Those in their 70s born from 1947 onwards age of entry into a convent about 20. So from 1967 onward. Those in their 80s entry from 1957 onward. And that’s only if they went straight from home into the convent. Take in time spent in convent before being sent out to the mother and baby homes. And then the evidence that points to these discovered remains being from the 1920s 1930s and 1940s. The order has to answer to the inquiry but the individuals responsible are roasting in the fires of hell.

The remains were from the 50′s. Also there are people alive that can testify to crimes committed. Putting dead babies in a disused septic tank isn’t the only crime

But Enda said it was all of our faults ??

@Paul O Mahony:
But Enda…..is a tool.

@Sean your right but we have the modern version in full force with all the children who are living in cramped hotel rooms and John isn’t too worried about it. Where’s he been all week?

@ mary Hes been hiding like the rest of those gombeens,ducking and diving I expect.

Some statement GameOver.

Mary. The big difference between the times. Social welfare.

Read this yesterday. I haven’t read any detailed reports so don’t know how accurate this is
http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/rush-to-moralise-over-tuam-has-run-ahead-of-the-facts-1.3002786

@Sean Beinead: They might interview Denis O brien about the Moriarty Tribunal while they are at it, even though mention of his name on here seems to be blocked

@Mary Murphy:
He’s a minister. He should not be coming out and making statements asking others to do this and that. he should be telling/demanding/commanding from the cabinet table.
This rant is for his own ego and PR to look good in the eyes of his voters.

Thanks, Father Lavbeer.

Yeah well done Brendan. Only, Tuam is just the beginning of this. There are more recent mass graves you can be sure of that. Any nun with any knowledge of these would do well now to come out.

@Dave O Keeffe: too bad a) the men who impregnated, then abandoned them, didn’t look after them, b) too bad didn’t either, instead of dumping them on the nuns, with little Statte aid c) too bad their families didn’t pay for proper burial for their own daughters children, in their own family graves.

All in all, it was far cheaper and convenient to dump the problem on the nuns, and let them bury the tragic remains.

Even now, scapegoat elderly nuns who did their best, without aid, and lived frugal, selfless lives themselves is SO convenient to unload our guilt on.

Just look how the pro aborts Halligan/Coppinger/Brid Smith and co, now mounting the Tuam babies tragic bandwagon, replete with “moral outrage” while advocating that TODAYs babies can be aborted to death, and dumped as “med waste” in the trash, parade their hypocrisy.

Because the bravely Church opposes babies being aborted to death NOW, pro aborts who want abortion here, use any means to smear.

Boot these Tuam babies bandwagon jumpers out of office, and expose their own double standards.

@Barry Somers: why didn’t the mothers families or boyfriends, take their dead children home to be buried with their people ?

didn’t want to spend the money on the funeral, perhaps, so handier to just dump it on the nuns, like the simplistic blame is being dumped now ?

Well considering Mother Theresa was of the opinion that rather than give simple painkillers to those dying, that they should suffer to bring them closer to God, and she has now been made a saint, I think we can assume that the RCCs view is that people should suffer.

Only if you’re poor

@Stephen Byrne: Yeah Theresa changed her mind on that one when it came to her being sick. Only the best medical treatment would suffice then.

@Anita Fleming: yes.. like keeping the 8th to prevent TODAYS innocent unborn babies being aborted to death by the pro abort Halligan/Brid Smith lobby, now busy jumping on the Tuam bandwagon.

@Stephen Byrne: Mother Teresa worked tirelessly, with her RC sisters, amongst the poorest, In India, to relieve their pain, and all around the world, including in Dublin, for no pay.

Thats her impressive, hands on, track record, and that of her RC nursing oprder of care-givers, still doing that with mothers and babies. Thats her record ?

How does yours compare ?

@Alan b..: the RCC Church has done much in this country, and world wide, to raise people from poverty….

far more than you, or the trendy, anti 8th pro abortion brigade, are EVER likely to do.

