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SINN FÉIN LEADER Mary Lou McDonald has said she will meet with several other party leaders over the next week, and said she hopes to meet with Micheál Martin as government formation talks continue.
Speaking on RTÉ Radio’s This Week programme, McDonald criticised Martin and Fianna Fáil for not reaching out to Sinn Féin since the general election.
“They’ve talked to others, the only group that they steadfastly refuse to speak to is the second largest party in the Dáil,” McDonald said.
“For Micheál Martin to look down his nose at over 400,000 people who voted for Sinn Féin, and to disregard those votes en masse is really a bad look” the Sinn Féin leader added.
Micheál Martin confirmed on Wednesday that Fianna Fáil has approached independent TDs who, he said, “clearly have a potential role” in the government formation negotiations.
It is now widely accepted that Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael will again form a government with a third party and both party leaders confirmed as much this week.
McDonald conceded that Sinn Féin had not made enough gains in the recent general election to enter government, but added that the election results had confirmed that 2020 “was not a flash in the pan” for the party.
“I think it confirms us as a significant, very potent force in political life here in south of the border,” McDonald said. “It confirms us as the leader of the opposition”.
McDonald added that Sinn Féin have a duty to “press” Fianna Fáil “to step away from failed, disastrous approaches that they have been pursuing with Fine Gael over the last number of years”.
“Our job is to, where we can, move heaven and earth to effect change, where change is so desperately needed in government policy,” McDonald said.
“Our job is to hold the government to account, to keep the pressure on, because we need substantive change. If we don’t affect that change, we will simply have a slow motion re run of the last five years”.
The Sinn Féin leader also ruled out rumours that she would run as Sinn Féin’s candidate for the upcoming presidential election in 2025.
McDonald said she was previously unaware of claims that she was planning to step down as party leader for a presidential bid, adding “I suppose column inches have to be filled and stories have to be told”.
“It’s not something at all that’s been on my horizon. I have a very busy and a very responsible role,” McDonald added.
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They can’t talk to SF. They have a long term arrangement with FG to hoard power. It’s not a coalition, which is by definition a “short term” solution.
@Louis Jacob: Marxist fantasy is long past it’s sell by date. The average person could run the country better than the ideologically out of date left.
@thomas molloy: The election is over. The only ideology relevant to this conversation is the ideology of democracy.
@thomas molloy: Also. I’m not a marxist. I’m a pluralist. But without Marxist ideology we wouldn’t even have a democracy. We’d have a king.
@Louis Jacob: That king would be me
@Maximilian Kolbe: Who knows? But you guys really need to learn your history. Start with the proclamation. It’s only a page.
@Louis Jacob: As I said elsewhere we haven’t had a majority government since 1977, so how can you define coalitions as ” short term ” when we’ve had them for over 40years in various guises. If that’s your argument it’s a pretty weak one.
@Paul O’Mahoney: We’ve never had a situation like we have now, where 2 parties have a cynical rolling arrangement to protect power at the expense of a third, equally as popular, party, who are barred from negotiations. Like I said below, you can rationalise all you want, but one equal block of voters are being barred from the conversation, for no realistic reason. I went with it the last time, as it was legitimately promoted as a temporary fix, but a second time is disingenuous and anti democratic.
The old adage that there is nothing as permanent as a temporary fix rings true here.
Nothing stopping FF/FG from merging if they feel they are so suited to one a other.
@Paul O’Mahoney: At the very least, they are knowingly creating contempt for the democratic process. Surely you can’t rationalise your way out of that.
@Louis Jacob: no we wouldn’t. Republicanism around a long time before Marx
@Louis Jacob: The proclamation was the propaganda. The years of dire poverty in the country, the Magdalene laundries and RC controlled education were the results. Look at facts. History writers put their own slant on the narrative.
@Louis Jacob: The majority of voters that voted FF and FG do not want a Northern controlled party in government. Democracy is majority rule.
@Louis Jacob: Ha, come on Louis, you’re a plurist, and I understand that it might lean you to think that having everyone involved is a good thing, personally I think it is too, and would love to have a government that has and meets all of us….but political parties and democracy aren’t plurist , politicians are rapacious and even Socrates in his desire to allow voices to be heard never advocated government. Society did that.
But humanity has over time developed what we now call democracy and it’s the best of a bad lot. The human condition will never accept a plurist ideal as they will probably feel they will” lose out,” even if they didn’t.
Greed isn’t good, and neither is equality or committees …..we need leadership but we haven’t yet got one anywhere.
