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Will Noonan publish the ECB letter that forced Ireland into a bailout?

Fianna Fáil has called on Michael Noonan to publish Jean-Claude Trichet’s letter himself, after the minister said it should be released.

Former ECB president Jean-Claude Trichet wrote to Brian Lenihan in November 2010 - reportedly
Former ECB president Jean-Claude Trichet wrote to Brian Lenihan in November 2010 - reportedly
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FIANNA FÁIL has called on Michael Noonan to publish a letter from the European Central Bank to his predecessor, Brian Lenihan, which reportedly forced the government into accepting an EU-IMF bailout.

The letter, sent in November 2010 by then-ECB president Jean-Claude Trichet, is reported to suggest that the emergency loans being granted to Irish banks would be cut off if Ireland refused to leave the bond markets and accept funding from international sources.

In an interview with today’s Sunday Independent, Noonan said the “threatening” letter should be released, and commented that the “very direct” letter left Lenihan with “little or no option” but to begin negotiations on a bailout.

The minister said, however, that he did not have the authority to order his Department’s Freedom of Information unit to release the letter – and did not suggest he had any desire to publish the letter unilaterally.

He said, though, that he would have no problem with releasing the letter to any banking inquiry established by the government or Oireachtas in the coming months.

Up to now, requests to release the letter under the Freedom of Information act – including one made by TheJournal.ie – have been rebuffed by both the Department of Finance and the ECB.

TheJournal.ie‘s request resulted in the Department disclosing the existence of several letters between Trichet and Lenihan in November 2010, but a refusal to release all correspondence which may have related to the EU-IMF bailout.

‘Serious adverse effect’

The Department said the correspondence ‘contains information communicated in confidence from, to or within an international organisation of states’ – which are not eligible for release under Freedom of Information rules.

It also said some correspondence, if released, could ’have a serious adverse effect on the financial interests of the State, or on the ability of the Government to manage the national economy’.

Using this clause triggers a public interest test, after which a senior Department official concluded that the public interest “is not best served by disclosure in relation to those records to which access had been refused”.

Among the reasons given for the refusal were the possibility that future decisions could be impaired by publishing the letters, and that the records contained information which:

[...] could reasonably be expected to have a serious adverse effect on the financial interests of the State, or on the ability of the Government to manage the national economy.

Other requests were made to the ECB by Gavin Sheridan of TheStory.ie, but were dismissed by the current ECB president himself, Mario Draghi.

When was it written?

Curiously, Lenihan has previously indicated that Trichet’s letter had been received on November 12, 2010, a few days before a meeting of Eurozone finance ministers – but no letter from around that date appears on the schedule of correspondence supplied by the Department.

Only four days later, Bloomberg quoted an anonymous EU official as saying Ireland had already begun talks on entering the bailout. The €67.5 billion funding deal was confirmed less than a fortnight later.

The only letter from Trichet which the Department was prepared to release was a letter from November 2, which discussed an unrelated matter – specifically, the ECB’s formal opinion on a plan to extend the bank guarantee.

Lenihan’s successor as Fianna Fáil’s finance spokesman, Michael McGrath, said Noonan’s statement was the first time he had acknowledged existence of the letter and urged him to publish it immediately.

“Essentially, we had a situation where the Central Bank of the 17 member state eurozone was pointing a loaded gun at the Irish government in order to get its way,” McGrath said.

“There is no reason whatsoever why Irish people should have to wait decades to understand the full background to Ireland’s entry into a formal bailout programme with the EU, ECB and IMF in November 2010.”

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Comments (63 Comments)

  • Give it to the German parliament and it will be leaked there in no time!

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  • Having read Matt coopers book about ‘how Ireland really went bust’ it says very clearly that we were bounced in a bailout which we wouldn’t have needed for another few months. The the ECB were being ruled by Germany and Frances demands and we, Ireland basically took the bullet to save the euro at the time.

    What also comes out is that French and German pension funds had invested massively in Irish bank bonds but very little on Irish government bonds. This is why they wouldnt allow us default on the bank bonds as the IMF wanted. The US was not our allie either, to them a run on the banks could have effected wall street.

    So in a nut shell, in case anyone really didn’t already know. We were left high and dry by the big boys who were only interested in saving there own countries and getting as much back from what they had lent. We on the otherhand were good europeans who took an almighty rogering where the sun don’t shine.

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    • You’re right Eric, we’re still taking a massive rogering with no end in sight! How/when is all this going to end?
      I mean it’s getting to the point where our wages will be paid directly to the government who in turn will issue us pocket money….just enough to keep us ticking over! They want everything from us and we are doing NOTHING to stop them!

