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'David vs Goliath': why individuals are challenging Ireland's forestry licences

We look at thousands of forestry applications and appeal decisions to reveal deep problems in the quality of environmental assessments.

TERESA McVEIGH HAS fond memories of summers spent as a child in the fields and hills of her family’s land in Lisnanorrus, Co Leitrim. An old fort halfway up the hill beside the family home where her mother Mary still lives today offered the most fun and the best views too. 

“You could stand up in it and you can see the whole way out from Drumshanbo across to Cavan,” says Teresa. “You’d see the whole 360 degrees.”

All that is gone now, however, she says, as conifer plantations right beside her mother’s home and across the surrounding hills have grown tall, blocking the view.

Mary, who is approaching her 80th birthday, remembers the days fondly before the conifers came, looking forward to the summer evening sun hitting the hills. Now, she says, there is “no such thing” as the evening sun is blocked, as is her view of her neighbours’ homes. “It’s very lonely.”

The McVeighs are one of several families who spoke to Noteworthy about the experience of living beside conifer plantations in the county that has the highest level of forestry cover in the country. 

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Almost 19% of the county is covered in conifer-dominated plantations – the national average is 11% – largely as a result of decades of State-led planting since the late 1950s, followed by increasing private planting in the south in recent years.

The social and environmental impact of increased planting is a key concern of the community group Save Leitrim that recently started to appeal forestry licence decisions to the Forestry Appeals Committee (FAC).

The FAC is currently facing a backlog of cases that is, in part, holding up the flow of timber in the €2 billion sector as applications fall under heavier environmental scrutiny.

While those taking appeals have been accused of making vexatious and baseless complaints to block conifer plantations, an in-depth investigation carried out by Noteworthy shows that the cause of the current backlog is a much deeper problem. 

Over the past three months, we pored over data on 30,000-plus afforestation and felling licence applications and hundreds of FAC decisions released through Access to Information on the Environment (AIE) requests.  

We also spoke with the three main individuals and groups taking the majority of appeals against forestry licence decisions to gain an insight into why they feel the need to challenge the Irish forestry model.

We can reveal: 

  • An analysis of almost 170 decisions made on appeals against licences in 2020 reveals that unsatisfactory environmental assessments were carried out in many cases.
  • The three main appellants, all of whom spoke to Noteworthy, are still not convinced with recent licensing changes made by the State, with several High Court cases impending.
  • Forestry and farming groups are also growing frustrated with the Forest Service for failing to heed their warnings that a backlog was imminent over its environmental assessment process, according to lobbying records released to Noteworthy

Yesterday, in the first part of this series, we revealed that licences are still being approved for planting on biodiversity-rich areas and sensitive peat soils and that ecologists and biodiversity experts have concerns over assessment of the potential environmental impacts of forestry operations. Read the article here.

Wednesday is licence day 

The Forest Service, that sits under the Department of Agriculture (DAFM), is the consenting authority of all forestry licences in Ireland, including afforestation, felling, thinning and forestry road applications. 

Applications are advertised on DAFM’s website every Wednesday, starting the 30-day public consultation period before a decision can be made, after which follows another 28-day window for any appeals to the FAC. 

All licences must be issued in compliance with EU environmental law. The Forestry Programme also outlines the need to assess if afforestation and felling operations are compatible with conservation objectives for habitat and species in protected sites in the Natura 2000 network.

The first step is for the Forest Service to screen the application and to determine if a far more detailed and stringent Appropriate Assessment (AA) is required.

This involves examining any possible significant effects on protected sites within 15km of the proposed forestry operation, both alone or in-combination with other nearby projects such as wind farms or other forestry plantations. 

We’ve created a searchable table showing a detailed breakdown of afforestation licence applications and if AA screening and full EIA assessment was carried out based on data received from the Forest Service. View this table here >>

Strict need for environmental assessment

In the past, the agency has screened out many applications, determining that there would be no significant environmental impacts, including, as documented in the first part of this series yesterday, applications for planting on sensitive peat soils and biodiversity-rich grasslands. 

In a landmark report in 2007, the Bioforest Project – a six-year study involving several universities and Coillte – found “serious deficiencies” in assessments that it said was causing high biodiversity sites to be “put at risk of being damaged by afforestation”. 

The Department of Agriculture has previously responded to findings in the report, stating that the evaluation of applications “comprises numerous checks and balances aimed at identifying and safeguarding protected species and habitats”. 

Coillte told Noteworthy that it abides by all the guidelines and standards for the protection of biodiversity, soils and waters during its operations. 

“More recently, licence applications are accompanied by Natura Impact Statements where required which screen the potential impacts and cumulative effects of the proposed operations and propose measures to ensure no significant effects will arise,” it added.  

Appeals backlog

Recent EU rulings emphasised the greater need for stricter assessment, as set out in a Department of Agriculture circular to foresters last May, with these rulings forming the backbone of an increasing number of cases brought before the appeals committee. 

Based on an analysis of FAC case data released to Noteworthy, 76 licences have been cancelled following appeal, 151 upheld and 30 varied, with around 480 decisions still awaiting decision at the start of September.

It was acknowledged by DAFM in a recent briefing document on the Forestry (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2020 seen by Noteworthy that the FAC was “never designed to deal with these volumes”, taking an average of 44 weeks to issue a final decision. 

“Therefore there is a developing backlog,” the document said, with 800,000 m3 of wood material under appeal – a little over one-fifth the size of the roundwood harvest of 3.69 million m3 in 2018, the highest level on record.

The delays have led the forestry sector to raise concern with the Department that the appeals process is allowing for “vexatious” complaints, according to lobbying records released to Noteworthy through AIE requests. 

‘Vexatious’ complaints

In a letter to the then-Minister for Agriculture Barry Cowen in July, the forestry company Veon urged for “an appeals process… designed and resourced such that it can reach decisions within appropriate timeframes whilst being capable of weeding out those objections solely designed to frustrate the process”. 

It also said that the lack of a fee to bring an appeal, together with the absence of a requirement that the appellant must demonstrate a connection with the lands, has resulted in “blanket, often generic submissions being made without any requirement that the appeal being made is substantive”.

As far back as November 2016, the Forest Sector grouping that includes Coillte and the Irish Farmers’ Association (IFA), told the Department it was concerned that the newly introduced FAC needed “appropriate checks and balances” and asked if there were “mechanisms for dealing with vexatious complainants”.

Coillte, the largest supplier of timber to the Irish market, told Noteworthy that there has been a “devastating impact on the forestry sector as a result of a small number of people lodging an incredibly large number of appeals”.   

In IFA notes from a meeting in January 2019 with Colm Hayes, DAFM assistant secretary general with responsibility for forestry, it is stated that “Colm [Hayes] advised that the [licence] delays were as a result of the two coordinated campaigns”.  

In an email to colleagues on 21 January, Hayes said that, while the notes represent “solely” the IFA’s interpretation of the discussion, “I would broadly agree with the general thrust of the comments”.

