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Controversial incinerator will need a no-fly-zone, says Defence Forces

An Bord Pleanala is due to make a decision on the incinerator in July.

THE DEFENCE FORCES have said the controversial incinerator in Ringaskiddy will need a no-fly-zone around it, if it is to go ahead.

The claim has been disputed by Indaver, the company behind the planned incinerator.

The hearing of the proposed Ringaskiddy incinerator before An Bord Pleanala continued for the eleventh day.

Today was the final day for submissions at the oral hearing of the plans at the Carrigaline Court Hotel in Cork.

The proposed plans to build a €160 million incinerator at the Indaver site have been met by resistance from the local community, politicians, and the Defence Forces.

Chase, is the local body that has campaigned against the proposed plans, and said:

It is our belief that the site and location are more unsuitable than ever. Opposition to the project is now stronger than ever, the anger is palpable.

The hearing will continue next week with questions being asked to Indaver, where submission parties will have the chance to cross examine on any outstanding issues they have.

One main issue, raised by the Department of Defence (DoD), is that they would need to apply a no fly zone around the incinerator, as it would render the naval base at Haulbowline inoperable in southerly winds.

Their concern is that the proximity of the stack from the waste to energy facility in Ringaskiddy is a matter of concern for helicopters.

This is due to the fact that this stack will be emitting significant amounts of exhaust gases and is seen as a potential hazard as it may render approaches by Air Corps helicopters into Haulbowline and Spike Island as unsafe”.

Indaver claimed the risk would be minimal, and they added documents to the hearing, prepared by consultants, which include UK based Wind Farm Aviation Consultants.

WFAC is led by former RAF pilot Mike Hale, and Shane Savage, a former British Ministry of Defence Military Air Traffic policy leader.

In the report WFAC said:

In accordance with FAA guidance and modelling the proposed chimney stack and any resultant plume should not affect operations to the helicopter landing Site at Haulbowline in southerly winds; FAA modelling illustrates that any approach and climb-out should be well clear of any possible effects.

Fred Bradley, principal officer in the Department of Defence, said “it was unfortunate to say the least” that the documents had not been made available sooner.

The DoD are expected to return next week after requesting time to consider the documents added in by Indaver.

Chief inspector of the hearing, Derek Daly, will proceed next Monday with planning issues being the first questions raised.

Cross examinations will be grouped by topic, so all experts can be present at the same time to address questions.

The oral hearing is expected to continue for another two weeks, with a decision expected by An Bord Pleanála in July.

Read: Politicians, the community and army staff are against it, but €160m incinerator may still go ahead >

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    Mute Eyepopper
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    May 5th 2016, 6:36 PM

    Put it in Kerry.

    Shur Danny & Mick would be only delighted with the jobs, what with God above in Heaven controlling most things in the world.

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    Mute Tony English
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    May 5th 2016, 6:30 PM

    If its gonna cause problems in the sky imagine what it’ll do on the ground… I smell a rat

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    Mute david hynes
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    May 5th 2016, 6:50 PM

    Firstly, They want to build an incinerator to take 600,000 tonnes! There isn’t 600,000 tonnes. They want to ship the waste in from abroad. Secondly it’s costs so much money for what energy it produces. They will be burning black bag bins, which have a lot of Organics, most cities are using biogas plants for this.. but not good auld Dublin! Massive stroke going on

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    Mute Peter Fechter
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    May 5th 2016, 7:15 PM

    Theres only one man on this Island with a flawless record of getting these mammoth things built and running with satisfaction all around .. John Tierney. I heard hes free for some consultancy work…

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    Mute A.C
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    May 5th 2016, 6:33 PM

    What do we do? Keep using landfills. No location is great but Ringaskiddy is the best option in the south. Get over it people and move on.

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    Mute Al Ca
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    May 5th 2016, 6:40 PM

    The only reason they want Ringaskiddy is to be able to import rubbish by sea to burn…this isn’t about burning just our own rubbish.

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    Mute Paul O Sullivan
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    May 5th 2016, 6:41 PM

    What you mean get over it. There are 40,000 people living within a 5km radus of this chimney, there is a navy base and a high tech college A km away. I believe this is a terrible position for it, it is planned for a dead end with no emergence plan of getting to it.

