later, we could not do anything about, and had to make provision for a related western European island peoples. I made the point they at least were of very similar to same genetic peoples as us, do you deny that there are planters who had the same genetic material as us considering celtic tribes from the 2 islands were similar, as well as the influx of scandinavians to BOTH islands, that point was made above, you weren’t able to take it in though.
Just like forced plantation back then we have the same right to resist forced mass immigration this time, and this time we are being forced to have totally dissimilar peoples, with no relation to us at all, that was the point, at least historically and ancestrally, we have some relation to the planters, you ignore the fact that all tribes within a race fought each other, africans fought other africans, doesn’t mean they are not more related to each other then they are to Europeans, not even a good try at distorting what i said there, oh hateful one.
What is this we? You are an unwanted invader.
Natalie what do you require my local Sinn Fein office for exactly ?
Do you not understand I am not an employee of Sinn Fein ? So what do you need it for ? more dirty tricks is it ?
Are you still going to contact the social welfare office about me ….when u do you know you have to diall 353 for Ireland first
@Caoimhin
So you have a local office, thought so, is this where you wriggle out of stating proudly where your local office is, but I thought you said you were so proud to be a sinn fein activist, that you dont care who knows, well how about telling us what office it is, or are you still too cowardly and full of it, nobody said they were going to contact the social welfare, in your crazy world, normal sentences are said as threats, isn;t that how sinn fein used to do things before, all impled threats so nothing could be pinned on them, well ordinary decent folk dont talk like that, if I was going to contact the welfare on you, I would have come out and said it straight, but in your world, sinn fein always imply threats
@ahippo
woops more anger from ahipster
Natalie there is no local Sinn Fein office how many time do I have to repeat that ?
I am not a Sinn Fein employee , I am a member of Sinn Fein and proudly so…
What is this obsession you have that I have a loca lSinn Fein office…?
It makes no sense at all
Well said Ahippo … word of advice there is no point debating with person whoever they are or indeed wherever they are
No there is no Local Sinn Fein office……….I said if there was I would not tell you…I have not yet been in a Sinn Fein office so what you will make of that only God knows
Seriously – they’re actually protesting and complaining!!! At least you have a roof over your head – Shall we just ignore the thousand of homeless Irish citizens to ensure your needs met…Maybe rally the rest of your natives go back home and protest on your native land!!!!
It is not unheard of for human beings to protest and complain about degrading treatment. The idea that solidarity ought to be conditional on belonging to a particular nation has a long and disgraceful history, and has proven disastrous for entire societies. If societies operated on the principle that everyone is entitled to a roof over their head because it is a basic human need, we would all live happier lives, and we would be less likely to be driven by the kind of destructive racist impulses you express here..
Well said Richard
It is also not unheard of for scammers to take a soft touch naive country for a ride.
@Richard
btw we already have been in solidarity with the whole of the 3rd world for decades, we have made a meal of ourselves to help them for decades.
we already gave billions in aid to them and volunteer works over the decades, we owe these people nothing, not a damn cent. The only thanks we get now for asserting the right of the Irish people over their sovereign country, is to be called racist.
your short term solidarity actually makes the 3rd world poorer, those who have the energy and are more capable of effecting change in Africa etc, we take, while the corrupt and less capable, and truly poor are left there, making it even worse. Your short term pious ego trip, keeps Africa poor, while decreasing the western countries ability to help them in a long term way.
But you are not asserting sovereignty. You would deny people, other human beings, the rights and justice which we Irish fought for through the generations and if which we should be proud. Instead you attack the State and it’s institutions and seek to diminish others of our race, the human race, by adhering to the language of hate and prejudice and narrow minded nationalism. You and people like you abuse our Irishness by pretending it is something it is not. I celebrate my Irish heritage everyday by delighting in our freedom, by speaking our language, by enjoying our music and by speaking out for the values we as Irish have long believed. Do you?
Re expressing a claim of the Irish ethnic peoples, is reasserting their sovereignty. Asserting Irish ethnic rights includes by definition our right to our territory, which included the north up until recently if this was not the case, then the Irish state would not have had any case, when they came to the table in the Good Friday agreement. It is our right asserted as stated in the proclamation from through the generations, it is our right to reassert that ethnicity which by definition means the claim on our country. We had strict border control as part of that responsibility in ensuring the security of the Irish nation, that was our right, nobody called us racist then, nobody said we were denying other people their rights then. And all because multiculturalism has come along and foisted its EU immigration dictat on us, then all of a sudden we are racist or denying others rights, even though we have done nothing to anyone but simply demand the same assertion of our ethnicity that has been made for generations, don’t know what planet you are on, no doubt planet leftie immigration-push agenda.
The very fact you use the word Irishness, shows a unique ethnicity, ethnicities exist only because the members throughout history defended their existance, otherwise, had our ancestors not defended themselves by the sword, they would not have the unique Irish ethnicity they have, which no other ethnicity on the planet has, your arguments are all about emotional blackmail and trying to con the Irish out of thinking they have a right to exist as they are.