In reply to a request from Noteworthy to provide some context on this commentary by Mr Hayes, the Department of Agriculture said that it “has nothing to add”. 

An analysis of FAC case files up to the start of September released to Noteworthy under AIE, reveals that there are in fact three core groups of appellants, including two individuals – Peter Sweetman (427 cases) and Neil Foulkes (205 cases)  – and a group of Leitrim locals who have formed the Save Leitrim group (59 cases).

Noteworthy spoke with all three to gain an understanding of their motivations and analysed the results of their appeals that reveal, in many cases, their grounds for appeal were far from vexatious and highlight failings in the Forest Service’s environmental assessments. 

We’ve created a searchable table showing a detailed breakdown of appeal cases against forestry licence decisions. View this table here >>

The ‘serial environmental litigant’

The Mayo-based Peter Sweetman, who has brought the highest number of appeals cases to date, has been called a serial environmental litigant but told Noteworthy that he only takes cases where he has a serious chance of success and his record is solid. 

He has had a number of landmark wins in the European courts that have heavily influenced recent changes to the Forest Service’s environmental assessment procedures.

In most of Sweetman’s appeals, he cites three of his own cases and another 2018 case taken by Irish individuals in which the European Court of Justice clarified that an Appropriate Assessment must dispel “all reasonable scientific doubt” concerning the effects on protected sites. 

An analysis of FAC data from cases released to Noteworthy indicates that licences have been cancelled in 49 (31%) of Sweetman’s 158 cases decided by September. 

Some of his cases have highlighted deficiencies in how applications have been assessed by the Forest Service, including one concerning a small afforestation licence granted for almost 3 hectares (ha) in Derrynaveagh, Co Clare in April 2019. 

In this case, the FAC asked for an external environmental assessment to be carried out, with a planning consultant “not reassured” that a robust assessment was carried out by the Forest Service for potential significant impacts on two Natura 2000 sites hydrologically connected to the project site. 

Sweetman also argues that the Forest Service is not adequately assessing the cumulative impact of proposed forestry operations and other developments in the area in its screening process.

He has had significant success on this point in challenges to licences for forestry roads -  an important cog in forestry operations as they improve access for harvesting, as well as providing space for stacking timber.

In one recent case, the FAC cancelled a licence for a road in Co Leitrim after taking into account the potential for cumulative effects on the environment by allowing another forest road in an already heavily forested area. 

‘Purely hyperbolic’

Sweetman told Noteworthy that the idea that he is making baseless claims and is to blame for any shortage of licences is “pure hyperbolic”. He pointed to hundreds of applications that Coillte put in for felling licences on one day in early August to highlight that he is only targeting a small fraction of cases.

An analysis of data released by the Forest Service to Noteworthy on Coillte felling and thinning applications since 2010 indicates that it nearly always puts in hundreds of applications at a time, with most of them receiving positive decisions. 

Coillte said that it processes and prepares a large number of felling and reforestation licences “in order to drive efficiencies”.

“Coillte’s licence application process is done in such a way to allow the Regulator [Forest Service] have an effective overview of any potential cumulative impacts that could arise. The Regulator may not be able to do so if the applications were all issued far apart.” 

DAFM assistant secretary general Hayes has also outlined concern that forestry companies are not attending some FAC hearings in an undated spring 2020 letter to the trade body Forest Industries Ireland (FII).

He said that Departmental records showed that afforestation licences linked to ten positive FAC decisions were not yet used at the time. “In the interests of fairness to all this should be notified to the FAC in order for genuine appeals to be prioritised,” he said. 

Hayes has also pointed to the general need to improve planting rates once afforestation licences are granted. In a letter to the IFA in February, he said that “existing conversion rates are completely unsustainable” with 4,000 hectares of approvals in the previous 18 months unplanted. 

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The Hedge Layer

Neil Foulkes, a seasoned hedge layer, has taken his 200-plus appeals for similar reasons as Sweetman. He told Noteworthy that, in his opinion, the environmental screening process is “completely flawed”, including failure to properly assess indirect and cumulative impacts. 

Foulkes is based in Co Leitrim and is, in part, responsible for the county receiving the highest number of appeals at 126, followed by neighbouring Cavan with 58. The majority of his appeals are yet to be decided. 

Much like Sweetman, he said that he only takes an appeal when there are “very distinct grounds for a case”. He has particular concern with the decision to screen out the need for Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) in licence applications.

This is important, he said, as, unlike Appropriate Assessment that is only for the Natura 2000 sites, EIA covers any location across the country and also looks at “social issues as well as environmental issues [such as] the volume of traffic or pollution impacting on the general population”.

In his appeals, he has also outlined his concern that the cumulative impact of forestry sites is not being taken into account in EIA screenings, pointing to 30,000ha planted in Leitrim without a single case being referred for full EIA to be carried out.  

There is a 50ha threshold for a mandatory EIA assessment even though the average size of afforestation applications nationally in 2019 was 8ha.

Proposed plantation sites under 50ha must also be assessed where it is found that there may be a significant environmental impact from the project.

Foulkes stressed that assessments should be carried out for applications for smaller plantations as impacts can be felt at far lower than the 50ha threshold.  

“Environmental protection from the Forest Service’s point of view is merely a paperwork exercise, it is not a genuine embracing of the legislation to make sure that the environment is protected,” Foulkes claimed. 

Afforestation licence data released to Noteworthy under AIE reveals that no EIAs were carried out for afforestation licences in the county since 2010. DAFM confirmed to Noteworthy that it also has no record of an EIA for forestry in Leitrim prior to 2010.

The Department said that a cumulative assessment forms part of its screening process in line with the relevant legislation and that it “is satisfied that it is carrying out its [EIA screening] processes correctly”. 

“In many cases where there is an environmental issue it can be resolved by other means e.g. Archaeology report, landscape report, Appropriate Assessment, ecology report, leading to additional specific conditions, reduced area or full refusal, without the requirement for an EIA,” it added. 

The community group

This is also a key concern of Save Leitrim, according to one of the founding members, farmer and county councillor Justin Warnock, with concerns going back decades. 

“There’s 155,000ha of land [in the county] and there’s over 30,000ha planted. We’ve never had an environmental impact assessment. Nobody knows the damage that has been done as a result of this,’ said Warnock. 

In April this year, Save Leitim members had success in one case with an 8ha afforestation licence in an area of Lugmeeltan with over 60% forest cover overturned by the FAC.

In its decision letter, it noted that, although there is “significant amounts of existing forest in the townland and vicinity”, the Forest Service “did not provide details of other plans or projects that were considered in their assessment”. 

This issue was highlighted in two other successful cases taken by the group in 2020 for afforestation licences within 0.5km of Boleybrack Mountain SAC in Dergvone and another in Drumarigna.

Through the Dergvone appeal, it was revealed that Leitrim County Council told the Forest Service that new afforestation in the already heavily forested area is “strongly discouraged”. The FAC found that the screening made no reference to projects considered for potential in-combination impacts.

