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Reply Our parliamentary process is open and accessible

Mark Mulqueen, Head of Communication in the Houses of the Oireachtas, writes.

WRITING IN THEJOURNAL.IE yesterday, Sarah O’Neill of Dáilwatch.ie said that while debate arounds TDs’ expenses is welcome, it should be just one part of a larger conversation around transparency in Irish politics in general.

You can read O’Neill’s full article here.

Today, Mark Mulqueen, Head of Communications in the Houses of the Oireachtas, replies:

TO BE CLEAR, the call for an independent body to determine the pay and allowances provided to those we elect to our national parliament was proposed by Kieran Coughlan, Secretary General of the Houses of the Oireachtas. He did so at a recent Houses of the Oireachtas Public Accounts Committee meeting.

In an article on www.thejournal.ie Sarah O’Neill joined others in repeating the call as part of a wider series of comments about the resourcing of the Irish parliamentary system.

Sarah makes many of the progressive comments we have heard before. She says, “This debate around TDs’ expenses should become part of a larger conversation around transparency in Irish politics in general, rather than simply a weapon with which to attack our political representatives”. Indeed. Unfortunately, by ascribing a simplistic and wholly negative headline to Sarah’s article, TheJournal.ie could not resist doing the very thing she called on the media to desist from doing!

By the by, we are obviously not so good at being secretive when one considers that details of all Oireachtas salaries and allowances are published on the Oireachtas website here.

In fact, a headline like “Secrecy around TDs’ expenses is typical of Irish political culture” is actually more typical of Irish political commentary. It is about as intelligent and useful to any meaningful conversation as the old canard ‘they are all in it for themselves’. Neither slogan is true despite how often they are inferred and implied to by our public commentators.

Sarah goes on to observe that “the secrecy around politicians’ allowances is indicative of a broader, national acceptance of the inaccessibility of government affairs and perpetuates the notion that Oireachtas business is a distant practice, inconsequential to the everyday lives of ordinary citizens”. Another baseless if populist comment.

Of course the intermixing of government affairs with parliamentary affairs is a common fault of Irish commentators but it doesn’t excuse the fact that the level of public engagement with the Irish political and parliamentary process is actually quite high. If Oireachtas business were actually a “distant practice, inconsequential to the everyday lives of ordinary citizens”, the national media wouldn’t be encamped in Leinster House day after day pumping out hours of commentary about what happens in it. The fact is that Irish people are renowned for their high level of interest and participation in politics. Moreover, those whose job it is to sell newspapers and the advertising that sustains the media, know this. This is why so much space in our media focuses on parliament and politics. (Note how slender the newspapers are in the weeks when the Dáil isn’t sitting.)

In fact I would go further and argue that Irish people know very, very well how consequential to their lives the business of the Oireachtas is. This is why national protests are made at the gates of our national parliament and not somewhere else; this why we are constantly serving the demand from the public and public interest groups to access Leinster House; this is why we have 100,000 visitors every year and this why our parliamentary committees spend a huge amount of time meeting and engaging with the widest possible representation of public groups and bodies.

You probably won’t read it in a newspaper or hear it said on the radio or TV, but our parliamentary process is very open and accessible. Not only can every one of us both watch every minute of Oireachtas business live and read the record of the parliament on-line, citizens are also constantly invited to contribute to the Oireachtas business directly via the committee system. Far from being secretive, every aspect of Oireachtas business is in public, it is accessible and it’s actually participative.

There is great public frustration and anger abroad. This should not be taken as a license for some to simplify public scrutiny of the political process or to debase public discourse to a negative, one-dimensional portrayal of our parliament and the role of its members. That’s not in the public interest.

(Note from Susan Daly, TheJournal.ie editor:

There was also a subhead on Ms O’Neill’s article which expanded on the issue. It read: “Yes, expenses need reform – but we need a larger conversation too.”

On the subject of transparency on political expenses, the Oireachtas website does list the amounts claimed by each TD and senator and what each is entitled to at every grade of the political spectrum. However, the lack of breakdown of the spends, the practice of unvouched expenses and the need to invoke the Freedom of Information Act – which is not yet a free service – to get further clarity in some cases does not make it as transparent as it could be. This, in effect, is why PAC – as advised by the SG of the Houses of the Oireachtas, as Mr Mulqueen points out – recommends that “all expenses incurred should be fully vouched and receipted”.

It is appreciated that the business of the Houses has been opened up to the general public via online livestreams and public meetings, but it is not the case the whole of political life in Ireland is open to the public, which is why I believe the headline on Ms O’Neill’s article to be relevant.

She argues that the lack of transparency in the breakdown of how expenses are incurred and the public (and yes, media) interest in that issue reinforces, rightly or wrongly, the perception that political discourse as a whole is not entirely accessible to the man or woman on the street. Relevant, yes, but something which they feel they have an influence on past the results of a general election? No. That, I would think, is why people resort to taking a protest to outside the gates of Leinster House.

On a positive note, addressing failings in the expenses regime which – noted – falls under the remit of a Government department rather than Oireachtas business, will surely only help to improve the public’s relationship and interaction with political culture as a whole.

