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Dáil to debate symphysiotomy tomorrow

The 18th century practice of unhinging women’s pelvises after childbirth has left many survivors with permanent damage.

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A DEBATE ON the practice of symphysiotomy is to be held in the Dáil for the first time tomorrow.

Deputies have been given an opportunity to make statements on the medical procedure following a suggestion from Sinn Féin health spokesperson Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin.

A number of women who survived the operation, during which their pelvises were unhinged, are to attend the debate. Many survivors have suffered permanent damage as a result of symphysiotomy.

Ó Caoláin described the practice which was carried out on hundreds of Irish women between the 1940s and 1980s as “barbaric”.

About 180 survivors who continue to campaign for justice and truth have called for a full and proper inquiry into why the procedures were carried out in Ireland, long after they were discontinued in other countries. The women also demand a redress scheme to include medical benefits.

Following Oireachtas meetings earlier this year, the survivors have garnered backing from TDs and Senators who have joined together in a cross-party support group.

Recent developments

In February, the Department of Health received a draft report from an academic researcher who was asked to review the practice in Ireland during the 1950s through to the 1980s.

The Attorney General is considering that report and will advise Health Minister James Reilly on whether it can be made available for consultation purposes.

Previously in the Dáil, Reilly said he was “very conscious” of the distress the procedure has caused to a number of women, adding that the Government is committed to dealing with the matter “sensitively”.

He promised to ensure the greatest possible supports and services are made available to women who continue to be negatively impacted because of the procedure.

Although Reilly admitted that the use of symphysiotomy “may well…have been utterly inappropriate”, he rejected the term “barbaric” in relation to the act.

“The method was used in the majority of cases as an emergency response to obstructed labour in women suffering from mild to moderate disproportion, and as such was an appropriate clinical intervention,” he said.

“It was a standard procedure at one time and it was reintroduced to certain Irish hospitals in the 1940s as a clinical response to the limitation imposed by specifically Catholic religious and ideological circumstances.

The primary reasons were the fact that contraception and sterilisation for the prevention of pregnancy was illegal, and the safety of repeat Caesarean sections in the period was unproven.

The widening of the pelvis by up to 3.5 cm allows for vaginal birth when labour is obstructed, reducing maternal and infant death when Caesarean was not the chosen path.

The Survivors of Symphysiotomy group claims that the operations were carried out – without prior knowledge or consent – “mainly for religious reasons, by obstetricians who were opposed to family planning”.

The surgery was exhumed at the National Maternity Hospital by doctors who were hostile to the idea of family planning and who were looking to replace Caesarean section with an operation that would facilitate large families.

Nine children was the ideal family size, in their eyes. Repeat Cesarean sections thwarted this goal, they say.

At the Coombe and National Maternity hospitals, it was used in 0.35 per cent of deliveries. It was used more often – and for longer – at Our Lady of Lourdes Hospital in Drogheda.

There were apparent instances of the procedure being carried out after a baby was delivered, a practice which Reilly called “utterly disgraceful”.

Consequent mobility issues, discomfort, upset, chronic pain and difficulty were caused as a result. The Institute of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists has recognised walking difficulties, pelvic joint pain and urinary incontinence as long-term problems.

Reilly also told the Dáil: “I know people who had that procedure and have sadly passed on. I am aware of the dysfunctionality it caused them in their daily lives.”

However, he said he could not pre-empt the AG’s advice or the final report.

The technique has not been used in Ireland since 1984 and no longer forms a part of specialist training for doctors. It is still, however, taught as an emergency procedure at the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists in London.

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Comments (45 Comments)

  • @Almar,

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but even up to the ’80′s and I know what I’m talking about, I was born in 1961, you are saying that the catholic church did not rule Ireland in every way. The Gardai wouldn’t/couldn’t act on anything unless the church said so. When young children lost their mother and/or both parents, they were put into a home never to see each other again! The church ordered the gardai to take them from the home and dump them in orphanages all over the country. Realitives couldn’t even take them in.

    The catholic church ran everything in this country! What about the ‘Laundry’s'? Who did that to girls? Poor girls that became pregnant, because contraception was against the law here! Females punished for life treated like sperm of the devil! The male, no fault there at all. Up to the mid ’80′s condoms were not for sales in chemists, anywhere in the 26 counties.

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  • How much evil can one institution visit upon the Irish people?