Well Mick that’s just a complete fabrication as if you even took the time to listen to Mother Theresa own words you would know that she didn’t believe in giving pain relief to the sick and dying as she said it brought them closer to God. Funnily enough she herself availed of the best medical care and treatment money could buy. As for my own record I have never insisted on anyone suffering needlessly and when my own grandmother who was deeply religious was dying of cancer and in great pain I didn’t stop her from getting morphine to ease the pain in order for her to be ‘closer to god’.

@Stephen Byrne: No, it isn’t.

Mother Teresa and her Order of nuns, live simple , frugal lives and she, as they NOW do, dedicate themselves selflessly, to relieving the suffering of the poorest of the poor in Calcutta and elsewhere.

She, and they, give their lives to standing with, and helping the poorest – including among Dublin’s underprivelidged, and the slums of New York. Thats HER legacy.

Neither Mother Teresa or her Sisters get personally rich, doing this. The same can’t be said of our political/media well salaried pro abortion professors, journalists and politicians.

We will wait a long time before the glib, pro abortion “smoked salmon” trendy lefties in our media, Labour party or Sinn Fein sound -bite merchants, EVER do one ounce of her good work with the poorest.

Pro abortion, anti Catholic bigots hate her a) she is Catholic ,
and b) because she opposed abortion babies to death, and therefore, her reputation HAS to be trashed by you, and your likes.

Good question Niamh

@Niamh Kenneally: So, when will u be starting the exhumation/investion/prosecution at the Halligan/Coppinger commercial abortion mills them ?

Double standard hypocrisy.

@Shakka1244: so, should we start exhuming the remains from the abortion clinics then ?

The abortion clinics that Halligan and his pro abortion, anti 8th mates want brought here ? Exhume and investigate there now ?

British medical authorities recently closed some MARIE STOPES clinics for irregularities.

@Niamh Kenneally: …or inside one of the abortion mills, where babies are cut, poisoned, suctioned to death, or left to die alone…..and their body parts sold for profit, or dumped, or burnt.

Too bad, our lying pro abortion media NEVER tell you that, nor will the pro abortion TDs now convulsing about Tuams sad, babies.

@Mick Rick Jones: @Mick Rick Jones: dear rick, with respect, I don’t think your posts here are appropriate. Abortion in Ireland is illegal under most circumstances. The people posting here are asking for the same justice system to apply the rule of law when investigating the horrific findings in tuam. Your views are important but perhaps you should review your posts with some of you piers and ask for advice on the best place to highlight your grievances. I don’t think the victims in this situation and those pushing for the judiciary to intervene would feel that you fully empathise with their feelings. This is a horrific find and requires us to focus on healing and understanding. The fight to maintain abortion laws is perhaos best brought up in another forum.

@Matt Beaumont: not half as ugly as your stupid, ugly comments.

Anti Catholic bigotry, much because the RCC bravely, now defends babies lives in the womb from being aborted to death, is endemic in the well funded (from abroad) pro abortion lobby….as you can see.

@molly coddled: my left hand was badly fractured and left both deformed and unusable by a nun because I insisted on writing with my left hand.

I’m not surprised Tony they were brutal and pure evil personified, the dreadful thing is they more than likely enjoyed inflicting pain especially on children, my sister-in-law was only five when this was done to her. Hope you came out the other side strong regardless of the horrors inflicted upon you.

@molly coddled: I can still give the bent fingers of my left hand to the Roman Catholic Church and to all abusive power. The odd thing is that I lost any sense of fear afterwards. My first act of retaliation a few months later was to call the nuns magpies. I was badly thrashed and then isolated on my own. None of the kids had anything to do with me except for bullying.

Later a female lay teacher took me aside and kindly tried to teach me to hold my tongue. It was not possible.

One day she made a bad mistake. She tried to be nice to me in front of the other kids. She offered me sweets. I contemptuously refused the sweets and then it was easy afterwards. No one touched me or challenged me. It was as if I was invisible. I was left alone. Even the “bad boys” left me alone. The refusal of sweets in a poor area was perhaps seen as ultra extreme, I think.

