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Poll: Do you think strict rules on cigarette packaging will make any difference?

A new EU law will see the introduction of cigarette packets displaying graphic images in Ireland. But will that reduce smoking rates?

A NEW EUROPEAN Commission directive will require almost three-quarters of a packet of cigarettes to be devoted to health advertising and pictures showing the effects that smoking can have on internal organs.

The European rules, which must first be approved by MEPs and health ministers, are expected to take effect across the European Union next year.

The moves also hope to make a dent in sales of illegal tobacco, as imported and illicit cigarettes will now be easier to spot if they do not carry the EC’s health warnings

Similar rules were introduced in Australia last year, forcing tobacco firms to sell cigarettes in plain packets, largely covered with graphic health warnings.

But we want to know: Do you think these kinds of strict rules on cigarette packaging make a difference in reducing smoking rates?


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Comments (111 Comments)

  • I and my other half are trying to quit as of yesterday, so far it’s been brutal, we didn’t get a lot of Sleep last night and I have had very little time for people this morning but I shall overcome. I’m sick of hacking things up and having an empty wallet. The way I’m seeing it now is that I’m paying a handsome fee to kill myself, enough is enough.

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    • Well done Paul. I’m 2 weeks off them myself and can honestly say it’s the best thing. The cravings will pass and you’ll soon realise the difference and it’s so worth it!!! Someone was smoking infront of me the other day and I didn’t want one!!! Was so proud!! I think the person has to want to give up otherwise any image is not going to work. It didn’t with me anyway I just didn’t look at them.

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    • I gave up 5 days Ago and what helped me is Alan Carr book the easy way to stop smoking. This book is no magic but it helps to deal trough bad moments mentally. Would recommend it. I’ve been fine all five days with little craving but just saying to myself there is no advantage to smoking what’s so ever! It’s only nicotine addiction it will stop. And its been great I’ve said 25 euro already and I don’t smell of ciggies.

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    • Well done Paul, I’m 20 months off them, and by far the best move I ever made. It was tough, and very hard at time, but every horrible craving, and sleepless night, and following smokers down the street (not any more I avoid them like the plague), was all worth it. My friend, who works out in the Oncology department used to daily tell me about the effects of lung cancer, throat cancer, you name it, had zero effect,. Pictures or advertising had little effect on me also, its like showing a heroine addict a heroine addict, the connection is not made. After reading Alan Carr, and gentle help from my doctor, I’m now smoke free, and loving it!

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    • I agree with Jurate about the Alan Carr book. I’ve been off ciggies the past few months and the book really helped. It’s not a miracle cure, you still need the willpower, but it changes the way you think about smoking and helps when you crave one. I found after the first week it got so much easier. I stayed away from the pub for a few weeks too because that was where I always fell down when I perviously attempted to quit

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    • Fair play to all of you for giving up the cigs. I eventually managed to stop around 7 years ago after reading the Allen Carr book (the big one) a couple of times. He explains brilliantly the psychology of smoking and why it has such a powerful hold on people. The addiction loses a lot of its force once the mechanics of how the nicotine trap works is understood completely by the smoker.
      Anyway, I wish you all the very best of luck with your efforts. It’s a bit of a struggle but very achievable if the head is right. I can honestly say I never crave or even think about the fags now and it’s one of the best things that I’ve done for myself and the family. Keep the faith.

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    • Well done Paul – stick with it! I am 2 weeks off them today and feel amazing! Couldn’t have done it without patches and an e-cigarette! It does get easier! Best of luck to you both :)

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    • Paul it is easy give up the fags. I’ve done it loads of times.

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    • Hypnosis, I hear, is a very good route for people that find it difficult to kick it. Anybody here been hypnotized?

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    • Leave Fags alone……LMAO

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  • It might stop people taking up smoking but cool coloured cigarette cases will probably appear on the market immediately.