The Drumarigna appeal also concerned plans to plant in an already heavily forested area. The FAC concluded that the screening was not satisfactorily carried out, with “no assessment of relevant Natura 2000 sites or any assessment of in-combination effects with other plans and projects”. 

Warnock told Noteworthy that the group will continue to take appeals to halt what it sees as inappropriate planting, with a High Court case recently lodged against the granting of a licence for a 13ha site in Dromahair. 

As well as environmental concerns, Warnock said that social and cultural impacts of forestry is a major concern for people in the county. 

“People who live next to a forest, there’s certain times of the day when the sun never even shines on the house, and it becomes lonely and you become isolated and it has a mental effect as well,” he said. 

Mary McVeigh, who is not affiliated with the group, attests to this. She told Noteworthy that the conifer plantations beside her home “blocks out the sun in the morning and early afternoon”.

In the wintertime, she says, there is “frost for the best part of the day”, a sea change from the light that would hit the house when she moved there decades ago and the garden would be full of bird song and the grass turned for hay. 

Now, she said, the grass is mossy with briars. “It totally changes the scenery. Where we could look out and see so much road frontage or hills, all you can see now is bushes, bushes and more bushes.”

Warnock is also fearful about the impact of forestry on community connection in the already widely dispersed rural county. “We won’t have communities, we won’t have people left in the townlands,” he said, although he added that concern over planting has brought together a diverse group of individuals under Save Leitrim.

“You would never get us all at the one football match, at the one church, you would never get us all in one room, because we’re totally different. The one thing we have is this passion to stop the coniferisation of County Leitrim,” he said. 

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Living next door to forestry

This includes musicians Natalia Beylis and Willie Stewart who said that they are hemmed in on three sides by plantations, with scheduled felling work ongoing behind their home when Noteworthy interviewed them earlier this month. 

The forestry beside their home is owned by Irish Forestry Unit Trust (IForUT), a company that invests in forestry on behalf of Irish institutional pension and charity funds. 

Stewart told Noteworthy that the conifers on one side of their property went “right up against our borders” and in September 2018 he emailed IForUT to remove trees that he said were impeding onto their land and also causing issues with power lines.

In October, the company informed Stewart and Beylis that felling would commence in a few weeks, however, once operations commenced in mid-December 2018, Stewart said the couple were still surprised as they were woken up very early in the morning by the works. It was a “panic-inducing” experience, according to Stewart.

“There’s lights coming in our bedroom window. There’s the sound of the beep reversing on those machines. It was like just waking up in the middle of the M50 but there was a crash,” he said. 

The couple contacted IForUT about the operations and the contractors were informed not to start before 8am for the rest of the felling works. In a statement, IForUT said that it “takes care to consult with directly affected stakeholders before operations commence and we actively engage with them on any concerns they may have”.

“There are some legacy issues with forests that were planted before guidelines existed, in particular in regards to trees close to homes,” it said. “Over time, these issues will be resolved as the forests are harvested and enter the next cycle where we can implement setbacks and better planning.” 

The company has now implemented setbacks from Stewart and Beylis’ property at the replanting stage following clearfell. 

Beylis said that the couple’s experience of living so close to several forestry plots and seeing clearfelling firsthand has meant that they have learned a lot about the difference between a plantation and a forest or woodland. 

“Forests are places that are long-term, that clean the air, that sequester carbon permanently… Forestry is what you see behind [our house] that gets planted and taken away every 30 years.”

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Lack of transparency

Fintan Kelly, a Birdwatch Ireland policy officer specialising in forestry policy, is also concerned about the current system for notifying the public of licence applications that he said lacks transparency and increases the likelihood that a decision will be appealed.

“The information [on the Department’s website] is that there’s an active licence application within a particular timeline, within a particular county and covers a particular amount of area,” he said. “How can you possibly be informed about what the potential impacts are on the environment?”

The Department recently recognised in a briefing for a Government memo in July 2020 released to Noteworthy that “very basic information on an application is provided in the published lists”. The document adds that the need for citizens to make requests for supporting documents also “creates an administrative burden” for the Department.

According to Neil Foulkes, you need to constantly check the website for applications and then send an email requesting supporting documents. While records for afforestation and road applications are usually received within a day, Foulkes said that this is often not the case with felling applications. 

When he spoke to Noteworthy in September, he said that he was still waiting for documents 14 days into a 28-day period for appealing a felling licence. On 15 September, Noteworthy requested records on six licences for which Foulkes had also requested documents, two each for afforestation, felling and roads. 

While records for the afforestation and roads applications were received the same day, records related to the felling applications were only released on 24 September.

The Department told Noteworthy that it has experienced a “large increase in information requests over the last year” and that it “strives to answer queries as quickly as possible”.

It is currently developing an online Forestry Licence Viewer similar to the planning system that will provide details of site location, townland and county, size and the site boundaries, as well as give access to supporting documents such as maps and environmental assessments.

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Room for improvement

Even the information received by statutory consultees in the forestry licensing process such as An Taisce is often poor, according to ecologist Elaine McGoff who examines hundreds of licence applications for the environmental group. 

“The quality of the maps can be really bad resolution [and] we’re often sent documentation and it’s missing the essential parts like a bio-area map and table to show how they’re calculating areas set aside for biodiversity,” she said.  

“The decision letter will almost always just say something like all forestry conditions will apply. It’s literally two or three bullet points saying standard forestry conditions will apply so you have no idea if what we said has been taken on board.” 

The Department of Tourism, Gaeltacht, Culture, Media and Sport – under which the National Parks and Wildlife Service sat until recently – told Noteworthy that “on occasion referrals to NPWS could benefit from additional information and detail of the proposal and in such circumstances responding in a precise and detailed way can be challenging”. 

“NPWS have however met with the Forestry Service in the past and there has been agreement of the need for a review of the referral process,” it added. 

In a statement, DAFM said that it is “continually seeking and improving the quality of applications for forestry licences, and in the quantity of information provided”. 

Recent examples, it said, include circulars issued to foresters and other forestry stakeholders in 2019 on biodiversity mapping standards and the need for detailed mapping with harvest plans. In 2020, it also issued circulars with templates for AA pre-screening reports and guidance on completing a Natura Impact Statement (NIS).

It said that “DAFM and NPWS meet regularly on various issues, and refinements to the referral process can be considered at such forums”. 

Lack of ecologists another concern

The lack of trained ecologists within the Forest Service – it only had one ecologist directly employed between 2010 and 2019 – is another reason why the current licensing system is “not fit for purpose” and why there are delays with licences, according to Birdwatch’s Fintan Kelly.

This issue was raised in the 2007 Bioforest report that stated: “The employment of an ecologist by the Forest Service was a welcome development, although more than one ecologist is needed.” 

A reply to a recent AIE request from An Taisce seen by Noteworthy gives an insight into the workload of the ecologist, with 206 afforestation licence applications on their worklist in mid-December 2019.

A lack of expertise, Kelly said, leaves the Forest Service open to “making poor licensing decisions that may be in breach of the law” and risks for the sector “underpinned 100% by Irish taxpayers money and contingent on cross compliance at an EU level”.

