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Martin Callinan in Templemore today Garda Press

Commissioner “very very satisfied” no members of the gardaí spied on GSOC

Martin Callinan made his first public comment on the bugging saga today, speaking alongside Justice Minister Alan Shatter at a garda event.

Updated at 10.52pm

GARDA COMMISSIONER MARTIN Callinan has said he’s satisfied that the force didn’t bug the offices of GSOC.

Speaking alongside Justice Minister Alan Shatter at an event in Templemore today, Callinan said:

“I want to unequivocally state that at no stage was any member of the Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission or any of its members under surveillance by An Garda Síochána.”

“That was not the case and I relayed that to the Chairman of the Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission when he came to see me last Tuesday and the Chairman in turn assured me that having carried out their investigations that there were no matters of concern arising for An Garda Síochána”

Asked how he could be sure that no ‘rogue elements’ engaged in spying, Callinan said:

“Certainly it’s the case that no member of the Garda Síochána — I am very very satisfied — no member of An Garda Síochána was involved in surveillance of any kind in relation to either the premises or the members of staff of the Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission.

He said that if anybody had any information “that some so-called rogue member of the Garda Síochána or indeed anybody else” had any suspicion that such surveillance was taking place “then I would be very very interested and so would every single member of An Garda Síochána”.

Today’s comments are the force commander’s first public statement on the issue since the story broke last Sunday.

Callinan had put out a press release on Monday night, taking issue with an earlier statement from GSOC, and saying it contained “a clear indication that An Garda Síochána was in some way suspected of complicity in this matter”.

The Commissioner’s comments today come in the wake of Shatter’s appearance on Prime Time last night — in which he declined to state explicitly that he had confidence in GSOC chairman Simon O’Brien.

In the course of his TV interview last night, the Justice Minister also took issue with O’Brien’s public testimony on the issue, and said the GSOC chairman’s comments at an Oireachtas committee on Wednesday diverged from what he had been told in a meeting at the start of the week.

‘Different answers’

Shatter initially called O’Brien in for a briefing on the issue the Monday, a day after reports that the agency had been bugged last year first appeared in The Sunday Times.

GSOC confirmed that night that a UK security firm had carried out a sweep of its Abbey Street HQ in 2013, and that three “technical and electronic anomalies” had been found.

The Minister told the Dáil on Tuesday:

“It has not been established that the offices of the ombudsman commission were under surveillance.”

However — on Wednesday, O’Brien told the Public Oversight Committee:

“I certainly suspect or potentially suspect that we may have been under some form of surveillance.”

Shatter said last night that the information he gave the Dáil had been “based entirely” on the oral and written briefing he’d received from O’Brien on Monday and on GSOC’s press release issued that night.

“In the context of that information, the conclusion was that there was no definitive evidence of any unauthorised technical or other surveillance,” Shatter said.

And when asked about the apparent differences between the two interpretations of what had happened:

“I’m very conscious that Mr O’Brien and the other members of GSOC were at a committee meeting for up to four hours and a series of questions were put to them.

“During the course of that event there were different answers given with regard to particular issues.

“Indeed, some of what was said during the course of that seemed to me to be a little confused or contradictory.”

Shatter stressed that there had been nothing in the oral or written briefing or in the press statement that indicated O’Brien or other GSOC members believed they had been spied upon.

He also said he had written to the Commission, asking it to clarify if it believed it was under surveillance.

Written briefing

The written briefing document has been sent on to members of the public oversight panel — and speaking this morning, chairman of that committee Padraig MacLochlainn said “the concerns that I had have only heightened having read that briefing”.

“In the account given by the minister, he clearly sought to talk down the three identified anomalies or threats,” McLochlainn told RTÉ’s Morning Ireland.

“He used a number of terms that were clearly seeking to say ‘nothing to see here, move on’.”

McLochlainn, who is also the Sinn Féin justice spokesman, said he was “stunned” at difference in what Shatter had told the Dáil and what the GSOC chairman told the committee the following day.

Confidence

In the course of last night’s interview, Shatter was also asked whether he had confidence in O’Brien as chairman of the agency.

He replied:

“I have confidence in GSOC.

I appreciate that members of GSOC had a four hour hearing in front of an Oireachtas Committee at which very many members of that committee put questions to them.”

Asked again about the issued today he said:

I have confidence in GSOC, I have confidence in the GSOC Commission. I’m not going to differentiate between individual members because it’s the commission and they make decisions collectively.

Asked a second time by RTÉ’s Paul Reynolds if he had confidence in the three members of the commission, Shatter said:

“I’ve confidence in the members of the commission, I have confidence in GSOC, but I’m not going to distinguish in any shape or form between individual members. They are a collective group, they perform as a commission, they don’t effectively or essentially perform on an individualised basis.”

First published 1:39pm

Read: Shatter rules out independent GSOC inquiry

Related: Oireachtas committee has “grave concerns” about issues raised by GSOC

Also: GSOC prepares to face panel, as commissioner says breach can’t be ruled out

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    Mute Alan O'connor
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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:11 AM

    It’s Shatter I have no confidence in. Methinks this is going to end very badly for the failed novelist.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:41 AM

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/analysis/gsoc-controversy-highlights-the-joke-of-a-democratic-ireland-258710.html

    “The notion that we live in a true democracy is a joke, judging by the response by Government, gardaí, and parts of the media to suspected bug at GSOC offices, says Michael Clifford”

    A must read article!

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:48 AM

    Well of course the media is going to talk about the fact that GSOC didn’t report it to the minister. Why is that surprising. It shows a serious lack of trust between state bodies. That is a story.

    There is no indication who was bugging GSOC at this stage. They can’t write about the bugging because there is almost nothing to write. I literally can’t imagine how you would write a story about it. You can’t accuse anybody or speculate about anybody bugging GSOC because there is zero evidence about who it was. The media would get sued of the face of the earth for speculating who it was. I’m sure they are dying to write about it if they get a chance.

