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Department plays down report over €324bn shortfall

The Irish Times cited an unpublished report from KPMG that indicated the State was facing a massive pensions and social welfare shortfall by 2066 in a story today that the government has played down.

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THE DEPARTMENT OF Social Protection has played down a report which claims that the State’s future pension and social welfare liabilities could amount to some €324 billion.

The Irish Times reported this morning that a review of the Social Insurance Fund that was carried out by the accountants KPMG indicated that a growing shortfall in the fund would see accumulated deficits of up to €324 billion by 2066.

The paper’s economics editor Dan O’Brien wrote that rapidly rising pension liabilities are the cause of the fund’s “exploding deficit in the future”.

But in a statement the Department of Social Protection said that the €324 billion referred to was the sum of all projected annual deficits up to 2066 “expressed in current terms, assuming no action is taken”.

The statement said: “As stated by KPMG, “the long-term projections, by their very nature, are unlikely to be borne out in practise”, the report emphasises “the trends which emerge over the period”.

The report was the result of a third actuarial review of the Social Insurance Fund up to the end of 2010.

According to the Department, “the review projects the financial sustainability of the Fund based on a set of agreed assumptions and a series of projections of the Fund’s income and expenditure for the period in question, taking account of policy, economic and demographic changes.”

The report, which was completed in June of this year, has not been made public but the government has indicated that it will be shortly.

‘Potential time bomb’

Fianna Fáil’s spokesperson on social protection called on the Minister for Social Protection Joan Burton to publish the review but the government said that it would brief politicians on the matter before publishing it.

O’Dea said earlier in a statement: “The deficit between the amount of PRSI the Government takes in and what is given out in non-contributory social welfare and pension entitlements could be as high as €2 billion this year.

“Politicians from all parties have an obligation to apply their minds to dealing with such a challenge. To do so constructively, we need to see the SIF Report that the Minister has been sitting on.”

He added: “This shortfall in future pension funding is a potential time bomb which needs full and open debate. The Minister should publish her report without further delay.”

In a statement, the Department of Social Protection said that the review had already been put before the Houses of the Oireachtas on 24 August for viewing by members of the house.

It said that a full briefing of the Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection will take place next Thursday, after which the report will be published on the welfare.ie website.

“The Minister is concerned, in the first instance, with briefing the Oireachtas on the findings from the Review,” the statement added.

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Comments (23 Comments)

  • David 12/09/12 #

    What is the worry, just put it on tick.

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    • Willy O’Dea calls this a potential time bomb. I’m glad he’s not a member of the Army Bomb Disposal team because this one is ticking and likely to go off long before some of the smart arses who say they’ll be dead before it happens and therefor it’s someone else’s problem.
      Lenders to the State will calculate this deficit into fifteen and twenty year Bonds that the Government will be selling well within the lifetime of contributors on this site and that picture won’t be pretty as it will push rates well over a Bailout rate!. Not funny now …….is it?

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  • So if I make it to 100 I’m knackered. Ah well…

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  • That’s ages away. I’ll probably be dead by then.

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  • We might laugh but I suspect major changes to the social welfare system are on the way. It won’t take as long as 2066 before SW recipients will be getting just about enough to survive, and by survive I mean food and clothing, not Sky TV and smartphones.

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    • Most people on welfare can’t afford much at all. The reason people can afford things like Smartphones is because of how the price relative to other areas of living has come down – you can bag a decent Smartphone now for €100.

      I don’t think it’s acceptable when people are out of work for reasons beyond their control to merely “survive”. Just “surviving” can be a truly horrible existence.

      This just reeks of sensationalism to me – there were similar reports about in the US which were subsequently debunked. Yes, if we keep going to route we are now, maybe we will have this problem in 2066.

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    • Also, our social welfare system is only about EU average when counting for other factors. We are already having serious issues with poverty and can’t afford these murderous “reforms”.

      I also think you fail to realise that social welfare is one of the few things keeping the economy going.

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  • will anyone commenting on this site be still around in 2066?will thejournal.ie still be around by then :-)

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  • “2066?! Who cares, i’ll have retired from the dail by then and i’ll be on a few cushy pensions! Let some other eejit worry about that!”

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  • non contributory pension equals never contributed to the state over potential working life yet expect to be looked after…. free money from cradle to grave.. no wonder we are in a jocker… does this happen anywhere else???

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    • johnny 12/09/12 #

      Not necessarily, payers of A Rate PRSI recieve contributory pension other PRSI rate payers get non contributory pension I think

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    • The problem is, why are they never contributing to the state? If they are locked in a low wage job despite working for many years – that’s the failing of the system and there is no need to punish them further. Social mobility tends to be rotten in most western state capitalist societies, this is one of the things we do to try and offset the blow somehow. But it’s pointless trying to explain this to people who don’t give a toss.

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  • Who cares the iPhone 5 is out!!!!!

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  • All this was discussed at length on radio almost 2 years ago, when some Euro expert was on Pat Kenny one morning warning that the big lump sum pensions etc would come acropper in around 9 or 10 years time…he singled out the pensions td’s and ministers and former taoisigh as well as head of semi-stateswere getting stating that the money just would not be there if we continue to pay them out…a government spokes person at the time commented “from here on etc etc”…in other words we will make sure we get it anyway….I dont know what all the big fuss or surprise about this “unfinished report” is all about…this was highlighted a long time ago……

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  • all this was highlighted by our Euro paymasters 2 years ago..It doesnt take an “unfinished report” to highlight this for me..no doubt the powers that be were hoping it would stay buried until after the next election when they, just like the shower gone before them, have their pockets filled with our cash and become “private citizens” (I love reminding Noel Dempsey of making this comment!!!)….

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  • That €324bn is just to cover the public sector pensions!

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  • 2066? I will not worry about it, as I will probably be dead by then, unless I live to be 101, which I very much doubt that I will, wonder if I will get the presidents cheque in 2065, when or if, and that is a big if I reach 100. I might think that I would enjoy myself, and drink so much champagne in my wheel chair, that I will die after being so intoxicated! What a way to go out of this world, and I couldn’t think of any better way!

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