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    • Plain packaging has been in australia a few months now. Even the name around the filter now reads a number rather than a brand. Haven’t seen too many cases. The have photos of victims of smoking related deaths – Smokers exchange conversation around ‘who did you get this time?’ ‘I got mike, its terrible….anyway got a light?’

      For the occasional smoker like myself there is definitely less appeal with the box and the graphic photos…

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    • Actually I saw some stickers for covering them up online somewhere.. So yeah, the ways around it are already available..

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  • As a smoker I wish I never started, I think if I knew what I was getting myself into when I was younger I would have never started!!

    However, this new packaging will not deter me from continuing to smoke, you need to want to stop.. Hopefully someday ill make that decision myself!!

    I do hope this packaging will deter anyone from taking up the habit!!

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  • Should help but it will take time. I am 15 days off them so far so good

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  • I’ve been off them three years and it was just a decision one day to stop. Not everyone can quit that way, and really people won’t quit unless they really want to. Any ex-smoker will say the same.

    If someone’s not ready to quit, they’ll go to a cancer ward and buy them directly from a terminal patient if they have to.

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  • Im off them (again). i just tell myself that each cigarette not smoked is extra minutes with my kids. i think you really need to want to quit and that nicotine replacement products are great but the price of them is prohibitive and not an incentive to buy them. maybe if they coloured all cigarettes shit brown and put them in shit brown cases and made them even smellier it might turn people off.

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  • The colour of the packet makes dam all difference.

    Off them just over a year and my reason for quitting was nothing to do with government nagging or any of that type of nonsense.

    PS Good luck to anyone who gave up on New Years it ain’t easy but keep strong!

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  • People might start using cigarette-packets-covers as in Europe

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  • Everybody thinks… That sort of thing won’t happen to me

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  • After suffering the worst dose of bronchitis this past week, I’ll take any little bit of help i can to give up these evil fags. If that means staring at cancer, then so be it.

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    • Smiley 15/01/13 #

      Just stop. Put the money you would have spent in a container in the press. See how it accumulates. You will get the jitters, anger and other withdrawal symptoms. Ride them through. Worked for me.

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    • This is my second time getting off them. I’m so choked up right now, and the funny ting is, if I didn’t smoke, I probably would not have got the flu at all. I’ll put up with ANYTHING to get off them.

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  • Yes 100% I am a social smoker and bought a box of silk cut purple during the Christmas. It’s only when I got to the car that I spotted the guy with the huge tumour on his neck on the back of the box. Haven’t smoked since!

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  • I’m off them 2 weeks today but only stopped because I really wanted to. Before I decided to give up no amount of pictures would have made me give up. If I had foreign fags with the gory pics on the box I would be commenting on how terrible the picture was while smoking a fag. It’s been a tough few weeks especially when my body started to get rid of all the gunk that was in my lungs. I think that alone is what has kept me off them as it is truly disgusting.

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  • Studies show that warnings have the opposite of the desired affect.

    Every time a smoker sees a warning saying “smoking kills” he learns to discount the warning (that only happens to others) and at the same time over egg his/her own invincibility (I’m different). Each time a smoker has this internal dialogue, the power of the message (smoking kills) get’s weaker and weaker to a point where it’s not even noticed on the packet.

    The picture of the disgusting lung might help because it’s hard to discount. I would love to hear the results from down under

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  • Some people just love to complain. Any little bit that might encourage people to quit, or more importantly, deter people from starting in the first place, is good news in my eyes.
    63 days smoke free!!!!

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  • Will alcohol bottles show pics of winos? Will happy meals have pics of obese people? Will passports have pics of corruption? No. Move on. It’s a addiction.

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    • Alochol in moderation doesnt doesnt have harmful effects. In fact a glass of wine a day is good for you
      Happy Meals in moderation dont have harmful effects
      As to the passports. What?

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    • That’s true Zachary but then, we’re in Ireland where only the blind don’t see that we drink a lot more than what can be regarded as “moderation”.