Multiculturalism has come along and foisted its EU diktat on us… what does that even mean Natalie darling. We are all multicultural in that we all have multiple identities. Male, gay, libertarian, Irish, munster, employer, son…. all different idrnties, all different cultures. What EU diktat are you talking about… give me a reference that states that diktat… no reference means you are talking bs.
I am on the same planet as you are. I am not a leftie and I am not a immigration pusher. I am intolerant of intolerance. I was an economic migrant. As a teenager I faced “Our country first, foreigners out” thugs, I was told “your type are not welcome here”, I was thrown out of my home because of my ethnicity. An Irishman in England in the 1970s. I was spat at by British nationalists. I was beaten up by narrow minded bigots. I was told I was sponging on the English welfare system by people in that system and told to go home to Ireland. I was told I was taking English jobs and depriving English children of food. Was I? Not as far as I was concerned I wasnt. But by your standards I was. Have you ever lived outside Ireland Natalie my love? Have you ever spoken to a blue man? Do you know any foreigners?
@ahippo
its obvious your personal experience has tainted your view on current events, I am against it for not only personal reasons experienced but bcoz the long term affects will bring more of the same for more people, people have a right to oppose immigration, how about I use the usual crap immigration pushers use, that not all immigrants are criminals, well how about, not all people who wish ethnic peoples to survive are people who would spit in your face. Many Irish were also treated very well in Britain. Brits do have the right to maintain their ethnicity, and not all brits who are ethnic supporters would have spat in your face either, there are well known cases of the brit government units like FRU, and 14 int,, ( if that is what you mean by your weird numbers) who actively went out of their way to stir up hatred and trouble, brits and israelis have been at that a long time, they have also infiltrated some of the leftie groups and national groups like combat 18. I have known foreigners long before immigration and lived outside Europe, this is another reason to oppose immigration, Europe should be Europe and not anything else, same for every other place, multiculturalism destroys diversity.
So my personal experience is invalid while yours has special power?
@ahippo
why don’t you read the comment, did I say that ? I said your whole reaction is tainted by your experience, my reaction is based on the actual disastrous effects multiculturalism and immigration is having on Europe as a whole, my personal experience happens to coincide with that, yours however is an agenda completely based on your personal expereince, so everyone has to suffer bcoz of your experience, you have no right to foist a policy on people that effectively destroys their ethnicity and ethnic homeland for them, simply bcoz you had a bad experience from some thugs. I condemn what happend to you, you however condone what is happenign to european ethnicities which is not a spit in the eye, but a genocidal boot in the face, that is the difference, your agenda is based in hate, mine is based in love, bcoz you can also attribute protection of ethnicity to all ethnicity no matter the race.
Why isn’t there anyone on the committee from the alliance of tax payers who are sick to their teeth of having their wallets opened to third world scam-artists hoping to hop aboard the gravy train, driven by an assortment of rights quangos and very wealthy immigration lawyers.
I wonder who designed the signs and encouraged these aslum seekers/economic migrants to go out and protest?
I hope this commitee does some good in this area and eliminates the widespread abuse of the AS system. It is little more than an attempt to circumvent the immigration process and anyone but closet loonies knows this.
Most of them are driving taxis and pissing in bottles..
you saddo are you sure you are not talking bout yourself
Anti-deportation ireland. Sounds like a bunch of crackpots to me.
If that’s who the journal are going to reference in their articles, I look forward to quotes from some tin foil hat types whenever we have a US gov related article.
Gives them something to talk about at dinner parties.
I hope the march in the picture ended at the airport.
No direct flights, sadly.
No advocate for the other side of the argument in this PC quango. Why did mediaocricy not ask this obvious question. More CENCORSHIP. Well Aodhán d Nation Wrecker I am prepared to give my participation in this farce active consideration. Subject off course to my considerable expenses. I await the call Ado.
What is your side Doc?
Now that is the question?
as usual no answers from the good doc
8 hours and still no answer from the Doc
he more then likely has a job
He had time to post the original comment…it is now 34 hours and counting since he put it up…I asked him the question two minutes after his post and he has never answered any questions put to him
sure your not alone there Caoimhin, a lot of people have the same problem with Gerry Adams.
Gerry has answered every question he has ever been asked…it is just that you may not like the answers……….
How many taxpayers are on the committee?
The committee is packed with people who support O Riordain , we can be fairly sure of the outcome , by Christmas each and every one of the people in DP will be in Social Housing enjoying the many benefits our Social Welfare system has to offer , this will leave plenty of room for the latest arrivals fleeing towards a free lunch ,
Remember this woman and her 2 children cost us over 1 million euro, dragged the Irish people through the courts over 25 times
ASYLUM SEEKER IN IRELAND IS PROVEN LIAR FOR 2ND TIME
Nigerian Pamela Izevbekhai, who claims she fled to Ireland to save her daughters from genital mutilation, has used ANOTHER set of counterfeit documents in her latest Supreme Court appeal against deportation.