@Paul O’Mahoney: * spelling not great on 4th pint and writing Christmas Cards…
@Louis Jacob: Surely it makes sense for political parties like FF and FG to align closer and coalesce eventually. Their grip on power is their reason for being so we can hardly blame them for finding new ways of doing that. The opposition needs to do better
@Louis Jacob:
Sinn Fein are economic illiterates, why take them on board.
@Ciaran Bolger:
Oliver Cromwell comes to mind.
@Louis Jacob:
People who voted for FF voted for them to govern.
People who voted for FG voted for them to govern
@Louis Jacob: ah poor Mary. She did nothing prior to the election to engage with potential government parties. Despite a few of her front bench making earnest efforts to be govt ready she on the otherhand abandoned ship and only kicked into gear towards the latter end of the campaign.
@Louis Jacob: sf did sorta exclude themselves???
@Darth O’Leary: I’m surprised you wrote that.
@Louis Jacob: We’ve had 2 parties sharing power for over 100 years at the expense of all others – just not together. That’s democracy manifest. There is a reason neither FF nor FG want to go into power with SF, and they made those reasons clear before we went to the polls. Voters voted for those parties on that basis. Nothing anti-democratic about it. It’s telling that the traditional Centre-Left and Centre-Right parties in Ireland are seen as indistinguishable from each other, with the Socialist-Left as the only alternative.
Personally, I’d love to see FF get into bed with SF and let FG go into opposition where they can ideally rediscover what it means to be a party that is supposed to represent conservative values. I won’t be holding my breath though as the allure of power has shown itself to be more enticing to our political classes than sticking by their purported principles.
@Louis Jacob: she is right they need change started with her going !!!!
@Louis Jacob: how can you call democracy in action contempt for democracy? An elected grouping that can hold a majority of the house can form a government as per our constitution. If a grouping don’t want to do business with another, that may be down to one group or the other… but it’s not antidemocratic.
@Louis Jacob: they won’t talk to the IRA or their political subset because decent people don’t want them to do it.
@thomas molloy: If you could find a Marxist in the Dail, you would be doing well.
@Louis Jacob: That is not a cynical role, that is politics. If the boot was on the other foot, exactly the same thing would happen! That is how the PR system works!
@Louis Jacob: They have been democratically elected, their policy was clear. How can that not be democratic?
It may be the wrong policy but it is democratic!
@Louis Jacob: There are major differences and not just the historic ones.
Would it be such a bad thing with the two of them in government. Sinn fein has some good politicians. Be a change to have a decent opposition in fine Gael.
@tommy little: There’s a waiting list for ministerial jobs. Some of those FG guys have had to be patient.
@tommy little: what good politicians? O Brion and his ilk are student debaters. The rest arent even that. Their solutions are never real solutions. More this, more that, without workable strategies and funding is not a solution. It’s the kind of thing the guy in the bar beside you says. Hoping for a more convincing, formidable opposition this time round. SF are over.
@tommy little:
They have to obey the instructions of the “Army Council” the same as a rest of Marie’s loopers.
@Alan:
90% of Sinn Fein TDs are forbidden by HQ from engaging with the media.
So the lad with the cosplay north Korean suits and makey uppey Irish name is about the best they have
@H Woo: tbh, laughable as it is, at least wee Wally tries. Mary Lou just carries on with her British name. She name calls everyone else for being a “West Brit” etc. MacDonald must sound really, really makey up in Irish.
@tommy little: 81/100 people did not vote for them
What we have now is a rationalised diluted democracy. Politics is supposed to be the art of the possible. This is certainly not that.
@Louis Jacob: Sinn Fein and their supporters should be regarded as human beings.
Their red lines are not compatible with Labour Social democrats and Sinn Fein red lines.
SF have to wait 5 years to not feck it up. Draw up an alliance with the other left leaning parties.
@Peter McGlynn: The have 3 in a row of not getting into Government…..who would want to be associated with that level of failure?
@Paul O’Mahoney: While their seats continue to increase, your logic is bizarre at best.
@Paul O’Mahoney: What a little troll you’ve become.. How many years did FG sit in opposition? ’37 – ’44 .. 4 governments in opposition. ’57-’69 .. 4 governments in opposition. ’87 – ’92 .. 3 governments in opposition. ’97 – ’07 .. 3 governments in opposition. Your knowledge and understanding of Irish politics and it’s history is tenuous at best. Maybe, you do know more than you’re letting on and it’s your bias that’s the problem.. either way, as usual, you’re talking through your hat.
