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'He obviously lives on Mars': 5 winners and 5 losers from the political week

You win some, you lose some…

EVERY WEEK, TheJournal.ie casts its eye over events inside and outside Leinster House that have got people talking.

As the saying goes: ‘You win some, you lose some.’

So here are our political winners and losers from the past seven days:

The 5 winners of the week are…

1. Dermot Looney

The Mayor of South Dublin has set a positive example of how politicians can be a force for good by donating a portion of his salary to a fund to benefit community groups in his local area. Looney told us this week about the high demand for funding and how he’s not sure if his successor will follow his lead, but we sure hope they do.

2. Noel Rock

On the subject of politicians’ pay and expenses, this Fine Gael candidate in north Dublin has declared he will not take any expenses if elected to the city council next year. Rock got himself into hot water with others in the party over his questionable numbers on how much this would save, but aside from that it’s the principled stand that he is taking which has to be admired.

3. Luke ‘Ming’ Flanagan

As much as it might have annoyed the Ceann Comhairle, the independent deputy’s publicity stunt in the Dáil on Thursday morning was one way of raising the issue of contaminated water in parts of Ireland.

It’s a big problem and hasn’t been addressed, yet people are expected to start paying for their water from late next year. The government has pressed ahead with water charges using guillotine and all on the legislation, but don’t expect politicians, including many on the coalition backbenches, to stay quiet about this issue in the months ahead.

4. Senators

There’s been much debate about the usefulness of the Seanad this year having been threatened with abolition but for the verdict of the people. In raising fresh allegations about the goings-on at NAMA, Darragh O’Brien and Lorraine Higgins proved how it can be a useful forum for the divulging of information that might get them into trouble if they said it outside the chamber.

Credit also to Senator John Crown who used parliamentary privilege to raise fresh questions about St Vincent’s Hospital and the alleged practice of charging health insurers for cancer drugs which it had received for free.

5. Joan Burton

The Social Protection Minister might well be the hero of the week having ensured a €1 million donation to charity on behalf of the government through savings in her department. Meanwhile, further savings to the tune of €47 million due to a fall in unemployment have been allocated to health. When you add to all that the fact she is one of the most popular ministers in the country, it’s been a good for the Labour TD.

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… and the 5 losers of the week are…

1. Seanad reformers

Campaigners for reform of the upper house have been pushing for universal suffrage but the Taoiseach appears to have firmly ruled it out this week, a blow to the likes of Feargal Quinn and Katherine Zappone whose reform bill - "that could be law by Christmas" - now appears dead in the water.

2. The government

The medium-term economic strategy was heavy on the green and heavy on the spin but in terms of detail about just how the coalition (and its successor) will reach a balanced budget and nearly full employment is far from clear and much will depend on external factors such as growth in the eurozone and investor confidence in Ireland.

Added to that, the comments from Jose Manuel Barroso this week do little to aid the government's long battle to get retrospective recapitalisation of its banks.

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3. Referenda(ums)

What good is it asking the people for their verdict on the Constitution if most of them don't bother and those that do are left utterly confused? The need to reform the way we do referenda or referendums - and it can be either - was made clear this week when it emerged that 55 per cent of those who voted were unclear about the ballot papers and what they meant in the most revent votes on the Seanad and Court of Appeal.

4. Bill Tormey

The north Dublin-based councillor may have had a point about the accuracy of party colleague Noel Rock's figures but there was really no need to engage in the name-calling and petty insults. It will be interesting to see what the voters make of this little spat in the Ballymun-Finglas area.

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5. Dublin City Council

In a story that we're sure to hear more about in the New Year, the city council says it risks losing billions as a result of its handover of assets to Irish Water. This is all due to happen on the 1 January with the council claiming it faces €330 million in pension liabilities. The councillors want to meet with Environment Minister Phil Hogan. Will he oblige? One to watch in 2014.

