Classic!!

love it!!

Contender for quote of the week!

Or long grey hair straightened!

That comment is just too good not share …..besides, what did the right wing consensus government oligarchs ever do for us? Well , besides the roads, sanitation e.t.c……

Jesus, where do you get your material from, the 70′s? The SP is also part of the ULA.

Who says the ula want her as an unaligned member she does not represent me I believe that other members like me will not appreciate her presumption that we somehow are ok with her alignment with mick Wallace and her view that she is not accountable to anyone. What a waste of a good brain ego is always the downfall of politicians

I,m confused too, well Mike Wallace dodged some tax ,got caught, admitted his wrongs and made arrangements to pay the tax, and yet the media is down on him like a ton of bricks

We are all confused…i think someone should pull her aside and tell her that her love is blinding her and, that he is a very bad boy…not one to be hanging round with if she is serious about her “give us more handouts/won’t pay tax” policies…

Gerard, Mick Wallace not being behind bars is what is grating on many people, it proves the ‘one rule for them’ rule..

I think Mick Wallace has got away lightly for what he has done. However the hypocrisy of the media particularly Independent Media is staggering. Whilst these guys backed Fianna Fail and Bertie throughout blatant corruption , they have launched a massive campaign against Wallace.

What do you mean he made arrangements to pay it? i thought he said he wouldn’t be able to.

Indeed he dod SB!

……”did”

Yes Gerard you are terribly confused. Dear Mr Wallace claims its the business MJ Wallace and sons owe the money of which he is only a director off. And by hiding behind that charade he is not liable. Also he made a settlement to the tune of 1.4 million which not a single cent can be paid as he is claiming to be penniless.
So this criminal is hiding behind his Dail membership and the good people of Wexford whom elected him and refusing to actually pay a cent. A jail cell is all he should be warming not a seat at the Dail bar. Hope you are less confused now.

All the people talking about Mick Wallace… So he should be behind bars while Michael Lowry is still able to work as a TD and speak in the dail?? Getting paid with tax payers money. And Ray Burke should be allowed to keep his 3 million euro pension?

or lust ?

Hahaha. Got a giggle from that. But on a serious note, what is wrong with her, love must be blind….

Surely the best comment of the week? Take note journal.

Without a doubt the best comment yet!

According to rumours that will happen in March 2013

Cry

Yeah wasted vote. Should’ve voted for James Reilly instead, he’s great, or Michael Kennedy, heard Fianna Fail are a decent bunch.

That woman should have to resign her Dail seat! She’s let thousand’s of decent hardworking people down. One of the most inspiring orators I’ve ever listened to, but it seems it was all lies. You made Micks bed Clare, now go lie on it!!

‘hard working’?!! Majority of those who vote for Socialist Party don’t work, or ever intend to.

Irishtaxpayer , u make me laugh , Fine Gael tried to con the irish taxpayers out off taxes on their minor staff for 9 years. Yet Fine Gael were formost in their condemnation of Wallace. Such hypocrites. ! Cant wait till undereducated people like u loose your jobs due to your right wing goverments actions, or lack off rather, and realise that you were always a left winger at heart, but had not the intelligence to realise it in the first place. Wheres my BMW gone ( that I couldnt afford) shame on you.

Good riddance!

Are you purposely misrepresenting the facts david. On the other thread you were insisting she got kicked out besides the headline and the socialist party themselves stating otherwise.

Is it tough being dishonest on two threads at once??

I think you are the one being dishonest with yourself left. Anybody that forms an opinion from the headline instead of the article really needs educating.

So you’re basically calling Clare Daly and the Socialist party liars. I take it you have evidence to back this up?

No left. I’m just saying that you don’t seem to be able to read plain English.

The plain english indicates both parties say she resigned. The only party claiming she was thrown out is in your head.

You cannot continue to pay welfare to those who refuse to work and/or engage in black economy

How would that work then? Explain? I’m genuinely interested..

I’m surprised that there aren’t measures in place already.

If you elected an FF TD and he switched to FG (or vice versa, seeing as there’s a cigarette paper between the two) or you elected an independent and he suddenly joined Labour would you not expect some form of redress?

You elect someone under a banner and they switch banners.

You’re supposed to elect the person, not the party

I asked how would that work? Not about people transferring between FG and FF…which to be fair has happened how many times????

@ damocles. Lame, really lame. You don’t ned to be a member of the socialist party to be a socialist. Clares record has more to do with her efforts on behalf of the working class than party affiliation.

Try harder.

“You’re supposed to elect the person, not the party”, Invariably though people don’t.

“I asked how would that work?” I don’t know, not in a system like this, I know how it would in a First Past The Post system, I’m explaining my reasoning for asking my question.

The problem with asking someone seeking a new mandate of the electorate is that with multi-seat constituencies, TDs are elected with less than 50% of the vote. The quota is 16.67% in a five-seater. Yet in any recall system, they’d have to get a majority.