Incidentally, TheJournal.ie publishes a daily Oireachtas agenda which – thanks to information available from Oireachtas.ie – highlights what is happening in the Houses on a given day, and shows how to access livestreams.)

Previously: Column – Secrecy around TDs’ expenses is typical of Irish political culture, by Sarah O’Neill>

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    Mute DB
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    Apr 28th 2023, 12:40 PM

    Why feel the need to comment and berate on others personal decisions. If you don’t want a Catholic wedding fine don’t, but it’s none of your business if others do .

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    Mute Fiona Fitzgerald
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    Apr 28th 2023, 12:47 PM

    @DB: Are Christians so easily put off? Maybe they need some faith. It shouldn’t bother anyone that other people make other choices.

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    Mute Joey Navinski
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    Apr 28th 2023, 12:56 PM

    @DB: the irony in your comment is delicious, considering the RCC’s historic condemnation of others.

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    Mute Allora
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    Apr 28th 2023, 1:44 PM

    @Fiona Fitzgerald: “we should not forget now that religion comes to us in this ingratiating manner because it has had to give so much but never forget how it behaved when it did believe it truly had god on its side”. Christopher Hitchens

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    Mute A$AP ETH
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    Apr 28th 2023, 2:16 PM

    @Joey Navinski: the church, not two joe soaps who are getting married and baring the brunt of peoples resentment against the institution as a whole.

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    Mute Jim Casey
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    Apr 28th 2023, 3:00 PM

    @DB: exactly

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    Mute Joey Navinski
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    Apr 28th 2023, 3:31 PM

    @A$AP ETH: if you’re a member (or facilitator) of the institution you condone the institution.

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    Mute Cullen Cullen
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    Apr 28th 2023, 12:18 PM

    Nice to see people thinking for themselves

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    Mute Emmet Murphy
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    Apr 28th 2023, 1:53 PM

    @Cullen Cullen: Yes, I got the RCC off my baptismal and birth certs and they were put there without my consent. Also, made sure no RCC priest involved in my Burial and the RCC are a big greedy cult!

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    Mute Longlin
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    Apr 28th 2023, 2:51 PM

    @Emmet Murphy: Curious to know what country you were born in that recorded your religion?

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    Apr 28th 2023, 3:01 PM

    @Emmet Murphy: ah that’s good for you well done

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    Mute Diarmuid Hunt
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    Apr 28th 2023, 5:17 PM

    @Longlin: They did have a space for recording baptismal names on birth certs which would be a way of recording that you are some denomination of Christian, don’t know is it still a done thing.

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    Mute Emmet Murphy
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    Apr 28th 2023, 5:33 PM

    @Longlin: Republic of Ireland, we were handed over to RCC by our political leaders over one hundred years ago and no one could fart without the RCC’s permission!

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    Apr 28th 2023, 12:22 PM

    Write the alternative headline, 3 in 5 have a bit of cop on.

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    Mute Fiona Fitzgerald
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    Apr 28th 2023, 12:51 PM

    @JustBEERbarry: I wonder how many of those opting for religious ceremony are paying for their own wedding? Often it’s sponsored by older relatives who like the idea, and if a couple are free to make their own choices, they would spend their own money differently. Nothing wrong with choosing a compromise that makes others happy, but personally I think the Catholic Church has more than enough money.

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    Mute Tricia G
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    Apr 28th 2023, 1:00 PM

    @Fiona Fitzgerald: I think a more telling stat would be how many of those couples that chose a Church wedding actually regularly attend mass.

    And I definitely think a lot of it is “I’d never do that to my parents, of course we’ll have a church wedding”. Not to mention, many people are just culturally Catholic as opposed to practicing. They like the idea but not really interested in the actual religion.

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    Apr 28th 2023, 1:49 PM

    @Fiona Fitzgerald: Not sure I follow the logic of your comment. 99% of the costs involved wedding ceremonies are the same if you are getting married in a Church, Hotel, a beach, or registry office.The costs are to do with hospitality , photographers , flowers , clothes, travel and everything else .. The average local parish church / PP doesn’t charge people to get married in their local parish church.

    Yes people make a modest donations and usually leave some of the flowers afterwards for benefit of the church. Yes there some churches is very scenic locations that charge a fee but compared with renting other venues it’s very modest. If people want to married in RC or CoI church etc let them be , but it’s a completely inaccurate to imply that the RCC charge formal wedding service fees.

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    Mute Fiona Fitzgerald
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    Apr 28th 2023, 3:48 PM

    @XvSv: Every local church was built and is maintained with money from parishioners. The communities pay taxes – the Church doesn’t. Yes, they certainly do charge a fee. Nowadays people choose where they prefer to sign the register. People have a choice.

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    Apr 28th 2023, 5:11 PM

    @Fiona Fitzgerald: exactly. The parishioners (who attend regularly) maintain the church. Not those who swan up looking for pretty pictures on their big day. Asking them to pay for light, heat, etc does not seem unreasonable. Any venue would do the same.

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    Apr 28th 2023, 5:19 PM

    @XvSv: I thought she was saying that when parents are paying for or contributing to a wedding they hold a certain amount of sway over where the ceremony is held.