@Brian D’Arcy: but their votes are down
@Sheila McNulty: Oh Sheila.. you’re talking about FPVs.. In 2020 when SF had the highest number of FPVs, they were told its seats that matter, now they’ve increased their seat number to consolidate their position as the 2nd largest party in the country, FPVs are what matters.. which is it Sheila..? Can’t keep moving the goalposts to suit the establishment party’s.. it’s beyond tiresome at this stage. And just FYI.. FF FGs combined vote has dropped for the 4th consecutive election.. at an all time low now.. wanna talk about those votes ?
@Brian D’Arcy:
They managed to get just one of the extra 14 seat available in this election.
@Brian D’Arcy: only because there are more seats in the Dail now
Why does she insist on throwing a tantrum because other parties perceive SF to be toxic?
@Sun Rise: we do need change but she’s not it.
@Sun Rise: because other parties are wrong. Is that hard to work out my friend
@Sun Rise: She is making perfectly reasonable comments on the situation. MM’s unwillingness to recognise that there is a large demographic that his party does not represent is a political failure on his part.
@John Flanagan: Well the electorate disagrees with you and SF.
@John Flanagan: in your tiny mind
@Brendan Greene: It’s 19% the 81% have voted differently thank God
@Margaret Mc garry: well Margaret at least I have one.
@Brendan Greene: the only failure here is SF. Why should martin be a part of denying this? I’d rather see a genuine left party in govt but I’m not expecting martin to facilitate that. The SF vote was down. That tells you all you need to know. They are becoming less of a force even as an opposition party. A strong lab/SD alliance could well put SF in the shade.
@Paul O’Mahoney: Clearly didn’t vote for Fine Gael so, by your reasoning they have no reason to be in government and Sinn Féin with a seat more. Suits Sinn Féin fine, they have pushed Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael into an alliance with many questioning why they are two separate parties. The waiting game is easy because they are heaping more and more pressure on themselves through failed policies which neither can claim that it isn’t their fault.
@John Flanagan: That’s not the way they or the people who vote for them see it.
@Dave Sherman: So true!
@John Flanagan: So they are all out of step only Mary Lou ?
@John Flanagan: That’s debatable given your inability to understand facts and reality.
@Brendan Greene: such nonsense sure after any election there will be a demographic of People who in their eyes are not repesented so whats new here ?
@Brian D’Arcy: They are a major political party in Ireland and have not been in Government after 3 elections…..that’s a 3 in a row of failure.
The country needs a government based on what the electorate has voted for and SFs policies aren’t what the country voted for nor do they want a united Ireland now. There are more pressing issues that people want fixed.
And why did SF stay abstentionist until 1986?
@Sun Rise:
Find it hard to operate in a Modern first world damocracy.
Up north when they are frustrated they just wind up the unionists, play the victim and walk out.
@Paul O’Mahoney: I didn’t vote SF because I believe they will destroy the FDI we currently enjoy and that has our economy a roaring success. That does NOT mean I do not want a United Ireland. I do not trust SF to deliver a UI the same way I do not trust them not to destroy our FDI. I did vote for a few of the left leaning parties. SF was not one of them. Please don’t conflate the vote for SF with people’s views on a UI. You will find by nearly all polls that people in the ROI are highly in favour of a UI.
@Eoin Jackson: no they are not, lots of people think it would be wonderful but when they dig down & realise what it would mean financially apart from the logistics & all that would mean its a very different story We need to do a lot within the 26 counties before we could contemplate any moves for a united Ireland & that will not be anytime soon
Go for it and kick out Fianna Gael. Go on surprise me
@Dan Murphy: The way things are going next election FF will have an unencumbered majority and get outstanding issues sorted. They gave us a housing surplus last time.
@thomas molloy: my hole they will
I think he owes it to those voters to at least talk to SF. It shows utter contempt for them if he doesn’t. These are ordinary people who expressed their wish for change. For MM to point blank refuse to listen to them shows the utmost disrespect. Nobody is saying he has to go into govt with SF, but at least hear them out.
@Smelly Head: why ? they have 2 completely different programmes for Government so is either one of them going to give one up ? What are u expecting to happen ?
@Smelly Head: Would that make for a better Christmas for you?
The electorate did not vote for change.SF was down 5% , FF and FG vote was up. SF is a party that somersaults on one issue to another to try and convince the electorate of their credibility. There time has past as an ascending government party. They represent raw republican ideals that are part of the past not the future.
@Camio 55: but FF and FG vote has been ever decreasing, please. I am no SF fan, but coming ahead of FG they have more right to those talks than FG, simple.