In 2019, just under €90 million was spent by the State on forest activities including afforestation, maintenance grants, annual premium payments and grants for forest road infrastructure

The Department of Agriculture said that extra staff are being appointed including 13 additional full-time ecologists, as well as forestry inspectors and new administrative staff.

Industry warning

The forestry industry had warned of these problems as far back as December 2018 when Mark MacAuley of Forest Industries Ireland (FII) told DAFM that a “historical lack of a co-ordinated approach to addressing approvals” was leading to lower planting rates.  

FII, whose members include some of the largest forestry players in the country, recommended bringing in more inspectors and ecologists to address the “ecological bottleneck”.

The industry has not been satisfied with the speed of change, with MacAuley expressing concern to the then-Minister for Agriculture Michael Creed in May 2020 that there is “little indication that the Department shares the sense of urgency of the industry”.

Speaking to Noteworthy, MacAuley said that it “was clear very quickly that it was going to take quite a lot of time” for DAFM to develop the new process for environmental assessments and that it was “never willing to give us any commitment in terms of dates, timelines, or deadlines”.

He said that the sector received “vague reassurances” that licences would be processed in a timely manner but that very quickly there was a “downward spiral” and the volume of licences went down. 

“As it transpired, it basically took them a year to get the system up and running and that’s where the big, big, big backlog came from,” he said. 

Dermot Houlihan of the Association of Irish Forestry Consultants (AIFC) also told Noteworthy that the Forest Service was warned of the coming issues. “Now it’s come to the stage of ‘Oh, well, it’s this Sweetman guy who stopped it’ – nah, it’s not, not at all.”

“It’s not the appeals process that is the problem. It’s how the thing is administered is the problem. The appeals process is only just the most recent chapter.”

He said that the backlog was now “stopping everything”, including thinning and broadleaf licence applications. One client, a farmer waiting over two years for a licence to plant 30ha of broadleaves was recently told that he now needs to carry out a Natura Impact Statement (NIS) to speed up the licence process, Houlihan said.

Voting with their feet

If a project is screened-in for AA, the Department may request the submission of a Natura Impact Statement (NIS) or prepare an in-house Appropriate Assessment Report, in which case, Houlihan said, “you’re going to be waiting an awfully long time for your project to be licenced”.

Producing an NIS, he said, however, is very costly, especially for farmers who want to plant on their land. “If you’re selling a clearfell, then the NIS cost can be absorbed into the revenue. With afforestation and thinning, this is a real problem because there’s no significant revenues there. So you have a complete breakdown in the system.”

The problem was also raised by the IFA’s farm forestry executive Geraldine O’Sullivan to DAFM assistant secretary general Hayes in an email in February 2020 released to Noteworthy

“This is hugely damaging to the sector and will result in farmers abandoning the management or being forced/inclined to sell their forest asset,” she said. “If there is a continued requirement on farmers to undertake a NIS to get a licence, the future of farm forestry is very questionable.”

This issue was recognised by the Forest Service in a recent presentation on environmental assessments, outlining “inherent difficulties” with the NIS model including delays, cost, applicants unfamiliarity with the process and variability in quality of statements received.

Due to these ongoing delays and administrative issues, Houlihan, who has planted since he was a student, told Noteworthy that he has not planted trees now for over two years and that other contractors are leaving the sector.

“People are voting with their feet and looking for other jobs,” he said, adding that “forestry is now toxic for landowners”. 

The Department of Agriculture told Noteworthy that it “acknowledges the frustration in the sector” and that ecologists, administrative staff and forestry inspectors are being recruited as part of a project plan to deal with the backlog.

“Legislative changes have been introduced to create further efficiencies,” it added.

New appeals legislation

Earlier this month, the Forestry (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2020 was signed into law and will see fees introduced for forestry applications, submissions and appeals. It allows the FAC to determine appeals without an oral hearing and to sit in divisions of itself. 

It also provides the Minister with responsibility for forestry, currently the Green Party’s Pippa Hackett, with the power to make regulations on specific procedures in relation to appointments to the FAC and other FAC matters.

Neil Foulkes told Noteworthy that he is concerned that the introduction of fees is in contravention of international conventions and EU law that public participation in environmental matters should not be prohibitively expensive. 

“What happens if you live on a route with all the haulage traffic, you could be impacted by 20, 30, 40, 50 licences every year… you would have to pay a fee each time to appeal if you didn’t think that your rights were being considered in the process,” he said. 

Despite the addition of fees, Justin Warnock said that Save Leitrim will continue to battle on, so long as what it sees as inappropriate licences continue to be issued in the county.

“It’s our county, at the end of the day, it’s our heritage, our culture and a future for our youngsters. We need a future… It’s a David and Goliath battle, but we’ll get there.”

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The first part of this investigation came out yesterday. We revealed that licences are still being approved for planting on biodiversity-rich areas and sensitive peat soils. Read the article here.

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    Of course we can learn lessons from the past, but the world is a very different place today with asymmetrical conflicts and issues.

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    @ED: I encourage you to do some research and compare Islamic terrorism, anti-sematism, rape, and gang-related crime and violence from welcome nations such as the U.K., France, Germany and Sweden with the likes of Poland or Japan. There is a common denominator here.
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    @PC Principal: crime is down to one thing and one thing only, poverty and inequality and nothing else. The most dangerous countries on the planet to live in a dirt poor with no migrants so were does your fantastic logic fit in there? The one percent are the real enemy, they are sucking more and more wealth for everyone and are using their influence in the media to point the finger at migrants etc to take the focus off them.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 5:58 PM

    @Peter Hughes: I accept that, but look at statistics and demographics for the countries I listed above. Again, I’m not xenophobic. I genuinely wish things were different but there’s no point in burying our heads in the sand

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    Jan 21st 2019, 6:09 PM

    @Peter Hughes: Just under 20% of the polulation is non-Irish, one of the highest rates in Europe for a tiny Country, have we not done our bit in that respect ?
    CSO also show that approx 9,000 pps numbers are being registered every month and that only 9% of Asylum Seekers were found to be genuine.
    This is the Elephant in the Room when it comes to the Housing Crisis.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 6:30 PM

    @Gowon Geter: where did you get that 9% figure from do u mind me asking?

