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IN THE EARLY hours of this morning, the United States government shutdown for the first time in 17 years.
It means hundreds of thousands of workers are furloughed – placed on temporary unpaid leave – while nearly a million more are to work without pay.
How did this happen, what does it mean and what’s going to happen next? TheJournal.ie breaks it down…
The US Congress – the House of Representatives and the Senate – has failed to agree on a budget for the federal government by the 1 October deadline. Because of this there is effectively no money allocated to pay people who work for government departments and agencies.
Therefore around 700,000 federal workers – people who work for government departments and agencies – have been sent home without pay for the day. In the US they call this a furlough. But it’s anything but furry.
In addition around a million people have to work without pay, which is pretty rubbish. Speaking of rubbish the shutdown means that trash (as they call it over there) may not be collected and could pile up in some parts of the States.
All sorts of other things close down including the Smithsonian museums, national parks, passport offices, zoos (though the animals still get fed) and lots of other things. The White House operates with a skeletal staff.
This New York Times graphic gives a good breakdown of who has to work and who does. Actuaries stay at home but if you’re an air traffic controller you’ve got to go to work.
The US Capitol’s Twitter account is also impacted:
As we said, the US Congress couldn’t agree a budget to fund the government for the next year. This has been a long-time coming and the government nearly shutdown in April 2011. In recent years the government has been funded by what’s known as ‘continuing resolutions’.
This time however Republicans in the House of Representatives – which they control – tied the passage of the budget to Barack Obama’s controversial healthcare reform, large chunks of which come into effect today.
‘Obamacare’ proposes to widen coverage for uninsured Americans and mandates them to buy health insurance (there is no public health service in the States like the HSE or the NHS in the UK) but Republicans and others believe it is too costly, will hit employers hard, and impinges on civil liberties.
Republicans in the House wanted to tie government funding to a one-year delay of Obamacare but when they passed a bill on this late last night it was immediately ‘killed’ in the Senate – which Democrats control – which stripped out the healthcare provisions and passed their own budget bill.
With the two houses deadlocked the government had to shutdown. “The House has voted to keep the government open but we also want basic fairness for all Americans under Obamacare,” said the defacto leader of Republicans, House speaker John Boehner.
Meanwhile, Barack Obama said:
Most are pretty hostile towards the bill but the key here is that Republicans have a large Tea Party wing which is fundamentally opposed to what Obamacare does.
The Tea Party is a political movement which sprung up amidst the financial crisis. It advocates reductions in the national debt, spending and taxes. There are various extreme elements within the movement. Some want to shutdown the Department of Education, others are more moderate.
The point is that some Tea Party Republicans in Congress – like Ted Cruz – hold huge sway over they way in which the Republicans vote. House Democrat Leader Nancy Pelosi was in no doubt as to how much sway the movements holds, saying: “It’s the Tea Party shutdown of government.”
Estimates put the cost to the American economy at some $300 million for every day the government is shutdown.
Goldman Sachs estimates that if it were to remain shutdown for three weeks then gross domestic product – a key economic growth indicator – could be down by nearly 1 per cent in this quarter alone.
As long as the two houses of Congress can’t agree on a budget the government will remain shutdown.
Yes, there have been over a dozen US federal government shutdowns in the last 40 years but all of varying degrees of severity. Some lasted a day, others a few days.
But the longest lasted three weeks in 1995 and 1996 when a Democratic President faced off with a Republican House Speaker – just like today – as Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich failed to agree on a budget before eventually a compromise was reached:
Pic: AP Photo/Greg Gibson, File
Compromise is the key if experience is to go by but public perception and reaction is also important.
A poll out yesterday showed that most people would blame Republicans in the House if the government shut down. This significantly weakens Republicans’ hand in any negotiations as the longer the impasse remains the more damaging it is to them.
The last time the government shutdown it ultimately harmed Republicans as Newt Gingrich was ousted in the House and Bill Clinton retained the White House.