      Never, ever read a story about a cigarette driving someone to beat their partner. That’s not to defend smoking – it’s a nasty thing – but I think Darren is suggesting some perspective here.

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    • Apples and Oranges. We are talking about health risks here not criminal behaviour.

      However I agree with you that alcohol and moderation have a hard time finding each other in Ireland

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    • Apples and Oranges. We are talking about health risks here not criminal behaviour.

      Not really apples and oranges then, eh? Alcohol is a problem both in personal health and, potentially, as criminal behaviour. The cost per year in Ireland is around €3.7 billion spent on crime and health effects.

      The dividing line (for me) is that criminal aspect is that smoking is a personal choice when you make the effort to not smoke in the presence of a non-smoker. Drinking to excess (which happens a LOT) can end up in direct harm to others.

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    • Yes drinking to excess is harmful but that is because an individual chooses to drink to excess. However alcohol on its own is not harmful.
      Cigarettes are harmful if you smoke 1 a day or 20 a day

      I agree that drinking to excess is a problem in this country, however the government couldn’t tackle it the same way.

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    • I agree! My boy toy works for one of the 3 major tobacco companies here in the US. They have fought these pics on packs and rightly so…. The effects of smoking have been known for years now. It’s nothing new. And I think if they put pics on ciggie packs they should also put pics on cell phone cases and alcohol labels because these items have a potential to kill as well!!

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    • Everything has the potential to kill.
      Cigarettes do nothing but kill

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    • Actually..
      A glass of red wine per day may be good for your heart due to the reservatol, but spirits and beers? Not much in the line of health benefits at all really, they deplete thiamine, put stress on the liver, increase Candida albicans levels exponentially (which increases the risk of cancers) and cause tremendous weight gain.

      McDonalds happy meals contain so much artificial preservatives that their burgers have been known to last for years.. They’re also packed full of MSG which is emerging as a massive problem to public health (wouldn’t be surprised if it goes the way of E123 soon). So they would do just as much harm as smoking 5-10 per day, just to different parts of the body..

      So really – McDonalds and Alcohol are just as damaging as smoking – but smoking is the one most people are actually trying to cut back on.. The alcohol and junk food – well, it’s pretty darn obvious that people aren’t taking that message about moderation too much to heart..

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  • The best anti smoking campaign in Australia came out when I was a teenager. The graphic ads of brain clots etc had already been around for a while, but this one focussed on the ‘beauty’ aspect of it; how smoking damages hair and skin etc. I can’t remember the detail but they used a ciagrette model from the 60s (or so) and how after 30 odd years smoking she had aged well beyond her years. Being a teenage girl at the time, that had a far bigger impact to me and my friends than images of lungs or mechanical voice boxes

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  • Yeah I do. There are lots of people out there who are concerned about what smoking might be doing to them, but continue to smoke anyway. I think if this is illustrated, it might push a few people over the line

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  • Well they definitely won’t increase smoking anyway! No reason not to bring in these measures.

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  • A lot of smokers prefer not to think about the harm smoking causes them so I don’t think the graphic images will make much difference. If the packs carried images of the internal organs of an adolescent passive smoker it may cause the smoker to rethink?

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  • The best advert is the one showing the tumour growing in the cigarette, getting bigger with each drag. Photos of someone else’s diseased lungs don’t hit home the same. Well done the ad-makers.

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  • I must work otherwise why would cigarette companies spend so much money on their branding?

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  • Already in force in Australia, definitely a talking point in the pubs.

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  • This legislation is a waste of time. I’m a smoker and scare tactics have never bothered me. Plain packaging? So what, I’ll just buy a cigarette case if I’m bothered by it

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    • What about new or young smokers? Might deter them from taking up this bad habit

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    • I don’t believe it will make the slightest difference. Despite highly publicised sudden deaths from ecstasy, sales have increased massively. Why is this?

