Yeah. Good eggs after bad.

How did all those hard working English football followers get the time off work to be down there? It’s right that they want to keep their hand outs as they’re obviously contributing so much money to society.

In the boom it used to be financially beneficial to have kids……….

Yeah Jumpthecat, because its not like there is a high level of unemployment or anything.

Oisin

Yes. As well all know, someone from Roxrock and someone from Ballyfermot have equal employment and life opportunities.

There’s a lot of class hatred on this thread.

Not exactly the current government’s fault that these cutbacks are necessary. If FF/Greens had exercised any degree of restraint, none of this would be necessary. They are the ones that had the country living beyond its means (ironic, that). This government inherited a disaster zone.

Liverpool f.c???

rotten fruit much better, those poor eggs never got a chance to become someones breakfast. :(

Child benefit in Ireland, like all social welfare payments, is pretty generous, considering that we can’t pay for it. Ironically, we are borrowing more and more as a country, which our children and grandchildren are going to have to pay back.
Ireland – €140 per month per child for the first two, and then decreasing; compared with the UK, £20.30 per week for the first child and £13.40 per week for each additional.

eggs-actly

@Stadler, because in opposition the current govt parties did all they could to prevent the crisis? or because of their wise decisions since assuming the mantle of power?

Nobody deserves that kind of harassment. That is just bullying. I hate bullys. Our right is to demonstrate peacefully, as much as a lot of people don’t like the Government leaders at the moment there is no need to go down to the gutters as many did today.

No need to frighten and attack vulnerable people like that. As much as I’d like to say and do things to bertie aherne and mary harney and others I still would not attack another human being like that lot did today.

Éirigí….. You mean Ire-eggy…

Amazing the way they can get a protestor into court and processed on the same day as the protest yet not one banker

Not bad for a man who started out as part of the Officials / Workers Party in Gardiner Place and now gets driven about by a Garda ?
What’s it like to be a Smoke Salmon Socialist Eamon? – taking that big Irish Government Salary & Pension – something that you in your youth would have made you want to vomit – but then again its ambition over principle in life , isn’t it ?

Jim Brady you can’t really compare a country that it costs the equivalent of another mortgage for childcare whereas another country who has affordable childcare, Ireland’s high cost of living is why we can’t be really compared to other European country’s

I would have thought however, that a socialist group would be in favour of means testing child benefit, surely giving more to needy and less to well off is a simple enough concept to understand and sits well within the ideals of a “socialist”. Don’t understand their point tbh but more than get their wider anger!

@ Diarmaid: They are just thugs using the possible changes to child benefit as a cover for their thuggish behaviour.

To be fair there is a group of them there that probably are but I would be afraid that because of the actions of a few that all protestors will suddenly get labelled the same which will be wrong and also a handy line for the government to use as well.

@Ryan – I wouldn’t regard myself as socialist but would certainly agree that the gap between the haves and have nots continuing to grow is simply unfair. This government has done a great job of making sure that the middle class pay for the majority of costs in this country. The rich are left alone and the most vulnerable deserve to be protected.

Statements like yours are simply an attempt to brush off ideas that you don’t agree with. Stating your opinion as fact doesn’t make it any stronger than just your opinion.

Don’t give us this bullshit labelling them as thugs. Its convenient do discriminate. They had courage to protest and tell this useless Minister to get out. Its a free country. They have a right to do it. Calling a group of people that are protesting thugs, is just class discrimination.

It’s not anything to do with class. If they were upper-class rich kids throwing Marks and Spencer’s free range organic eggs at people they’d still be thugs.

Yeah, I copped that too, just goes to show the intelligence levels within the group really.

Gerard, glad someone else heard it. Eirigi are a complete and utter joke. Any excuse for a bit of a shout and a good egging!

Best part was the Liverpool High Vis jacket! Great republican activist there! Boom!

Republicans are not allowed to support LFC? That’s a shame…

Yep! They think ‘irony’ is what they do to get wrinkles out of their premiership shirts!

Yeah me too, classic!

With respect, that’s what was said about the last budget and the bond holder payouts. “…people won’t take it anymore…” nothing has happened, its just rolled on regardless of public outrage

Careful now Reg, down with that sort of thing!