Pics: Dave Nowak, Twitter and Photocall Ireland

P.S. That's all your weekly winners and losers for this year. Watch out for our bumper winners and losers of 2013 on 30 December.

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    Mute David Field
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    Jun 6th 2024, 1:24 PM

    Meaningless Manifestos. Meaningless Slogans. Meaningless Promsises.

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    Jun 6th 2024, 2:09 PM

    @David Field: True, but in terms of the wording, SF are making the most sense

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    Jun 6th 2024, 3:18 PM

    @Thesaltyurchin: @Thesaltyurchin: ”Sinn Féin’s manifesto makes no mention of the migration system.”

    They’re not making much sense on the issue of immigration, which affects nearly every other issue people worry about.

    Immigration is the biggest issue for most people according to a recent Irish Independent poll.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/elections-2024/local-election/elections-2024-poll-what-do-you-believe-is-the-main-issue-in-this-local-election/a455437151.html

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    Jun 6th 2024, 7:08 PM

    @Dave Callaghan: it’s all false promises. Why would you vote for any major party, they promises the stars, but yet it’s cloudy 99% of the time. We need a change, but who do you pick. As a person in the 50s I’ve seen frist hand what FFG has turned this country into. I’m not voting SF either,they talked the talk, but aren’t willing to walk the walk.

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    Jun 6th 2024, 1:34 PM

    Fianna fails could not be more vague or even half hearted. Looks like somebody literally phoned that in or wrote it on a post-it note

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    Jun 6th 2024, 2:32 PM

    Ireland is the only country in Europe that allows asylum seekers to vote in local and European elections. An asylum seeker can register to vote without a passport or ID.
    Department of Justice figures from last year confirm that 85% of asylum seekers entered Ireland last year without passport or ID. They can now vote in our elections.
    Establishment parties are relying on the vote of asylum seekers as they know the majority of Irish people have turned against them. Asylum seekers and economic migrants have been granted the power to shape the future of the Irish political system.
    This is an extremely sinister move by our government and is an attack on our democracy.

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    Jun 6th 2024, 3:45 PM

    @JagTune: Great little rant about sinster moves by the government to attack our democracy.

    The problem is that we actually had a referendum in 1999 on this, where the people of Ireland had the democratic right to decide on this issue, and 77.83% of us voted in favour of it.

    Of course, this predated the rise of right-wing hysteria, it was back when we all had hope for the future, could make ends meet and didn’t look for an easy target to blame all the problems of the country on and instead held politicians to account, to actually sort out the problems themselves, rather than just looking for a scapegoat to blame them on..

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    Jun 6th 2024, 4:36 PM

    @JagTune: Asylum seekers can not vote in European elections in Ireland. Further, asylum seekers can not apply for asylum without proving their identity, so there are no asylum seekers who’s identity has not been established voting in local elections in Ireland. Your post stinks of mis-truths and prejudice

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    Jun 6th 2024, 1:30 PM

    Problem is they rarely deliver, they often knowingly lie, they are primarily driven by retaining their income and claiming as many expenses as possible and finally the guy in all councils with the most power is not elected so what’s the point.

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    Jun 6th 2024, 1:38 PM

    FG are promising to fix all the things they broke, like some thug telling his beaten up wife that he won’t do it again, that it’ll be different from now on and that he really loves and cares deeply for. her.
    Time to stop feeding the hand that bites us.

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    Jun 6th 2024, 1:44 PM

    @Fidgenti: they cannot be smacking up the women now

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    Jun 6th 2024, 1:39 PM

    What Fianna Fáil really meant to say was – underdelivering for Fine Gael in the past, underdelivering for Fine Gael in the future. Fine Gael really meant to say working with Fianna Fáil, working for Fianna Fáil. FG and FF should officially join forces and become one party. There is zero difference between them now, and they have been great bedfellows in government in destroying the country. A vote for FG is a vote for FF and vice versa.