Today I’m strong and self reliant. Nothing affects me. It left no legacy. I lived and I have no nightmares or worries. But I have no doubt how awful it was for others. I was lucky; others were not.

What happened to you was despicable, only your strength of character and resilient nature made you stronger Tony, not them or their actions. They probably branded you as brazen or insolent. I often went home with red welts on the palms of my hands because i couldn’t for the life of me recite their catechism verbatim. It f*kced me up big time for years after, now i don’t give a rat’s behind.

@molly coddled: thank you. Others suffered vastly far more me and so many died.

@Tony Daly: died ? so when do you plan to bring your evidence to the Garda ?

@Tony Daly: Yes, you repaid her “kindness” well, didn’t you ?

@Slim Browne: nuns and brothers provided free or very cheap secondary and primary education for the poor, working class and under privelidged of Ireland, when the State or no one else would. They lifted us up by our boostraps, when the Protestant Ascendency dominated us, deliberately keeping Catholics poor and ignorant. They educated free out fathers and grandfathers, who otherwise would have been out on the road at 12 or 13, digging ditches.
They built schools and hospitals. They sheltered abandoned, unmarried mothers from giving birth in the field, as they were called.

They get little thanks for this sacrifice NOW, from our modern, secularised, anti Catholic bigotted generation of spolit, over privelidged, secular, commentators currently pontificating about the ’30, 40s and 50s hardships, and what a much better job they WOULD have done.

These commentators now sit idly by, quaffing their Capucino or Latte, churching bashing smugly, while ignoring condoning or advocating the abortion to death of babies TODAY, NOW.

@Slim Browne: yeah, and I bet they schooled you for free, or next to it, and you gladly took it, now whinging it about it……..

just like the begrudgers in Tuam who never paid a cent to support the women they impregnated but who ran, as did the girls families, dumping the problem on poorly resourced nuns to cope with, and little State help.

Who sheltered these abandoned women ? when no one else would ? nuns.

I missed that. Where can I read it. (Babies thrown in pit #fakenews )

Girls who were victims of British Victorian prudish values were helped by Catholic nuns.

@Tom Molloy: separated from their babies, babies who were taken off them and sold or neglected. Some help!

Tom Molloy – are you the one and only Tom Newman, he who defends absolutely ever horror the Catholic Church has ever committed? The same one who comments on every David Quinn and Breda O Brian article defending the church and cheerleading for them?

@Paul Fahey: ..oh right, like they get dumped, or burned, or sold, in the abortion mills which Halligan and other pro abortion TDs want here, EVERY DAY…

No moral outrage for those dead, aborted babies…or respect for their remains…

too bad the men who fathered the tragic Tuam babies, or the families, didn’t pay to bury their children properly.. with respect… easier to dump them on the nuns then, wasn’t it, …like dumping the blame now…to salve Tuams collective guilt…

@Tony Daly: TODAY, the Catholic Church opposes TODAYs babies being aborted to death, poisoned, cut apart, incinerated for hospital heating, trafficked by Planned Parenthood (whose Irish arm the IFPA attacks the 8ths protection of unborn). or left to die alone in abortion clinics, in the trash.

Compared to Tuam, sad as it was, and is, the abortion industrys viciousness is horrendous — and of course, the pro abortion, anti 8th TDs now mouthing about Tuam, ignore all abortion horrors, and want to bring them here.

Catholic Nuns, Priests, laypeople, and many other good people , bravely oppose these abortion horrors. Do you ?

Anti Catholic bigotry means using any past church failings, to try silence Catholic opposition to abortion. Wise up to the pro aborts agenda.

Thanks to religious maniac DeValera bowing to the Catholic Church and that devils spawn McQuaid Ireland was brainwashed on an almost industrial scale for generations, at last we see what this has done to the country and how its development was held back by these charlatens. Sadly do many innocent children had to suffer before we saw the light!