Barack Obama’s unwillingness to compromise on his landmark healthcare reform, which – as he pointed out – has passed both houses and found to be constitutional by the US Supreme Court, shows how difficult it will be for a compromise to be reached on this occasion.
No one can say for sure but in just over two weeks time the US is scheduled to hit its debt ceiling of $16.7 trillion.
The White House i.e. Obama wants to raise the ceiling so as that the government can continue to fund all of what it does.
If that doesn’t happen the US defaults on its debt for the first time ever and that’s a big deal for its economy and the world’s economy – it’s that old saying: ’When American sneezes the world catches a cold’.
But Republicans want to tie any raising of the debt ceiling to, yep, you guessed it, defunding and/or delaying ‘Obamacare’. A debt default and a government shutdown would be bad, bad, bad.
Yep and with Obama feeling there is no wiggle room on his healthcare reform and Republicans wanting to defund or delay it there does not appear to be any compromise in sight right now.
But the longer the shutdown goes on the more imperative it becomes that one is reached for the US and the global economy.
Tea baggers! They think they’re a ‘grass roots’ movement. Morons.
They’re a political movement started by the two wealthiest brothers in the US. The Koch bros. Greedy bigots!!
A pair of sc¥mbags.
Ted Cruz: People Without Health Insurance Should Get Jobs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1dgUcnMAfk
Ted is deceitfully blathering on about how Americans without health insurance are all unemployed, which makes them second class citizens in the eyes of many Republicans and their Tea Party brethren. What should these Americans do, get a second, third job?
What I find interesting, is that these people with their unwavering contempt for the less well off and the uninsurable (pre-existing conditions) call themselves Christians? Hypocrites!
The GOP and the Tea Baggers then try to link affordable healthcare to some sort of communism, invading their shores, which puts the wind up conservative voters. They scare easy, very easy. Not only is Obama and his ‘commie’ party trying to regulate fire arms, to protect it’s citizens from mass shootings, but here they are trying to make health care accessible to those who either can’t afford it, or can’t get accepted due to underlying health problems.
The US should look out for it’s citizens, not kick them when they are down. “Suck it up!” But lobbyists working on behalf of billionaires won’t see it that way. Having seen some GOP/ Tea Party supporters, I realised that some turkeys WILL happily vote for Christmas.
Thousands of disabled people have got no healthcare now .Obama lied , they have had present policies cancelled and must get new Obamacare ones ,but can’t .Pre existing conditions mean massive price hikes (my friends went from $250 to $1150 per month) or refusal of coverage at the previous level.
It wasn’t started by the Koch bros. But don’t let facts get in the way of a good rant.
They’re up to their nuts in all sorts of ultra conservative shenanigans, sc¥mbags she pair of them.
they’re libertarians, I think you’ll find. But what would be wrong with supporting political groups you agree with? should they support ones they don’t agree with?
do you donate to right wing organisations then? Or are you just full of sh*t as well.
Tim said: “It wasn’t started by the Koch bros. But don’t let facts get in the way of a good rant.”
Did you leave out the rest of your post Tim, because I was expecting some facts and a counter argument Tim. Instead of that childish, right wing, “Eh, no it isn’t.” Come on Tim. Can you do any better Tim?
Did you offer any actual evidence? No, so why should I?
You start with the ‘they’re not a grass roots movement they’re secretly just pawns of big scary rich guys’ shtick and that’s somehow an invitation to counter argument?
“Others have argued that the Koch brothers were essential in fostering the movement. . . . [Al] Gore said that the Tea Party is an extension of this political strategy “to promote corporate profit at the expense of the public good.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement
When the oil industry says that climate change isn’t happening, or when Evangelicals and Pastors claim that ‘god’ wouldn’t allow climate change, do you believe them Tim? What about the gun manufacturer’s thoughts on gun ownership Tim?
Also, I never said the Kocks were scary, merely that they were very wealthy. Which means they have power Tim. Oh wait, that’s just a conspiracy theory. No I take that back. There’s no money in politics, not even here in Ireland. What brown envelope?
well if Al Gore says so! LOL.
as you were…
Al Gore (Founder, Generation Investment Management LLP) would know all about putting corporate profits before the public good.