    I have read lots though about the strained relationship between Shatter and GSOC and how he sides we the Gardai. We are a thriving democracy and you must be thick to think otherwise.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:50 AM

    According to the article even Enda is making up laws as he goes along. Something stinks to the high heavens.
    Least people forget governments in this country have fallen for less.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:53 AM

    According to the article…..

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:59 AM

    Yeah Enda said the law said they have to report when the law actually says they may report. It is an easy enough mistake to make and GSOC probably should have reported the fact they thought they were being bugged to the minister, they said so themselves.

    GSOC obviously have issues with the minister because he tends to side with the Gardai. They still should have reported the bugging to the minister and they have admitted this. I don’t think the head of GSOC should resign and the fault also lies with the minister for having such bad relations with GSOC.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:59 AM

    Yeah its not RTE or one of Enda’s buddies rags, so they probably won’t follow the memo from FG HQ.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:01 AM

    Btw Aireach the relevant piece about Enda making up new laws is recorded in the Dail transcript.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:05 AM

    David are you dizzy from all the spinning?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:14 AM

    Has that law changed? No it hasnt. Therefore he isnt “making it up” as you so inaccurately stated.

    His intepretation of it is very different to “making it up” he May well be wrong but he isnt making up laws.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:19 AM

    He quoted a piece of legislation that doesn’t exist, therefore he made it up.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:19 AM

    You keep making vague accusations instead of an actual point. I dunno why I would be spinning since I wouldn’t vote for either of the government parties

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:22 AM

    transparency and accountability is not at work thus the state and the people are being subverted by the few over the many.. time to vote then out

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:25 AM

    Vague David?what accusations have I made? Prey tell.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:26 AM

    And it just so happens it coincides with what he would like the law to be in the circumstances.

    Theres a serious whiff off this.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:33 AM

    Well then what are you so upset about?

    That Enda has quoted a law wrong by saying GSOC is compelled to report when the law actually says they may report. Governments clearly haven’t fallen for less than that. He was wrong about what the laws says.

    Now if Shatter ordered GSOC to be bugged then the government could fall. But so far there is no evidence he did.

    So where’s the beef, Norm? Misquoting a piece of legislation….

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:40 AM

    David sit down before the dizziness overwhelms you, btw I’m not upset just enjoying reading the usual government hacks tie themselves up in knots, you are funny though keep going.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:42 AM

    Vague accusations of Norm.
    “According to the article even Enda is making up laws as he goes along. Something stinks to the high heavens.”"Least people forget governments in this country have fallen for less.”

    Something stinks to high heaven seems to indicate the government is somehow behind the spying.That this is a scandal big enough to bring the government down. E.g. They ordered spying. Or is that not what you mean ? What exactly did the the government do which is big enough for the government to fall?

    “Yeah its not RTE or one of Enda’s buddies rags, so they probably won’t follow the memo from FG HQ.”
    That Fine Gael and Enda Kenny control RTE and parts of he Irish media. That they can manipulate the news and a number of newspapers?
    Again any hard evidence of this Norm? Or did I misinterpret what you mean?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:48 AM

    David take whatever meaning you like from my comments, you will anyway.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:50 AM

    A thriving democracy! We ran the country into the ground within 9 decades of independence. The economic collapse of the country precipitated by catastrophic failures within our system of governance. Does that sound like a thriving democracy to you?

    You’re right about one thing. We don’t know and will probably never know who bugged the GSOC offices. What the penalty points debacle and this scandal do highlight is the dire need for an independent police oversight authority similar to that in the UK or NI. Both the Minister and the Commissioner have a vested interest in preserving the status quo and so any and all problems are played down or hushed up.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:51 AM

    David just a small point on politeness I use your name as you have it, allow me the same courtesy. Only friends and family call me Norm and you are neither.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 12:04 PM

    David, Kenny repeatedly stated the law incorrectly. It’s the first time I saw him certain about anything. He was wrong. It wasn’t an easy mistake to make. It was at best extreme incompetence and at worst a downright lie.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 12:08 PM

    Ssh Scaldy everyone knows Enda doesn’t lie, he just makes mistakes David said so.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 1:03 PM

    No it’s not, anyone with a constant agenda, who offers nothing new becomes Tiresome. He has his knife constantly in the Garda , no matter what the circumstances. Every chance he gets, he is Ian Baileys most vociferous advocate, again using that to criticise the police, but offering nothing but the same old same old, no I’d skip that one and try and find an open minded journalist.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 1:10 PM

    He is not an advocate for Ian Bailey, he just pointed out that the Garda investigation in to Bailey was unprofessional and a disgrace to the force.

    There is no reason, nor was there ever a genuine reason to believe that Bailey killed anyone.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 1:32 PM

    Agreed, this article is as biased as the bias he accuses the indo of extolling all week. In his opening paragraphs he becomes judge and jury and delivers the verdict that nobody else other than the guards have bugged GSOC. A clear lack of lateral thinking and/or impartiality.. So I’ll make up my mind on all of this on Sunday, when the ST reveals all.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 1:44 PM

    Actually I am also a vociferous advocate of Ian Bailey- indeed only last year he spoke for us at the West Cork Philosophical Society. Whatever his alcohol and domestic problems might have been, he is not a murderer- there is zero, that is ZERO (as in the likelihood that GSOC was not bugged is also ZERO) evidence linking him to the murder yet he is still fighting to have his name cleared. He is a very real victim of serious negligence within our justice system, and bear in mind, there aren’t many of us with a completely squeaky clean past so theoretically any one of us could be hauled up and held guilty on a trial by media for a crime we didn’t commit. That’s just wrong whatever way you look at it.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 1:50 PM

    Well seannie, that point is completely obvious , and agreed, but Clifford ‘s exhuberance in defending Bailey, is driven by an agenda against the Gardai, and he certainly is advocating Bailys position as if he was related to him. Certainly not clear minded objective journalism..

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    Feb 14th 2014, 1:53 PM

    Very few people are willing to show ‘exuberance’ in defending Ian Bailey, so successful was the smear campaign against him.