Official investigation concluded they are fake.
Lawyers are to ask the Court to dismiss Izevbekhais case on the grounds that it was brought on the basis of fraudulent documents, not once, but TWICE.
source: Sunday Times 10/1/10
this in 2010
IRISH QUEING FOR 7YRS LOSE OUT TO IMMIGRANTS
From Nov 09 to March 2010, out of 19 council houses, allocated by Tralee council 11 went to immigrants. Many Irish people are on the housing waiting list, some waiting for 7yrs, and the houses are going to foreigners.
Kerryman 14/4/10
The only direct provision that should be given is a one way ticket back to whatever shit hole they crawled out of as quickly as possible.
There’s no doubt that spending lengthy periods of time in such accommodation is detrimental to the socio-psychological well-being of the inhabitants – esp. children. But does anyone know how the accommodation provided to AS here compares internationally – genuine question
There are only there for that length of time bcoz of the appeals after appeals they put in, at our expense, one really has to wonder how much we have spent on the while immigration invasion fiasco since we opened our borders to this bullsh%t, what could we have spent our money on for the Irish people in need?
e.g this in 2008
False claims help bill for asylum seekers to hit €300m
Published 04/05/2008 | 00:00
The cost of dealing with asylum seekers will reach €300m this year, with Irish lawyers making a killing from an estimated 1,200 judicial reviews of deportation cases by people who have entered the country illegally.
Each of the reviews is likely to cost the State at least €30,000 to €50,000 and some €20m is being set aside to cover legal costs to the Exchequer, as all are on legal aid.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/false-claims-help-bill-for-asylum-seekers-to-hit-300m-26443528.html
new day same waffle
/\ /\ /\ and the above from Caoimhin is an argument and not waffle, he does this trolling type comments a lot, but complains when other people actually make an argument.
Very poorly Anne Marie is the answer to your genuine question. The whole DP scheme was hatched by FF to benefit some cronies and to deal with the appalling inefficiency of the system presided over by the Department of inJustice. It was never intended that DP would be a long term housing solution but poorly drafted law, poorly executed processes and poorly thought through administration mean that the system is not fit for purpose. Contrary to what some of the more advanced Aryans in these threads think we do not have an open door immigration policy. It is exceptionally hard to get an Irish visa, compared to some countries. It is also not correct to say that an asylum seeker must seek asylum in the first safe country they arrive in. They can seek asylum in any country but if they have landed (as in have an immigration stamp in their passport) in another safe country before seeking asylum in a second country then they can be returned to the first. For this reason people landing on boats in Italy often try to evade immigration until they reach a country where the system allows them to stay. Some of them are undoubtedly economic migrants, but some are seeking safety. Many Africans will know of Ireland through Irish missionaries, many will know us a warm welcoming and Christian in a practical sense people. That is one of the reasons they seek refuge here. That the system is broken is clear and it must be fixed. That we should exclude immigrants on the basis of ethnicity is odious.
@ Caoimhín I would come from a very similar political standpoint as you and I totally welcome genuine asylum seekers and refugees however a considerable number of these people are totally fakes. Pamela and her never ending appeal really changed my opinion. I look forward to an Ireland of equals regardless of colour or creed but this really is a joke. However the government needs to get a grip and integrate those who are legally entitled to be here and deport the rest.
@Ahippo
no open door policy? When 1000s of people can get in here from africa with no direct flights and claim asylum, but flood in from UK and over the NI border, that is an open door. ahippo is a propagandist he plays on emotions and what strikes a chord with the Irish. he does not have your or the Irish or even the asylum seekers best interests at heart
False claims help bill for asylum seekers to hit €300m
l Another Nigerian man stopped in the George Best Airport, Belfast, in March this year where he was met by another Nigerian man. He claimed to own a successful haulage business in Nigeria. A search of his suitcase uncovered documents showing he had been claiming benefits here for two years.
l A Brazilian woman who was also detained at the airport in Belfast in February this year had previously been detained in January 2007. “By her own admission she operates as a prostitute and travels through Belfast to enter this State as she had previously been refused entry to the State at Dublin Airport. She has conditions in the UK based on marriage to a British national,” the report states.
l A Somali man also stopped in Belfast on April 28 last year was found to be carrying a large suitcase full of the drug ‘quat’, a type of natural amphetamine much used by Somalis but not illegal in the UK or here. He was found to have an address in Dublin and also to be in receipt of welfare payments.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/false-claims-help-bill-for-asylum-seekers-to-hit-300m-26443528.html
@Anne Marie
This is the kind of “love” we can expect from the real ‘Ahippo’;
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Is that a Jewish name Natalie.. the female form of Nathan? Related to Bibi Netanyahu? And Reaves, is that not a good English name. How Irish are you Nat? Share your name with Rothschilds do you? Are you a race hater.. born jewish but cant cope with it? Low self esteem? A bit fat? Comfort eater? You seem to know a fair bit about the social? Do you do anything useful? Like work? Could you maybe go occupy a building site in Clongriffin or hold a placard in Clonskeagh? Or stand in the arrivals hall in Dublin Airport with a sign that says fackorffornner in your best yiddish accent?