Wow Wikipedia a credible and reliable source that can be edited by anyone!
It is a deeply unpopular piece of legislation that was only found constitutional by a loophole declaring the mandate was actually a “tax”. Obama has already delayed certain elements of the act as it has become clear that they are unworkable. That said the republicans should let it go into effect and watch it collapse under its own weight.
Americans by 72% Oppose Shutdown Tied to Health Care Cuts.
“In a rejection of congressional Republicans’ strategy, Americans overwhelmingly oppose undermining President Barack Obama’s health-care law by shutting down the federal government or resisting an increase in the nation’s debt limit, according to a poll released today.
A majority of the public, 58 percent, is opposed to cutting off funding for the insurance program that begins enrollment today.
By 72 percent to 22 percent, Americans oppose Congress “shutting down major activities of the federal government” as a way to stop the Affordable Care Act from going into effect, the national survey from Quinnipiac University found.”
It’s simply the elitist 1% ring fencing there own tax dollars looking on with distain while the poor die in slums. Its shameful but it no way surprising. I hope Steo Brady can explain the finer details of this to us today.
Gilmores going over with a bag of money to sort it all out! They’ll be grand.
So we’re about to abolish the Seanad and we enjoy nothing better than getting stuck into politicians when they behave like doormats for the executive government.
But when US politicians stand up to the executive and say, “hang on, you can’t just keep increasing the debt ceiling with no consequences” – in other words they do they job that’s given to them by the constitution – that’s a bad thing. And it’s all their fault.
Most confusing.
it’s a little bit more partisan than that.
But it is essentially democracy in action.
Oh yes, it’s absolutely partisan. & it’s a fair criticism of the Tea Party that they’re trying to use their leverage to reopen an argument that they’ve already lost. But the only other choice they really have is to roll over and have their tummies tickled. The US constitution is very clear – that the budget is for Congress. The House has a clear mandate to reduce spending, but Obama doesn’t want to play along. So he’s also guilty of reopening an argument he’s already lost.
Emily. This isn’t about the debt ceiling. The Republicans couldn’t give a fiddlers about their debt, (which is mostly owed to themselves), I think China is the next largest creditor. Anyway, they have no problem increasing their defence budget, while taking money from education and healthcare, amongst others.
Besides, the debt ceiling was raised under Bush. This is simply another case of Obstructionism. Childish carry on, affecting many American lives, and hopefully they will pay for it when support for their very unpatriotic party wanes.
On Fox News Sunday Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) maintained that the Republicans’ number one goal remains the defeat of President Obama in 2012.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FirI3_G_0JM
Nothing about getting people back to work, bringing troops back home, providing affordable healthcare, investing in infrastructure, bringing those responsible for the economic collapse to justice etc etc. No. No. No. Get that damn uppity n*gger out of our White House! “Harumph!”
These racists knew they couldn’t get away with being honest about how they felt, so they decided to question Obama’s nationality, with that guy with the dead fox on his head, Donald Trump, leading the charge. And so we witnessed the birth of the ‘birthers’ movement.
“Busted! Health Insurers Secretly Spent Huge To Defeat Health Care Reform While Pretending To Support Obamacare”
You’re exactly right. The Republicans hate Obama just because he is black.
Absolutely agree, Emily. They’re getting blamed for behaving like a proper opposition.
Tim! ‘sup?
I seem to remember a certain Mr Romney running for president, with his young whippersnapper sidekick Ryan by his side. What a team! They vehemently opposed Obamacare, which wouldn’t have been a big deal, had it not been for the fact that it was a carbon copy of the set up in Massachusetts. Ouch! Obamacare = Romneycare.
Romney, for all his hot air, and lack of facts and figures (what exactly was in his 5 point plan?) actually did some good while governor of MA. as Obama would say; “Not Bad!”