    I can’t speak for anyone else, but my defence of him is driven by passion for the noble idea of ‘justice’.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 2:08 PM

    Well Anne, it certainly worked on me… But do not think for one minuite that Mr Clifford shares your passion , he is on your bandwagon to further his own ” anti police” agenda , which is eating him, you only have to listen to him once, because it’s then repeated ad nausium. What exactly triggered this god knows.. Nonetheless I admire your loyalty , I hope it stays fine for you..

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    Feb 14th 2014, 2:15 PM

    I know nothing about My Clifford, but it is obvious to the dogs on the street that Alan Shatter is doing his utmost to undermine the seriousness of these bugging allegations. That himself and Callinan, who prefers ‘loyalty above truth’, are so tight-knit is very worrying for most level- headed onlookers. It doesn’t help that these transcripts are coming out which have Shatter basically finishing the career of anyone who opposes him- it looks to most of us that he is trying to do that now to O’Brian.

    This whole things stinks of something very very dark and murky.
    Shatter’s response doesn’t make any sense at all.
    I mean, Govt, level surveillance equipment- this is a pretty big deal right?
    Why does he so obviously want it swept under the carpet?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 2:17 PM

    The treatment of Ian Bailey was a scandal.

    I’d like to see it investigated by an independent inquiry to see if there was a conspiracy against him and that they should have judicial powers.

    I think that the Guards involved disgraced the force and the uniform.

    Ian Bailey is not a nice man but he had no more to do with that murder than you or I Gerry.

    I fervently hope that he sues all involved and breaks them.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 2:20 PM

    Start at 40mins:15seconds to figure out what is going on.

    http://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=9%3A10145791%3A1589%3A09-05-2013%3A

    #GSOC would have had to tell the guards to investigate themselves. Authorized or Unauthorized it was the Gardai doing the bugging. Also, it’s very technically possible to identify the line that was doing the bugging #FACT

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    Feb 14th 2014, 2:27 PM

    Ya I’d like to see it gone through forensically from start to finish , and it may yet be done, just on the matter if suing, it’s you and I that will be paying, so be careful what you wish for..

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    Feb 14th 2014, 2:28 PM

    Seanie, my P2 (senior infants) teachers told me that describing anything as ‘nice’ is an insult to the English language! For the record I have always found Ian Bailey to be very polite, well-mannered and interesting.

    I too hope he finally gets his case resolved and is adequately awarded.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 2:38 PM

    @ seanie

    That came up on my Facebook earlier, great read indeed!

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    Feb 14th 2014, 2:39 PM

    Bailey is certainly entitled to massive redress from the state and hopefully will be able to make the people involved pay as well.

    I must stress again my sincere desire that he breaks them financially for the rest of their lives, that is in all our interests.

    I would also think that other cases from that Garda division need to be looked at, if they did it with him maybe it happened before.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 3:12 PM

    Ann, there are NO, I repeat NO allegations of bugging. A ” whistleblower” in GSOC , told the Sunday times, a sweep was done in the middle of the night. NOTHING was found . The two ombudsman commissioners said Nothing was found but there were 3 Anomolies. I’d say ud find more than 3 Anomolies in your house and mine with our 3rd world wifi. As for this BS about government level, bugging, sounds like a seceurity company jargon for finding nothing but being available for another €18.000 of tax payers money to check again. Nothing found but they could be bugged, shur we all could be bugged, but I have like the ombudsman zero evidence of bugging, so I will refrain from suspecting the Gardai , or the government of bugging me. No bugging allegation, so what cover up are you talking about .

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    Feb 14th 2014, 3:21 PM

    As do I Anne , as do I ….

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    Feb 14th 2014, 3:38 PM

    Gerry, they believe they are bugged to the extent that they aren’t doing business on the premises, talking over mobile phones and meeting instead in random cafes…….. and you say there’s nothing going on here chaps! I understood that all evidence in fact weighed in favour of a bugged line- the ‘zero’ chance of the phone ringing coincidentally at that moment, all that.

    There are very, very serious implications around all of this and the ‘Justice’ Minister is doing his level best to make the whole thing vanish with some poxy whitewash and/or blame O’Brian and/or blame the whistleblower. The mole on the inside is a separate and also very serious issue which should also be independently investigated- though one begins to suspect that ‘independent’ is not an idea that sits easily with our current bunch of public representatives.

    Somebody is hiding something Clousaeu- that much is plainly obvious!

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    Feb 14th 2014, 3:51 PM
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    Feb 14th 2014, 4:02 PM

    Anne, what part of ” the people who are supposed to be bugged, saying they have no evidence of bugging” do you and all the rest of the conspiracy theorists not get. No matter how much you want it to be , ain’t gonna make it so. When ex British intelligence couldent find it, I’d safely say it wasn’t there..

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    Feb 14th 2014, 4:18 PM

    I’m not a conspiracy theorist and to be honest, dismissing this as ‘conspiracy theory’ seems really a bit odd, and either intentionally obtruse or pathologically naive.

    ‘No conclusive evidence’ does not in this case seem to mean ‘no evidence’- I understood that everything indicated the phone lines were bugged though as there is no physical ‘bug’ that can be held up and shown to people it can’t be held 100% provable- only indicative.

    But even the fact the GSOC held these suspicions ought to warrant immediate concern for the Justice Minister. That they clearly didn’t trust the matter with either Shatter or Callinan is another very, very serious matter which needs to be addressed.

    Shatter telling O’Brian to ‘consider his position’ does not increase, in any way, public confidence. Quite the opposite in fact.

    The Kieran Boylan thing looks mental too, like the Ian Bailey case, but I don’t know anything about that other than what someone just posted so I couldn’t even speculate.

    The point is that public confidence in An Garda Siochana is being really shaken. The relationship between Shatter and Callinan raises a lot of questions and it looks as though somebody is trying to sabotage GSOC’s inquiries.