Which ahippo ends by saying:
“Or maybe just curk up, dry out and die.”
http://www.thejournal.ie/mary-lou-thrown-out-1723902-Oct2014/#comment-3005247
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I appear to be getting to you Natalie. You know I am right. :)
Natalie. These people enter the country illegally. They are bypassing the strict visa system and policy. We do not have an open door policy. We have an ineffective system of immigration control.
They are here Natalie because the system allows them to be here. But rather than fix the system you prefer to blame the direct victims of the system. Fix the system. That is a bit harder is it not. And of course we are all victims of the system. We all pay for the deficiency. Just as legal residents of the US pick up the tab for the illegals who do not pay tax and avail of the US system.
Italy allow them to stay, they just don’t give them anything, and the conditions that they live in are far worse. A lot of them live on the streets. There is also a lot of migrant workers from Africa left in limbo in Italy after the crash. Thats why they make their way over here. What you are stating is a misleading bunch of lies. Also, the UK and countries like Norway, Germany, and Sweden are the top destinations – not Ireland. You should get your facts straight. They soon realise that there is nothing for them in Europe and are being forced into petty crime and drug dealing to get by.
@ahippo
Is that why you spew hate ? Because you are getting to me ? tis obvious you try to hide your hate by presenting yourself as all concerned for the asylum seekers, but in reality you use them simply to push immigration.
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Is that a Jewish name Natalie.. the female form of Nathan? Related to Bibi Netanyahu? And Reaves, is that not a good English name. How Irish are you Nat? Share your name with Rothschilds do you? Are you a race hater.. born jewish but cant cope with it? Low self esteem? A bit fat? Comfort eater? You seem to know a fair bit about the social? Do you do anything useful? Like work? Could you maybe go occupy a building site in Clongriffin or hold a placard in Clonskeagh? Or stand in the arrivals hall in Dublin Airport with a sign that says fackorffornner in your best yiddish accent?
Which ahippo ends by saying:
“Or maybe just curk up, dry out and die.”
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It must have hit home my beloved.. third or fourth time you have reproduced it. But still no reference to the EU diktat or an identification of a european country that is falling apart from immigration. Are you frantically reading up gates of vienna for proofs? Have you tried out any of Breiviks recipes yet? Sew any armbands for your uniform? Spray some graffiti?
Tarlach there is nothing in what you say I would disagree with, I consistently make the point that the asylum system is flawed…There are legitimate concerns about this….
I do believe each person should be treated in a humane way and as I pointed out here a few people / accounts are using this issue to further their own end which you can see from the posts here about having a white christain Ireland.
As a result of pointing this out I have been targeted by that small group and the vilest of comments have been made against me including that I support Rape , Murder and sex with minors.
Ahippo I disagree with you politically as you know , however I applaud you for standing up for right
I am not actually all that concerned about tge immigrants Natalie. I am concerned that the state where I pay my taxes and to which I owe my allegiance does things right. And in my view the DP centres are manifestly wrong. There is a much better way of doing this and part of that is by overhauling our immigration policy so that we can deal with undocumented arrivers quickly and in accordance with law and due process. We also need to have a more rational system of legal immigration. We need to do that on the basis of proper argument, not emotional and illogical claims based on a gross misunderstanding of genetics or the rather mad ramblings of 19th century proto scientists.
You can be right wing and believe in what is right Caoimhin… read Locke and Rousseau … stay away from Marx.
@ahippo
so that would be Britain, where you pay your taxes
@ahippo
what are you blathering on about i reproduce it to answer your crap about getting to people, your the one telling to
“Or maybe just curk up, dry out and die.”
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so not allowed show the opposite of the case now, tis yourself in a tizzy, the above is shown as proof
No Natalie, Ireland.
Wonder why they didn’t think to include someone from an asylum centre on the panel, doesn’t seem to make much sence. How can they get up to date knowledge on the situation from people who haven’t seen the inside of a centre, this is except for the guy that was in one but not now.
don’t the Irish do that and go work illegally in the USA
No they don’t inproperganda, I am not aware of any Irish people who have claimed asylum in the US. I am aware that some have overstayed their visas. Different issue, different problem.
A country the Irish helped founded built and died for, you’d expect we have some rights to go there. We have ancestral ties to America. We have to have visas, job, money all set up before we go there legally, if caught illegally, we are turfed out and not allowed back in. There is no comparison with Irish going to ancestrally linked countries with stricter border control and peoples we have nothing to do with coming here, we already gave billions in aid to them and volunteer works over the decades, we owe these people nothing, not a damn cent.
The Americans owe us nothing Natalie. Why should they? You have a very twisted sense of entitlement. We may not owe immigrants here anything but we demean ourselves (and our race and Christian civilisation) when we deny them human dignity and treat them badly. Why are you so afraid? Is it because you think our culture is so weak and fragile that it cannot survive? Is it because you don’t actually value what we have and can only derive pride in it from diminishing and abusing others?