“Elected Governor of Massachusetts in 2002, Romney helped develop and enact into law the Massachusetts health care reform legislation, the first of its kind in the nation, which provided near-universal health insurance access through state-level subsidies and individual mandates to purchase insurance.”
Indeed, the GOP came up with something similar to Obamacare back maybe around 1990 when universal healthcare European style was the Dems’ thing. Now, it might be a good question to ask why the GOP supported it then but not in 2010, but it’s also an equally good question to ask why the Dems were against it then but support it now.
In the same way, it might also be an interesting question to ask why Romney supported such a system when governor but not as a presidential candidate. However, supporting a system in one state is radically different to supporting it on a Federal basis, as you know. It would have been a good idea for Obama to have looked at the Mass.system to see what its failings were.
The us constitution is also very clear that one does not repeal or amend a law by holding the budget hostage. It requires votes in both the senate and house and signature by the president to change our laws. The tea baggers are nothing but home grown terrorists. They lost this debate when the law passef four years ago and they lost in court.
Well said. It is about mandating universal healthcare without a way of funding it except through deficit spending. Democrats want the uninsured to have good healthcare…you can hardly argue the principal. But how to pay for it? The republicans so dislike Obama that they can’t articulate the real point. And it leads to this. These are sad times.
Yes, you can argue the principle. You can provide something without having the government force everyone to do it, right?
Millions of Americans don’t want health insurance because they are young and healthy and figure they don’t need it, now they have to buy it or face fines – sorry, ‘taxes’- which will offset the losses (in theory) the insurance companies will make having been forced to insure unhealthy people by the same law. There are other ways to make health insurance, actually the cost of healthcare which is behind that cost, cheaper, but Obama is not interested.
So, yes, now everyone will have health insurance, possibly, even though it will become really expensive. Probably. Nobody knows!
I helped run a reinsurance company in Ireland that reinsured US Medical so I do know a little bit about this.. The fact is spreading the risk to all (both healthy and unhealthy or in auto for example to both good risks and bad risks) is fundamental to insurance. You all have universal health paid for thru taxes for both good and bad risks. In any event costs are an issue and need to be addressed. It is VERY interesting the insurance exchanges just opened yesterday and have been overwhelmed with folks looking for medical coverage..So ….maybe this isn’t about medical coverage or health care at all.. Maybe it is about the fact that Obama is black and the extreme right wingers (located primarily in the South – think confederacy/slavery) can not stomach a black President. It is intersting as to how this is all playing out.
‘murica.
Very creepy anti-Obamacare advertisement. As I said, the GOP know how to scaremonger and spread disinformation. The sort of qualities we usually find in Taliban leaders. (this is just one of their ads, there’s at least two)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQq09yhgv_E
The Newsroom – Tea Party is the American Taliban. (Entertaining AND informative)
But.. claiming that the GOP wants to kill your granny, and that everyone will die horribly if you don’t pass Obamacare ISN’T scaremongering?
I forgot, it’s ok when you guys do it.
What. Are. You. Talking about Tim. Seriously Tim. You haven’t added anything other than creating a nice little straw man for yourself Tim.
Can I have a go?
Hey Tim, you claim that Obama has communist links, was born in Tanzania and wants to kill small businesses and crush US freedom in the name of Mother Russia. Well, I think I can counter those arguments with, “leave him alone!”
This:
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/18/new-progressive-ad-paul-ryan-literally-pushes-grandma-off-a-cliff/
I’d assumed an expert such as yourself would have seen it.
Also, “40 million uninsured Americans!!”
I have honestly never heard of hotair.com. I just did a search on reddit.com to see if there are links to it’s articles. There’s about 5. Hmmmm. Would Bill O’Reilly, Sarah Palin and Sean Hannity enjoy this media?
You may as well link an article from Glenn Beck’s ‘TheBlaze’. Conservative media really is a joke, and not even a funny one.
who gives a damn what you’ve heard of and what you haven’t?
the ad – not the source, is clearly what I referred you to. But, any old excuse to vent your rage and your bigotries, right?
be careful, you’ll blow a gasket.