That’s in reference to your picture, i agree with your comment

They’d show up to protest the opening of an envelope.

Yeah the brown envelopes that go around the dail! Stroke anyone

Ok, so your ideal way to protest is to quietly walk up and down with nicely worded banners , and chat among yourselves about the weather and what you had for lunch.
That would really scare the crap out of our , eh, “politicians” now wouldn’t it.?

Eirigi are a joke.

Fair play Christine , there’s always a few bad eggs…

Indeed, how dare the man have the gall to be a multifaceted character instead of being a one dimension pantomime villain.

Armchair keyboard warriors are a serious problem in this country, take it on the streets or write a letter, people seem to think Eamon Gilmore will be reading these posts himself! Respect to those who take to the streets, right and wrong

Ah Ed, government lackies (members) always read these posts and comment too! Stick around and see for yourself, their rife on politics.ie also. Shame they hide behind fake a/c. Count my thumbs down for a more accurate count!!

@Geraldine O’Shea

Like the cuppa tea – “All Talk”!

Because as members of Eirigi, logic has never entered the equation.

A political group called the National Socialist Workers Party (better known as the Nazi party) exploited the political and financial turmoil in Germany during the 1930s. I do not need to repeat the chaos, killing and destruction that they eventually visited upon the continent. This group has a similar sinister agenda on a smaller scale and they are pursuing power by exploiting the turmoil in our country today. As bad and all as things are in this country do we really want to repeat the failed socialist experiment that these people propose. I have read some of their policy papers and as far as new ideas go they are empty. There is of course there policy of lets blame the Brits for everything, it’s all their fault. Hang on, that rings a bell, did the Nazi party not have a similar policy of blaming a particular group for the ills of Germany.
This group is a sinister front for a sinister organisation we all know who they are. They will shove their warped nationalist political philosophy down our throats and if you do not dance to their tune well then you can always be sent to the camps for re-education

This is just a list of the more senior of the highly educated Einsatzgruppen commanders, all of them were committed National Socialists. I am just reinforcing my point that education does not make your actions more legitimate.
Éirígí constantly make the point about how many MA and PhD holders they have.
SS-Brigadeführer Dr.Franz Walter Stahlecker KIA 1942
SS-Gruppenführer Dr. Otto Rasch died Nuremberg 1946
SS-Gruppenführer Prof. Otto Ohlendorf convicted and executed for war crimes 1951
SS-Standartenführer Dr. Franz Six sentenced to 20 years for war crimes in 1948 released in 1952 for co-operating

Maybe you should ask them why.

Ermm, how about get a job and stand on yer on two feet?

Exactly, Gary.

Well said Gary.

Curious on the red thumbs, do you think its ok for protesters to do what they want the result of which have a negative affect on a charity. Whats next they affects Barretstown?

I didn’t even know this event was going on so thanks to the protests I do now.

I don’t think this was at any expense at all to Unicef nor an insult to their work either. In fairness, their brief is children and these two were showing up for a photo opportunity while pushing out the idea of a cut to child allowance.

Politicians should be going nowhere without an umbrella these days.

Charities are not saintly institutions above political debate and criticism. UNICEF is a member of the Children’s Rights Alliance, which came out in favour of cutting child benefit and introducing a two-tier system earlier in the week. A few days later UNICEF is bigging up the government for being progressive on children’s rights by launching a puff campaign in favour of the referendum, which is overwhelmingly likely to be passed without them wasting money on a PR campaign for it. Irish NGOs have behaved disgracefully on the issue of child benefit, backing cuts that will damage he actual realisation of children’s right while praising the government for giving children rights on paper. The whole referendum is a smokescreen for the actual attacks on children’s rights coming in the budget.

They’d already targeted a children’s charity recently enough. The Jack and Jill foundation.

Leigh – Eirigi feel they were inaccurately misrepresented in the J&J situation. So far as I can figure out they were asking J&J to reformat or pull out of a K Club event to which the British Army were invited. They seemed to be of the opinion that the British Army wouldn’t be the best partners to be involved with for a childrens’ charity.

