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Harris moves to ease energy price concerns after Martin claims FG VAT plan would trigger rate hike

Fianna Fáil plans to benchmark energy network costs against other OECD countries.

LAST UPDATE | 10 Nov 2024

MICHEÁL MARTIN HAS raised concerns about Fine Gael’s plan to reduce the VAT rate for the food and hospitality sector to 11% stating that “the problem with going to 11% is gas and electricity prices would have to be brought to 11% as well”. 

Fianna Fáil manifesto pledges to keep the 9% VAT on gas and electricity bills for the next 5 years in a bid to keep costs low for customers.

The government originally cut VAT on domestic gas and electricity from 13.5% to 9% in 2022, but it has been extended for the last two years. 

If it were returned to the higher rate of 13.5% it would add around another €65 a year to the average electricity bill.

His comments come as one of the first election campaign disagreement among party policies has emerged over the VAT issue. 

Fianna Fáil leader Micheál Martin told The Journal this week that the cost-of-living is coming up on the doors as he canvasses around the country.

Tackling the cost-of-living and high energy costs is understood to be a core pillar in the party’s election strategy.

However, Taoiseach Simon Harris moved to allay any fears today, promising today that “there is more to come” on his party’s cost-of-living measures.

Harris said: “We can’t say to business people ‘we can’t help you, because we also have to help householders’.

“Governments have to be able to do more than one thing at a time, and let me assure you, and most importantly, assure people getting electricity and energy bills: you haven’t heard from Fine Gael yet on our policy proposals in relation to that.”

He added: “There is more to come though in our cost-of-living measures, because we’re absolutely, absolutely committed to helping people with the electricity and energy bills.”

Responding to Martin’s criticism, he said gym memberships would not increase as Fine Gael was introducing a separate tax credit.

Harris said: “We have also said we’re introducing a tax credit for gym membership worth €50.

“So let’s say your gym membership is €500 euro, you go up to €509 if the VAT changes, but it’ll come down by the €50 tax credit, so gym membership costs will fall under the Fine Gael plan.

I know Micheál is into the fitness, although I think he’s more a walker than a gym man.

Electricity bills 

The manifesto, which is due to be published next week, will also outline that the party intends to reduce the Public Service Obligation (PSO) levy on households’ electricity bills by up to €100.

The Commission for the Regulation of Utilities (CRU) announced earlier this year that network charges would kick in for customers from last month, adding an average of €100 to customers’ bills, 

The charge, which equates to around €8.40 a month, is required to fund investment in the electricity grid. 

However, the party is proposing a switch to direct funding by the Exchequer of the Renewable Electricity Support Scheme, which would in turn, reduce the PSO levy on households. 

Speaking in Cork yesterday, Martin said his party is committed to keeping the the 9% VAT rate for electricity gas prices. 

The Fine Gael proposal of 11% would, in turn, increase energy costs for businesses and households, said Martin.

“That’s something I think that we have to reflect on. We don’t want to be increasing gas and electricity prices for homes and for businesses. Incidentally, it also increases membership fees for gyms across the country. They’d have to come from 9% to 11%,” he said.

Minister for Finance Jack Chambers said Fine Gael’s plan would directly lead to a 2% increase in the energy bills of every business and every household in the country.

“On the one hand, they are proposing to reduce the VAT rate for hospitality, while on the other hand they are increasing the VAT rate for all business, including hospitality.This move is regressive,” he said.

“Fianna Fáil will deliver a permanent 9% VAT rate on gas and electricity for 5 years, lowering costs for every business and household.

“Our proposals fully fund retaining a lower rate of tax on energy bills for everyone, and also provide separate direct aid for businesses and the hospitality sector in particular.

“Fine Gael’s proposal for an 11% rate will lead to an increased tax on gym memberships, which is very unfair to tens of thousands of people who value being a member of their local gym.”

Fianna Fáil, if in government next time around, also plan to benchmark energy network costs against other OECD countries.

Irish households paying high energy bills

The move comes after Eurostat revealed in recent weeks that households in Ireland are paying for the second most expensive electricity in the European Union.

A household using both electricity and gas is paying around €500 more a year for their energy compared with the average in other European countries.

There is also a pledge contained in the manifesto to ⁠⁠publish an independent investigation into the speed and extent of passthrough from wholesale prices to retail prices, so as to  provide transparency to consumers.

A number of ministers have raised concerns in recent months about the slow pace in which energy operators are passing on cost reductions to consumers. 

Party sources state the overall aim is to ensure that consumers see a reduction in their bills when companies wholesale prices fall.

In this year’s budget, it was announced that two €125 energy credits would be paid to all households. 

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    Mute Kevin Whyte
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    Aug 26th 2013, 10:20 AM

    People, not parties,, are elected to Dáil Éireann.
    Depriving TDs speaking time because of internal party matters is an affront to democracy.

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    Mute James Paul
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    Aug 26th 2013, 10:48 AM

    Kevin, all TD’s have the right to speak, but there is an order placed upon that right so that the larger parties are afforded the opportunity first, representative of their greater respresentative clout.

    This system is required for the efficient and orderly debate of particular issues.

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    Mute JCcVprP4
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    Aug 26th 2013, 10:54 AM

    If you want to priorotise certain TD’s based on electoral clout then give the TD with the most votes priority. Not the party with most members.