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    Mute Stephen Devlin
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    May 5th 2016, 6:41 PM

    You buy shares already ?

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    Mute Tweety McTweeter
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    May 5th 2016, 6:44 PM

    How is Ringaskiddy a good location? Having a no fly zone next to our national naval base?

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    Mute EmmaQ@gmail.com
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    May 5th 2016, 7:14 PM

    There is absolutely no need for a no fly zone..
    Thats just the naval service using any Nimby tactic they can.

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    Mute Paul A Whelan
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    May 5th 2016, 10:36 PM

    Emma. I’ve noticed several of your comments. You know so much!

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    Mute EdmundOrlando
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    May 5th 2016, 8:16 PM

    This is very bad news for Ringaskiddy. There is enough sludge already on the seabed around that area from years of Irish Steel waste. I was warned against any eating fish caught near the Haulbowline sight. some of them have 3 eyes.

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    Mute Lorna Darcy
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    May 6th 2016, 10:18 AM

    Hi Edmund. My late Dad was based in Haulbowline, on the L.E.Cliona, ’58-’64, and my late Mam said for a long time that my Dads lifelong stomach, and health issues stemmed from an incident where he suffered severe food poisoning, and she would always attribute it to eating as she said. ‘bad fish’. Maybe there is indeed something in that. Not sure about the 3 eyes bit though ;-) take care

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    Mute Upowthat Burke
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    May 5th 2016, 10:53 PM

    The correct site to build this toxin spuing monster is carnsore point this site was identified as The optimum site back in the seventies to put a unclean reactor all The omissions would blow over the irish sea to the brits it’s high time we repaid them for all the shit they sent over to us – for 8 centuaries Cromwell and his like

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    Mute Aging Lothario
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    May 5th 2016, 10:30 PM

    Nearly every other modern country uses incinerators to dispose of their waste, but here in good old Ireland we are still sending the majority of our waste to landfill, yet unbelievably so many people in this country are still against incineration. I don’t understand it, they are safe, environmentally friendly, and they also can provide electricity for up to 50,000 homes, so please tell me why we should continue to use landfill instead, not to mention exporting so much of our waste abroad?

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    Mute Grace Jeaney
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    May 5th 2016, 11:15 PM

    You are correct Aging Lothario.

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    Mute Christine Creedon
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    May 6th 2016, 11:57 AM

    Most stupid ignorant comment. Words fail

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    Mute bigzero313
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    May 5th 2016, 9:01 PM

    Sure there are several incinerators in Dublin for years. All the pharma plant have them but people don’t realize it as they are “hidden” within all the other plant and operations. I’d be more worried about the chemicals they are burning than every day municipal waste in cork.

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    Mute Mark Hosford
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    May 5th 2016, 10:00 PM

    At least with pharma plants they know whats going in, and the the incinerators are designed for that.. Mass burn is not much better than burning rubbish in a fireplace,anything and everything going in wet and the the temperatures arent high enough to handle that..

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    Mute Upowthat Burke
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    May 5th 2016, 11:44 PM

    All the ash from this monster will go to landfill by truck hundreds of trucks spuing out more toxins day and night so nobody wins except the countries that ship their waste to our shores

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    Mute Tony Hartigan
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    May 6th 2016, 12:04 AM

    We do not want this.

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    Mute Ron Noco
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    May 5th 2016, 6:51 PM

    There’s a crematorium right close to the incinerator site, I wonder was that a coincidence or to test the water? Obviously different volumes but similar concerns…

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    May 5th 2016, 10:02 PM

    I don’t know why they think they need a no fly zone the whole of Ireland is basically a no fly zone , what have the Air Force got like 2 kinder garden cop helicopter’s ??

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    Mute Shawn O'Ceallaghan
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    May 5th 2016, 7:15 PM

    If its to go ahead? You havent walked near ringsend/sandymount then. Its neary built.

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    Mute Al Ca
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    May 5th 2016, 8:05 PM

    Fab eyesight you have there.

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