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  • The Catholic church has so much to answer for in particular where women are concerned. However, most religions in general have a lot to answer for. They’re the cause of a lot of wars.

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  • So much for the Hippocratic oath,religious dogma apparently considered more important.

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    • AlMar 14/03/12 #

      Chelseajoe – could you please specify which religious dogma necessitates symphysiotomy?
      And by dogma I mean an actual dogma or official teaching, not a bizarre interpretation by a doctor or even a nun or even a bishop. An actual defined teaching is what I am looking for.

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    • Splitting hairs AlMar…

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    • AlMar 14/03/12 #

      Michael – it’s not splitting hairs.

      Catholic dogma has been blamed for this practice. I am stating that there is NO dogma that necessitates this practice. Some doctors may have thought that this was the case. I cannot imagine why. If this is what they thought, they were wrong.

      If people want to criticise the Church I support their right to do so. But that criticism should be based on what the Church teaches, rather than what people imagine that it teaches. The teaching of the Church is clearly laid out and is relatively easy to find in this day and age. And I say it again – there is no doctrine or dogma of the Church that necessitates this practice.

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    • Almar
      The reason symphysiotomy was common practice in catholic run hospitals was that, through the influence of certain beliefs WITHIN the catholic church, contraception was illegal in this country. Because of this many women who were diagnosed with certain pelvic bone formation were likely to become inadvisedly pregnant. The process then went on to the general application of this procedure in certain hospitals on a precautionary basis for no apparent reason other than to create a distortion in the woman’s physiology where contraception would not be a medical necessity or a temptation to break the law!

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    • AlMar 15/03/12 #

      And again, John, as I say, it is a distortion of Catholic teaching to think that one can mutilate a human being to prevent them from breaking the law or from committing a sin. There is nothing in Catholic teaching that justifies it. It might EXPLAIN why it happened, but it remains a fact that this behaviour was unjustifiable.

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    • Almar. Human mutilation is not a new thing in the traditions of the Roman Church. I’m sure one as informed as yourself will have heard of ‘The Castrati’ who were a famed male voice choir of the Sistine Chapel.

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    • Ten years ago in 2002, I could not get a tubal ligation in a particular hospital ( General / maternity hospital) because of the hospital’s ”beliefs” . Amazing really . Says it all really .

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  • @ John,

    Do you what Neary said to my sister a day after she had her twins when she was crying her eyes out in pain on a drip for a blood transfusion (because she had lost most of what was in her body in the theatre during birth, due to his incompetence and arrogance). “I’ve removed your womb and both ovaries! There were complications!!!!!!!!!! Well, what more do you want? You’ve 3 children, what do you more for”?!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Lovely ….. eh?

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    • Sheila
      Butchery. Child Sexual Abuse. Torture of Innocents. Enslavement. Ne Temere (look it up if you haven’t heard of it). Aiding and Abetting Nazi War Criminals after WW2 (‘rat lines’ – look that up too if it’s new to you) etc. etc. As some catholic contributor on here said to me before. ‘I think you have listed most of the vile’. I think he was right!

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    • The arrogance and cruelty of these people are boundless . To think of these poor women in the 40′s through to the 80′s being butchered and knowing nothing else only to do as they were told by church and school and government . They were not given the skills to stand up for themselves . I can not bear to think of them and the pain inflicted on them.

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  • @Michael Cuthbert

    Please, come back to the discussion …. I was just going to say that it was just amazing to see the amount of males leaving their opinion on this subject.

    To read that James Reilly has the nerve to say that he ‘wouldn’t use the word “barbaric” for this practice, that he would use the word “inappropriate”‘!!!!!! Good God, pity it’s not possible that he can’t be pregnant and I could put him through that agony. Bullshit. The catholic church blames women for all evil and badness in the bible. Christ, we’re blamed even for Adam eating the bloody apple!!!! Did Eve twist his arm and make him eat the bloody thing. That is…… if the silly story was true! Women were put on this earth to suffer – as far as the catholic church thinks anyway.

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  • AlMar 14/03/12 #

    There is nothing in Catholic teaching or morality that necessitates symphysiotomy, families of 9 children or even large families at all. Some crazy Jansenists in the 1950’s may have thought that it did, but quite frankly they were wrong.

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    • Well that’s a relief! So some poor deluded, conservative catholic obstetrician in the 1950’s just thought it was a good idea all on his own.

