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Fianna Fáil think-in will be very different to party meetings of previous years

The Fianna Fáil think-in gets underway today in Cavan, with Micheál Martin likely to again face pressure from his own party colleagues.

FIANNA FÁIL’S PARTY think-in which begins in Cavan today heralds two things: the start of the party conferences for the larger political parties as well as the new autumn term of politics. 

Last year there were no party think-ins due to Covid-19, with political parties instead opting to hold their respective events over Zoom.

Many hope the return of the party gatherings will mark the return to ‘normal’ operations in Irish politics, with the focus shifting away from Covid towards other pressing issues like housing and health. 

However, this year’s two-day think-in at the Slieve Russell Hotel will be very different to party meetings in the years gone by.

Fianna Fáil’s party think-ins were notorious raucous events during the Celtic Tiger years, but the shenanigans came to an abrupt end in 2010 when former Taoiseach Brian Cowen had to deny being hungover during an early-morning radio interview following the conference in Galway.

While pints were still had in subsequent years, a more somber tone had to be struck.

Following Fianna Fáil TD Barry Cowen writing to fellow party members calling for a special in-person meeting to address the Dublin Bay South by-election and 2020 general election results, the members will meet for their first in-person parliamentary party meeting in over a year.

The key parliamentary party meeting will get underway at 3pm today and run until 7pm before resuming at 8pm.

The party has decided to skip a big dinner for all present due to Covid-19, with attendees told to book their own table at the hotel and sort out their own food. 

While housing, mental health, Brexit and the Northern Ireland protocol are all on the agenda over the two days, the real thing to watch for will be whether there will be any flashpoints over Micheál Martin’s leadership.

Micheál Martin’s leadership

Questions over Martin’s ongoing leadership of the party were raised after the party’s poor Dublin Bay South by-election result in which the party secured just 4.6% of the vote. 

There has also been a focus on whether he will take on the role as Tánaiste when the office of Taoiseach switches to Fine Gael under the coalition deal and whether he will lead his party into the next general election. 

More recently, the Zapponegate affair and questions over the authority the Taoiseach has in holding Fine Gael ministers to account have been raised.

So delicate will the debate be on the party’s future, it has been suggested that party TDs, Senators and MEPs should put their mobile devices in a container at the side of the room when the parliamentary party meets today.

A list of 15 Fianna Fail TDs who would back a motion of no confidence in Martin has been doing the rounds since before the summer.

The list is still four names short of the necessary 19 to win a no confidence vote.

Yesterday, Education Minister and Kerry TD Norma Foley dismissed the list as mere speculation.

When asked what sort of impact such a list will have on discussions in Cavan over the two days, one party source said it would not take a “political Einstein” to draft such a list.

They predicted that today’s parliamentary party meeting will see a “fair bit of rough and tumble”, but ultimately Martin will come out of it unscathed.

They said if he deals with the criticisms from party members, and actions are put in place to reform and make the changes needed, then he should stumble on.

Election results

Part of the meeting will focus on analysing the party’s result in the last general election. A report – though over a year old – will be presented to members by the party’s chair TD Sean Fleming.

Fianna Fáil had expected to make gains at the 2020 general election – and did manage to return more TDs than either Sinn Féin or Fine Gael – but ended up losing seven seats, dropping from 45 before the election to 38. 

Party sources said the report is fairly outdated now, with members only seeing it today, many, many months since the February 2020 election.

The report, 44 pages long, cites the lack of strategic oversight, and responding too slow to issues during the election as some of he key problems during the election. 

It finds that the confidence and supply arrangement it had with Fine Gael when they held power  “pushed the party too close to government” and “hampered” the Fianna Fáil’s ability to provide opposition to government policies.

The referendum on the Eighth Amendment and the party’s stance is also cited, stating that “many members of the public felt the party was not in tune with modern social issues in Ireland”.

It also mentions that younger voters have “no recollection” of some of the party’s successes in government in the decades gone by, and many are not loyal party voters.

As a result, the report states that young people now need to be central to defining the party’s identity. A survey shows the majority of Fianna Fáil members aged under 65 believe the party does not have a distinct identity and this fed into their election result.

Other recommendations contained in the report include that younger candidates must be prioritised in any upcoming elections and that as a “matter of urgency” an action plan to progress gender equality across all levels of the party must be developed.

As regards the party leadership, the report found that some interviews with party members voiced criticism that Martin “overly focused” on Sinn Féin during the election. 

Speaking on RTÉ Radio yesterday, TD Jim O’Callaghan – one of the leading contenders to be the next party leader – said: “I think a lot of people don’t know anymore what Fianna Fáil stands for.”

That is one question the party will be seeking to answer over the next couple of days.

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    Sep 9th 2021, 6:43 AM

    They should just vote to dissolve the party before the electorate do it for them on election day.

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    Mute Alan Wright
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    Sep 9th 2021, 6:20 AM

    Haha, “Fianna Fáil think-in”. Now there’s an oxymoron if ever I heard one.