Chris do some research. One of the worst home scandals on the island occurred North of the border at Kincora. Read up on it. The Bethany Church of Ireland home dumped 227 children in unmarked graves. Protestant homes let children starve, sent many for adoption to the US and trafficked others north of the border. If you think that this problem is purely a Catholic one or ROI one then you are listening to too many of the bigoted comments on here from posters with other agendas. This problem was widespread across the island, spanned the religious divide and state employees north and south were complicit.

@Gus Sheridan: Innocent children in their mothers are killed, their bodies aborted, dumped and trashed — NEVER any protest from the anti Catholic bigots, you will notice, NOW., TODAY.

Meanwhile, they shed cheap, crocodile tears fot Tuam 50 years ago.

The RCC bravely, with others, opposes abortion to death of the innocent. You don’t.

@Anne Marie Devlin: too bad, your “concern” doesn’t extend to condemning todays unborn babies being aborted to death, dismembered and dumped in the trash, or sold for body parts, in your Mengele style PP abortion clinics.

The abortion clinics which pro aborts like HALLIGAN, C DALY, ZAPPONE, B SMITH want the 8Th removed to facilitate abortion on demand here.

Vote pro abortion hypocrites, crying the croc tears for Tuams sad babies, out of office.

Many RC nuns (Sisters for Life) bravely protest unborn tiny, innocent babies being aborted to death.

You don’t. Anti Catholic, secularist bigots, like yoy, NEVER do.

@Liam

Exactly the mindset that made these atrocities possible in the first place!

Thanks for confirming that nothing has really changed!

Poor Paddy will always point the finger at someone else.

@Melissa O’Callaghan: Couldn’t have been that intelligent if they fell for Catholicism.

They were female and what were their choices at that time. Not forgetting family pressures. What they did sickens me to the core and the same with the priesthood and sexual abuse but they knew no better, they were institutionalised. Didn’t they loose their identity when they joined the Nuns in the same way they the mothers lost their names. It’s a very powerful controlling tool, removing your identity and stripping away at what is right and wrong. This is why the institutions of schools and hospitals need to separate from their control as “a cod rots from the head”.

@Melissa O’Callaghan: the Roman Catholic Church severely constrained the choices for young girls and young women.

@Shakka1244: If you weren’t around in those days you wouldn’t have an idea how towns in Ireland worked. If a young girl was pregnant she brought disgrace to her family. In a lot of cases it was a family member or relation who impregnated the young girl, the local parish priest would insist on the girl be shipped off to one of these slave houses. Her child was sold off for money to other family’s with money.

How can someone pick on an old Nun in her 80′s/90′s years & put them in prison? The real perpetrators were their senior ordained Nuns addressed as Mother, Do you believe that the Government knew nothing about these slave houses for girls & the people who sent them there were the Priests in our towns , the very people who raped our children down through the years. It’s been covered up for years & it was brought to the attention to our Governments over the years. Lets hope the real truth comes to light.

@Liam John Bradshaw: and the fact you dont think the poor aul nuns (who committed an atrocity in this case) should be jailed is complicit in this problem. Stop apologising for our diseased regime

@Melissa O’Callaghan: why did not the Tuam men who got the mothers pregnant, and their Tuam families NOT look after these poor women ?

Dumping them on the nuns, who coped then, with very limited State help, was a handier, “we’re off the hook” option for Irish society, wasn’t it ?

Halligans hypocrisy is nauseous.

His own Labour socialist mates were in Government part of the time, when Tuam’s nuns were coping with our social problems, with little State aid.

@Rob Cahill: anti Catholic bigot.

No they weren’t Tony. There were many Church of Ireland and state run homes were barbaric abuse took place. Bethany and Evoca were Church of Ireland. Kincora was state run. Amazing the way you keep bringing up the Catholic Church and ignore others who are equally culpable. You clearly have an anti-Catholic only agenda.