    Not a pretty picture, whatever way you want to turn it.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 4:52 PM

    David – I believe that your Facebook Page is a fake – will you own up as to who you are please ?
    Are you Enda or Shatter or Rabbitte or Gilmore… or..or…or ?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 4:55 PM

    Ann isn’t it as likely that the ” bugging” that they were looking for , and not found may I remind you , was in fact ” Mr Mole” who is in fact still in their midst , information was leaking out , conversations were either listened to or passed on by the insider . The bugging thing is a red herring, Occam’s razor , it’s The Mole.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 5:10 PM

    Well, if you’re taking that line, it isn’t rocket science to figure out who might have planted a mole in GSOC……..

    What were GSOC working on out of interest?
    Who stands to gain most by sabotaging them?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 5:24 PM

    Noo again you wanting something to be wrong won’t make it wrong if an organisation had a mole, he would be there for the long haul, why draw all this heat on himself running to a newspaper..no it’s just some guy lured by a few £ , setteling a score or two , if it is in the times on Sunday and anything big comes out , so will he, another whistleblower , then the fun will start..and no bugs, Anne no bugs,..

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    Feb 14th 2014, 5:27 PM

    Sorry Gerry, that does not make sense.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 5:41 PM

    ps. No bug? Maybe no mole either.

    Has it occurred to you that this might be a strategic releasing of information that would otherwise be kept silent, into the public domain?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 5:50 PM

    Time will tell Roll on Sunday.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 7:02 PM

    They can write about the bugging, wait till you see the weekend papers. The device that was found breaks encryption in phones that are registered to a UK network and that’s why Shatter said it was irrelevant. But in fact it can be easily modified to pick up Irish phone data. There’s a big story on its way ;-)

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    Feb 14th 2014, 9:17 PM

    the scandal of it all ..disgusting

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    Feb 15th 2014, 12:22 AM

    @Dagda, I agree, half step ahead of other former colonies at best, rotten structure built around jaded British laws with sly strokesmen calling the shots. I wouldn’t trust the ‘commissioner’ as far as I could throw him.

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    Feb 15th 2014, 7:40 AM

    ” The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.”
    Thomas Paine

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    Feb 15th 2014, 9:34 AM

    Three pictures along side one another herein,, Vincent Brown ,the Commissioner and a burnt out car to me means investigation ,cover up and shredding

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:01 AM

    At this stage every day that Callinan remains as Comm. only serves to undermine public confidence in the force.

    The career extension granted to him by his buddy Shatter has proven a disaster for A.G.S.

    The explosive testimony from the GSOC has finished the line of “nothing to see here”, there is an epic scandal here.

    The state at war with an independent oversight body whose sole mission is to protect society from people abusing power legally or illegally.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:36 AM

    What exactly are you accusing people of?

    As far as I can tell Shatter hasn’t done anything wrong because nothing was reported to him. GSOC probably should have reported the bugging but it makes no difference really because there is no way to figure out who it was.

    Callinan hasn’t done anything wrong yet but his face alone annoys people so he should probably keep his mouth shut. Nobody like each other, everybody wants a scandal and the media want to sell papers.

    Basically somebody was bugging GSOC but we are unlikely to ever find out who. Or what conspiracy do you think happened?

    Nobody likes Shatter but I can’t actually see what he has done wrong here. The penalty points thing sure he was a tool but for this he can only act on the knowledge he is given.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:38 AM

    David, you believe Shatter?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:39 AM

    Believe what? I don’t understand what he is supposed to have done.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:46 AM

    Didn’t enquire about what was suspected? Hence the difference between his statements and what GSOC say was going on.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:47 AM

    Look at the puss on Callinan, how dare small people question him and interrupt his corrupt day

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:55 AM

    You’re going to have to clarify what you mean. Shatter did ask for a briefing from GSOC on what happened.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:14 AM

    Gsco don’t trust shitter and the last head of the gsco said the would nt trust shitter either. Dose that not say enough

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:17 AM

    Ex commissioner Brady of GSOC has also called for an independent inquiry into what has happened at GSOC, Shatter says no wonder why?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:17 AM

    Oh stop David. Thats exactly what shatter wants you to think. “Nothing to do with me pal”. Hold your fire till sunday. Then we will see the whole truth

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:19 AM

    Ill be the first to sing
    “Na na na na…na na na na…hey hey goodbye

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:19 AM

    Its looks pretty clear that GSOC does not trust the minister and chose not to share their concerns.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:21 AM

    Okay so the issue is that Shatter won’t hold an independent investigation, is that it?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:22 AM

    So Leslie you are accusing the minister for justice of ordering the bugging of GSOC. On what basis?

    I mean he might have but there is no evidence he has.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:24 AM

    Just one of many things about this whole mess.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:26 AM

    So Norman you think the minister ordered GSOC bugged then?

    You keep saying it’s terrible but you don’t specify exactly what? That GSOC didn’t report it?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:31 AM

    David funny I don’t remember writing any of what you just stated.
    Your posts however are becoming more similiar to those of an other regular contributor who’s noticeable by their absence.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:31 AM

    Did I say that? I did not. Im holding my powder till sunday. But I will say this, why is he not ordering an enquiry?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:33 AM

    While I wouldn’t go as far as to say ‘corrupt’ – he needs to remember who pays him.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:34 AM

    Grand so we can all agree then that so far Shatter hasn’t done anything wrong and that depending what emerges on Sunday, a impartial inquiry is an option?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 12:59 PM

    So far there may be no evidence in the public domain that Shatter did anything wrong but that does not mean he hasn’t done anything wrong and the manner in which he is reacting to this issue is extremely suspicious. An issue that is as serious as this and he seems so so quick to dismiss it. Surely you would want to investigate , and get to the bottom of it immediately as the Minister for Justice? No? Am I missing something?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 1:32 PM

    Irrespective of what has actually occurred regarding spying, Shatters words and actions to date have given the appearance that he is more concerned about the fact that he wasn’t told rather than the fact that, on the balance of probabilities, somebody was undertaking electronic surveillance against GSOC.