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    Aug 26th 2013, 10:57 AM

    If they can’t speak get the system changed or get rid of them with no pension or perks

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    Mute Kevin Whyte
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    Aug 26th 2013, 10:58 AM

    The purpose of the meeting today is to secure speaking rights for the affected group, made up of former FGs.
    I may be reading it wrong but it seems to me these TDs had speaking rights as FG members which they lost when they lost the Party whip.
    They now want to obtain speaking rights as in their own right.

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    Mute Kerry Blake
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    Aug 26th 2013, 11:50 AM

    Democracy in action preventing some from speaking in the Dail because they disagreed about party policy. So much for Enda’s claim to be reforming how government works.

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    Mute Zoe Daly
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    Aug 26th 2013, 6:37 PM

    FG are really trying to punish & humiliate those ‘rebel’ TD’s
    very petty & vindictive

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    Mute Paul Roche
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    Aug 26th 2013, 10:32 AM

    Irish democracy is being revealed for the joke that it is.
    It would appear that Enda and Hulk Hogan have succeeded in bringing us the transparent government they promised.

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    Mute Little Jim
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    Aug 26th 2013, 10:47 AM

    Who could disagree with that comment.
    Methinks Kehoe has activated the YFGbots.

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    Mute James Paul
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    Aug 26th 2013, 10:52 AM

    This system has been in place long before the FG/Lab government came to power and is represented across the chambers of nearly all other western democracies.

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    Aug 26th 2013, 12:27 PM

    Show me a democracy that does not operate in this way.

    This shure we de worst in the world rubbish is physically sickening. Grow a pair of balls ffs and instead of imagining that the world is laughing at you, or that Ireland is the only country with problems, get off your butts and do something.

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    Mute Philip Riordan
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    Aug 26th 2013, 6:33 PM

    doesnt mean it works

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    Aug 26th 2013, 10:06 AM

    This government just keeps digging a deeper political grave for itself with every negative announcement they make.

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    Mute Joe Sixtwo
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    Aug 26th 2013, 9:58 AM

    They have their speaking rights at mass on Sundays

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    Aug 26th 2013, 1:12 PM

    Not that I want to listen to a word from idiot Creighton or fool Timmons …but ain’t it slightly off the wall that elected TDs aren’t allowed to speak…..democracy haw are you !

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    Mute Carcu Sidub
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    Aug 26th 2013, 1:04 PM

    “the coalition has no plans to amend Dáil standing orders”.

    So where is the open and accountable Government we were promised?

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    Aug 26th 2013, 10:08 AM

    Serves them right

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    Aug 26th 2013, 10:19 AM

    Democratically elected Tds not allowed to speak in the national parliament.
    That’s a bad thing, see?

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    Aug 26th 2013, 10:33 AM

    Democracy = a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives. Leaves me to ask, what do you call the present system of government?

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    Aug 26th 2013, 5:56 PM

    Ireland operates a Whipocracy …. NOT a Democracy.

    Whipped TDs vote for vested interests not the interests of those who voted for them.

    Local Property Tax … case in point.

    Revenue voted power by Whipped TDs to get the Anglo Tax from your pay, pension or bank account.

    Hostile action by Government against the electorate … not in Syria …. in Ireland.
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    FB/LocalPropertyTax

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    Aug 26th 2013, 6:13 PM

    I found this out today and it made my blood boil!!! Eammon Gilmore is on €152,000 a year, plus €48,000 ‘expenses’ and he has FIVE advisers on a combined total of €670,000 !! Just him alone is costing nearly 1million. Ffs like.

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    Aug 26th 2013, 8:25 PM

    his ‘expenses’ are almost twice my salary

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    Aug 27th 2013, 12:28 AM

    He also has unvouched allowances
    for example €5000 per year dry cleaning…. !!!!

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    Aug 26th 2013, 6:47 PM

    This is the Taoiseach whose political reform instincts we’re trusting if we abolish the Seanad; he *might* reform the Dáil, but all indications are that he won’t.

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    Aug 26th 2013, 12:09 PM

    yer wan from the Vincent Browne show has nice legs !

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    Mute coincéar
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    Aug 26th 2013, 12:36 PM

    Who is yer wan….???

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    Aug 26th 2013, 12:45 PM

    Vincent?

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    Aug 26th 2013, 2:58 PM

    The wan in the background talking to petey forer banker Matthews ; she’s wearing high heels and she does be on the telly so she does .

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    Aug 26th 2013, 10:45 AM

    The new Labour Party watch this space .

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    Aug 26th 2013, 4:46 PM

    There is nothing to stop these TDs joining the existing technical group in the Dail or forming another technical group with someone like Mattie McGrath. Under the rules of the Dail they only need a minimum of 7 TDs for form such a group in order to gain more speaking rights.

    The reason this isn’t happening is nothing to do with standing orders, but because it would effect the income “entitlements” of those TDs. This is while Healy Rae & McGrath chose not to be in the first technical group. The earn more money by being out of it.

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    Mute Leigh Power
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    Aug 26th 2013, 4:50 PM

    There are 166 TDs in the Dail. If they each were allowed 5 mins a day speaking time then that would be 13 hours and 50 minutes each day excluding votes, debate and questions. Doesn’t seem workable.

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    Mute Chris Hennessy
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    Aug 26th 2013, 8:23 PM

    you are assuming that they all turn up to the Dail every day

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