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    Apr 28th 2023, 11:15 PM

    @Fiona Fitzgerald: the Catholic church NEVER has enough money

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    Mute XvSv
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    Apr 29th 2023, 12:01 AM

    @Pharmy: Fiona was implying that those people who opt to have RC marriage ceremony have to pay a large fee to Roman Catholic Church, and this amounts to significant cost (tax) if held in RC Church . She also stated the church has enough money . The premise of the statement is complete nonsense .. there are so many holes it doesn’t warrant a reply.

    No RC parishioner has to pay a formal fee to their local PP to partake in RCC sacraments be it Baptism, Communion,Confirmation,Wedding or a funeral, the premise of Fiona’s statement are false.

    If the average couple are in their mid 30s and if the same time they cannot make a mature decision on their own, but are still worried about what their parents think, then perhaps they shouldn’t getting married .. they are not sixteen anymore…

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    Mute Dermattg
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    Apr 29th 2023, 9:28 AM

    In 2022, the average cost of a wedding in Ireland is €29,900.

    Thats 0.8% of the wedding costs above. It seems that in this particular arena the RCC/priest/venue is the most reasonable of the expences and is comparible to the legal & paperwork fees of a civil marriage. Personally I have no problem with that fee. Our local church struggles to pay its normal bills so clearly doesn’t have huge income. The priest gets paid twice a year: Christmas Day Collection and Easter Sunday Collection. Yet he’s available year-long and the drop of a hat for last-rites, funerals etc.

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    Apr 28th 2023, 1:14 PM

    Opposite sex couples. Ffs journal, what’s wrong with saying a men and women.

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    Mute Cullen Cullen
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    Apr 28th 2023, 1:20 PM

    @ggg: because The Journal don’t believe man = male and woman = female

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    Mute Kevin Collins
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    Apr 28th 2023, 1:28 PM

    @ggg: That would be grammatically incorrect for a start.

    But the use of the terms “opposite sex couples” and “same sex couples” are literally shorter and more succinct phrases than “marriages between a man and a woman” and “marriages between two men and marriages between two women”.

    This has absolutely nothing to do with culture war debates about gender identity, despite your best effort to imply that there is an ulterior motive here.

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    Mute John Mulligan
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    Apr 28th 2023, 2:55 PM

    Three out of five did not.
    Times are changing, and it’s for the better.
    Now, if five out of five children could get their education without indoctrination, we’d be really getting somewhere.

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    Mute Geraldine O'Riordan
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    Apr 28th 2023, 12:23 PM

    So you could get a good deal on the price if you choose a Tuesday in January.
    Any takers..

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    Mute Cormac McCann
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    Apr 28th 2023, 1:31 PM

    That would be an ecumenical matter!

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    Mute Irish big fellow
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    Apr 28th 2023, 7:25 PM

    Most young couples have lost the run of themselves. Going into serious debt over one day. Why all the expense? Hotels know they are onto a good thing so intended couples are easy prey. A wedding reception can now cost an average of€30k. The choice of type of wedding ceremony is very much personal religious or lay.

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    Mute Emmet Murphy
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    Apr 28th 2023, 1:56 PM

    Marriage, is anther tradition hijacked by the church for their own benefit and it is a man made event.

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    Mute ggg
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    Apr 28th 2023, 2:34 PM

    Kevin Collins, I think you might be trying a bit to hard fella, I’m fully aware why they can’t bring themselves to say a marriage between a man and a woman.

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    Mute John Kieran G.
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    Apr 28th 2023, 4:55 PM

    Because it might not be?

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    Mute Irish Antichrist
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    Apr 28th 2023, 12:46 PM

    Are the Spiritulists religious??

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    Mute Diarmuid Hunt
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    Apr 28th 2023, 5:23 PM

    @Irish Antichrist: You’d have to ask each individual spiritualist but going on the meaning of the word religion I’d guess that most wouldn’t be. If they were part of a spiritualistic group with rites, tenets and hierarchy then it’d be safe enough to say that they had a religion and are religious.

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    Mute AnthonyK
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    Apr 28th 2023, 2:05 PM

    Whether you are married or not, in the event of divorce, you’ll still lose out. Oh, and divorce has increased.

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    Mute Diarmuid Hunt
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    Apr 28th 2023, 5:25 PM

    @AnthonyK: As women became more independent and don’t have to stay with a husband in order to have a reasonable standard of living of course divorce has increased.

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    Apr 28th 2023, 1:22 PM

    Speaking as a believer I’m not sure ‘Spiritualist’ in this context isn’t really religious. In can be between religious people, especially interfaith marriages and it isn’t overtly unreligious like Humanist ceremonies but I’m not sure I’d categorise it as religious per se.

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    Mute Stuart Doherty
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    Apr 28th 2023, 3:05 PM

    Why is this even relevant ..?

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    Mute John Kieran G.
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    Apr 28th 2023, 4:54 PM

    @Stuart Doherty: Think harder.

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    Mute Stoic Savage
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    Apr 28th 2023, 1:45 PM

    So?

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