    As such he has demonstrated deeply flawed judgement.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 2:11 PM

    David – on the basis that you are trying to assure yourself by asking over and over and over the same question – I have come to the conclusion that You even have a major doubt now ? Just wait until Sunday next and you may get your answer from John Mooney’s “Deep Throat” ?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 4:26 PM

    Ciarrioch – it seems the info is coming already. Seems Shatter, at best, has been economical with the truth. Sunday could prove very damning for him.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/gsoc-briefing-paper-contains-more-than-shatter-dáil-statement-1.1691878

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    Feb 14th 2014, 9:23 PM

    Seeing as he values loyalty to his colleagues above honesty, how can anybody believe him?

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    Feb 15th 2014, 3:48 AM

    Its not Callinans face that “annoys” people.There is something about a Garda eatablishment that dismisses all judicially non-biased carefully considered findings covering several high profile cases as an in-house problem that is deeply disturbing-almost as disturbing as the craven response of Government pols hell bent on ass covering.LIES WILL OUT.Thank God for people of conscience and integrity in the media and in the institutions of state thate would seek to crush them.Keep it up till truth will out.

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    Feb 15th 2014, 7:19 AM

    Something is rotten in tbe state of Denmark!

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:31 AM

    Shame we have to rely on UK newspapers to get to the facts…

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:11 AM

    Irish crime journalists and papers are too dependent on information leaked by the Guards for column inches.

    If they do not know their place then they will loose that. So they fall in to line and we have obscene spin of the last few days.

    It could very easily bring down this Government, the handling of it in the last few days has severely damaged them. Shatter and FG need to learn that they are not our divine rulers.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:17 AM

    Look I know your FF hack but what exactly has Shatter done wrong. You keep avoiding the question…

    Nobody likes Shatter and he was wrong on the the penalty points and is plain annoying. But how is this his fault?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:42 AM

    Also they {journalists} are removed from their jobs as was the case with Gemma O’Doherty who’s now removed from her post in the indo after exposing penalty points scandal. Check out Sunday times 09/02/14 p5.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:50 AM

    Seanie.. you’ll have to enter rehab for withdrawals when this is over. You’ve gotten yourself into a frenzy of comnents over a nothing story

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    Feb 14th 2014, 2:37 PM

    David he is spot on on this one, the crowd that are accusing him of lying to the Dàil , are now I would say about to get rid of one or all of the ombudsman commissioners , if they lied to the minister, whoever he is , they have to go, they might think they can bully the police but do we want them going rogue and lying to the government and by extension , lying to us , you and me..

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    Feb 14th 2014, 7:55 PM

    How Shatter effectively controls the Irish media:

    “we need to take a glance at Ireland, where a regulatory system enshrined by statute already exists in the form of the Press Council and Ombudsman. Technically, the ombudsman is professor John Horgan, but practically, the responsibility lies with Ireland’s justice minister Alan Shatter. This raises some serious concerns: Shatter has signalled his intention to bring in more formal privacy legislation.

    Irish newspapers – broadsheets in particular – are more conservative than their British counterparts and rarely challenge the status quo. On those few occasions when Irish newspapers go out on a limb, the government is eager to step-in, threatening draconian new privacy laws.”

    - See more at: http://www.cityam.com/article/ireland-shows-why-press-controls-are-not-solution#sthash.OinZrjI9.dpuf

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:10 AM

    GUBU – is alive and well and living in 2014 !
    Can’t wait for Chapter Two of John Mooney’s , Sunday Times article !

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    Feb 14th 2014, 1:00 PM

    I would have thought the Mirror would have been more up your street…

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:28 AM

    So who’s policing the police policers?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 1:05 PM

    Me.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 1:43 PM

    Time to establish Gsococ. Gards can go to them to make up complaints then.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 2:09 PM

    I asked that question earlier this week. Only I did it in Latin so I just got a load of red thumbs.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 2:16 PM

    Emily I gave you a green thumb,
    Non illegitmus carberendum.My spelling is not great but you should get the gist.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 2:26 PM

    gratias tibi Normane. sed lingua Latina mortua est, et ursae in silvam defaceunt.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 2:31 PM

    How about getting them all in a room and filling them with hooch, the. ” in vino veritas” method…

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    Feb 14th 2014, 2:46 PM

    Spoken it is better,agreed my spelling is appalling.

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    Feb 15th 2014, 9:34 AM

    ME

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:07 AM

    I’d say the story lines in shatters books are more believable than the way is spinning this one.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:42 AM

    I’m watching this from the Middle East, and I have to say governments here could learn a thing or two from FG in relation too corruption, nepotism, and pure total incompetence! I want to come home, but issues such as this makes me realise why I can’t.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:06 AM

    Oh grow up Michael and stop making ludicrous comparisons. So you’re in the Middle East, a bastion of liberal democracy and human right and independent Courts. A place known for its adherence to the rights of women overseen by the divine rule of Kings, despots and religious fundamentalists and this is preferable to Ireland? I suppose it is if you don’t have to mix with the long suffering population in that region. The “Middle East” is a big region. What bastion of democracy are you in at present? Saudi perhaps?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:53 AM

    John, you have just made my point! Yes I’m in KSA and compared to Ireland it’s free and open to an Irish man. Live here a while and you would get my point

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    Feb 14th 2014, 12:23 PM

    You’re in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia ? An undemocratic religious fundamental despotic totalitarian State and it’s better than Ireland? You must be earring good money as a privileged westerner. I suppose it’s money that allows you to turn a blind eye to the totalitarian nature of that Kingdom and their treatment of women and minorities. You certainly fit the term “moral relativist”. The fact that you like it so much speaks volumes about you.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 12:31 PM

    Yes I am:)

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    Feb 14th 2014, 1:36 PM

    sounds like Ireland not so long ago.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 2:11 PM

    Wasn’t it one of those middle eastern counties whose Courts convicted & locked up a woman for having sex outside of marriage after she’d been raped!! Yeah, I’d much rather be stuck here in backward corrupt oul Ireland!!

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    Feb 14th 2014, 7:44 PM

    Good man John R.

    Play the man not the ball.

