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Voters like Robbie Dillon (above) are among those unhappy with the boundary change, putting west Kilkenny into Tipperary North for this election. EOGHAN DALTON/THE JOURNAL

'Some aren't going to vote': A sense of apathy in Kilkenny villages transferred to Tipp

Around 13 electoral districts – amounting to approximately 6,400 people – are voting in Tipperary for the first time.

WHEN THE ELECTORAL Commission announced which constituencies were going to see their boundaries redrawn for this election, one choice raised a few eyebrows for those living in a west corner of Co Kilkenny.

Areas including Tullaroan, Freshford and Urlingford have been moved into a new Tipperary North constituency.

Many of those who spoke to The Journal during a visit this week said they feel “fed up” about the change, with some even considering spoiling their vote tomorrow by just writing ‘Kilkenny’ on their Tipp North ballot — or not voting at all.

It’s resulted in one of the more unique election promises put forward by Tipperary candidates: if elected they will try and reverse the boundary to ensure these Kilkenny people will never have to vote for them again.

Local Kilkenny politicians are trying to encourage people to vote – also telling constituents they will try and revise the boundary again – but they have been met with apathy by many would-be voters.

A number of potential voters reckoned that Tipperary candidates won’t be able to “canvass the area as well” as Kilkenny politicians, who may be more familiar with local issues.

‘Sleepless nights’

This apathy was exactly what the Electoral Commission was concerned about when it announced the change last year.

Commission chair Art O’Leary told The Journal at the time that the decision to shift 13 electoral districts – amounting to approximately 6,400 people – caused him “sleepless nights”, but he said it “just wasn’t possible” to safeguard the county boundary.

This, O’Leary said at the time, was because the constitution requires 30,000 people per TD and that it can’t create six-seater constituencies, necessitating some redrawn boundaries. The next boundary revision is due after the 2027 Census.

Tullaroan dairy farmer Robbie Dillon was among those uncertain whether he will vote. “I don’t know any of the candidates, I probably won’t be voting right now,” the 35-year-old said.

If Dillon does vote, he’ll “probably spoil it because I don’t really see the point of voting for anybody — like I don’t see them doing anything around this location.”

Pointing to the village, Dillon said he simply doesn’t believe the candidates — who are very likely to be Tipperary based — are “going to be here” once elected.

Elsewhere in the village, one man said he “got a shock” when he saw the first Michael Lowry poster appear outside Tullaroan — but he noted the Independent’s “good track record of getting things done for people” and said he considered giving him a vote if he doesn’t spoil his ballot.

There does not appear to be a concerted campaign to get people to spoil their ballots, with politicians actively trying to encourage people to still cast a vote for one of their candidates.

Michael Delaney, Fianna Fáil councillor and owner of Seanie’s Bar in Tullaroan, said he’s trying to get people to reconsider spoiling their ballots.

“A lot of this parish say they aren’t going to vote,” Delaney said, “but we’re still ran out of here by Kilkenny County Council. So whether he does anything for us or he doesn’t, I think we should be voting and get one of these boys elected and see what he might do for us.”

IMG_6245 "A lot of this parish say they aren't going to vote," Fianna Fáil councillor Michael Delaney told us in his pub Seanie's Bar in Tullaroan. EOGHAN DALTON / THE JOURNAL EOGHAN DALTON / THE JOURNAL / THE JOURNAL

Delaney said he has been canvassing for long-time Kilkenny TD John McGuinness, adding that the outgoing deputy will seek to still represent the “lost areas” – partly as politicians expect the 13 electoral areas will be returned eventually.

One man in his 40s, who works with beef cattle and horses, got into a back-and-forth with Delaney over the situation outside Seanie’s. While noting he’s from a “Fianna Fáil family”, he was deeply unhappy over not being able to vote in the Carlow-Kilkenny constituency as normal.

“It doesn’t make sense. What was wrong with the border the way it was?” he said.

“There’s an awful lot of people in Tullaroan and various areas that won’t vote because thy don’t know who they’re voting for. It’s not their fault, I’m not having a go at the politicians necessarily,” this man said.

What “rubbed salt into the wound” was a letter from Fianna Fáil reminding the man to vote for city-based TD McGuinness. “But sure I can’t vote for him,” he told Delaney.

The councillor agreed it was a frustrating situation, before saying the letter would likely have come from the party’s Dublin headquarters rather than McGuinness’s Kilkenny office.

In a bid to entice voters, Fianna Fáil has stood two candidates for Tipperary North: councillors Michael Smith and Ryan O’Meara. While both are based in Tipperary, O’Meara lays claim to strong family connections to this part of Kilkenny through his mother’s side.