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    • I agree with both of you, Shane and Siobhan. It wouldn’t deter someone addicted to cigarettes, but it might put off people who are going to start. I speak as a 10-years, 30-35 a day smoker who gave up back in the ’80′s. None of the anti-smoking campaigns got through to me. You have to want to do it really badly and have a lot of support from family and friends. (In fact some of my friends I didn’t contact for about two years because they smoked. It also helped that I’d given up my job to help run a business and neither of us smoked).
      And you also are absolutely right, Darren. I think it’s difficult for people to realise just how difficult it is unless you’ve either been an addict yourself or worked with addicts. Just because they’re legal and not mind-altering doesn’t mean they’re not as addictive as heroin or cocaine. And no, they don’t kill you as quickly but the statistics are there.

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  • I’m Australian and visit home regularly and I have seen the packs with the photos and health warnings. It becomes a joke amongst hardened smokers who ask for “The smokes that make your baby smaller” when buying. My GBF smokes and was seemingly immune to the picture of gangrenous toes on his packet of Marlborough Light while we had a drink at an outdoor table in a pub. When the packs went “buff” last year, a new market of decorative packets was born. My GBF posted a photo on Facebook of his ironically kitch leopard print packet holder just last week.

    Smokers are the masters of Cognitive Dissonance it seems. xx

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  • Smokers become desensitised to these images.
    Australia brought in OTT imaging on packets last year, taking the place of brandnames on packets but half of the packet has been occupied by graphic images of dissected lungs etc. for at least a decade with very little effect..

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  • All the packets being the same in oz does make it very hard to pick a pack.

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  • I’m not a smoker but I have family members who are & I would like nothing better than to see them quit but that has to be a person’s own decision but I do believe anything that might make a person give up or prevent somebody from starting to smoke can only be a good thing, it can’t do any harm & even if it saved just one life surely that is a positive thing?

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  • I’ve been smoke free for four months, but my “wake up” call was coughing my way to a broken rib. Those images have been around for years, as teenagers we used to compete to see had the worst image on their box. but they never deterred us. Neither did price, neither did smoking bans, neither did age limits. I’m not sure of the research into the effectiveness of these images, but I think it seems like an “at least we tried”/ “don’t say we didn’t warn you” type of solution. It’s hard to provide a universal solution though to something that is a personal choice.

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  • As much as i wish it would, it wont stop me.

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  • Maybe, but I don’t think the pictures will cause any substantial reduction of smokers in the population which is the objective. The explicit images might persuade the occasional youngster not to try their first cigarette but that’s not really how people get hooked anyway. Nobody becomes addicted to nicotine on their first pull. The first fag is very unpleasant and deters most people but the ones that do go on to smoke generally become addicted over a number of months smoking with a peer group of some kind.
    It will have no effect on addicted smokers. They are well aware of the damage to their health but are unable to quit. The fear of possible disease sometime in the future is easily outweighed by the dread of being deprived of nicotine today. I find there is a sanctimonious and condescending attitude towards smokers generally from the authorities and as a result, a lot of their policies are patronising and heavy handed and tend to alienate smokers.
    This could be resolved by having smokers themselves and particularly ex-smokers devise the strategy to prevent people starting to smoke in the first place and persuade people to quit once they have become addicted. Smokers and ex-smokers have a much deeper insight into the problem and possible solutions than those who have never smoked.

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  • I think these packets *could* make a difference in the same way the plastic bag levy has. Social psychologists have argued that the plastic bag levy doesn’t work because it’s an economic disincentive. The charge on a plastic bag is too low for people to care but asking for one meant becoming a social pariah. The tiny charge made people feel embarassed, so usage went down rapidly.

    These packets aren’t exactly the same, but I they do play on the embarrassment factor quietly and confidently.