    You’ll be out of that job-bridge internship before you know it.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:11 AM

    Poor old OBrien is fcuked he is far to soft and straight for those two crooks, this has nothing to do with the Guards until they are asked to investigate the matter, so until then keep going about your daily duty of collecting revenue for the state in traffic fines and backing up the sherif with evictions for the banks

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:26 AM

    O’Brien is following the rules and doing his job and this has made him many enemies.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:38 AM

    Ah here Seanie. He probably should have reported the bugging to the minister if not the Guards. Hardly a capital offence though.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:38 AM

    Callinan is like Shatters shadow, I’d say he is blue to the backbone.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:56 AM

    David ever occur to you that the Ombudsman does not trust either Shatter or Garda management. Plus it is entirely up to the Ombudsman if they want to report the matter as per the provisions of the relevant act.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:07 AM

    It is obvious that the Ombudsman doesn’t have good relations with either. But he should still report something as serious as this to the minister. He has admitted this himself. No need to report it to the guards but should still report it to the minister. I’m with the Ombudsman and don’t like Shatter or Callian. But Shatter is still the minister for justice and there is no real reason it wasn’t reported to him.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:10 AM

    David simple yes or no, is the Ombudsman required by law to report them matter to Shatter?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:15 AM

    I said very clearly the Ombudsman in not required to report the matter to the government. The law says the may report not they are compelled to report. Are you just pulling my leg or you can’t read?

    But he is should have reported it to the minister and has admitted so. But it is understandable why he didn’t and isn’t a capital offence.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:21 AM

    Back tracking I see, its ok hard to keep repeating what you know yourself to be rubbish.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:22 AM

    O’Brien isn’t alone, the whole committee shares his concerns. He seems to be singled out, however.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:24 AM

    How am I back tracking? I said the Ombudsman is not required to report the matter to the government. Where did I say otherwise ?

    You are the one backtracking and avoiding the issue. Tosser.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:34 AM

    David getting personal now, thats not nice.Descending to schoolyard taunts tut tut.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:36 AM

    I’m afraid that was you Norm when you accused my of backtracking and spouting rubbish.

    I’m not the one spouting vague accusations.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:44 AM

    David what personal insult did I level at you? Plus I never stated you spouted rubbish, thats all you saying that.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 12:10 PM

    @ David, you seem to be putting it together.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:01 AM

    And here comes the bully

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    Feb 14th 2014, 12:07 PM

    Every picture of Callinan I see, he has an entourage around him. He’s like a west coast rapper

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    Feb 15th 2014, 2:12 AM

    Snoop Pork!

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    Feb 14th 2014, 12:07 PM

    If the commissioner and shatter have any concerns about the GSOC then they absolutely should insist on an independent enquiry in order to protect the state. The people are the state not the government and police.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:32 AM

    So the move along nothing to see here narrative is not working, what’ll they try next.
    Think sales of the Sunday Times will be up.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:07 AM

    All typical. No one in this country seems capable of telling a straightforward truth about anything.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:37 AM

    Paranoia written all over this. The anomalies refered to in the as yet unpublished report point to an inside job. Add to that the regular leaks of GSOC confidential information to the press and one is lead to suppose that a high level mole is at work.

    I know that just because you are paranoid does not mean they are not out to get you but in this case it does seem that internecine warfare within GSOC is the big issue.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:52 AM

    So you’ve seen the report and can confirm its an inside job. Ok so I believe you.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:57 AM

    Interesting spin Ben but has to ignore so much to work.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:08 AM

    Who was the mole working for?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:41 AM

    Based on Murphy’s report in the Sunday Times and O’Brien’s statement to the Dail Committee.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:41 AM

    The mole is working for himself.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:57 AM

    Ben you’ve convinced me; that’s it folks nothing to see move along Ben said so.
    Funny guy.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 12:14 PM

    Ben give my regards to all in party HQ tell Richie I said hello.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 12:19 PM

    Ritchie???

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    Feb 14th 2014, 12:29 PM

    Yeah thats him tell him I said hi.Thanks

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:35 AM

    Well the commissioner has investigated this and found no evidence of bugging, no problem with penalty points, and nothing happened in donega, all investigated by the Garda

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:37 AM

    Trust restored so?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 12:11 PM

    Funny how all the irrational posters on here that are baying for Shatter’s blood, despite that the issue is the inconsistent statements coming from GSOC, are the same names who emerge on the forum every couple of weeks shrieking alternately about either James Reilly or Phil Hogan.

    The facts of the matter are – there are as yet no facts. The man in charge of GSOC has come out to say he ‘potentially suspects some form of surveillance ‘ – what the hell does that mean? Does he suspect surveillance or not? Is his suspicion based on any evidence or is it just a hunch? He know what form of surveillance he suspects, thus there is clearly no evidence.

    How the angry mob then see this as Shatter’s problem makes no sense. Except of course if the angry mob is just the usual irrational anti-Government hype machine.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 12:25 PM

    You obviously have not been following this closely at all….which makes your opinions irrational.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 12:42 PM

    what have I missed?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 1:37 PM

    The guards bugged the GSOC office….shhhh you didn’t head it from me.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 1:45 PM

    The angry mob are angry cos they have nothing else to do. Constant and timely updates on here by the same few expert tabloid readers. There’s better hobbies out there lads. Or a job would be nice. Anyway, back to work.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 2:04 PM

    They keeping you busy there?