Health Care for All. / Sen. Bernie Sanders. (Independent)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-bernie-sanders/a-single-payer-system-lik_b_4021534.html
“It is unconscionable that in one of the most advanced nations in the world, there are nearly 50 million people who lack health insurance and millions more who have burdensome copayments and deductibles. In fact, some 45,000 Americans die each year because they do not get to a doctor when they should. In terms of life expectancy, infant mortality and other health outcomes, the United States lags behind almost every other advanced country.”
Bernie is a legend!
Don’t know what the tea party consist of…..think DUP……
Murica
*America
‘defacto’ is two words not one – it should read ‘de facto’.
America is the land of personal responsibility, if you dont want to buy health insurance you shouldn’t have to.
err,
what?
America is the land of personal responsibility”
Also in some states buy motor insurance – wonderful !!
PS – sorry –
”Also in some states one does not have to buy motor insurance – wonderful
Jim you have to buy motor insurance to protect other road users not just yourself. The same cannot be said for health insurance Obamacare is the federal government forcing individuals to purchase costly insurance. A lot of people who were happy with their coverage have been forced to change policies and watch their premiums skyrocket.
Really? The opportunity to buy insurance went into effect today! No one has as yet been forced to do anything and the law is ALREADY funded so shutting the government is purely a tactic by the Republicans to overturn a law that was passed legitimately.
It’s simple.Obama has created a client state in the once independent USA. The US government is the biggest employer in the country just like it was in Communist Russia. Obama is proving yet again that communism does not work. He will be impeached.
**BUUZZZZZZZ!!!**
wrong again, morticia
Haha. America is faaar from a communist state. But do tell us more about this Commie Kenyan trying to run the US into the ground by simply making health care available to those of modest means. Why would the Kochs support healthcare reform, when they can afford their own hospital/s? The Tea Bagges are sharp-elbowed, small minded, bigoted, xenophobic misers. I’m going to assume every tea bagger has health insurance and is financially secure. Americans are slowly and thankfully waking up to the fact that they have that ‘I got mine, screw you!’ mentality. Which isn’t surprising, since their only two political parties are right of centre. They have NO left wing parties and a bad track record on worker’s unions and worker’ rights. (See Walmart)
Obama the right wing commie. Haha!
That comment would indicate that us Irish and british and swedes etc are all communists!!!!well done,Scooby doo clearly has more of an idea than you do
Predictable nonsense from a FOX cultist. These idiotic comments 1) No Climate change 2) all Muslims are terrorist monsters 3) America is now a Red Commie state because now people here will have a pale imitation of the health care coverage those in other advanced democracies expect.
What next ? Should they “teach their controversy ” with regard to evolution? Is Obama truly a Kenyan? Please answer as you you really believe. Don’t hold back. I think you won’t hurt yourself with SKY news fans. In the US a few people with a lot of time on their hands ( Soc Security recipients , mostly, tea party nuts) rant and rave as the world turns away from them. Obama had a 30% plurality among younger voters. These types are rapidly dying off.
Obama is communist ?? ok -
but what planet are u from ??
Why is Obama so coy about his relationship with Frank Marshall Davis?
You are first class moron.
But I am not feeling too good about myself today for addressing your shit.
Just because the Senate stripped the ACA delay from the House’s CR bill does not mean that the government had to shut down. What is meant to happen is that both houses go to conference, negotiate a middle way and pass a compromise bill. Republicans have refused to countenance this since the spring. It is *all* on them. This is political terrorism and Obama surely know by now not to negotiate with these lunatics.
The Defence budget is out of Control – but the Neo cons want to hit Health care .- They want small govt – so that the Rich can run riot even more than art present – but when it comes to War – the taxpayer pays – even the Private Armies that US employs . Why not privatize war – and let the Kochs fund that –
Actually the US has defaulted before – but it raised the bar to create the scam that it did not default . Why has it not been hit hard by the rating agencies for so doing —these rating agencies are only too happy to hit EU countries .
the US owes China $ 3.4 Trillion.. The Fed is printing money – and buying US bonds with much of the QE money [$85 billion /month ] – and in fact creating a new bubble .