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    • I hear you. I have one question. Why is this then not made known more publicly. To be honest I couldn’t tell you the difference between Irish Bank Bonds and Irish Government Bonds. It makes me so angry that now at this stage of my life I have to learn this financial s**t to understand what happened to our country. Most people do not have a clue about this and its not our fault. I hated maths in school and I hate anything to do with banks and their terms and conditions. It turns my stomach just to listen to an add about a bank and the absolute drivel at the end about being regulated by this and that. Regulation means F**k all because we can all see how banks ran amock so to me its all lies lies and lore lies and it kills me to have to learn this garbage in order to see who is responsible for all this mess. All that is happening is we are going around in circles. All this language is used to disguise lies end of story and I am tired of listening to it. Its like their whole intention is to bore us to death so that we switch off and they can continue on with their corruption.

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    • @Michael Burke. Jerome Reilly, in today’s Sindo, on the growing number of Irish people who are opting for the black economy as a means of protest against government corruption and incompetence.

      “Threat to overall economy as increasing numbers of once law-abiding citizens pay ‘cash in hand’ as form of protest

      THE black economy thrives in a recession. We all know that. But has the exponential growth of the ‘nixer’ become a form of social protest and a symptom of social unrest — not just against joblessness but also against stealth taxes and levies?
      Law-abiding citizens who have lived their lives by the rules are now more cavalier. The heavy burden of paying for the sins of bankers, rogue developers and dumb and dumber regulators who were rewarded for almost treasonable incompetence with big index-linked pensions has made them bitter and more prepared to turn a blind eye.”

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    • You can see the logic, what’s good for the goose and all that.

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  • I find it a bit odd that the request to release the letter is coming from opposition now under the guise of “the public need to know just how much pressure was put on us and they shouldn’t have to wait”, when if it had been released before the last election it may have taken some (but definitely not all) of the heat off FF at the time. I believe the content of the letter should be released, but for the public’s knowledge as opposed to some trivial point scoring exercise in the Dáil.

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    • I imagine the contents of the letter would stir up anti European sentiment. now that FG/lab are the ‘pro Europe’ parties holding the baton for passing European votes, its politically convenient for FF to pressure for the letter to come out.

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    • My sentiments exactly…FF are playing the spin game as only they know how. The whole good cop bit is a sham and we know it. You think if they were still in power they’d publish it? They would in their eye…and you’d have FG shouting for it to be published….muppet show the whole lot of them.

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    • Ryan'O 26/08/12 #

      Convenient for FF or not, the secrecy or confidentiality surrounding this is worrying. If there is nothing hide it should be released under FOI, the power that the EU,ECB etc have over the ordinary country is very very worrying. On a second nite Noonan will do everything in his power to shred this document for it will show the true beneficiaries of the bailout programme, namely him and his German bonds (that are maturing very well thanks to FG).

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    • @ Niall: Couldn’t agree more.

      @ Ryan O: Noonan sold his German bonds just after becoming Minister. This has been mentioned many times on this website by Gavan Reilly, and here’s a link to an Irish Times story:

      http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0404/1224314347526.html

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    • Ryan'O 26/08/12 #

      Sold before or after there is a conflict of interest there just like Oreily and his own private corporation nursing homes that sub contract to the HSE! Point is our officials do not have the interests of the people who elected them and in fact are supposed to serve but a load of money hungry self serving EU sell outs. So wether he sold his bonds or not he still held them and not to forget the bilderberg conference…..only time will tell.

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  • It’s gota be a case for Moulder and Scully .The truth is out there unfortunately the masses are on a need to know basis which means we dont know anything really.Sshhhhh!!

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  • It’s a scary thought, but is there any point in reporting in the media on the financial crisis when possibly the most important communications of the past few years are held back from us. Then as is said there was a ‘loaded gun’ pointed at the government to accept a bank bailout. There was obviously a reason and a contingency plan set in place by the ECB because they knew cracks were showing right across the board and they wanted to contain it, in private, possibly to stop mass panic and a run on the banks. If as suggested these letters are held back because of the fear our government can’t implement the ‘current economic strategy’ if the content was known, I think we need to know, in order to make an informed decision as to why we’re in this mess and how to proceed to fix the situation.

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  • Can’t understand why the Minister is not the Boss in his own Department . Why ? He ought to be able to order the letter to be released.

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    • I guess the reason for the FoI part of the department to be independent is to stop new ministers using certain material as political blackmail against his predecessor … I agree though that this letter should be released

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    • Because if the FOI section wasn’t legally independent, then a Minister who so wished could order that information they didn’t want made public not to be released. In this case obviously that may be a bad thing, but the principle is definitely a good one.

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  • I think we need to see beyond the party politics of this and clarify a few important issues ,

    is it the case that the ECB were so afraid of the contagion that they forced our hand

    Is it true that we ( the govts) were also forced to pay unsecured bond holders by Europe

    If it is the case that there are letters and correspondence then we should move beyond the partisan party politics and publish fully any information which more fully informs us of exactly how the Irish situation was handled in a more unfair way than that of Spain or Italy would be handled , we should not be expected to shoulder a disproportionate burden of pain for years ahead as the euro project is being badly managed and solutions apparently being made up as we go along. It’s called Freedom of Information for a reason , the hint is in the title!