I’ve made this point a few times in this thread so I would like to make clear that I have no affiliation with and do not support Eirigi in any way but I am interested in both sides of the story and I’d say there is a lot more appetite for criticising Eirigi than hearing anything they might have to say back.

Tomy – They can fee that they were misrepresented all they want. They’re using a fundraising event for sick children to push their own political agenda. The ‘Brits out of Kildare’ posters and their own protests at the Queen’s visit should prove that. Personally I’d be more concerned about any Eirigi ‘support’ for Jack and Jill than that of the British army.

Leigh, aren’t the ministers using the charity for publicity too???

@tomy iona well said.i also like to hear both sides of the story as i know how manipulative the media can be & i read about the j&j protest from the eirigi website.people believe so much bs the media tell them without looking at the other side of the story.

Phil – Undoubtedly, however I imagine they were invited by the charity.

Gavin – exactly. We need to stop getting our news from sources like TheJournal.ie and start getting it from bastions of unbiased information like eirigi.org.

they went to where gilmore was, they didnt attack UNICEF but the muppet gilmore

True Chuck, the guy interviewed on the news was only concerned about his benefit cut.

Maybe they had to target the UNICEF event because it’s the only day they could all get off work at the same time…

I don’t agree with what Eirigi do but fair play to them for doing it?!

Totally agree its a long time coming and I’m surprised it was only a few eggs, there’s people on here, actually there’s sheep on here that do nothing but moan about our situation and that’s all they will ever do, moan.
Although violence is wrong there’s only so much some people can genuinely take. There comes a point when enough is enough.
I’d never have said this a few years ago, I’m not a violent person, but the government of this country deserves everything they get.

Yep, Gilmore and Fitzgerald certainly are that.

Fair play it was a
Peaceful protest over more cut back thanks to te government giving €18 billion to bondhders this year

@dan – As much as I don’t agree with the ‘beliefs’ as such of Eirigi and the likes, I do believe that they were well within their rights to put Gilmore in his place. Pity he wasn’t on foot. That would have made it all the better to watch for 2 reasons..
The first been to see him get egg in his face at last and secondly, to stop me from vomiting with disgust in seeing him been chauffeured about in a state car.
Shame on him – but also shame on the Eirigi guy waving a placard and tri-colour whilst sporting one of ‘Englands most famous football teams..LFC – Traitors the lot of them!

Boy Russell, pity he wasn’t on foot?

Why?, because they would have actually attacked him? Since when is such activity ok? Since when did Eirigi have the right to be judge and jury and decided if its ok for somebody to be assaulted?

We have laws in this country and a justice system, Eirigi do not have the rights to decide how anybody should be treated. If they believe somebody has done something illegal then let them pursue the matter through the justice system.

I’m not defending any decision by FG, but its very important to remember that we have laws in this country and they should be followed. Its not upto a bunch of loud month protesters to assault somebody and think its ok and think they can get away with it.

Yep, protest the protesters because everything is GRAND.

@Dave Ball * Boy Russell

No type of violence is acceptable. This was a violent attack on two human beings. I hate violence and most of all I hate bullys. These individuals cornered the people in the car. We can demonstrate peacefully and get out point across without being violent.

Dave, it was far from ‘peaceful’. It’s as bad as when that silly woman threw red paint on Mary Harney. I don’t have time for many politicians. I too get angry and want to slap aherne, harney, most of the F Fail asses, I don’t like Kenny or Gilmore either but I certainly would not corner and bully them the way these individuals did today.

@Barry – Well you’re either up for the job or you’re not! Gilmore and the likes know what it’s like at this stage and indeed before they decided to enter themselves for election – Afterall when they (Labour/Fianna Gael) were in opposition, they were all out and against Fianna Fáil with great anger – didn’t Pat the fat Rabbite just about beat up Deputy Carey (FF) on live TV pre election!? So yes, what’s good for the goose and all that…
I don’t support FF, FG,SF nor Labour, so I’m a slight neutral here, but still a citizen who’s annoyed and frustrated!!
Pigs the lot of ‘em!
Go up around Merrion row at lunchtime someday and watch the fat cats walking out’ve the shelbourne hotel and other fancy rests.
A disgrace!