@Camio 55: sf had 400000 votes. Democracy?
@John Flanagan: 167000 less than 2020
@Paul O’Mahoney: and how many votes have FF lost since their peak? FG? Odd, but they have entered coalition talks in all the years their votes plummeted.
@Darius Guppy: it’s called having the most seats after the election. Whether the vote is up or down is irrelevant but it does put you in the driving seat. I suspect one of SF demands will be a border poll in the lifetime of this government (even though it’s not theirs to call) and I imagine MM thinks there’s more important things.
@Darius Guppy: FF & FGs combined vote has fallen for the 4th consecutive election and is now at an all time low. The auld codgers on here like Pauly don’t wanna even acknowledge that let alone talk about that though.. its “but but SF” business as usual.
@Darius Guppy: not if they have less in common
@Darius Guppy:
Agreed but Sinn Fein are economic illiterates and not compatible with a free market economy, so why would a Irish party take them on board
@Darius Guppy: This is politics, you don’t have a right to enter government. You have to have the numbers. At this present time SF don’t have them. Unless other parties want to work with them. Those parties with the votes, don’t want to be in government with them.
That is the reality of it.
I didn’t think we need her attitude any where near government talks
@Thomas Brophy: No. You’re right. They have power to divvy up.
The eternal victimhood continues that is SF carries on.
They will be sidelined again becuase no one wants to go into government with them and that is the right of each party.
They make excuses using terminology like “the long game”. They in fact lost an open goal game against an unpopular government.
@Bat Boy: so bat the 400000 gites they got mean nothing. I know ireland has gone down hill. But I thought we still had a democracy. Seems not
@Bat Boy: She harangued, harassed and criticised him for years and wonders why he doesn’t want to talk? SF logic, more like lack of it, at work.
@Brian Lyons: Maybe because there’s more at stake than Micheal’s precious sensibilities.
@John Flanagan: We do and SF was rejected by it.
@Paul O’Mahoney: By your reasoning, they were all rejected by it. FFG combined don’t even have a majority.
@Louis Jacob: No the vote was essentially to vote for parties that could form a government and a coalition one as overall majority government hasn’t happened since 1977, the electorate is well informed and voted accordingly.
@Louis Jacob: Or totally opposite to his parties views and policies it’s certainly is on basic economics.
@Paul O’Mahoney: Before the last selection, he said FF and FG were incompatible. They were in opposition for 98 years prior to that. How did that go? Their arrangement was supposed to be a short term solution. How did that go?
I know you don’t like SF but you have to admit that there has been a whole lot of rationalisation going on.
@Louis Jacob: I can’t stand any of them – SF are the worst of a bad bunch though. MLM should have stepped aside after last election and the party rebuilt.
@Louis Jacob: We had 3 parties from the 1930s they didn’t need to get into bed with each other SF were abstentionist and didn’t recognise our country until 1986 and even then it was iffy . They got their first TD in 1997, now they hold 20% of the vote and are a political party who are still playing junior hurling in the senior league.
They are nefarious and they only want a border poll, and then they’ll lose and try, try, try ………..etc. They couldn’t give a shyte about the issues the country faces.
@John Flanagan: thats rather silly there are always losers in elections do u think this is only happening to SF Voters Get real
@Bat Boy: as the old saying goes, governments don’t win elections, oppositions lose them. Very true in the case of SF who shot themselves (excuse the pun) in both feet….
Is Mary Lou hoping to whinge her way into a coalition government? I suppose it beats her previous strategy of holding townhall Trump style rallies as the pandemic kicked off…
@honey badger: It’s not going to work!
@honey badger:
I’m thinking for writing to MM
Pleading with him to show some pity and take her in.
I don’t think I could take another 5 years listening to that set of bagpipes.
@H Woo: Ha ha!
@honey badger: TROLL ALERT
There is a huge distrust and apathy towards sf…many voters cannot see them in govt…400000 might sound like a lot of votes but as a percentage of registered voters is still quite small at roughly 12%..
@Sean: probably a bit higher as the register is a mess. Might be lower who knows.
@Sean: SINN FEIN are toxic in my opinion mainly because of their close relationship to criminals. Eg: Pearse McAuley, Jonathan Dowdall, Nessan Quinlivan, Bobby Storey etc & this was exposed by their attendance at Storey’s funeral during Covid restrictions in defiance of regulations when many couldn’t attend funeral of even close family members.
@Sean: 40% chose not to vote so it’s a lot more than 12% of those who actually voted.