The defence budget is out of control, but it’s hardly accurate to say they want to hit health care. The disputed line item is funding for Obamacare, which has cost billions but created not a single new doctor or nurse.
US *government* spending on healthcare, state and federal, is about 9% of GDP. That’s almost as much as France. Yet agreement on a budget which doesn’t reduce this is “hitting healthcare”. Why is this?
A prelude to a much bigger problem which will be happening in a months time . The U.S is 20 plus trillion and rising it is unsustainable their debt ceiling has been reached they cannot pay their bills the only option is for them to default meaning all U.S government bonds will be declared worthless . This is the end of the dollar as the premier world currency . If you thought 2008 it was bad this is the Hiroshima of a financial crisis. In the U.S already the authorities are preparing for martial law. The worlds supposedly biggest economy is going to crash and burn just imagine what effects this will have across the planet. If you keep printing money to support insolvent banks and bailing them out at the cost of the taxpayer citizens and the real economy then at some stage a broken system just breaks and breaks for good. The American people are in a way complicit by allowing their governments to destroy their country to save the elites who have gone crazy on power and greed.This was planned from the start only three years ago Timothy Geithner showed off the incoming new world currency at a forum of world Bankers. Having a one world monetary system will give central banks around the world absolute power over the phoney governments around the world . You are now witnessing the start of a new regime the end of democracy and the elimination of the middle classes . Banks and Corporations now run the planet people had their chance to object but have been either brainwashed or scaremongered into submission. This is as they say in the Banking world IS the “End Game” when people came on here years back and asked people to open their eyes they were ridiculed time to start opening your eyes now and start thinking outside the box doing a little research and stop turning a blind eye to the looting of countries wealth by banks . The phoney wars started to steal countries resources we are all complicit by our disinterest but bad boys bad boys what you gona do what you gona do when they come for you. Wake up.
This is about full spectrum domainance across the globe,none of the debt is real,it’s funny money.These rent boy’s in Washington play out the parts on the world stage,all the while taking orders from their masters,then when they are behind closed door’s,they are clapping one another on the back’s and saying,I think we fooled them,its about gaining more power,centeralization of power,just like they are doing in Ireland with the seanad,and the dictatorship goes on.Empire building,regardless of peoples lives.This Empire is already falling,its the only one that ever existed,but down it will come.
Yep. Good summary. Messy business. Face-saving on both sides in the coming weeks. “Two victories” will be the outcome.
…that’s in reply to Emily Elephant
I seem to have upset the journalistas again. tsk tsk.
don’t worry. we’re here to help. it’ll be ok.
I’m not upset, simply bemused by your total lack of information on this subject and your incessant need to highlight that.
The state is the single biggest employer in pretty much any country, Communist/Post Communist Russia, the US, the UK, Ireland, Germany, take your pick. Your argument is invalid, not to mention nonsensical. What’s being proposed is not communism, you may want to check the definition.
What has he done that rises to the level of impeachment?
Would you impeach communists like Enda Kenny and David Cameron for their insistence on a tax to ensure people are provided with adequate health care?
Have you read the law?
Which law Sarah?
Have you?
As much of it as I could stand.
Obama’s relationship with communist terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn was enough to disqualify him for the presidency and yet they are still on his team?
The American cemetery in Colleville Sur Mer in Normandy is even closed. No flags flying over the graves. Pathetic
Man man man men playing with their balls playing around while the person on the road suffers… its a disgrace really…they cant agree… for gods sake where are we living…all about money and greed.. time to throw a bomb on it and start afresh… ICELAND I only say ICELAND!!!
I guess the government didn’t shutdown soon enough. Obama still has extra money to barricade the WWII Memorial. The honor flight veterans are flying in from Mississippi today.
I’m sure his golf game won’t suffer either. Have they planned their next vacation yet? I’m not sure how this government is representative since they keep passing laws and acting in a way that doesn’t impact themselves.