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    Sep 9th 2021, 7:49 AM

    It sounds to me that the report is focusing mostly on how to win votes, and not on how to improve our country. If politicians focused on bettering our nation, the votes would follow. Or am I being naive?
    Either way, FF are burying themselves while Martin is in charge. He couldn’t care less about the country, let alone the party, and in my opinion is just trying to ride out the time until he gets Taoiseachs pension. If FF have any hope they need to get rid of him. Or maybe it’s a good thing as he will be the end of FF at last

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    Sep 9th 2021, 9:32 AM

    @HectorPickaxe: well said

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    Sep 9th 2021, 9:52 AM

    @HectorPickaxe: exactly right. How to stay in power at all costs, nothing to do with how to better the country … oh and how to squeeze the last drop of tax out of everyone!

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    Sep 9th 2021, 7:28 AM

    A think-in? Or get everyone together to come up with ideas and excuses to deflect away from their disregard and incompetence of the job they are not doing well at?

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    Sep 9th 2021, 7:16 AM

    Just disband and regroup under a new name. The brand is dead.

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    Sep 9th 2021, 7:24 AM

    The last time FF had a proper think in Sean Lemass was party leader…………

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    Mute John Harkin
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    Sep 9th 2021, 6:32 AM

    No doubt it will be like a Party meeting from Orwell’s 1984.

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    Mute David Van-Standen
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    Sep 9th 2021, 8:58 AM

    They spent the lifetime of the last government in a cosy arrangement with FG that was a quasi coalition, for the duration of the present government they are in an actual coalition with FG and the Greens, but today they are going to have a think in, to reassert themselves as an opposition party to fight the next election!

    The only people more deluded than these self-serving politicians in FF and FG, are the people that blindly vote for them in every election, without once holding them to account for their actions.

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    Sep 9th 2021, 7:36 AM

    There’s many political actions happening without thinking and much thinking happening without actions…If they can not resolve that conundrum there is hardly any point in a think in……I think.

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    Mute Neil Neart
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    Sep 9th 2021, 8:18 AM

    Too much dead wood in FF. They love giving the impression of doing constituency work but achieve little. Totally out of touch with the real issues of real people. Head office needs a clear out. Policy formulating processes comprise “give me an idea that sounds good” rather than any serious strategic evaluation of community needs. Style over substance. Micheal Martin has proven he is not a good leader, but may be the best of what exists within the FF Universe.

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    Sep 9th 2021, 8:28 AM

    They should have a party as it’s unlikely to have another opportunity ..FF the PDs of the next election…..

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    Sep 9th 2021, 8:34 AM

    Barry Cowan….he hasn’t gone away, you know…

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    Sep 9th 2021, 7:39 AM

    The ff think in is taking place in fgs back pocket

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    Sep 9th 2021, 9:36 AM

    Stopped voting for this gang after the crash along with the Greens.

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    Sep 9th 2021, 8:49 AM

    What a complete shambles of a party, they were bad going into gov. and with the fine leadership of MM they have managed to become even worse. Nothing but FG’s female dog’s

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    Sep 9th 2021, 9:22 AM

    @Derek Lyster: Have you seen the alternative dog.

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    Sep 9th 2021, 10:45 AM

    @Tim Quigley: You mean F.G. Wonder will Varadkar and Coveney send messages of thanks to Martin for his unwavering support in trying to get them off the hook concerning Varadkar ‘s leaking of confidential government documents and Coveneys Zappone fiasco. The spineless Taoiseach Martin will need all the help he can get .

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    Sep 9th 2021, 9:21 AM

    They’ll be using white envelopes instead of brown?

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    Sep 9th 2021, 11:07 AM

    Fianna Fail Think-In

    Cavan 9/9/21

    “How we get the power back and use that power to shaft every single citizen in the country by diverting taxpayers wealth to ourselves and our “partners”, also known as project “Feather My Own Nest”. We will achieve this by not investing in the Health Service, in Transport, in Justice or any other sector unless it has some benefit for the golden circle party members. Collusion with Fine Gael optional but not preferable. The Willie O’Dea model of hanging around for decades, achieving nothing and taking maximum “money, money, money” will be our main approach”

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    Sep 9th 2021, 10:41 AM

    FF traitors and turncoats. They will have to vote confidence in a FG Minister soon. How embarrassing is this going to be in the history of our State. A Civil war party endorsing a rival FG minister with a bad memory and a wonky phone. Don’t know on my door you cheating,immoral,unethical party.

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    Sep 9th 2021, 10:50 AM

    What is their support level at this stage. 9-15% ?

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    Sep 9th 2021, 11:44 AM

    Unfortunately for Fianna Fail, they have little clue as to their own constitution, what the party now stands for at constitutional level, what constitutional differences there are between them and others – and on top of that, they have become synonymous with being attacked to Fine Gael.

    Mr Martin and his constant defence of his political foes, is certainly not helping. Let’s be honest. If he wasn’t in office with them, he and the whole Fianna Fail party would be up in arms many times over since January 2020 at the antics of Fine Gael members alone. Instead, now Mr Martin and his party are sucking up to their old foe, turning a now regular blind eye to their antics and being their lapdog.

    Fianna Fail fans and members might not like it – but the public sees this and more. It’s no wonder the Fianna Fail Party is declining in support. They doom themselves and do so in big part by still allowing their own top people to help dig the party grave.

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    Sep 9th 2021, 11:48 AM

    @UnitedPeople #StopCETA: TYPO ERROR: * They have become synonymous with being ATTACHED to Fine Gael.

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    Sep 9th 2021, 1:13 PM

    Rumours abound ‘The Paymaster’ himself has organised this sit down in Cavan.

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