Before he was selected to stand for the party last month, Delaney and several other local Fianna Fáil Kilkenny county councillors endorsed him.

The Journal heard that a 20-strong canvass team had passed through Tullaroan in recent days seeking to catch any votes for O’Meara.

Another party has taken a different tack. Sinn Féin has stood a Kilkenny city-based candidate so that the 13 electoral areas will “feel represented” by someone local.

Evan Barry, who stood unsuccessfully for the council in June, said he has heard plenty of apathy on the doors.

The 33-year-old’s main issues are local concerns about the completion of a ring road around the northern side of the city, while national issues that have come up have been housing, childcare and the Mercosur agriculture trade deal.

IMG_6254 Evan Barry is standing for Sinn Féin as a standard bearer for the black and amber of Kilkenny in the area. EOGHAN DALTON / THE JOURNAL EOGHAN DALTON / THE JOURNAL / THE JOURNAL

Barry, who works in Leinster House for Sinn Féin, was a late addition to the ballot here, after suggesting to the party that they stand a candidate given the local frustration that party canvass teams were hearing.

“If I were to get in, I would be looking to reverse the boundary here. But really I’m telling people that if they want to protest against this, then why not do that by voting for a Kilkenny candidate,” Barry said.

Barry said his own feelings on politics have been based on the difficulty in accessing things that may have been more possible for his parents. He currently stays with family in Kilkenny while saving for a mortgage.

“Pulling yourself up the bootstraps at the moment is just not working — a lot of us have done exactly what we were supposed to do,” he said, pointing to “ridiculous” house prices and “out of control” cost-of-living charges.

“I just think it’s not fair — we all went to college, we got good jobs, but we can’t get a house,” he added.

He’s on his third visit to Seanie’s as part of the campaign, even if it can appear to be enemy territory.

Noreen, a younger sister of Michael Delaney, the Fianna Fáil councillor, agreed that the area had tended to vote for one party.

However, with Sinn Féin’s Barry standing before her in the pub – she noted: “It’s nice to have a candidate in the area that’s familiar with the area when a lot of the other candidates might not know the area.”

Overall, she believes “people make up their minds now and people don’t follow generations” anymore.

“Things do change,” she said — and many here are hoping that will eventually be the case as regards the boundary.

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    Nov 30th 2018, 1:53 PM

    Nob

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    Nov 30th 2018, 1:53 PM

    Your loyalty is turning a blind eye when and where we tell you.

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    Dec 1st 2018, 12:02 AM

    @Trevor Hayden:

    Wasn’t he the first in Government to turn on. Callinan?

    Rightly called him out for his “whistleblowers are disgusting” comment?

    Inconvenient I know for you.

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    Dec 1st 2018, 2:05 AM

    @Brinster: ‘first in government’ – I presume what you meant to say is the first in Parliament. Either way you’d be very wrong either way.

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    Nov 30th 2018, 2:00 PM

    It would be great if he practiced what he is preaching

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    Nov 30th 2018, 3:37 PM

    @Brendan Coyne: That’s what I thought also … his blind loyalty to his mate, Frances Fitzgerald comes to mind

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    Nov 30th 2018, 9:33 PM

    @Skybloo: she was cleared of any wrong doing by the tribunal so he did right to stand by her

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    Dec 1st 2018, 2:13 AM

    Report cleared her? Scandal after Scandal dogged her and her predecessor, Like the report concerning Naughten nothing to see here move on… What happened to the investigation relating to the millions missing in the Templemore?.. What happened with the written off penalty points?.What happened to the missing mobile phones and laptops?. The deputy leader of the blueshirts Michael Martin very quite on these subjects.

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    Nov 30th 2018, 1:55 PM

    Will Socky be attending the National Housing Demonstration tomorrow?

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    Mute Patrick Nolan
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    Nov 30th 2018, 2:30 PM

    @mursim:
    Will anyone be attending the national housing demonstration tomorrow?
    Jeremy Kyle is on

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    Nov 30th 2018, 3:05 PM

    @Patrick Nolan: I’ll be in the North West for the weekend, is there any regional events on, you know … where there is absolutely no problem with homelessness. Why call it “National” when it is a Dublin specific issue?

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    Nov 30th 2018, 3:20 PM

    @mursim: wait and see

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    Nov 30th 2018, 3:42 PM

    @Patrick Nolan: indeed.

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    Nov 30th 2018, 4:37 PM

    @Gulliver Foyle: Gone on up for the Lundy burning?

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    Nov 30th 2018, 2:00 PM

    That’s why nobody is being prosecuted for harassing a whistleblower almost to his death. Same for the garda in the pub with the rat effigy of MacCabe. No prosecutions ,and that ain’t out of loyalty to the state.