Sarah,
That’s akin to saying “I guess the still have money to close the shutters on a government building”. In the absence of staff and park security and maintenance workers, it’s only right that the facility is shut.
The honor flight veterans are flying in from everywhere, but the House of Representatives didn’t see fit factor that in when forcing this action.
The golf game comment is supposition and to be honest, probably total nonsense. I can’t think of anyone who during a crisis like this would be off playing golf, it’s irresponsible professionally and would be political suicide. What impact does the Obama families holiday plans have on this?
Regarding the laws being passed, can you elaborate? Because, this seems like a throw away comment with no substance behind it.
Please look up Obama’s golf games and see how frequently he plays during crises. Building a physical barricade for a memorial that has no gates, doors, or ticket takers is a waste of money when they have sent people home without pay.
Congress has passed laws that don’t apply to themselves or other government officials. Namely obamacare.
The journalistas keep on about the Koch Bros.but are extremely reticent about Obamas bag man Soros.
How about Obamas connection to the Nation of Islam and Louis Farrakhan in Chicago ? He mixed with some very norty people did our Baroque
Seán Gallagher you are being brainwashed,wake up lad.
Tony Doherty,
Please explain how.
No pleasing these journalistas is there, first they hiss and me and say I know nothing then when I name the terrorists and and other low life’s who surround Obama they swear at me, what’s a girl to do.
It’s a losing battle. Obama must have given them cell phones too.
She could answer the direct questions posed to her about a day ago…
Just a thought.
Any of you lefties got a comment on Obama’s connection to the ‘New Party’ ?
This is about full spectrum domainance across the globe,none of the debt is real,it’s funny money.These rent boy’s in Washington play out the parts on the world stage,all the while taking orders from their masters,then when they are behind closed door’s,they are clapping one another on the back’s and saying,I think we fooled them,its about gaining more power,centeralization of power,just like they are doing in Ireland with the seanad,and the dictatorship goes on.Empire building,regardless of peoples lives.This Empire is already falling,its the only one that ever existed,but down it will come.
Paul Kengor, discussing his new book The Communist, Frank Marshall Davis, The Untold Story of Barack Obama’s Mentor, reveals that Davis had a working relationship with Obama advisor Valerie Jarrett’s father-in-law, Vernon Jarrett, and her biological grandfather, Robert R. Taylor. Davis also had a working relationship with David Canter, a communist and mentor to Obama chief strategist David Axelrod. How interesting, he notes, that these people are now Obama’s most important advisors.
This is just rubbish, you haven’t answered a single question put to you but would rather go off topic and point to some questionable associations from quite some time ago, none of which have ever been proven to amount anything substantive.
Pretty typical tactic, can’t answer the question, start throwing some mud.
these people are now Obama’s most important advisors. Now, not in the past but right now.
Ok, but you haven’t answered a single question, addressed the points being made, all you’ve done is point to some arguably questionable people.
You haven’t spoken about policy or explained how Obama is a communist or why he will be impeached.
You’re simply mud slinging because the facts don’t support your claim.
Maybe you overlooked this “Obama’s relationship with communist terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn was enough to disqualify him for the presidency and yet they are still on his team?
Forgive me, morticia, but so f***ing what?
Morticia,
Clearly it wasn’t because it didn’t.
Also, “On his team” is yet again a BS term that you haven’t substantiated. What role do they have in the administration, what office do they hold, how much are they paid, what policies have they drafted, influenced or even commented on?
Morticia, I’ve read every one of your comments here, each as non-sensical and misinformed as the last. Which leaves me only this to say: go away. There are (some) adults talking.
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Cookies, device or similar online identifiers (e.g. login-based identifiers, randomly assigned identifiers, network based identifiers) together with other information (e.g. browser type and information, language, screen size, supported technologies etc.) can be stored or read on your device to recognise it each time it connects to an app or to a website, for one or several of the purposes presented here.
Advertising presented to you on this service can be based on limited data, such as the website or app you are using, your non-precise location, your device type or which content you are (or have been) interacting with (for example, to limit the number of times an ad is presented to you).