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    Feb 15th 2014, 10:01 AM

    Move along there greene …we know who you are and what your up too from old comments

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    Feb 14th 2014, 12:21 PM

    The track record of the Gardai as regards cooperating with the GSOC is appalling. There is a lot of politics going on here with the victim of the bugging or attempted bugging being blamed unjustly in my opinion. There needs to be a totally independent investigation by a respected outside police officer. However I can’t see this happening because the political will is not there and I’m sure that the Gardai would not cooperate with such an investigation. The Gardai should be accountable from the top down. At present the commissioner has no independent oversight. This has to change.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 2:07 PM

    We do not reside in a democratic republic. Labour yet again are seen to be self fulfilling, We must change the structure of government at the upcoming elections. We must play our part by putting in place representatives we respect and trust. Sadly labour have turned their backs on such ideologies.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 1:20 PM

    You know the kind of nutty conspiracy theorists posting on an article when Harry price gets more green thumbs than red

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    Feb 14th 2014, 1:30 PM

    Like you he also has access to the net government hasn’t managed to censor it yet, get over it.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 2:20 PM

    You obviously pick your user name out if a lucky back @eagle eye

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    Feb 14th 2014, 2:45 PM

    Stones and glasshouse and all that. ‘Cutsie’

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    Feb 14th 2014, 3:22 PM

    Huh? Totally lost on that one

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    Feb 14th 2014, 3:58 PM

    Ill dumb it down. Don’t mock my username if your own is terrible

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    Feb 14th 2014, 5:32 PM

    I was “mocking” in context to your post. It’s not personal. No offence :)

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    Feb 15th 2014, 9:38 AM

    Why not try legleese you will get even more red thumbs

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    Feb 15th 2014, 9:48 AM

    Eagle eye… i have not gone away even after your evil comments and character taking remarks about me in you PR duties . My life is an open book unlike yours . Smile the truth will out even if to god on your death bed

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    Feb 14th 2014, 1:13 PM

    Most fun I’ve had since the Pope said “no cover-up here” in the mid-90s

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    Feb 14th 2014, 3:21 PM

    Likewise I have no faith in either the Commissioner or Alan Shatter who are joined at the hip, and it’s high time that the link between government and the Gardai was broken, with the appointment of an Independent Policing Board. This board would be responsible for all Garda appointments above the rank of Inspector, and would also have the power to haul the commissioner in and question him in relation to any policing matter. They also would have the power to remove the Commissioner if it is deemed necessary by a majority of the board.
    http://www.nipolicingboard.org.uk/

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:11 AM

    Best for all concerned to stop making any statements as they appear to only add to the speculation machine. Mr. Callinan might benefit from a reminder that he is a servant of the State i.e.( the people of Ireland). His statement of no authorised or unauthorised involvement by Gardai in bugging the GSOC might not satisfy the many thousands of observers at events since last Sunday.

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    Mute Noel Otley
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    Feb 14th 2014, 12:31 PM

    Callinan has no credibility. He and Shatter are so close it is reminiscent of soixante neuf!
    Coveney hushed up the horsemeat scandal and Shatter is trying to do the same for the bugging claim.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 1:23 PM

    Anyone know where Kieran Boylan is? or how many gardai involved with him received promotions from Callinan. Would those gaurds not have reason to bug the offices?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 8:11 PM

    Boylan is busy shipping loads in from the continent, heard he was held up in roslare for 6 hours one day. Waiting on a guarda escort to come

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    Feb 14th 2014, 1:12 PM

    Put Callinan, O’Brien and Shatter in front of a live tv camera in front of the nation and ask them all the same questions with straight yes or no answers and don’t take waffle from any of them

    Publish the report from the security company that carried out the sweep.

    Publish the written briefing from GSOC to Shatter and see which of the two is lying.

    Going forward, install locks and access systems that record entry and exit to the building and each door within the building, with a system that enables an audit trail to be done to see who accessed the building and when the did. Access to the building is only given to employees of GSOC.

    Audit trail to be downloaded every two days. Bug sweep to take place randomly 3 times a month with reports generated and cc’d to more than two people.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 1:27 PM

    With modern surveillance techniques you never have to step in to the building.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 2:31 PM

    What about using your instinct. Remember instinct…we all have it. Shatter is lying..we can get bogged down in the nitty gritty but some basic information in the last 5 days points to a cover up. The focus of this is one side attacking the other. Why is this so? Independent inquiry please preferable by people outside the state

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:34 AM

    Anything he says will sound like a denial. The man should keep his mouth closed until he has been told what to say.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:54 AM

    Would really help if he and Shatter clearly stated that they did not order or support bugging of the GSOC and never would.

    We’ll be waiting for that a long time even though it would change the dynamic of this scandal.

    Wonder why they just won’t.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:10 AM

    This is the problem with Machiavellism… You never know when an underling will blow the whistle on any untruth in a statement that you made. That’s why it looks like a “least said…” tennis rally.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:12 AM

    Callinin said it wasn’t the Gardai yesterday Seanie. Now you might not believe him but he has said the Gardai weren’t involved. Would be pretty unprecedented to lie like that. He would be in prison for a long long time. So either they weren’t or he is sure it won’t get out.

    So your accusing the minister of spying on GSOC. Which is certainly within the bounds of possibility but it seems very unlikely.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:44 AM

    I have a bad feeling there will be nothing in this weeks Sunday Times. I think this massive frenzy it’s a warning to the paper not to publish. This is a huge cover up and it’s bigger than any bugging issue.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:56 AM

    Times is an English paper why would they take any heed of the Irish establishment?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 1:08 PM

    David Burke – why would Callinan be in prison for a long time?

    Also, why is it unprecedented for him to lie?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 5:44 PM

    Whatever the outcome to all of this…our apathy shall be our demise

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    Feb 14th 2014, 1:05 PM

    How can the Commissioner state so unequivocally that GSOC were not bugged by any members of the Gardai?

    What about a rogue operation?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 1:52 PM

    Who would be bothered?
    The majority of complaints to Gsoc are lies, there would be no reason to need to hear about them.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 2:17 PM

    The people behind the Kieran Boylan operation for one.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 2:18 PM

    Loads of people. Also it’s not the main concern. If the GSOC is disbanded then we have lost our police watch dog. Also if the GSOC is reprimanded for all of this, will they be forthcoming with any further suspicion of Garda activity?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 7:45 PM

    Is anyone at all considering the possibility that the surveillance of GSOC is coming from within GSOC itself and perhaps the result of rogue GSOC officials?