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    Nov 30th 2018, 2:02 PM

    @Picture This: what would you charge the effigy guy with?

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    Nov 30th 2018, 2:13 PM

    @Karen Wellington: super hero!

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    Nov 30th 2018, 2:15 PM

    @Karen Wellington: Sorry Karen. That was meant to call Maurice McCabe a superhero

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    Nov 30th 2018, 2:17 PM

    @Karen Wellington: the images were posted online so online harassment what else ?

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    Nov 30th 2018, 3:12 PM

    @Picture This: I don’t think online harassment is a crime, unless it is tied into a wider (non-online) harassment. Phoning an individual up repeatedly is harassment, while repeatedly posting malicious lies online isn’t (again, due to early precedence when judges didn’t get computers being their interpretation of offences against the person)

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    Nov 30th 2018, 4:04 PM

    @Gulliver Foyle: ask the blogger that was stopped at Dublin airport by detectives for writing negatively about Regina Doherty… by the way its alleged a commissioner sat in a politicians car in a shady car park meeting to tell him your man a kiddy fiddler and you in serious trouble, any excuses for a criminal investigation being initiated there… so regardless to what illegal or not it seems our politicians don’t have an appetite for justice.

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    Nov 30th 2018, 6:35 PM

    @Karen Wellington: Personal injury

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    Nov 30th 2018, 2:14 PM

    Your loyalty is to the State…by becoming a revenue generator…

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    Nov 30th 2018, 2:32 PM

    @Micheal McGee: how much revenue do you reckon the garda dragged down the road in Carrickmackross generated? Or the garda on the drugs squad in Store Street who had acid thrown at him?

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    Nov 30th 2018, 2:37 PM

    @Joe Bloggs: What’s the story on Carrickmacross? Seems to be some confusion as to whether the guard was in the car or being dragged by the car.

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    Nov 30th 2018, 3:31 PM

    @Micheal McGee: indeed.

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    Nov 30th 2018, 9:42 PM

    @Cathal: It wasn’t Carrickmacross,it was Castleblaney

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    Nov 30th 2018, 10:38 PM

    @Mary Garry: Sorry ,just followed previous post. Didn’t notice it was wrong town.

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    Nov 30th 2018, 2:44 PM

    Who’s Leo “ loyal “ to? It’s certainly not the people of this country!

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    Nov 30th 2018, 3:14 PM

    @Colette Kearns: Officially, the taoiseach is loyal to the people. The difference is it is to ALL people, and not just those that share opinion with you (or me, for that matter). Don’t confuse loyalty with treachery.

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    Nov 30th 2018, 3:17 PM

    Your loyalty is to the people of this country who pay your salary. Not to the suit or the person wearing it.

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    Nov 30th 2018, 3:26 PM

    @Patricia McCarthy: I hope you’re one of those people that shout that at guards while you collect your dole…

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    Nov 30th 2018, 3:39 PM

    @peterw: Why would you hope that?

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    Nov 30th 2018, 3:53 PM

    @Dave Doyle: Because people who say “we pay your salary” to garda are absolute twits.
    You don’t say that to your nurse do you?
    The gardai are there to serve & protect and by in large do a decent job, they don’t need someone shouting nonsense at them.

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    Nov 30th 2018, 5:16 PM

    @ppayment, Exactly my point. The Garda do not need a twit in a suit, who collects the largest social welfare payment, in this country shouting at them. And I don’t need his lackeys attempting to bully me on this page. Get back in your box little man.

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    Nov 30th 2018, 3:45 PM

    Its very hard to take leo at face value. Whatever he says, behind it, he’s probably thinking there’s one set of laws for himself and FG, and there are other laws for everybody else.

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    Nov 30th 2018, 4:59 PM

    @Adrian: He isn’t wrong in thinking that. Politicians and their lackeys get a free ride over everyone else. A lawless unaccountable breed.

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    Nov 30th 2018, 2:34 PM

    One of the main reasons behind the falsified breath tests was a ‘lack of supervision’ . Ethical in all other aspects of the force of course.

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    Nov 30th 2018, 3:20 PM

    I hope to inspire the Gardai, to work as hard as me, to be the shield that protects the taxpayers from the hostile elements of society. I am confident my brilliant wisdom bestowed on these brave people will be used.

    Thank you journal for showing these pictures, I am truly Ireland’s most charismatic, most trusted and inspiring leader.

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    Nov 30th 2018, 3:46 PM

    @Socky Varadkar: Go on the Socky ya mad thing!!!