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    Jun 6th 2024, 1:48 PM

    Should all these things not have been done years ago, what have they all been doing for years gone bye

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    Jun 6th 2024, 1:41 PM

    Who will get rid of the usc? They will get my vote

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    Jun 6th 2024, 1:46 PM

    @Sean Money:
    None of them so, and if any candidate in a local election tells you they can, you have found the biggest liar of them all

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    Jun 6th 2024, 1:54 PM

    @P. J.: it makes me sad

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    Jun 6th 2024, 1:57 PM

    @P. J.: What about any of the nazi people and far rights, surely they would?

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    Jun 6th 2024, 1:55 PM

    There’s actual people out there that believe that waffle

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    Jun 6th 2024, 1:52 PM

    Just make sure you do vote. Don’t take anything for granted.

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    Jun 6th 2024, 1:55 PM

    Same old, same old … roll in 10 years, rinse, repeat.

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    Jun 6th 2024, 3:43 PM

    Only party getting my Vote is the ones going to stop our country getting invaded .

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    Jun 6th 2024, 1:39 PM

    Hooray everything will be fixed finally!!!!

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    Jun 6th 2024, 3:12 PM

    When Palestine becomes more important than Portlaise – you know parties have no real agenda except jumping on trends. SF’s biggest revelation this time around has been them cosying up and bending over backwards with the Islamists.

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    Jun 6th 2024, 5:13 PM

    @DCQ: Yeah, that’s why they don’t get my vote this time. Independents it will be.

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    Jun 6th 2024, 6:07 PM

    @Kush OMeara: Is that you Mattie?

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    Jun 6th 2024, 2:30 PM

    There’s no need for The Journal to read it to us and there’s no need for anyone else to read it either because all we’ll read is spoof.

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    Jun 6th 2024, 2:27 PM

    So FF are going to mandate gender targets for board appointments in local authorities. Well they have just lost one vote with that silly proposal and hopefully will lose more if they continue down the road of gender (and other) quotas.

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    Jun 6th 2024, 1:57 PM

    Manifiestos are spoofery. That said, despite polls making a lot of presumptions on the alleged fall in support for Sinn Fein, I think a lot of younger voters 18-34 will probably vote for them in the impending elections and a future general election.

    Simply because they have no historic baggage about them, attacks on Sinn Fein from FFFG about being the past political wing of the IRA, means as much to them as someone talking about FFFG actions during the civil war, because they didn’t live through any of it, to them its all just boring history.

    I personally doubt that Sinn Fein in government will deliver on any of the things they promise in opposition, and suspect that they will claim they need at least two terms to fix the mess left to them, but I would be delighted to be proven wrong.

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    Jun 6th 2024, 2:22 PM

    @Dvsespaña: It’s not the past IRA history that is causing the drop in support for SF. It’s their constant flip flopping on all major issues so no one knows where they stand on anything.

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    Jun 6th 2024, 3:27 PM

    @Nodon: Congratulations on arguing against a point and claim that I didn’t make..

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    Jun 6th 2024, 1:43 PM

    @Ulysses 31:
    Thankfully there is so many candidates of the hard right variety that their support will be spread thin, very few, if any will be elected and the majority of people will be able to ignore them.

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    Jun 6th 2024, 1:52 PM

    @Ulysses 31: Nonsense.

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    Jun 6th 2024, 2:12 PM

    @Ulysses 31: It begins with we need to stop and repatriate international protection applicants, then all of a sudden it’s we need to stop unlimited economic migrants because they are the problem, then before you know it, it’s ordinary citizens being stopped in the street by psychopathic bureaucrats and told their papers are not in order, and them sending anyone that disagrees to re-education camps…

    Then eventually, people begin to wonder as they have at various points throughout history, how and when exactly did we allow these vicious lunatics to take control?

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    Jun 6th 2024, 2:19 PM

    @P. J.: if people use their transfers properly their vote will consolidate. Hopefully they will do and the results will be a better reflection of public opinion.