@ahippo
the point was in showing how the above comparison of the Irish going to the States doesn’t follow. For one, the US exists partly because of the Irish, we played a major part in the creation of it, so if someone is going to compare Irish in a country their own ancestors helped create with Africans coming to Ireland, then that comparison is wrong. Ireland has ancestral links to US, we have nothing to do ancestrally with the asylum seekers, the comparison is wrong, so it shouldn;t be made.
We didn;t allow any asylum seeking on this level before the 90′s but there was plenty of wars and famines going on, we were not called racist then or accusations directed at us that we were demeaning ourselves then either, if anything, we had an even better respect. Your accusations are attempts at emotional blackmail and guilttripping. No culture can survive constant influx of foreigners, every empire has fallen partly because of that, every European country is now beginning to fall apart because of it now, facts are on my side. Try using facts instead of emotional blackmail to wedge in immigration.
Which countries are falling apart Natalie, name them, show us how that us happening?
@ahippo
just have a look at the crime in many areas of several european countries where once there was s shining example to the world like in sweden, now there are muslim rape gangs and no-go areas, this diference is a decline in standards, thus a falling apart of that country, youd hardly describe it as an enhancement, or how about the 1400 girls gang raped by muslim gangs simply bcoz the locals were afraid of the word racism the word people like you accused them of, and now revelations that manchester might be even worse. then there is the demographic decline of native ethnic Britons in many of their own cities and towns, that is not an enhancement of that ethnic group in their own country that is a decline, another falling apart, as that is exactly what it is, the natives are falling, and declining in number, declining more apart,……falling apart.
How fear of being seen as racist stopped social workers saving up to 1,400 children from sexual exploitation at the hands of Asian men in just ONE TOWN
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2734694/It-hard-appalling-nature-abuse-child-victims-suffered-1-400-children-sexually-exploited-just-one-town-16-year-period-report-reveals.html
European ‘No-Go’ Zones for Non-Muslims Proliferating
“Occupation Without Tanks or Soldiers”
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2367/european-muslim-no-go-zones
Migrants change UK forever: White Britons ‘will be in minority by 2066′
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/396390/Migrants-change-UK-forever-White-Britons-will-be-in-minority-by-2066
Try To Get Your Head Around This – Sweden Is Gone, Sweden Is Finished
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhstVDWsetM
Through its attachment to the twin ideologies of mass immigration and cultural diversity, the Labour party tore apart the bonds of solidarity that once held our country together
http://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/leo-mckinstry/351316/Mass-immigration-has-been-a-total-disaster-for-the-UK
Last ğ me I checked Britain and Sweden were well functioning societies with good economies. The Muslim rape gangs in Malmo is a white supremacist myth, the issue in England came about in part because people who should have known better did not speak up and in part because they were aided and abetted by white taxi drivers and white community leaders. It was not an exclusively Muslim thing. Were asylum seekers in direct provision involved?
@ahippo
do you read comments or even understand English? Typical response to the muslim rape gangs, saying they don’t exist, I suppose the ones in UK are invisible or another white supremacist myth, everything seems to be a white supremacist this or that in your book. Thanks for helping make Europeans more vulnerable to attack, is it your way of reaping revenge on a society you hate simply bcoz of your own personal experience. Those countries are not as well functioning as they used to be, thus that is a decline, a falling apart, they are not getting any better, they are continuing to get worse, that is falling apart. Ignore the crime reports and the Express saying multulturalism has torn Britain apart. Immigrants give rise to descendant generations that are destructive, you will note most of the ISIS from Britain and the west are not first generation immigrants but their children. You also ignore that flooding European ethnic homelands with non Europeans changes the nature of Europe as proven with the above.
Why on earth do we need so many different groups/quangos supporting asylum seekers, And what is the renumeration for these CEO/Directors? and do these groups want Ireland to have no checks at our borders.
Fair ball to you Natalie. You are wasting the PC NATION WRECKERS with intelligent argument. Something from my experience PC,s can only aspire to. IRELAND especially the youth are waking up to this LET EM ALL IN VIRUS. Hope springs eternal.
You think so paddy? Says something about your appreciation of intelligence.
@ahippo
why so bitchy and angry ?
Thank you Mr. Talbot. Your blog page is really fab, it looks great. You say you stood for election against immigration, fair play to you, it must have been very hard considering the range of hate propaganda ranged against you, well done. I think you can take a bow for helping piling on the pressure to the establishment that the unheard majority was not happy about the massive influx of people we have no idea about coming into the country, no doubt it all helped to the massive resistance against it today, thank you for your efforts for Ireland.
How many votes did he get ?
Do you support his views on Gay people Nartalie
I am in recent times been targeted by a homophobic anti immigration small cabal on journal.ie..as I challenge their views on immigration and on keeping Ireland ethnically pure. I
will not be bullied by this person or persons. I have heard of this happening others but we have to keep speaking out.