@Denis Murphy: my post said registered voters not actual voting on the day…sf need to ask themselves why they can’t get more people out to vote…they’re more concerned about border polls than policies that matter to people in this country
We do indeed need change. A change at the top of SF. Christ! Her “we need change” narrative is so effing boring at this stage.Will this party please rid themselves of Mary Lou.
@Gerry Lamont: Agree 100%
@Gerry Lamont: She needs to get into this Government or she will be gone by the next election
@Noelyj: Hillarious!!
@Gerry Lamont: It’s not the party’s choice. The Ard Comhairle ( formerly known as the Army Council ) anoints who stands on front of the mic.
SF & FF in power, time to start taking any money you have in accounts, out of there. No matter what Govt is formed, ordinary working people see no future or light at the end of the tunnel. Communities across Ireland losing thousands of young working people who have lost hope in any future for them in Ireland, other than living at home for the rest of their lives. While many are doing the right of passage trip to Canada, USA & Australia, many are going back the second time for good after coming home & realizing there is no future. Politics in Ireland is rotten to the core, workers are now Pawns for the Political & Business Elite.
@SV3tN8M4: why should people clear out their savings? And what do you suggest they do with the money? You’re aware of the deposit guarantee scheme, right?
@Kevin Kerr: And anyone who has more have accounts spread out over all 3 banks and other institutions.
@SV3tN8M4: they go back to those countries because of climate and life styles. Cost of living is just as high in Australia. I was born and lived there for 15 years and there is no comparison between the two of them simply because of Ireland’s geographical position.
@SV3tN8M4: In other words people more successful than you.
Yes we need change Mary Lou out
@Timothy O’Regan: She will leave when the boys tell her to go!!
SF and its supporters are the dregs of society that will be nowhere near government
@james rowan: nice to meet you dreg
@Dave G Doe: Totally agree that is exactly what they are.
@Trump24: TROLL ALERT
@Trump24: Not sure why you care. Isn’t your fetish making America great again ?
Yeah and I can try and ask Ariana Grande for a date. Same odds..
@Paddy Fahy: don’t waste your time lad she’s not a great kisser and her breath stinks. lol we live in hope.
@Nemethon: Cheers for the heads up, mate. I knew it was too good to be true!
Aren’t we sick and tired now of Mary Lou saying ” We need change” — Why isn’t She looking to talk to FG and All the other groups that were elected??. I believe that the people didn’t vote for much change other than they wanted rid of the Greens . Martin has said that Mary Lou and FF are poles apart on Economic policy , — too far to even attempt talks. Shouldn’t that be enough for her . She appears to accept that Harris wants nothing to do with her .
SF really do have a problem with democracy check out Syria they are looking for a new government
They have different manifestos and a different ethos? Why would they go into coalition?
She keeps sqaking “Change”
But refuses to go into the details of how and who will fund it.
No ML, you and SF need to change. No one wants to work with you – read the room
Let’s put back the 2 most corrupt parties in irish political history .
@Tony McGrath: you obviously dont know your history
@Tony McGrath: what about those linked to murderers and bank robber’s
@Tony McGrath:
Ireland in the top 16 of LEAST Corrupt countries in the world.
HA HA HA!!!!!!! on yer bike
The biggest change that is needed should come from within SF itself. The old mantra of change without substance has not fooled the electorate.
If SF want to be taken as a serious party for coalition in government, many internal things need to change around leadership ( IRA army council), policy (and its accountability), the missing innocent people murdered by the IRA, the SF association with criminals and gangs and an outright apology to the state for targeting and murdering our Gardai and Defense Forces.
What’s all this “we” business? I don’t want those clowns in government
The ppl have voted and they don’t want change.
@John Purcell: They do, but the change proposal wasn’t worth the risk .
@Paul O’Mahoney: 100%
We need more chicken fillet rolls
South of the border? So Donegal?
Outrageous double standards, while FF/FG preaches togetherness up North. How is any self-respecting Unionist expected to swallow this line going forward? Drop the outdated embargo on SF and talk !
@ian: What SF embargo?
@ian: That is the most novel reason for FF, FG to talk to SF, to make the Unionists happy!!!!!!!
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Your device might be distinguished from other devices based on information it automatically sends when accessing the Internet (for instance, the IP address of your Internet connection or the type of browser you are using) in support of the purposes exposed in this notice.
The choices you make regarding the purposes and entities listed in this notice are saved and made available to those entities in the form of digital signals (such as a string of characters). This is necessary in order to enable both this service and those entities to respect such choices.
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