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    • AlMar 14/03/12 #

      Yes, John, pretty much. I repeat – there is NOTHING Catholic about that procedure. Some crazy doctors or nuns may have thought there was, but they were badly misinformed. That level of ignorance and stupidity on the part of Ireland’s Jansenists is no surprise to any student of Irish “Catholicism”.

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    • So their delusions are to be blamed on the Jansenist catholic clergy who dominated catholic thinking and doctrine in this country since the formation of the state and went on to infiltrate the institutions of the state – schools hospitals convents, reformitories etc in collusion, I might add, with the government of the day. Is one now to take it that this is where the Vatican is to wash it’s hands of responsibility for the influence of the catholic church in these matters by saying sure we didn’t like those Jansenist chaps either. It was all under the one roof Almar.

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    • Does it matter whether on not it’s part of catholic teaching or morality? Fact is this practice continued in Ireland long after it had been largely abandoned elsewhere. Hard to believe it continued to the 80s. Hardly the dark ages…

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    • Yes it does Michael. The reason why so many people were abused and mistreated in this country because of medieval religious practices typified by the Jansenist religious doctrine of the catholic church is worth pointing out so that those responsible stand in the full glare of recrimination.
      But then (the comment by Almar above aside) other more notables in the catholic church would like you to believe that it was the Jesuit ideology that informed our latter-day catholic tyranny. In any case the litany (forgive the pun) of abuse, like the the cat with the rat, finds it’s way back to their door.

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    • AlMar 14/03/12 #

      John: Jansenist clergy and religious did have a large role to play in the so-called “Catholic” Ireland in the early part of the last century. Jansenism is not part of Catholicism. It is a distortion of Catholicism; a heresy which is obsessively concerned about sexual morality to the near exclusion of other parts of the Christian message.It was a heresy, so it was not all under one roof as you put it.

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    • AlMar 14/03/12 #

      Michael: At one level it doesn’t matter. But then again, there are those who wish to place the blame for this on Catholicism, so for that reason it is worth putting the record straight. Perhaps some ill-informed doctors and nuns thought that Catholic morality justified symphysiotomy. I’ve no idea why they thought this. But then again, just look at the misinformation about Catholicism on the internet – people who know no better are willing to believe practically anything about Catholicism. That particular human tendency to follow the crowd may have been at work in distorting the understanding of the doctors and nurses/nuns involved.

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    • Indeed John. My question was for AlMar who is trying to make the point that this practice wasn’t as a result of catholic teaching or morality, but directed by a small number of crazies. I’m inclined to believe this is implausible. I’d be interested to know why Our Lady of Lourdes Hospital in Drogheda pops up once again when bad things happen in hospitals. Any view on this John, AlMar?

      Anyway, is it just a coincidence that John Charles McQuaid was practically running the country at the time? Never mind what the Jansenists were at…

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    • Almar I’ve heard that argument before and to be honest I couldn’t swallow it. At the end of the day they wore the Roman collar however they were influenced.

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    • AlMar 14/03/12 #

      Michael – I don’t honestly know the specifics of Our Lady of Lourdes hospital, but I have heard it mentioned in connection with these practices.

      If people want to condemn the Catholic Church, go ahead and be my guest. But at least do it on the basis of what it actually teaches. The facts do actually matter.

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    • Dr. Michael Neary is one of the reasons why that particular hospital keeps cropping up all the time. Another was it’s strong catholic ethos in matters of obstetrics. Of course one must also understand that our esteemed schools of medicine in the last century had a strong catholic ethos in teaching and methods. This I know as my mother studied under their principals of midwifery and obstetrics and on many occasions held strong beliefs contrary to prevailing opinion seldom to her advantage I might add.

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    • Indeed they do AlMar. Fact is this practice persisted in Ireland long after it ceased elsewhere. Why?

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    • Like the sound of your ma John. It was a student midwife that blew the whistle on Neary. To her cost…

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    • AlMar 14/03/12 #

      Michael: I have no idea why that practice continued here long after it was abandoned elsewhere. If I am to believe what some people claim, it is because some doctors were motivated by a grotesque misunderstanding of their religion. If that was the case, it was wrong. Those doctors (and any other nuns, priests, bishops or hospital boards who supported them) were wrong in terms of what they thought Catholicism taught. You know, Catholic teachings are not defined by our understanding of them. Those teachings exist independently of what we think of them.