The intimidation is subtle and occurs generally with posts / comments after the majority of people have stopped viewing a story.
As I oppose the draconian anti gay laws in Russia I am been accused of been against laws to stop gay people preying on children.Sick people or person posting this.
I am sorry if this is off point from this specific story but I feel people need to know it and yes there is legitimate anger over the immigration process but beware of people who are trying to get support for a much more extreme agenda
So you’re saying we’re a nation of racists, homophobes and bullies. Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion.
Build a bridge
No I am talking of a small group of racists and my experience.
I do not know how you drew the conclusion you did from my post ? Did you
even read it ?
What I said was
” I am in recent times been targeted by a homophobic anti immigration small cabal on journal.ie “
That’s what I got from the undertone of your comment, surely you haven’t seen racist comments on the journal as I’m sure there not allowed.
maybe you should look at what I actuallyhad said about intimidation by a small group rather than the undertone as you I put it
Have a look at Voice of Vangaurd above posting above a picture from my facebook what is that about ask yourself
Ok so someone who disagrees with your views on immigration is a racist, doesn’t agree with your view on the gay community is homophobic and if they express these views there bullies.
Grand so.
Liberalism is the new fascism.
Pity u do not look at the evidence of what was posted, again I stress by a small group of racists/homophobes who appear to working in unism ,
why for instant would somebody post a photo from my Facebook account on here ? as above
have a look at http://jrnl.ie/1725812 this link….
Of course everybod ywho is concerned about immigration is not a racist..
I do suggest describing somebody as supporting paedophilia because they oppose anti gay laws is homophobic
All the Muslims you would let in a anti gay they favour stoning or beheading treat women like subhumans. And you say you are pro gay and women. Lol
all what muslims Windom ?I have not experienced homphobia nor am I aware of it from any Muslim in Ireland…you do know that some muslims are gay….The only homphobia I experienced here is from one or two accounts (probably same aperson ) who post in similar vein to you
And just to be clear you are opposed to immigration by any Muslim then ?
@Caoimhin
you state here
“I challenge their views on immigration and on keeping Ireland ethnically pure.”
Are you saying that every ethnicity in the world has NO RIGHT to exist as they are ?
No I am not, what a ridiculous question ethnicities exist …why I would I want any ethnicity not to exist
It appears an un-popular thing to say out what is my experience..so be it , it is my truth .All I can say have a look for yereselves and see the veracity of what I say
And where’s NatalieReaves when you dont need her/him/it ?
You may have spoken too soon
@Denis
nice of you to show the hate behind the multicultural immigration-pushers, calling a human being an “it”. You see people who express the rights of their ethnic group usually have no hate towards others, but people who are into immigration and multiculturalism, are usually people who have a lot of hate but use the image of them being humanitarians, as a facade for trying to pass themselves off as the good guys, when they are seething voids of hate.
You are the one displaying hate Reaves. You are an odious little person of limited knowledge and less intellect. 14-88-18 the number code you live by?
@ahippo
it was you who showed your true hate colours last night:
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Is that a Jewish name Natalie.. the female form of Nathan? Related to Bibi Netanyahu? And Reaves, is that not a good English name. How Irish are you Nat? Share your name with Rothschilds do you? Are you a race hater.. born jewish but cant cope with it? Low self esteem? A bit fat? Comfort eater? You seem to know a fair bit about the social? Do you do anything useful? Like work? Could you maybe go occupy a building site in Clongriffin or hold a placard in Clonskeagh? Or stand in the arrivals hall in Dublin Airport with a sign that says fackorffornner in your best yiddish accent? Or maybe just curk up, dry out and die.
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You don’t get it do you Natalie? I was displaying the kind of prejudice and twisted thinking you come up with. They are black they must be attacking my culture. They are asylum seekers they must be spongers. They are not entitled to defile Ireland. But you with your English name are from immigrant descent. Natalie of course is not Jewish but from Latin for Christmas. I have no idea what you are like in appearance or general personality but I can indulge in some prejudiced and irrational thinking just as you do. And you say that what I wrote was the most hateful thing you have seen on the journal and yet I find what you write to be far more offensive and hateful than anything I have said. But your lack of self knowledge means you do not see that. Your lack of knowledge means you don’t understand what is being said.
You claim to deal in facts but all of your spite is emotional and your appeal is to the heart. Nothing you have said can be substantiated. European countries and societies are not falling apart because of immigration. There are parts of cities that have social problems, but they are the same social problems of most marginalised and disadvantaged areas in any city. But you are so full of hate that you see this as purely a problem of skin colour. That is a fact.
@ahippo
you’ve a habit of trying to schmooze away your own hateful poison, sorry but I don’t believe a word you say neither do most who read your anti-Irish hate poison too.
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When have I ever said anything anti Irish. I am proud of our ancient tradition of hospitality and the welcome we have extended to all. Wgat did our Gaelic ancestors say should be dine to those who fail to offer hospitality? Do you know? Or is that part of our heritage we must firget in your brave new all singing all dancing celtic purity.