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    Jan 21st 2019, 6:33 PM

    @Gowon Geter: vast majority are eu nationals as you know….we can travel to them and they can travel to us….either this or leave the EU which will see them all leave and you can have your pure blood utopia whatever that is while you are trying to find dinner in a bin because we would be wiped out economically.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 6:49 PM

    @Gowon Geter: Out of all OECD countries, Ireland has the highest percentage of its native-born population living overseas. Even though Ireland has started recovering from the devastating impact of the financial crisis, emigration remains high with 35,300 people leaving in the 12 months to April 2015. This was a 13 percent drop on the previous year where 40,700 Irish people moved overseas. An OECD analysis has shown that one in six Irish-born people now live abroad.” Having 18% of Irish born living abroad. Now being xenophobic and having so many people abroad doesn’t make senses.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 6:59 PM

    @Gowon Geter: Absolute vast majority are Brits / Americans

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    Jan 21st 2019, 7:04 PM

    @Gowon Geter: ….(tumbleweed)…an example of the utter lies that get spread around here. And such a shame that ppl will happily jump on that like a dog in heat

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    Jan 21st 2019, 8:01 PM

    @Peter Hughes: The Media is Non-Existant, yes, all of those poor Countries are actually RICH Countries, Looted & Gutted from ‘Within’ by the IMF & World Bank, in order to Remove their Sovereignty, & buy up National Assets at a discount, a bit like they did to IRL in 2008, but Globalist Pawn Higgins won’t mention that.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 8:25 PM

    @Gowon Geter: “CSO also show that approx 9,000 pps numbers are being registered every month”

    Wrong: Here’s the net immigration figures.

    2012: -25,700
    2013: -18,700
    2014: -8,500
    2015: 5,900
    2016: 16,200
    2017: 19,800
    2018: 34,0000

    Net immigration was 2,800 per month last year (.

    We had had 4 years in a row where more arrive than left, previously more left than arrived. 25% came from the UK, 7.6% from the EU, 8% from Australia, 4.4% from the US and 45% came from outside the EU (15,500 or 1250 per month).

    See: Table 3 Estimated Migration classified by Sex and Country of Origin/Destination, 2012 – 2018 – https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2018/

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    Jan 21st 2019, 9:14 PM

    @Gowon Geter: The Irish Government pays €5.5 BILLION to 10,000 NGO’S operating in Ireland. Higgins is a Globalist puppet. There is No difference to British Plantation or Global Plantation. The Only ‘Racism’ is Anti-White, Anti-’Christian’ Racism, via those who Own the Central Banks & Media, & control our Pawn Government, Judiciary, Garda, & HSE. Wake Up IRL.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 9:24 PM

    @Ramón Nomar: The Subversives Pawns in Government are conditioning the Sheeple for the UN Migration Pact, that the Fake Media refused to report… The UN Pact makes Migration a ‘Human Right’ & any objection a ‘Criminal Offence’. The UN will eventually remove ALL Borders, & END ‘Nation States’. Higgins is a Pawn, used to ‘Patronize’ the Irish Sheeple into Submission. Open Borders for Israel.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 9:45 PM

    @David Jordan: David ‘The Truthy Bomber’ Jordan from dooowntooown to blow your lies out of the water!! You’ll have a field day with this sausage that just landed. Not worth it by the looks of it though.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 9:59 PM

    @PC Principal: “The difference is we did not pose the very real and dangerous risk of terrorism”

    This is historical revisionism – the Irish Fenian Brotherhood literally invaded Canada in 1869, we did indeed have our own foreign fighters and terrorists back in the 19th century day in the US.

    The Usual Way of Doing Things (depicting the Irish as militant troublemakers), by Thomas Nast, 1871 – https://i.imgur.com/LjZxIW1.png

    The Irish Fenians and other Irish militant groups sprang up in the US in the aftermath of the famine and particularly after the end of the American Civil War. They attacked British interests and freed former slaves, and they most incredibly invaded Canada. A force of 60-700 Fenians fought Canadian forces in the 1869 Battle of Ridgeway – the Fenians won by the way.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ridgeway

    There was pervasive anti-Irish sentiment as a result. That is what Gangs of New York is based on, a sanitised version of the violence instigated by the Irish in New York that forgets the killings of former slaves; the Irish were worried they would steal the menial jobs.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 10:09 PM

    @Fionn_Oisín: “The Irish Government pays €5.5 BILLION to 10,000 NGO’S operating in Ireland. ”

    No, the Irish government spent €750 million foreign aid in 2017, 0.25% of our Gross National Product (€300.6 billion in 2017) on charity. 22% (€165 million) when to Non-Governmental Organisations (NGOs), 0.055% of our Gross National Product.

    You have thus exaggerated by 3333%.

    A full breakdown on spending is available here…

    https://www.irishaid.ie/what-we-do/how-our-aid-works/where-the-money-goes/

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    Jan 21st 2019, 10:10 PM

    @Peter Hughes: ‘one thing and one thing only, poverty and inequality’. That’s two.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 10:42 PM

    @David Jordan: The fenians weren’t terrorists you can find them on the militia groups register in america one of the hundreds of groups that were operating legally in america and could bear arms due to the 2nd amendment.

    canada was outside of american jurisdiction
    the french and indians had raids operating regularly.

    The gangs in new york were a result of failed multiculturalism where blacks, irish, italians english, and others were cramped into different areas and as a result riots, gang wars etc happened regularly

    The anti catholic propaganda was in all protestant countries not just america they also had ones made of germans.
    In the modern sense they were some of the first memes.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 11:12 PM

    @Fenian: Build the Wall, history repeats – https://i.imgur.com/r2hXt72.jpg

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    Jan 21st 2019, 11:59 PM

    @Fionn_Oisín: You won’t get many agreeing with the truth. This is population replacement bigtime. The EU recon we can hold 65 million by 2050. I was in Liffey Valley SC last weekend and if someone dropped in from space they would not know what country they were in.

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    Jan 22nd 2019, 12:33 AM

    @wacker macker: “he EU recon we can hold 65 million by 2050. “#

    The population of Ireland is predicted to reach 5.8 million by 2050…

    https://www.populationpyramid.net/ireland/2050/

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    Jan 22nd 2019, 3:19 AM

    @PC Principal: when they say the famine what the really mean is attempted genocide by the British. And yet they remain on friendly terms with the British even inviting the filthy Queen to this shore.

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    Jan 22nd 2019, 9:03 AM

    @David Jordan: David you appear to be confusing net migration figures with immigration. The net figure of 34k is correct but this is made up of Immigration approx 90k with Emigration (people leaving) approx 56k a net figure of 34k. Therefore the total new PPS is 90k or 7.5k per month. In addition the natural birth rate is 30k, which is 3.5k per month. So the total new registered PPS if everyone that arrived and were born applied immediately is approx 10k.
    Figures based on CSO data for 2018. So in summary 90k new people arrived in Éire in 2018 which was up from 84k in 2017 and required new PPS numbers and not 34k that you referenced.
    https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2018/

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    Jan 22nd 2019, 7:05 PM

    @John: I did day “net immigration figures.”, I did not confuse anything. Net migration is the most important figure, this figure increases (or decreases) the proportion of the population with an immigrant background, that is what most people worry about, immigrants staying here. People are not so concerned with e.g. Chinese or Brazilians studying and working for a year here and going home.

    Also, it’s interesting to see that 61.7% of immigrants who arrived in the 12 months before April 2018 had a 3rd level qualification, significantly higher than the Irish population (43%). Also, Polish (122,515) are 23% of all immigrants, have (3.6%) almost half the unemployment rate of Irish (6.0%). The next largest group of immigrants are UK nationals (103,113), and they have an an unemployment rate of 3.9%. Polish + UK nationals make up 42% of immigrants in Ireland.