Double Plus 1 to Evert Bop – time to move from ‘protest’ to effective mass action.

Krossie

The “rest of us” as you call them don’t use the tri-colour anymore, just a white flag.

The tri colour may as well be replaced with the EU flag for all its worth nothing at this stage!

Eh, no. The event went ahead with no problems. The point was to prevent Gilmore and Fitzgerald getting their cynical photo opp. when they are preparing to cut funding for children in a number of areas.

Eirigi are a bunch of waster trouble makers.
Read the founder of the Jack and Jill foundation’s comments on how eirigi have subjected his children’s charity to vile and abusive attacks
They are the lowest of the low and I have no doubt these people wouldn’t work on batteries. They contribute nothing to our society and should be condemned at every opportunity.

It may have gone ahead but they still used the event to stage their own protest. The upcoming referendum is a very important one for children and if they gave a stuff about it they would have left them to get on with it today and taken some other opportunity to make their point. Seems they care about children’s allowance but not children.

In the interest of some balance I’ve posted the following to your earlier mention of the eirigi and Jack & Jill foundation:

In relation to Eirigi and the Jack & Jill foundation – I’d never heard of it but did find this as part of a reaction to the accusation they were targeting the foundation:
“It is therefore as supporters of the Jack and Jill Foundation that éirígí has raised serious concerns about the appearance of the British Army at a fundraising event for the charity. It is simply not acceptable for an Irish children’s charity to use the British Army, who have been responsible for the deaths of countless children in Ireland, Iraq and Afghanistan, to raise funds for its operations. It is distasteful, offensive and divisive. Over the last forty years dozens of children have been killed by Britain’s force in Ireland and yet not one soldier or RUC member has been brought before the courts in relation to their murders.”

There’s no balance there tomy. One quick google search will reveal the type of abuse that eirigi have subjected a children’s brain cancer charity to.
The fact you condone this says a lot about you.
I really truly hope you never need their services.
Don’t bother replying to this. I’m done with you.

Condone?

What about the post condones it? I’m sorry you see it that way.

It shows them that people in communities are angry. It’s a warning shot.

A warning shot of what?? Further violence?

There was no violence!

Have you seen the latest cover of Time magazine, apparently the outside world has the impression that our country is recovering very well, ENDA KENNY IS ON THE COVER OF TIME!!!!. Its probably about time a few more eggs were thrown if the media outside of this country shares that misguided view, the lack of meaningful protest is the reason our puppet Taoiseach is the one gracing respected magazine covers. I dont see why people here are up in arms, for one thing they egged a car, eggs dont damage cars, all they did was scare Gilmore from a PR opportunity, we know he actually cares about so why do some of you want to see him pretending he cares about ordinary peoples children.

correction that should be – we know ‘who’ he actually cares about……

How, prey tell does one protest ‘properly’? There was no violence?

I’d count throwing things as violence. Or if I was to walk up Ty o you and throw eggs would that be ok?

That might be true, but then again so are the targets of those eggs.

That’s just how the bondholders want you to think. They’re laughing at you as they crack open the bubbly, you do know that?

Spot on. Wasters all of them.

Petr, most people are not feeling sorry for Gilmore, I’m certainly not. He betrayed everything he said he stood for.
But I will never support wasters like that eirigi mob. Unlike most decent citizens, they rejoice in times like these as it gives them ample opportunities to cause trouble. That’s their only aim in life. To be waster trouble makers.
Please don’t support them, rather try and get ordinary hard working people out on to the streets. Then the protest would actually mean something.

Disagreeing with their point of view does not make them “wasters”. I’ve often thought that many protest groups are somewhat misguided but to write off a protest as a bunch of hippies, wasters, troublemakers as many protesters get referred to is to put the blinkers on.

There’s little point in ignoring that there is some substance to such protests.