@ahippo
Saying this to an Irishwoman is anti-Irish for a start
ahippo said
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calling people racist for being against immigration or attacking them for their right to defend their ethnicity and ethnic country is also anti Irish, as well as being anti every other ethnicity who wants to claim their ethnic right to exist and their exclusivity claim to their own homelands. The celts also used to defend their lands, they were hospitable to those who they invited as guests, who were usually then left, and certainly not multitudes of foreign tribes flooding into their teritories, anytime that happened, there was war, the celts defended themselves and sent them packing or at least had the right to and tried to. The only thing new is your multicultural immigration pushing, we did not have africans or arabs here, unless it missed you, the ethnic Irish are not mixed race but white, so if you are going to say celtic purity of a western European type is relatively pure compared to the global mix of all ethnicities flooding in here now
theres nothing new about Irish relative sameness, that can be extended out to all western Europeans, same goes for all races, Africans are more like Africans then us.
More About Genes – The Irish Really are a race apart
By Dr. Emmeline Hill
Men with Gaelic surnames coming from the west of Ireland are descendants of the oldest inhabitants of Europe.
http://www.insideireland.com/sample19.htm
Gaelic surnames prove that we’re a race apart
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gaelic-surnames-prove-that-were-a-race-apart-26122593.html
I have not called you racist and pointing out to you that your speech is full of hate is not anti Irish it is anti you.
You don’t understand those papers… If you did You and your pals would not keep quoting them.
@ahippo
Actually pointing out that anyone who makes an argument FOR why any ethnicity is allowed to exist as they are, IS hatred of that ethnicity, you are arguing against the argument I make and not me the person, if you are arguing against me, that is hate against me, if you are arguing against my points that is hate against the point that I make, which is that the Irish ethnicity have a right to exist as they are without any mass immigration. Personally I believe you have hate both for me AND the Irish, twas yourself who told me to dry up and die, that is hatespeech, I on the other hand have not done any hatespeech.
PROFIT BEFORE ASYLUM SEEKERS
The visit by the Minister for Equality, New Communities and Culture Aodhain O’Riordáin to Globe House Sligo on the 17th Day of October this year is a visit of hope for all asylum seekers in the Direct Provision System in this country. It is a visit of realization of the great hopes and aspirations which over the years we have held so dear to our hearts as victims of violence and torture, institutionalized living and unholy circumstances beyond human expectations and an asylum seeker’s comprehension. The plights of asylum seekers in this country is something beyond human judgement because experience is the best teacher. We believe the visit of the Minister has energized us, reinforced our destiny and become a source of hope to end the daily nightmares in our lives. How effective this visit and the work of the working committee set up by the Justice Department will be to right the wrongs and injustice in our lives will be that for which history and posterity will vindicate the just.
Seeking asylum in this country is not a crime against humanity, but a necessity as victims of circumstance in our quest to seek solace, love, safety and security of life, and sanctuary in this great nation, as we do not wish to go back to bad dreams. Even people who have created heinous and abominable crimes in society are often granted pardon and are more likely to be eligible for parole after serving a part of their sentence. But here we are as asylum seekers in Ireland with institutionalized living, dehumanized without dignity to human existence and not knowing what tomorrow will bring. Many of us have been living in the hostels with two or three people in a single room, and a family of six or less with children are confined to a single room for a period of up to fourteen years or less as the individual case may be or may not be.
Though we advocate for the abolition of the Direct Provision System, we must confess that the length of time that residents have been living in the Hostel is very unfortunate. (Residents live here for years up to 10 years already). Here in these hostels we grow old, our babies grow up to become teenagers, our parents and relations grow old back home and die without being able to be part of their funeral ceremonies. We weep here in silence inside our little crowded rooms on top of our beds, there is none to care. It is like walking in a lonely street. We become helpless and hopeless, there is nothing we can do. We weep and cry in vain. As we kill the time, the time kills us. Like sheep in the field, we do not know when the chicken will come to roost. Hope turns to despair.
The numbers of children that reside in the hostel, and the negative impacts that the length of their stay has had on their safety, protection and physical and mental well-being is a matter of great concern. These children are innocent and have become victims of circumstance in a vicious system in human lives. We seem to forget, that these children are the future of tomorrow. The question is that what lessons are we teaching these children? What legacy are we leaving behind for the future generation? They should be allowed to own their own rooms in their own houses like normal human beings, like their school mates in the class or peer group in the creche. Children born into this system and who grow up in it do not know the difference between a house and a room. All they know and grow up in is a single room without privacy between couples and their innocent children. Their eyes are forced daily to see certain things their eyes were never meant to see. They look at each other daily inside the room, love turns to hate. Anger becomes mental problems. The mind starts to think of what it should never have thought about. This continues for years until comedy or tragedy strikes. There is none to care.