Surely TTL it would help greatly to be a Socialist when joining the Socialist Party…what has she done for the “working” class exactly, I use the term “working” loosely by the way. Do you think she is right out of curiousity to stand by her tax dodging boyfriend and give up on her old party the Socialists and Kim jung il Higgins?

She went to prison for her principals fighting for ordinary people. What have you done lately, or at all?

I pay my taxes…

So, nothing.

…I wouldnt say nothing now to be fair, my taxes fund those she claims to represent mainly being those who are living of the state. They also pay for her little jollies around the countrys along with her boyfriends protesting against various taxes….

Paying taxes is not nothing. It enables the stay to keep functioning, which is a good thing, irrespective of the direction you wish the state to follow. It is ridiculous to downplay the function of tax, especially if you claim to have socialist leanings.

But, if you are a member of the socialist party, then it is necessary to be a socialist, and so stand by the ideals of socialism. But this seems to be a highly unpopular opinion these days.

Paying taxes is wat keeps socialism going no? You know, some people paying loads of tax to keep the rest living in a “I get every thing for free” state because “I have no motivation to provide for meself” and “I deserve everything that some one else worked hard for” Thats socialism no?

So Trueleft, paying your taxes and contributing to the welfare of the people you pretend to represent is completely taken for granted? You’ve been living on handouts far to long by the sound of things…

I’ve worked full time since I was 19 (part time jobs since 15) and had two jobs most of that time to make ends meet. Hardly handouts, no?

William Quill, precisely. You have a system that not only doesn’t allow for recall but can’t.

As have most of us TTL….I hope you contribute also by paying taxes….

“How do the ULA expect anyone to take then as a serious contender to run this country when they can’t even keep their own party in order”

The ULA aren’t a party.

Your worse to let Kevin Myers annoy you. He hasn’t written or spoken something credible in years!!!

But was it inaccurate as she claimed?

It was without doubt completely true anyone exposed to her directly will tell you she is without doubt one of the most arrogant me feiner she is rude abrasive and egotistical. She has over the last while refused to engage with both ula and socialist party choosing a man over her politics. A vey able articulate woman but deeply flawed character that is incapable of being accountable to either the membership or the people who elected her. It is her that has been vindictive and backstabbing of everyone around her what she says in print and actually does are two different things

No idea, as both sides are conveniently avoiding specifics. Just a load of fuzzy mud-slinging.

@Sean Beg, no idea who is telling the truth. @ Betty Lou, fiesta heard of Clare Daly many moons ago not in the bin protests but when I worked in a Dublin Airport based Company. Management there would have expressed views on her not dissimilar to what you have expressed. I have never met the lady so I cannot comment one way or the other.

What views did i express exactly?

The Socialist Party Statement must have been signed off by Joe Higgins and the acid just sloshes from it to such a degree that Daly’s later Press release is completely naive if she thinks there will be future collaboration with her former colleagues. So much for sharing a jail cell as a part of her marketing campaign to gather future votes at election times. The real problem is one of judgement and inappropriate relationships getting in the way of principle and ethos. Daly’s political value has just collapsed and huge collateral damage has been caused to the Campaigns with which she was associated.
It will be fascinating to watch her trying to recover as the Dail vacation comes to an end.

Sean beg, I was only answering the question by you by basically saying I did n’t know the answer one way or another. So to answer your follow up question I am not aware that you expressed any views on the matter so again I cannot tell you what views you stated exactly. Hope that deals with all your queries!

You just missed it! Bankers and bureaucrats have taken over the world in a bloodless coup.

@ Sean That’s so true, and I agree with you, but to allow them get away with their cynical destruction of whole societies, and call it bloodless, is really letting them off the hook too easily. To me, what is really frightening, is that they have managed to achieve what you have said, but have transferred the bloodletting from the streets, to our homes, where it’s beyond the reach of the cameras.

You are correct Dhakina’s Sword.
I responded in a flippant manner to a flippant comment.

You guys n gals are defo on drugs I bet yiz ware track suits all the time and pyjamas to the shop …… Lol

If there’s one thing this proves is that we need a decent opposition in this country. ULA are basically a sideshow that’s going to be gone at the next election, FF are totally discredited and SF… well, are SF. There’s certainly room for a left of centre or centerist party offering a viable alternative to FG/Labour.

A bit Disgruntled there are you, why don’t you just become rich and then everyone will suck up to u???

great contribution mike

It was a genuine question…why don’t you? U received an education the same as the next person did u not?..use it and get rich instead of blaming politicians and the like..

Mick you’re a bit naive if you think hard work makes you rich. Most rich people get rich the hard way – by burying their rich parents. If hard work was the way to get rich every African woman would be a millionaire.

Big issue with you arguments there, 1 we are not in Africa, we all got educated…or had the opportunity to be educated…that is an astronomical difference. And 2, yes…most people do inherit their wealth…but the rest create it by hard work and risk. I can’t see any reason that any abled person in Ireland cannot think outside the box and either create their own job or work for someone else…if they can’t do that that ate not trying hard enough!