Information about your activity on this service (such as forms you submit, content you look at) can be stored and combined with other information about you (for example, information from your previous activity on this service and other websites or apps) or similar users. This is then used to build or improve a profile about you (that might include possible interests and personal aspects). Your profile can be used (also later) to present advertising that appears more relevant based on your possible interests by this and other entities.
Advertising presented to you on this service can be based on your advertising profiles, which can reflect your activity on this service or other websites or apps (like the forms you submit, content you look at), possible interests and personal aspects.
Information about your activity on this service (for instance, forms you submit, non-advertising content you look at) can be stored and combined with other information about you (such as your previous activity on this service or other websites or apps) or similar users. This is then used to build or improve a profile about you (which might for example include possible interests and personal aspects). Your profile can be used (also later) to present content that appears more relevant based on your possible interests, such as by adapting the order in which content is shown to you, so that it is even easier for you to find content that matches your interests.
Content presented to you on this service can be based on your content personalisation profiles, which can reflect your activity on this or other services (for instance, the forms you submit, content you look at), possible interests and personal aspects. This can for example be used to adapt the order in which content is shown to you, so that it is even easier for you to find (non-advertising) content that matches your interests.
Information regarding which advertising is presented to you and how you interact with it can be used to determine how well an advert has worked for you or other users and whether the goals of the advertising were reached. For instance, whether you saw an ad, whether you clicked on it, whether it led you to buy a product or visit a website, etc. This is very helpful to understand the relevance of advertising campaigns.
Information regarding which content is presented to you and how you interact with it can be used to determine whether the (non-advertising) content e.g. reached its intended audience and matched your interests. For instance, whether you read an article, watch a video, listen to a podcast or look at a product description, how long you spent on this service and the web pages you visit etc. This is very helpful to understand the relevance of (non-advertising) content that is shown to you.
Reports can be generated based on the combination of data sets (like user profiles, statistics, market research, analytics data) regarding your interactions and those of other users with advertising or (non-advertising) content to identify common characteristics (for instance, to determine which target audiences are more receptive to an ad campaign or to certain contents).
Information about your activity on this service, such as your interaction with ads or content, can be very helpful to improve products and services and to build new products and services based on user interactions, the type of audience, etc. This specific purpose does not include the development or improvement of user profiles and identifiers.
Content presented to you on this service can be based on limited data, such as the website or app you are using, your non-precise location, your device type, or which content you are (or have been) interacting with (for example, to limit the number of times a video or an article is presented to you).
With your acceptance, your precise location (within a radius of less than 500 metres) may be used in support of the purposes explained in this notice.
With your acceptance, certain characteristics specific to your device might be requested and used to distinguish it from other devices (such as the installed fonts or plugins, the resolution of your screen) in support of the purposes explained in this notice.
Your data can be used to monitor for and prevent unusual and possibly fraudulent activity (for example, regarding advertising, ad clicks by bots), and ensure systems and processes work properly and securely. It can also be used to correct any problems you, the publisher or the advertiser may encounter in the delivery of content and ads and in your interaction with them.
Certain information (like an IP address or device capabilities) is used to ensure the technical compatibility of the content or advertising, and to facilitate the transmission of the content or ad to your device.
Information about your activity on this service may be matched and combined with other information relating to you and originating from various sources (for instance your activity on a separate online service, your use of a loyalty card in-store, or your answers to a survey), in support of the purposes explained in this notice.
In support of the purposes explained in this notice, your device might be considered as likely linked to other devices that belong to you or your household (for instance because you are logged in to the same service on both your phone and your computer, or because you may use the same Internet connection on both devices).
Your device might be distinguished from other devices based on information it automatically sends when accessing the Internet (for instance, the IP address of your Internet connection or the type of browser you are using) in support of the purposes exposed in this notice.
The choices you make regarding the purposes and entities listed in this notice are saved and made available to those entities in the form of digital signals (such as a string of characters). This is necessary in order to enable both this service and those entities to respect such choices.
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