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    Nov 30th 2018, 5:18 PM

    Sh ut up Leo

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    Nov 30th 2018, 3:09 PM

    Hitler said that first.

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    Nov 30th 2018, 5:04 PM

    so Leo is now popping up at the cops passing out parades to give inane motivational talks to new recruits, what next will he be turning up at teachers and nurses conferring ceremonies ?
    If he is serious about reform in AGS, then we need less platitudinous blather and more action in relation to the wrongs uncovered by the disclosures tribunal , destined to gather more dust on another shelf in the DOJ

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    Nov 30th 2018, 4:49 PM

    What a tool, his loyalty is to himself and definitely not his position in Government. He makes Enda Kenny’s term as Taoiseach look reasonable. A dreadful leader of Government, caught up with spin and more spin and manipulation of the media. The men of 1916 must be turning in their graves. Country is soulless with the morons in Government and the tool from Cork is a disaster. A bumbling gobsh@te

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    Nov 30th 2018, 4:40 PM

    What a plonker he’s worse than Bertie he’d turn up at the picking of a. Snot if he get a photo op and at least Bertie never looked down his superior nose at you – off course the uniform didn’t safe Maurice McCabe as it was those in uniforms who pilloried him

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    Nov 30th 2018, 7:11 PM

    Their loyalty should be to the people of the republic of Ireland.

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    Nov 30th 2018, 7:03 PM

    In fairness, Leo would know a lot about loyalism, seeing as he’s been spending so much time recently wearing orange and meeting with his new BFFs in the lodge.

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    Nov 30th 2018, 7:04 PM

    @European Bob: *wearing orange socks ☺

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    Nov 30th 2018, 4:56 PM

    Your suit says nothing about you Mr.Socks .

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    Nov 30th 2018, 6:12 PM

    FFS shut your trap Varadkar

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    Nov 30th 2018, 3:54 PM

    Hypocritical gimp!

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    Dec 1st 2018, 12:12 AM

    Put TD pay increases aside and give the increases to the front line staff!

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    Nov 30th 2018, 3:33 PM

    indeed

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    Nov 30th 2018, 5:29 PM

    You tell them you unelected clown

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    Nov 30th 2018, 2:58 PM

    Your loyalty is to the uniform and not the person wearing it…

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    Nov 30th 2018, 8:00 PM

    Some lines from Shaw to stew on. Pick out your own gems but I like “not intelligent, only opinionated” and “not loyal… only servile” or, how about “not dutiful, only sheepish; not public spirited, only patriotic.”

    “Your friends are all the dullest dogs I know. They are not beautiful: they are only decorated. They are not clean: they are only shaved and starched. They are not dignified: they are only fashionably dressed. They are not educated: they are only college passmen. They are not religious: they are only pewrenters. They are not moral: they are only conventional. They are not virtuous: they are only cowardly. They are not even vicious: they are only “frail.” They are not artistic: they are only lascivious. They are not prosperous: they are only rich. They are not loyal, they are only servile; not dutiful, only sheepish; not public spirited, only patriotic; not courageous, only quarrelsome; not determined, only obstinate; not masterful, only domineering; not self-controlled, only obtuse; not self-respecting, only vain; not kind, only sentimental; not social, only gregarious; not considerate, only polite; not intelligent, only opinionated; not progressive, only factious; not imaginative, only superstitious; not just, only vindictive; not generous, only propitiatory; not disciplined, only cowed; and not truthful at all: liars every one of them, to the very backbone of their souls.”

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    Nov 30th 2018, 9:30 PM

    Sodamite speaks

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    Dec 1st 2018, 5:15 AM

    The gardi are a digrace to their uniform they should be disbanded as were the ruc
    Too much corupption for too many years,
    For people to have any respect for them they need a new name and a new begining
    And its the ones at the top of the force are poisoning the the ones at the bottom, terrible for a country not to have faith in their own police force, it demoralizes the whole country

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    Nov 30th 2018, 10:24 PM

    Loyalty to the people should be shown for the past as well as the present. It seems that the past has been forgotten about as far as Leo and Drew is concerned. I’m sure they know what I mean.

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    Dec 1st 2018, 10:22 AM

    It takes a lot of manpower to generate over 2 million fake breath tests and nobody lost their job over it. Appatently it was a crime too widespread to investigate !! No sacking over the Templemore financial wrongdoing . No sacking over the scrubbing of penalty points for Gardai and family members . GRA were quiet boys when Sgt McCabe was persecuted.
    A grossly overpaid bunch of whingers layabouts and incompetents.

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    Nov 30th 2018, 5:58 PM
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    Dec 2nd 2018, 3:36 PM

    that’s a laugh coming from a man who is not even irish running our country into the ground

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