    I thought a great business idea would be to go into production designing attractive cases for cigarettes to hide the packets, but people will still have to buy them. And they might feel more embarrassed doing that, asking themselves, ‘is it worth it?’

    Incidentally, my Aunt very recently died from lung cancer after decades of smoking. I’m devastated. Smoking does kill.

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  • Yet another waste of money, they evicted the smoker from the pub and ruined the pub trade, they upped the price of a packet and all this nas done is cost a lot of jobs lost and increase the trade in the black market thus more job losses in the retail trade. keep up the good work.

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    • Such nonsense! The pub trade is not ruined because of the smoking ban. There are many more factors including the price and the destruction of traditional pubs. When the pubs were packed thirty years ago few people went to restaurants or even drank coffee! It’s a cultural change. No jobs can be lost by upping the price of smokes. The black market is a problem with the Judges. The fines for selling smuggled cigarettes are laughably low. Smoking is the biggest waste of money there is, except maybe setting fire to it….Oh! that’s what they do..

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  • I’d imagine people will just start buying cigarette cases

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  • i will die anyways.
    i’d prefer if ppl would stop telling me how i am not allowed to die.
    my life, my choice. i wanna smoke.. so what?

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  • Funny seen people argue,

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  • I don’t think changing the packaging to have graphic images will make a big change to the numbers of people smoking. What it will do is create a market for sleeves with nice designs to pop the cig pack into to hide the graphic images. I’m not setting up a company to do that or anything as I’m against profiting due to peoples addictions.

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  • I’m in oz yesterday after first taking the piss out of “Brian” on the fag box, I went online to check out his life story and was so ashamed it was pretty emotive. Haven’t smoked since even though I was hanging out with all my friends who do smoke, all day… I plan to remain smoke free!

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  • It’s a balance between, will the constant reminder warnings eventually sway some at some point to quit, or at least keep the negative image in children’s minds and deter them from smoking. This is against the chances of possible desensitization of the dangers with too many reminders. I’m sure the sale of cigarette holders will increase and illegal sales. It’s still a good idea to keep the sale legal and restricted which is what might be done with cannabis.

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  • Dgar 15/01/13 #

    Kids start smoking simply cos they think it cool so doesn’t matter if graphic pics on packs or not. Reckon a lot of teenage boys wouldn’t start if they thought girls wouldn’t fancy them cos they smoked & lot of girls wouldn’t if they thought it would affect their looks…reckon that’s mainly what teenagers relate to.

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  • If the government really want people to stop smoking then why do they tax all the nicotine products so much. The patches should be cheaper than a pack of ciggs not ten times the price. I’m just off the and I must say I found Allen Carrs book excellent. Each to their own I say but seriously the more bans that are brought in the more the tobacco companies come up with ways around them. There’s more nicotine products out there than ever before and all are bad for u.

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    • I smoked those ozzie ones for about 6 months…the packaging didnt deter me..I never looked at it. When I offered a fag to someone they look at the cigarette not the packaging. It will work to demonise smokers, those who dont smoke will be horrified. A lot of kids will love it…I know I loved Death cigarettes when they came out..everyone wanted them.
      We are hardened lot…yeah we want to give up. But a picture of what my lung looks like isnt going to deter me..i already have a good idea of what it might look like… I feel it everyday when i wake up.

      If tabacco kills…jail the manufacturers…jail the distributers..jail the government who tax it and prey on the poor addicted smoker.
      And yes it costs a fortune to provide for the healthcare of the smoker as they die but we the people save a fortune on their pensions

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  • Why dont they ban them completely or up the price to ?20 a packet. I know this would encourage a black market but it might deter the next generation from smoking.

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  • With the knowledge that we have today of the harmful effects of smoking, if people still want to smoke it’s their funeral.
    Like the poor, the stupid will always be with us!

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  • Smokers are either classed as victims or idiots……some hope for the poor victims

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  • No. Because smokers are idiots.

    They know the damage they’re doing, but they still do it.

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