Tomy, I’m not calling protesters wasters, just eirigi. They do nothing but pull stupid stunts and contribute nothing to society.
There are plenty of groups I don’t share an opinion with, but i respect them. But eirigi is not one of them. Not everybody’s opinions deserve respect you know.
And regarding your earlier comments regarding Jack and Jill. There is an interview in today’s star with the founder. He has personally been subjected to vile abuse for the past month.
This is a charity for children’s brain cancer. There is no room for politics in it. They need to raise money however they can. Surely you couldn’t disagree with that ?

I certainly don’t think that charities should raise money “however they can”. I get their point about the mismatch of a childrens’ charity and any army. (Though I do think that affecting a charity’s support is going to far).

I had only heard of the J&J thing when you mentioned it earlier. I hadn’t heard about anyone being subject to ongoing abuse about it. Which of course I agree, nobody deserves.

Just found this too…. http://www.leinsterleader.ie/lifestyle/entertainment/charity-attacked-over-army-band-concert-1-4288034

No comments at all have been removed from this piece, ManOnTheStreet. Sometimes it can take a minute or two to appear on the site so maybe wait a bit and see if it shows up. If it doesn’t, let me know and I’ll tel our tech people that there’s a problem.

Thanks for the reply Christine. But my comment still hasn’t shown up.
I assumed it was removed because I was very critical of eirigi. Although I did refrain from swearing.

I checked the commenting system from this end and there’s no record of any other comment from you being left on this site. Maybe you can try leaving it again? Sorry about that – not sure what went wrong there. We’d only ever remove a comment if it breaks the comments policy and so far at least, none at all have been removed from this thread.

Christine, comments often disappear when the submit button is hit. Happens to me quite often So much so I have started copying what I’ve written before I hit submit in case my comment disappears. Maybe you could have a word with your tech people about it? Thanks in advance.

It’s never happened me before but I am quite new around these parts.
I apologise for immediately getting defensive and blaming the journal.
Thanks again Christine.

In relation to Eirigi and the Jack & Jill foundation – I’d never heard of it but did find this as part of a reaction to the accusation they were targeting the foundation:

“It is therefore as supporters of the Jack and Jill Foundation that éirígí has raised serious concerns about the appearance of the British Army at a fundraising event for the charity. It is simply not acceptable for an Irish children’s charity to use the British Army, who have been responsible for the deaths of countless children in Ireland, Iraq and Afghanistan, to raise funds for its operations. It is distasteful, offensive and divisive. Over the last forty years dozens of children have been killed by Britain’s force in Ireland and yet not one soldier or RUC member has been brought before the courts in relation to their murders.”

You’re fine, don’t worry about it. We wouldn’t censor someone’s opinion – the comment would only be removed if it contains abuse, legal issues, hate speech or any of the other things mentioned in the comments policy. Kerry, I’ve mailed the tech team now and let them know. I’ve seen a few complaints from people over the past week or so but hadn’t realised it was happening quite so much. Hopefully they can work their tech magic and get this sorted asap.

Ok, this could be it:

The tech guys are looking into the issue now, but they’ve asked me to mention that there is a filter for swearwords which will stop comments appearing if they contain obscenities. They’re going to try and bring in a message that will pop up if someone tries to post a comment containing words like – well, you can imagine, but in the meantime, it’s worth bearing that in mind when posting.

I’ll post any more updates they have on this.

while you’re at it, I haven’t received and email notification of any replies to comments in about four months! not one! I always tick that box. I emailed your tech guys once or twice but never got a response.

Problem isn’t offensive language in my case Christine- honest :-) In my case it seems to happen when after hitting submit the comment isn’t posted immediately. It seems to be some sort of timeout, no error reported though just the comment disappears.

That’s really strange, Kerry. The tech guys are on it, so fingers crossed it can be sorted asap.

For everyone else: It’s worth bearing in mind that there’s a range of language that can trigger the filter: everything from gobs***e to er, worse stuff. Not saying that that’s what happened here, obviously, but just want to explain to anyone reading this that it’s something to be aware of when posting.

Paul: that’s really strange. I’ll pass that on to the tech team as well and see what the story is.

Three times i tried to post a comment and it failed every time.

Hi Christopher, it looks like your comments are being caught by the swearword filter. If you post the same comments again but without the word ‘sh*t’ then it should work.