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    Jan 22nd 2019, 10:14 PM

    @David Jordan: David you responded to a previous poster who stated approx 9k PPS are issued per month. You stated this was wrong, I’ve just pointed out this is close to factually correct. ie 90k immigration and 30k born so approx 10k per month (if everyone entitled applied) new PPS per year in 2018. I believe you further stated that the real figure of new PPS was around 3k per month based on a net figure of 34k which is wrong.
    I’m sure you appreciate its important to not misrepresent data and to ensure stats and data are analysed correctly.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 5:11 PM

    And why the return Micky?

    It’s because working class people people with legitimate grievances about unfettered immigration are drowned out by so called “moderates” as racists and Nazis…

    Why are we surprised when they get snapped up by UKIP, Pegida and others?

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    Jan 21st 2019, 5:19 PM

    @IrishFreeThinking: We don’t do discourse well, we never did…we are getting worse at it…can’t blame the Brits or the church this time!

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    Jan 21st 2019, 5:30 PM

    @IrishFreeThinking: Who appointed you as a spokesperson for the working-class people?

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    Jan 21st 2019, 5:36 PM

    @Orla Smith: He can speak for me anyways

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    Jan 21st 2019, 5:57 PM

    @Gowon Geter: He has my vote too

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    Jan 21st 2019, 6:05 PM

    @Gowon Geter: not me. This ‘unfettered immigration’, open borders bollix is….bollix! Where were all these paranoid folk a few years ago? We’re not Britain and we’re not America. Racist, paranoid rhetoric is festering like a virus on here the last two years based on what is happening in other countries. We take in flip all asylum seekers and refugees and fg has increased deportation orders substantially compared to ff. Ppl need to have a cuppa n chill.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 6:12 PM

    @Orla Smith: am I to assume that you are all for socialism, give everybody everything for free off the backs of those who work there ass’s off and get robbed in tax’s to support those what sit at home ???

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    Jan 21st 2019, 6:31 PM

    @Bruce van der Gutschmitzer: it’s a joke not liking foreigners and having some many people living all around the world at the same time.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 6:40 PM

    @Karllye kripton: Vast majority of extra taxs, are to repay the banks for their gangsterism, the billions of taxs that have been poured into the creation of a private company called Irish water, the hundreds of millions recently paid to bondholders with interest, the writing off of a billion euros to the likes of Denis O’Brien. All this facilitated by politicians, Yet you blame people on social welfare.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 7:21 PM

    @Bruce van der Gutschmitzer: the Irish Muslim population is expected to believe increase by 186% due to immigration by 2030 according to Euro Stat.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 7:22 PM

    @Karllye kripton: I don’t support the Irish Yellow Vests.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 7:34 PM

    @Toby Fish: do you have a link to that? If that’s true… our Muslim population will go from 1.4 to 2.6% of the population. Without taking in the natural increase if the national indigeonus population anyway so it’ll basically be in and around less than 2% of the population. That scares you I take it?

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    Jan 21st 2019, 8:08 PM

    @Toby Fish: ….hellooooo…Tooooby…… gotta link there bro??……

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    Jan 21st 2019, 8:47 PM

    @)Toby Fish: 186% increase on 2016 figures, 63,443 (x1.86) will result in a Muslim population of 116,000 by 2030. The population in 2030 is predicted be 5.2 million. Thus, Muslims will be about 2.2% of the population in 2030.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 9:34 PM

    @IrishFreeThinking: and Saint Patrick himself an immigrant. When we were all lunatic clans fighting each other. Sounds familiar these days, except we didn’t turn our backs to Patrick in fact a Welsh name is now perceived to be Irish. #whoknew

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    Jan 21st 2019, 10:08 PM

    @Orla Smith: Yr such a Pawn Orla, like Higgins himself.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 10:09 PM

    @Bruce van der Gutschmitzer: Fake News. Ireland has the Highest Immigration in the EU, & the Lowest Deportation numbers. In fact, 80% of FAILED Asylum Seekers are Not Deported.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 10:12 PM

    @Galwaygogo: Was he Tax Funded at €2.4 Billion, 2005-2015, with €848,000,000 spent accommodation, catering, language classes & welcoming committees ? What a joke comparing Our Patron Saint to a modern day Economic Migrant Scam.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 10:47 PM

    @Fionn_Oisín: Oman is a mainly Muslim country, 6.5% of the population are Christian and it has many Christian churches, Hindu Temples etc. It is the most peaceful and tolerant Muslim Arab nation, respecting Christians, Hindus and people of many other faiths. I have friends who visited and camped in the desert there, people there were friendly and kind.

    It is a fine example not only to other Arab counties but to us as well…

    https://youtu.be/d5y85yWB6Kc?t=735

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    Jan 21st 2019, 10:59 PM

    @Galwaygogo: thats ancient times and your forgetting the high king existed then
    st patrick wasn’t an immigrant he was captured in the slave trade
    he later went back to wales and then came back
    wales was gaelic so he was coming back from a gaelic/celtic nation so emigration to here would’ve been easy

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    Jan 22nd 2019, 12:44 AM

    @Fenian: wales was gaelic

    True, however Saint Patrick was a Roman citizen, his given name was Pātricius. He likely spoke Vulgar Latin at home rather than old Welsh. His father, Calpurnius, was a decurion (equivalent to a member of a city council) and deacon. His grandfather Potitus, according to tradition, was from Glannoventa, modern Ravenglass, in Cumbria.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 5:13 PM

    Conflicting nationalism by its very definition with the international family of nations suggests he’s either out of touch or trying to be virtuous

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    Jan 21st 2019, 8:39 PM

    @PC Principal:
    And he didn’t seem to mind at all the very real, dark murderous nationalism practised by his hero Fidel Castro.
    Bu then, the Left have always excused the actions of their own, however terrible they were.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 10:20 PM

    @The Quare Fella: our centre left government of the time supported and enabled global terrorists Team ‘Murica as they plundered their way through the middle east, murdering millions and destabilising an entire region of Earth all in the search of and stealing of black gold so that balances it out maybe. Don’t get me wrong, I detest dictators of all kinds but let’s not kid ourselves-our centre left and right are lapdogs to the world’s biggest bully. At least aul Fidel didn’t have aspirations of grandeur and wasn’t arrogant or self obsessed enough to step past his front garden….all the while avoiding assassination attempts because of a difference in ideology.

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    Jan 22nd 2019, 3:15 AM

    @Bruce van der Gutschmitzer: what you are there is talking truth to the left and that is their Achilles heel they cannot handle the truth. In a way being a leftist it’s like being in a cult totally brainwashed.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 5:33 PM

    He is so phony. The false idealisms are socialism, feminism, the green movement, multiculturalism All empty meaningless and soul dead and will not bring world peace.
    Only hope is if everyone starts thinking clearly and speaking truthfully.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 5:46 PM

    @nora boyle: thinking clearly and speaking truthfully are 2 very different things.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 8:05 PM

    @Roy Dowling: They are, but you can’t have one without the other.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 5:59 PM

    Virtue signalling from the pulpit….