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    Jun 6th 2024, 3:16 PM

    @Ulysses 31: There lies the problem, because there isn’t a right-wing lite, or a limited form of fascism. It is like every other ideology, a self perpetuating bureaucracy that compounds itself.

    In Germany in the 1930′s, Hitler was saying to voters that they needed to help him rebuild Germany for Germans.

    The Germany that was destroyed physically and financially by losing WW1 and being forced to pay reparations, he told them that with their support in voting for his national socialist party he would take back control of Germany and regain its former glory…

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    Jun 6th 2024, 3:17 PM

    On the surface, this appealed to a lot of ordinary German people that were struggling to make ends meet, categorise people by race or ethnicity, expel from Germany everyone not aryan German, and seize the assets and businesses of foreigners

    Hitler kept the crazy talk about genocide, slaughtering the Jews, the disabled, homosexuals, gypsies and anyone not aryan German, to his inner circle with whom he had tried to overthrow the German government through an earlier insurrection in 1923, at least he did until they finally held the reins of power, by then it was too late and the die was cast and the rest is history…

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    Jun 6th 2024, 2:04 PM

    Fine Gael are going to place bees on the roof of local authority buildings where practical.
    Do they mean hives? And presumably that’s only possible on flat roofs. And they’d need trained Bee keepers. And a risk assessment cos people might get stung.
    Don’t think it’s practical.
    But I could be wrong.

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    Jun 6th 2024, 1:38 PM

    We read the manifestos so you dont.

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    Jun 6th 2024, 5:58 PM

    Not one mention of crime or antisocial behaviour. HOW on earth are local councillors more concerned about Palestine, a country over which a local councillor will have absolutely ZERO power to help or influence outside of virtue signalling by waving a flag around outside city hall, than the absolute state of our inner cities when it comes to open drug dealing, antisocial behaviour and general crime. This is an absolute circus.

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    Jun 6th 2024, 8:39 PM

    can we have our country back please ..that’s all

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    Jun 6th 2024, 1:39 PM

    Not easy to predict results on this occasion .

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    Jun 6th 2024, 3:17 PM

    Seems that they are all striving to do these things nothing concrete so basically bs

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    Jun 6th 2024, 9:42 PM

    Which party should I vote for to control migration into our country.
    SF don’t care.
    Ff and FG want us to take migrants that arrived illegally from other countries.
    Which party to vote for in the EU elections..

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    Jun 6th 2024, 10:29 PM

    The Coalition parties have done massive damage to Democracy in Ireland, they have failed the Irish people who have lost all trust in all arms of the State & no longer swallow the lies & false promises. They brand those who question their actions as Far Right, deflecting from their failures, as they know that things are about to change drastically in Ireland. They must solely take responsibility for this & why people are seeking extremes. The Opposition are no better, in fact nobody sees anybody in Dail Eirinn as leaders or providing leadership. The fact is, it’s now too late for the Coalition parties, the days of people giving them another chance is gone. The Referendums were a warning & the vote went unheeded by our Political Classes, too late now.

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    Jun 6th 2024, 2:02 PM

    Ireland’s maritime climate is one topic among many within the umbrella of the Earth science of climate, just as geology and biology cover many topics within their respective research areas.

    The idea of making climate one thing, in this case, long-term weather to suit computer modelling, reflects poorly on society, from politicians to the electorate.

    An element of social politics would be to curtail the influence of scientific method modelling. Because that subculture cannot be inspirational, of necessity, it must be hysterical and dire, so a creative and productive society does not need it.

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    Jun 6th 2024, 2:15 PM

    @Gerald Kelleher: Doesn’t really matter if one believes or not. There are ways to heat your house, some of them make sense and some don’t. The path of reason should be the journey we’re on, but people are terrified of change (the only certainty apart from death) and so are incapable moving past almost any societal road block. In Ireland its evident throughout our society, with nearly all of our infrastructures suffering generational neglect.

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