      Of course, the practice may have persisted for other reasons. Religion aside, do you think Ireland was always at the cutting edge of medical practice 30-50 years ago? Are we always at the cutting edge of stuff today? There may be alternative explanations for why the practice continued. However, I admit I am more inclined to believe that the religious distortion was the main, or indeed only, driver. But that doesn’t change the simple fact that it was a distortion.

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    • Thanks Michael. Whistle blowing in her day was an even shriller prospect to the powers that be! Another instance that might enlighten you further on these matters is the Dr. Noel Brown ‘Mother & Baby’ case.

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  • Nearly all men in this discussion. I’m out…

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    • Most peculiarly so Michael!

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    • AlMar 14/03/12 #

      Sheila: The “Church” did not “run” everything in this country, at least not in a strictly legal sense.

      The issues are very complex, and hard to discuss online. My take is that, following several centuries of national and religious repression (let us remember that it was illegal to be a Catholic and to practice Catholicism in Ireland for a long time), independence saw a tremendous reaction against the prior repression of Catholicism. The pendulum swung far too far in the other direction. I am quite willing to state this as a practicing Catholic. The “Church” over-reached. But it was not all down to clerics – many ordinary people were quite happy to go along with that over-reach as well. The picture is then massively complicated by the cancer of the Jansenistic heresy in the Church here. What we saw in the early decades after independence was not Catholicism, but a somewhat heretical distortion of it. The picture is further complicated by the fact that many of those who became priests had no calling to that life – they took that road in order to have a job, to obtain education and respect. There were simply too many priests, and a lot of them were never meant to be priests. We all know what happened as a result…

      Today the pendulum has swung 180 degrees in the opposite direction. This is very understandable. But is is an over-reaction. You can see that over-reaction on this site whenever religion is discussed – the beliefs of the Church are rarely debated, and certainly they are never debated with any desire to understand them. Instead, believers are denigrated, abused, mocked and so forth. There are those who would happily see the complete eradication of religion in Ireland, and there is simply no willingness to even accept all the good that Catholics do, even when this good is incontrovertible and obvious.

      But as i said, this is an over-reaction. That pendulum has swung too far in the opposite direction, to the point where many can see no good whatsoever in Catholic beliefs. Our aim must be to have a happy medium in the middle.

      Sheila – if you want to criticise the Church, please criticise it for what it teaches. The Church does not blame women for all the evil in the world or all the evil in the Bible. Nor does the Church believe that women were put here to suffer. I can see why you might reach that conclusion alright, but it is still an inaccuracy.

      By the way, based on what I have read, I can readily describe symphysiotomy as barbaric, and also I can agree that those who routinely performed it unnecessarily were barbaric, irrespective of whatever reason they had for the practice.

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    • Almar.
      More like you and your church might see the light. I agree with that comment.

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    • AlMar 15/03/12 #

      John – on that note of consensus, I am off to bed!!

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    • Me too. Happy to have spoken with you.

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  • When I read about this earlier I struggled to understand why this procedure was used, having now checked it out I should have known it would have the grubby mits of the catholic church all over it. It’s almost unbelievable just how much power that hideous religion had in Ireland and the areas into which it managed to get it’s malignant tentacles. These women were treated appallingly by the medical staff who should have practising medicine instead of dogmatic catholic voodoo. Once again it is clear for all to see the danger of allowing any religion access to healthcare or education and why it is so important that this evil cult is taken out of all Irish schools, hospitals and care homes. It really is a sinister religion, makes me think of the nazi Dr. Mengele and his medical ethos. Then again there are a lot of parallels between the catholic church and the nazis!

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  • Almar, I don’t normally lower myself to engage in personal attacks, but in this case, I am willing to make an exception. If fallen Catholics are criminals, as you say, then I am proud to be one. Your cult is dying. I pray that it will continue dying, until it is dead and buried, forever!.

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  • AlMar 15/03/12 #

    John- I always find it fascinating how the Catholic Church gets defined by the crimes of those who don’t actually follow its teachings!

    Why should it automatically be the case that corrupt and fallen Catholics (if they even consider themselves Catholics anymore) get to be the standard bearers for how we define Catholics (or the religious in general)? For everyone of those criminals, we can find many more self-sacrificing, peace-loving, ordinary decent people (and some extraordinary ones who have done heroic things as well).

    Why do we generalise what it means to be Catholic from the minority of crooks, rather from the good example of those who actually follow what the Church actually teaches?

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