    A good UN enforcer….

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    Jan 21st 2019, 6:32 PM

    More globalist, open border propaganda. Ireland needs a Donald Trump.

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    Jan 22nd 2019, 1:39 AM

    @Carnac: Casey #1?

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    Jan 21st 2019, 5:15 PM

    Pay the nurses

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    Jan 21st 2019, 5:45 PM

    @Robbie Redmond: not in his power to pay them.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 8:57 PM

    @Robbie Redmond: I thought it was about conditions?

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    Jan 21st 2019, 9:32 PM

    @Robbie Redmond: That’s Right. The Nurses are being exported by the Plane Load, while they IMPORT Nurses from India & the Philippines for €10 an hour. Subversive FG/FF Pawns have OVER SPENT the Budget for the new Children’s Hospital by €1,400,000,000……….., €1.4 BILLION !…………… But Refuse to attend the Public Accounts Committee, for the Mission Billion+ ! The Irish People are being Looted by a Pawn Government. There is Plenty of money for the Nurses Wages. Stop drinking Fluoride in yr Water, used to Sedate you, & make u fat, & Submissive. Wake Up IRL !

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    Jan 21st 2019, 9:37 PM

    @Fionn_Oisín: and the world is flat…………

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    Jan 21st 2019, 11:10 PM

    @Fionn_Oisín: Irish are leaving Ireland because in other countries are getting more money. That’s what a economic migrant is.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 11:32 PM

    @Ramón Nomar: yes, we go to America, Australia, nz, Canada, the oil rich Emirates, Hong Kong, Singapore just about anywhere where there is money. We are v much economic migrants. But it’s ok because it’s us. Meanwhile, we have full employment and need foreigners to fill jobs that the ‘spongers’ and ‘scratchers’ that people cry about on thejournal won’t take. We also need 80,000-100,000 foreign construction workers just to build houses and apartments. People just don’t like hearing the cold, hard facts. We need workers for our economy to grow, the Irish abroad have made their lives there and hypocrites on hear don’t want to hear about it or come up with a solution. It’s just easier to release their frustrations on those without a voice. Grow a pair of balls Ireland!

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    Jan 21st 2019, 5:25 PM

    What he speaks of won’t effect him ….
    Liebour in his blood..

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    Jan 21st 2019, 5:56 PM

    President Higgins should warn of the return of ‘the ugly, hobophobic corruption of liberal elitism’. We have a domestic refugee crisis (homeless Irish Citizens dying on the streets) to solve. Only then will we have the capacity to deal with the victims of global conflicts and economic migrants. It’s undersandable that Ireland’s impoverished may not be visible from high ivory towers, or through rose tinted spectacles.
    At least our public health service is almost on par with the health services of a war torn country, so no culture shock there!

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    Jan 21st 2019, 5:59 PM

    @Gallery and Museum Staff in Ireland: *’understandable’.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 6:22 PM

    Only disdain for the narrative that all immigrants arriving here are refugees when clearly most are not.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 6:45 PM

    If we wanted globalism we would have remained in the globalist British empire. I personally have nothing against other ethnicities or countries but the whole point of independence is to decide matters for ourselves.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 5:35 PM

    The corruption? Since the foundation of this state two political parties have governed..corruption is their legacy. Today these two parties are in collation The Blueshirt/F.F. collation represents everything that has sullied the name of this so called Republic.

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    Mute Carnac
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    Jan 21st 2019, 6:37 PM

    Whatever happened to the idea of helping Nations develop so that they could help their own people?
    Forget that, let’s just abandon Africa and all the other Third World countries of Asis and Central America and bring them all to Western Europe and America.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 9:59 PM

    @Carnac: BILLIONS is poured into Africa & most of it disappears. The Elite don’t care about migrants, they are using them as Pawns to destroy ‘NATION STATES’.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 5:11 PM

    Was Michael D present at the original sitting of the first Dail in the Mansion House?.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 5:45 PM

    @BaaB: He was in his nappies i believe

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    Jan 21st 2019, 5:11 PM

    Wise words, we all need to do our part to stamp out the influence of those looking to divide us.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 5:17 PM

    @Rochelle: Says your one!

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    Jan 21st 2019, 9:15 PM

    @John Smith: Answer of the day. Well done.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 7:47 PM

    Same old waffle, from the same old waffler.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 7:13 PM

    The Irish establishment know there’s an avalanche of discontent coming their way as soon as no Deal brexit comes to pass. And they should . They haven’t prepared the country for its real negative outcomes.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 6:11 PM

    Irish people are going to be a minority in Ireland in 30 years and this is what this clown is talking about. Yikeeeees

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    Mute Ramón Nomar
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    Jan 21st 2019, 6:37 PM

    @Rocky Stefan: if you are so worry about it you can start bringing back the load of Irish living abroad. It’s not like Irish are escaping from war to be leaving. Explain why 50.000 Irish are ilegal in America. Seriously, why end ilegal in America? If you feel you are going to be minority is because you are leaving.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 9:41 PM

    @Ramón Nomar: The Majority in Direct Provision are from Pakistan, Nigeria, Albania, & Georgia, Low wage Countries.., NO Wars ! Subversive Flanagan handed out 20,000 Irish Passports to illegal Minors, ignoring the Constitutional Will of the Irish People, who voted NO by 79% in 2004 to anchor babies. The Number of Irish illegals in America was not established, some reports estimate 10,000, but this is out of the US Population of 323 MILLION. The number of Illegals in Ireland however, Soros Féin estimates is over 100,000, others estimate up to 60,000 with PPS Numbers. There is No Housing Crisis. A ‘New Plantation’ is taking place all over Ireland’s Rural towns, & in the main cities, by a Subversive Government, to create a Low wage, Mixed race Federation of NO identity, 2 END ‘Nation States’. The UN will become the Big Bully, after the EU falls by Design. Turn off Rté Propaganda TV & do yr Own research.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 11:06 PM

    @Fionn_Oisín: Irish are economic migrants. And they are leaving Ireland, for economy reasons, having now 18% living abroad, and are they getting upset because other countries are doing the same?

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    Jan 21st 2019, 11:37 PM

    checkmate
    irish people dont get welfare in the usa They Work.
    its the same with australia, dubai, new zealand etc
    and look up the stats for nigerians in ireland 90% are on handouts

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    Jan 22nd 2019, 2:13 AM

    “@Fenian: “look up the stats for nigerians in ireland 90% are on handouts”

    I can’t find those Stats. Could you provide a link to them.

    Of the 57,850 Black or Black Irish in Ireland (1.2% of the population), 6,683 are Nigerian-Irish or 5,551 Nigerians, this is 0.25% of the Irish population (22% of Black or Black Irish).

    On the other hand, 78% or 45,616 are Black or Black Irish of various other nationalities e.g. Congolese, South African, Zimbabwean, Mauritian and Moroccan etc.