Mick, maybe u should give up your civil service job and get a dose of reality. Many people who went to college for 4 & 5 years in this country are unemployed in ireland because their sectors have completely collapsed. How many jobs have u created ,none I bet , very few entrepenuers or business people of worth would have either the time or lack of humilitiy to comment in such a manner and insult other country men with their ignorance. Te

Rubbish, I work in the private sector and I also have my I own small business that I work weekends on..not fully viable to go full time in yet but hope to in next 5 years. In fact if you read my other comments I have no time for waste of any sort-included the fore mentioned civil service. Now in relation to the collapsed sectors…..wat are people going to do about it? Go back to college and find a sector that does provide employment? Create a niche business in that current sector that will make you money or find a job in that sector in another country. People don’t have lack of chooses…have the balls to make the right one and they will succeed.

But mick, there are those that just want to moan and get everything handed to them for nothing. It’s a mentality that these people are brought up with you know.

True for a lot of people that they were brought up that way but some people were not brought up like that yet are still carrying on like that. It’s sad to say that a lot of the Irish nation have gone soft…blame everybody else for their own decisions and not having the self respect to get up off their back sides and doing something with their lives…ye only have one lads, it’s yer choice!

Pathetic stereo typing of people, such Rubbish. I’m a flash games developer and employ people both in Ireland and on-line from all over the world, and I still realise that some of our people are in situations that they can’t get out of , like those who have kids that have lost their careers, and can’t afford to have childminders while they study for a new career, and as a result they are stuck in unemployment, most people dont want handouts and the loss of pride that comes with it ,but I guess everything is nice and simple in your right wing little world.

We already do …. S/f

Very few are stuck my friend, where there is a will there is a way. Eg. Study on line at home…always give a solution, not an excuse… And stereotyping? Come on mister, you assumed I was in the civil service and you told me leave it??? What was that about? Fair play on the flash development though, I like that…u’d want to upskill soon though…it’s too costly and on the way out…no excuses about sectors collapsing and all now….

“The Workers Party has traditionally been a hostile Stalinist organisation. ”
Could you explain what you mean by this ? Hostile to what? And how do you justify the term “Stalinist” in relation to the party?

She has, effectively, stayed silent. All she did was confirm that the Socialists removed her / she resigned on her own free will without any pressure from other sources.

From the article “Daly has issued a statement this evening following an earlier statement from her former party ”

Was the statement issued in sign language kevin? And considering the deafening silence of inda during the referendum campaign I wouldn’t go around accusing people of staying silent,

Fiona …you silly thing! Sitting beside?……………

Fiona …you silly thing! Sitting beside?……………

Yes. That’s one of the things the SP said. That by sitting beside Mick Wallace she was giving public political support to Mick Wallace. For anyone to say there’s anything else going on is presumptuous and childish.

Anyway my main point was that there was a media hunt of Mick Wallace while an ex Fianna Gael TD is allowed to sit in the Dail after being found guilty of tax fraud and and ex Fianna Fail TD was also found guilty and put in jail but is allowed to keep a pension worth 3 million. Things have to change on a whole, not just turn on the independent who doesn’t have party backing and maybe that’s what Clare Daly was standing for. Not the desire to iron his shirts as some people claim.

Two seperate issues there. The biggest problem is that if you want to function as a party you need to have some level of cohesiveness and consistency in approach. The more radical left, being often based on emotive and ideological politics is more prone to splitting and faction-fighting than parties closer to the centre.

This is one of the reasons why (I think at least) they’ll never see actual government and are essentially a perpetual protest movement to naysay whatever the government of the day is doing and depending on economic conditions prevaling will have varying levels of representation.

So, as Clare, Ming, Richard and the rest are all too aware – they’ll never be legislating for anything themselves so in order keep getting elected it’s got to be all about personal profile over party. The tragedy is that we need a proper opposition to keep the government on their toes and we’ll never get that from the ULA. What we will get is another three years of grandstanding, wild unworkable solutions and campaigning on “local issues” – which is just old school FF cronyism of a different hue.

If it’s not propped up with taxes, what does support the state? The common man? That is tax. Industry? That also translates into tax. Taxes are the basis of a state that aims to support all of it’s people inclusively and at the highest standards possible. We mightn’t have it now, but we definitely will not have it without a tax system that provides enough revenue for the state to provide these things. The aim of any socialist-leaning policy should be to increase tax revenue in a way that fairly reflects the income of the tax payer, and that attempts to eradicate unemployment, not glorify a welfare class. Anyone who can work, should work. Tax fraud cannot be acceptable. If you do not agree to these points, any claim to be socialist or left-wing is not credible.

Yawn, I’m at a loss… What are are you trying to say? U either work or you don’t? what does that mean? Is it If you don’t work you don’t need to try and get work? Explain please?

And people wonder why the left can never unite……

cough…united left alliance….cough

Are they not united?

Explain?