    Anyone at all? Because it’s certainly just as probable that AGS surveilling them.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:09 AM

    Or is this possibly a made up story to distract us all from issues such as CRC salaries, the bank trial, REHAB etc?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 1:06 PM

    This is a billion times more important than that shite.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 1:13 PM

    Course not, this is larger than all of those combined ffs.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 2:45 PM

    i don’t think so the only people that would have reason for the bugging is the guards, i do believe it was bugged and i agree with Obrien’s decision to bring in a uk team, the truth is there is nothing independent in Ireland, if nothing else the last few years have proved that. As for the bank trial just another charade they will be found guilty but there will be some reason put forward why they can’t go to prison. unless of course they go to Shannon airport and protest (Margaret D’Arcy 79 years of age). she nearly blew our cover of being neutral. tell the truth even the commissioner thinks that is disgusting so i won’t take on board anything he says.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 6:02 PM

    Ffs Margaret Darcy refused to sign a peace bond hence ended in prison. Shes not above the kaw. Get over it

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:26 AM

    I concur

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    Feb 14th 2014, 1:04 PM

    If Gardai deny to bug GSOC then who? No one else including criminals but Gardai themselves! Callinan whom I believe he ordered the bug is fighting for his job!

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    Feb 14th 2014, 12:56 PM

    Well what about our own spooks we do have a few that fall under army intelligence ?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 1:40 PM

    “Army intelligence” now there’s an oxymoron

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    Feb 14th 2014, 5:01 PM

    No one has ever heard of them. That’s how good they are.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 8:48 PM

    No offence intended to any army folk

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    Feb 14th 2014, 9:01 PM

    What a big cover up, by yet again the corrupt government, the gardai are one of the most corrupt organisations in the country. Its about time the people of tje land stood up to them, its time for a revolution…corrupt garda out out out out!!!

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    Feb 14th 2014, 1:44 PM

    Stink of guilt off these eejits…a law unto themselves

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    Feb 14th 2014, 3:03 PM

    Headline should read…..
    Commissioner “very very satisfied” no members of the gardaí …were caught who …spied on GSOC

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    Feb 14th 2014, 5:14 PM

    a lot of Gadai on the site today, must be to wet to be outside. Still at least nothing will be stolen in barracks today…..

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    Feb 14th 2014, 10:46 PM

    corrupt government
    corrupt top Gardaí
    Corrupt Establishment
    Corrupt country
    THERE IS NO DEMOCRACY IN THIS LAND

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    Feb 14th 2014, 1:25 PM

    Point and case

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    Feb 14th 2014, 6:28 PM

    It obvious the commissioner wants GSOG to be abolished, he should be sacked immediately his comments today were a disgrace to the Rank and file and to the public

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    Feb 14th 2014, 3:46 PM

    prob shatter got his cronies/Fellow countrymen in Mossad to do the bugging on the offices ifor him

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    Feb 14th 2014, 3:53 PM

    You may be joking Michelle , but Mossad are partial to Irish passports, and who knows what they might get up to?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 4:09 PM

    Racist crap.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 4:37 PM

    Please explain how in the name of jaysus is that racist, ffs at least learn the meaning of a word before you use.
    Xenophobic prehaps but racist?, how do some idiots even get access to the internet.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 5:37 PM

    If you cannot see that then god help you. How can it possibly be described as xenophobic when the subject of her bile is Irish. She is making a stupid racially based link between an Irishman and a foreign security/intelligence organisation purely on the basis of ethnicity and religion!

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    Feb 14th 2014, 6:01 PM

    Ben Gunn? Is that your real name ?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 6:10 PM

    Ben you’re an idiot, how FG hq is still allowing you to continue to post is beyond understanding.
    No one around to help you tell the difference between a racist and a xenophobe, as for religion lets leave imaginary friends to children.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 6:11 PM

    She is accusing him of being Israeli you thundering fool.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 6:41 PM

    Norman, it is time to set aside your crayons and colouring book and concentrate. Why do you think she picked Israel for an Irishman of Eastern European descent?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 7:07 PM

    Johnny, Do you mean as in abandoned and marooned by his colleagues?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 4:52 PM

    So…cmon lads…do it like they do on CSI on the telly…determine the manufacturer of the bugging device and shortlist all the Irish purchases of this device in the last 5 years and start chasing leads. Find out who did it.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 6:13 PM

    Yes, but then I’d be found out along with Sergeant Moriarty and nobody, least of all ourselves, wants to be caught up in that sort of business, now do we?

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    Feb 15th 2014, 2:44 AM

    Shea you’re a fcuking genius!

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    Feb 14th 2014, 4:07 PM

    the missing word from the headline is ‘my’ gardai

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    Feb 14th 2014, 11:00 PM

    I don’t believe him, does he honestly believe that someone would actually own up??? Plank!!

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    Feb 14th 2014, 8:11 PM

    The Commissioner knows all things past, present and to come. We can take his word. Would he tell an untruth?

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    Feb 14th 2014, 3:03 PM

    Elementry Dr Watson, it was Moriarty !

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    Feb 14th 2014, 5:52 PM

    That’s Sergeant Moriarty to you, you upstanding whippersnapper!

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    Feb 14th 2014, 5:54 PM

    F*CK F*CK F*CK!!!! IGNORE PREVIOUS POST!!! ESPECIALLY THE MEDIA!!!!

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    Feb 14th 2014, 4:34 PM

    To suggest the Garda detectives would big the office would be stupid, they might get a third party to bug the offices. That is a different matter. I wonder do the detectives use their snitches to do work on the side. The film about General was a great insight into our society.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 5:27 PM

    You are wondering if the Guards broke the law or did they use someone else to pervert justice and democracy in Ireland but with an official nod.

    Either way is a subversive act against Ireland whether it was legal or otherwise it was an assault on democracy and law in Ireland.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 6:39 PM

    If the Commissioner can make such a sweeping statement about Garda non involvement, does he know something we don’t know about third party activity in the GSOC bugging?

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    Feb 15th 2014, 8:33 AM

    I am sorry, but not surprised, to say our head Garda is as daft as a halfpenny watch!!!

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    Feb 15th 2014, 5:54 AM

    Very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very satisfied, Ted.

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    Feb 14th 2014, 12:19 PM
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