I have just written 2 comments explaining that I have had the same problems with comments, and guess what, no post. In fact I have had this problem regularly.

Hi Patrick, the system isn’t showing any record of any of your comments being blocked. Were you using a different account by any chance?

I regularly have problems posting from ipad via FB. Get the “there was a problem posting your comment” message, often followed by “duplicate comment”
Or not, often it disappears.
I always copy and paste because its so unreliable for me.

@tomy, in relation to the jack and jill event i think it would be best if eirigi $#@&ed off and minded their own buisness. its nothing to do with them and is an event which will be well attended by irish people who want to see the band and support the charity. Im sure these irish people have the right to attend this eveng in peace

What’s your point, that working class people are stupid?

I don’t think that the amount of MA or PhD holders is really relevant here. Just to draw a parallel during the war crimes trials of the Einsatzgruppen execution squads in 1946 it was remarked that many of the officers charged with the most heinous crimes held MA and PhD qualifications. So what point are they making about holding MAs and PhDs. Education is not immunity. Its their arrogance that speaks volumes.

Someone obviously objected to my list of Nazi war criminals with PhDs. The information is freely available for anyone interested.

Ah finally my comment is allowed up. Can I say that I think these people are uneducated???

They are having their dole cut, you can understand their pain.

Poor guys, mightn’t be able to afford the few pints in the pub or satellite TV anymore.

Actually quite a few people in Eirigi are educated the MA and PhD level.

Looking for compo to supplement the dole? Just in case they put up the price of booze in the budget.

Well they shouldn’t be on the fecking road then

Are you aware of how big UNICEF is? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNICEF
Tens of thousands of people work for it in hundreds of countries around the world.Have bad things been done by some of their employees? Certainly. Is it fair to describe it as a “Vile Organisation” because of this? No.

I don’t know what the guys in Eirigi are protesting over? 99% of them are on the dole and probably have been for most of their lives and so would be blissfully unaware of the economic crisis! It should be the working man/woman out protesting or those who have lost their jobs!

Yes, the unemployed should go out and get a job before they protest about things like cuts and um…. unemployment…..

John, Have you ever met an Eirigi member or just making up wild facts that 99% of Eirigi’s membership are on the dole?

Aggressive? Shouting and standing with a placard is aggressive now. Avert your eyes away from the streets of Greece and Madrid where aggression is truly shown.

It is considered aggressive in Ireland of the timid and meek.

Throwing missiles at the car and intimidation perhaps?

> Somebody has responded directly to your comment on the article “VIDEO: Eamon Gilmore’s car egged by protesters in Dublin”.
>
> Author: Ed Staunton
> Comment:
> Gardai lie about being punched all the time to get the week off

from the email I got.

Prove this. Prove they’re lying

Or better still how about you take off your tin foil hat and wake up and cop on.

The thing is it is people with the same mindset who’d be the very first person to call the Gardai to sort it out if someone wronged you

Ed, you’re completely free to post anything you want – as long as it doesn’t break the comments policy for the site. The number of comments we actually remove from the site is tiny – we get between 1500 and 2000 comments on an average day and I’d say around 1 per cent of those comments are actually removed (those are my own very rough figures so they’re not gospel but they’re a rough indication).

Think about it from our point of view: we’re not going to leave up any comments which put us in a dodgy legal situation (especially since we’re the ones who have ultimate legal responsibility for anything posted by commenters: we’re the ones that get sued, not you guys). Also we’re not going to leave up comments where people are being abusive to other users or using hate speech. That’s not the kind of discussions that we want to host on our site and it’s not exactly the kind of thing that other people want to read either.

So basically, we remove very, very few comments, but the ones that are deleted are taken down for a reason.

That comment would not put you in a dodgy legal situation

You can see the full list of reasons why we’d remove a comment here. Putting the site in legal jeopardy is just one of them.

What could 2 of them do against 25 headtheballs?
Use the lasers from their eyeballs or perhaps use their super ice breath …. For goodness sake!
If ever you saw an example of how
stretched the Gardai are it was there.
The recruitment embargo should be lifted immediately.

I could only see 2 guards there, what do you think they should have done differently?