Yet, all the money being paid by tax payers in this country for the rehabilitation process of asylum seekers do not go to homeowners or into the micro economy, but direct into the coffers of the treasury of those appointed by the Refugees Integration Agency, RIA to manage the affairs of those in the Direct Provision System. It is a draconian system of putting profit before human dignity and a right to fundamental human life. The opportunity cost of Direct Provision System is the pains, tears, and suffering of asylum seekers and the children in this institutionalized poor and unholy living conditions. An asylum seeker who gets a weekly social welfare check of about 186 euros, only gets 19 euros 10 cents as cash for miscellaneous expenses. The rest goes to the brokers or the business concern given the responsibility to perpetuate the issues of Direct Provision System of the asylum determination process in the name of the Irish public. Because of this business, and like the mines, mine owners and miners, human wants and needs as well as human dignity to life and a better tomorrow has become a financial concern of profit before people. That is why it survived for too long and for so long when in fact it was meant to be a temporary system not supposed to last for more than six months in the life of mother and child.
We are being discriminated against by not being afforded the opportunity for educational growth and development. We are not being allowed to study for FETAC 5 and in the tertiary institutions such as the IT and University. This is a deprivation of human rights and an affront on our progress. This is not healthy for our physical and mental health, and the health of this nation’s economy. We should be given the opportunity to contribute our quota to intellectual development, skills acquisition, and provide a buffer tank for ready-made labour to the labour market in this country. We want to use our educational growth and development to contribute our quota meaningfully to the social, political and economic growth of this great nation, and strive to make this country one of the greatest nations on earth. We want to be like such people like Bill Gates, great actors and actresses, great technicians and engineers, great medical doctors and physicians, great scientists, great contemporary artists and strive to be the best that we are as true ambassadors to the land of our birth. We cannot do this if we are educational hampered and jeopardized, and our potentials and mental development washed down the drain.
The unknown length of time that it is taking to process our applications is terribly long whereby eating deep into the pockets of tax payers in this country. There are people in this hostel who are married to Irish citizens and those with Irish born kids. Their applications are stalled for years. Other residents have lived in rooms for years, eating the same food for ages on end, not being allowed to eat whatever we wish to eat like normal human beings while our applications are in limbo. Whether we like the food or not: whether we eat the food or not: whether we sleep in the boarding or not, whether we miss your meals or other rations or not, and are hungry: like a tickling time bomb, business goes on for years. The Irish people are quiet because they were not rightly informed about the state or fate of asylum seekers in the land of their birth. And if an asylum seeker stays away from this hostel for more than three days without signing the attendance register, even the 19 euros and 10 cents for that week will go back to the social welfare system, confiscated. If we work and pay tax, we are forced to return the earnings back to the system. They do not care to know if the earnings was meant to pay a child’s school fees or for food back home. They do not care to know if it was for an aging mother back home or for her medications. Even so, we are prohibited to work like prohibited persons. That is the way life goes on in this system.
All these take us back to bad dreams as we face our daily nightmares. During this application processing period, all that is expected of us is to eat and sleep for years without being able to use our energy for meaningful growth and development in this country. Any man and woman on earth who eats and sleeps without doing anything meaningful for community growth and development is like a garden full of weeds, or a tree that does not bear fruit. There is a lot we must be allowed to do for community growth and development and give back to the Irish people who kept us and nourished us.
With proper education and skills acquisition comes employment. The impact of this length of time on our capacity to enter employment and educational opportunities is very precarious. We need to be allowed to work and contribute to the economy of this nation and pay our tax as tax payers. We must not be allowed to waste away and become like rotten potatoes. This is because the longer time we are not allowed to work, the more we rot and waste away. Our mental and physical health is greatly disturbed and completely demoralized. We believe we have been dehumanized without opportunity for true integration process into the Irish society. We have been segregated and confined in the Direct Provision System. Our fundamental human rights to live like normal human beings in society have been grossly and unjustly violated. They take from us what they say they are giving to us. They undo to us what they say to the Irish people they do for us. There is none to care. That is why this present Irish government is responsive and determined in every way and by every means to end the daily nightmares in our lives in the reformation of the system.
The Irish people are very humane and receptive and are known to be a society built upon the foundation of love for one another. Asylum seekers in this country need to be given true love and sanctuary and be allowed opportunity for true integration process into this loving Irish society in a legacy of goodwill, togetherness and love, because one does not fix appointments with fate. We asylum seekers are prisoners of conscience asking and begging for love like a Christmas tree. We should be pardoned and given parole, an opportunity to become tax payers, and contribute to the growth of the economy of this nation. We need opportunity to try and become better people in the life of this great nation and become on the long run employers of labour and laborious because there is dignity in labour. We want to be able to promote the tourism industry through industry, enterprise, music, art and culture. We ask that our lives be saved by being given safety and security of life. It is our hope that the positive impact we make in the life of this great nation will be tooled in gold in the annals of history. Even though we cannot be perfect, we can at least be given a chance to try and do something for the common good of society. In God we trust.
By; Joe Odiboh
Chairman: Globe House Residents Union
Contact: 0899732818
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(Globe House Residents Union)
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