    Also, the population describing themselves as “African” the 2016 census decreased by 1.2% compared to Census 2011, attributed to more people calling themselves Black Irish instead of African.

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    Jan 22nd 2019, 8:38 AM

    @Fenian: a economic migrant is a person who travels from one country or area to another in order to improve their standard of living.

    The Irish are economic migrants is a fact.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 7:57 PM

    Wiki:
    “Nationalism is a political, social, and economic ideology and movement characterized by the promotion of the interests of a particular nation, especially with the aim of gaining and maintaining the nation’s sovereignty over its homeland”.
    He’s our President and he calls this xenophobic? When public figures distort definitions, they have an agenda.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 10:51 PM

    Nationalism isn’t a dirty word regardless of what the so called elite tell you.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 6:36 PM

    Our idiot president saying there is open disdain for immigrants and asylum seekers. What a gobsh!#e! Get the gov to fix the massive crisies in this country first and then we’ll welcome our fair share of non nationals to the country!

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    Jan 21st 2019, 7:08 PM

    There are 2 narratives to his idiotic comment. 1 is because of our politicians poor national governance, we are taking in as many immigrants as possible as part of our govs deal to pay back the govs debt, in the middle of our housing crisis. Instead what he’s saying is we’re all racist, this gov is gonna take in plenty more and we’ve just gotta cram into whatever accomodation we’ve got while our self serving politicians unjustifiably make themselves wealthier than they could ever be. Well I welcome change, better governance and the end of our political disasters that are FF, FG and labour.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 7:23 PM

    How much more insulting and punishment can the people take from these despicable awholes before they wake up and rid this country of these FF and FG shower of jokers. We laugh at the brits but the Irish establishment politicians arrogance and contempt towards the Irish public is astonishing.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 8:05 PM

    @Adrian: I agree that our government is a disaster. But when you come out with a statement like “we are taking in as many immigrants as possible as part of our government deal to pay back the government debt” then it all just comes across as unhinged, paranoid rambling. You’re one of the ‘in need of a cuppa tea’ brigade. Put the feet up, take a breathe and then sip a cup of silky Barry’s….or Lyon’s…I don’t discriminate!

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    Jan 21st 2019, 9:56 PM

    @Adrian: Our Fake ‘Contrived’ Debt was €64,000,000,000 BILLION (9 Zeros) in 2008/9, & has now Morphed into €211,000,000,000 BILLION, we are only barely paying the interest…, which is exactly how the IMF wants it, in order to Remove Sovereignty, a bit like they’ve been doing in Africa for decades. They also destroyed Greece. The New Plantation is also ‘Contrived’ to ‘breed out’ White ‘Christians’ & ‘Nation States’ by a Zionist Elite 1%. The Kalergi Plan 1924. Merkel received a Kalergi Prize from her ‘Overlords’. Wake Up IRL.
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?99477-Who-Really-Owns-The-Banks-(Some-answers-inside)

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    Jan 21st 2019, 9:57 PM
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    Jan 21st 2019, 10:01 PM

    @Bruce van der Gutschmitzer: It’s Partly true, Pack & Stack them into Apartments for Agenda 2030, Agenda 2040. Global Socialism, Communism, Destroy the Family, Destroy Religion, Remove Property, Destroy the Nation. Marxism, socialism, for end game, Communism.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 10:25 PM

    @Fionn_Oisín: Leo and co are far far removed from communism Fionn me ul flower. The TD/landlord class are bleeding workers dry while they watch their pockets bulge.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 8:42 PM

    Higgins reminds me of a character from wanderly wagon if people can remember that children’s programme kids grew up with in the 70s/80s

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    Jan 21st 2019, 7:43 PM

    “Xenophobic corruption of nationalism”, is that the opposite of xenophilic corruption of nationalism?

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    Jan 21st 2019, 6:46 PM

    The old goat croaking out ideology as decrepit as his wrinkly auld you know what…

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    Jan 21st 2019, 8:40 PM

    Silly old goat people like Higgins and the not so long ago departed Sutherland have no idea and want to turn Ireland into a third world dustbin . 8.3/10 bit harsh

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    Jan 21st 2019, 7:27 PM

    An ecosystem is an ecosystem, even when it’s a socio-economic ecosystem and just as fragile:
    https://www.woodlandtrust.org.uk/blog/2018/11/red-squirrel-facts/

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    Jan 22nd 2019, 9:21 AM

    I say let the leftists bring in as many people as they want so long as they house the migrants and pay taxes on their behalf.

    It’s only fair. I don’t see why the rest of us need to be paying for it.

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    Jan 22nd 2019, 10:24 AM

    ” duty to honour the past and fashion the future, for the benefit of all of those on this island and in solidarity with our sisters and brothers from other nations”. I wonder if that includes the 100 million Marxist victims and the failures and destruction caused by the ideology that the little Higgins still holds.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 6:54 PM

    Lots of Higgins triggered folk on here

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    Jan 21st 2019, 10:49 PM

    The amount of whiny right wing people in these comments though :’)

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    Jan 21st 2019, 11:59 PM

    @Keith O’Reilly: with that profile pic look whos talking ahahahaha kek

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    Jan 21st 2019, 5:35 PM

    So long as Squeaky Barrett’s National Party and Identity Crisis Ireland (are they even still a thing?) keep getting zero votes, and zero people continue to turn up for that pathetic Irish Yellow Vest protests we needn’t be too worried, but always keep an eye on them. There are still a few morons who have given the likes of the High Priest of Comedy Grand Torino a nice comfy living by donating to his Patreon page, suckers!

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    Jan 21st 2019, 5:40 PM

    @Orla Smith: Think you need to head back the US of A .. There was hundreds at the Irish Yellow Vests Protests and the only thing pathetic about them is that we dont have more of them.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 5:44 PM

    @Orla Smith: What did you think of how your hero Hilary Clinton treated Monika Lewinski ? any true Feminist should have real big issues with that, especially the defamation of her character and hinting at mental issues !!!

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    Jan 21st 2019, 5:45 PM

    @Gowon Geter: Hundreds? 20 turned up at the Dáil last week. I’m an Irish citizen, I’ll head back to the United States when I wish.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 5:47 PM

    @Gowon Geter: Hundreds, barely 60 at the last one I seen last weekend.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 5:49 PM

    @Gowon Geter: About the same I think about Dido and Chritstina Aguilera I suppose.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 5:56 PM

    @Orla Smith: Why not use an Irish Flag then ?, why not a picture of Irish people in your Twitter Profile created only a month back then ?

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    Jan 21st 2019, 5:57 PM

    @Roy Dowling: Oh so the only protest was the one you saw then ?
    So it isint raining here at the moment becasue you cant see it ?

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    Jan 21st 2019, 8:06 PM

    @Gowon Geter: your account is barely two months old and you’ve splurged utter lies above.

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    Jan 21st 2019, 10:44 PM

    @Rowe de Molay: *You’re

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