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    • It was a set up from day one Dave look at how the IMF enter and never leave countries all throughout the world it was only a matter of time before they came for Europe with their successful Bank-debt plan.Now i dont pretend to know much about economics just a lowly plumber but if you see how these guys have operated since their formation in the 40′s you will see a clear pattern of how they break countries deliberately and then step in as oversee’rs claiming that the individual country cannot manage its own finances when the reality is the country was doing just fine before continental or global crisis occurs its just history repeating itself yet again but just closer to home this time.Banks rigg it so countries that were independently wealthy fall into debt in steps the IMF takeover the country implement their own policies which is the stripping of all assets of the unfortunate country they are in send the population into poverty protect the richest 10 15% because that is where the power lies and essentially economically invade a country and rule it then by the power of Fiscal budgeting.Alas create a World Banking Union and have the banks who are made up of unelected heads basically decide the direction and future of Governments and way of life as they see fit.There’s a pretty obvious big picture been painted the people just have to figure out what it is.Pretty for a few bit not for most .

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    • @Brend for a lowly plumber you sure have got a great grip on the facts and thanks for the comment. I see the pattern you describe and i think it is morally wrong and it is up to us to use this knowledge to free ourselves of the exploitation that will follow on by the IMF.

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    • Chris..Sound..its not about the money just the power .They have all the money already…time to watch the footy me thinks that’s still got some purity too it. Take it easy.

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    • You shouldn’t forget though, that the IMF were in favour of burning the bond holders, the IMF supported Iceland’s decisions regarding the same too. Yet for some reason our government decided you should pay for the banks fcuk ups.

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    • Dominique Strauss Kahn was entertaining the idea of burning the bondholders but was quickly removed from his position i think it was a sexual assault charge that never materialized .Christine LeGarde is good to go on the economical decimation of Ireland and other other EZ countries .

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  • Surely any contract signed under coercion, should it prove to be the case, is null and void under Irish Law. Therefore the contract itself cannot be fulfilled in its present format but rather must be either abandoned or, at the express will of both parties to the contract, be renegotiated?
    The EU-IMF bailout to Ireland has serious implications vis-a-vis the other bailout contracts with Greece etc. They cannot be allowed to ride roughshod over sovereign states, imposing the will of the super wealthy upon ordinary citizens, whilst willfully ignoring the laws of those states.

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  • This article in my opinion is the most important issue to date because if it is found to be true that basically a loaded gun was pointed at the minister to accept the bailout then all bets are off as far as I am concerned and we should reject everything that tyrannical Troika has to offer. I just cannot believe they will not release this letter. Are we that dumb and stupid in government? Is noonan that afraid of the troika? My god I am just baffled at his gutlessness and cowardice.

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    • Chris.. well said a V.I.P issue if it does become public then we may just get a little insight into the behind the scene’s workings of the money men behind the whole Euro project that’s if we don’t get a censored copy.

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  • Ah will ya stop , it is exactly that kind of nonsense that depresses me , it is not far more interesting or important that a limerick minister was drinking champagne bought by a limerick businessman during the summer , thats a a side show , utter shite , that’s like the party politic bullshit all over again , the debt burden on the iris state for the years ahead seriously effects all people living here , I think that the bailout issues are important to all of us , way beyond some of the trivial goverment bashing that gets us nowhere…

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  • Exactly Brend and in fairness we all need to know what happened. I knew as did every one else that some very serious s**t went down. I remember at the time watching the dail on tv and the faces of the the Fianna Fail front bench will stay with me forever. They were terrified. I remember in particular Brian Lenihan RIP and every time he was questioned by opposition he would literally squirm in his seat. You could see he KNEW this was a sumami and it was going to hit hard. I have to say I believe this did the man no good health wise and I have no doubt it contributed to his early death because that kind of pressure and stress is a killer.

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  • Paddy needs to know ?? Wonder who said that !!!

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  • There is a lot more serious and interesting stuff buried in the FF archives that should see a lot of the biffo-bertie clan in jail. This is a red herring and another spin to give those corrupt b@stards from the last government credibility.
    Too late, nothing contained in that letter can justify the mess that we are in and the blame lies firmly in the court of the corrupt individuals that we all know by name.

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  • I’d be more interested to find out why Minister Noonan was quaffing free champagne 2 weeks ago at a party hosted by JP McManus, an individual who pays virtually no tax in Ireland while the rest of us get hammered by it.

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  • Bogus argument at this stage. When leaders were required we were found lacking and as the old cliche goes, ‘We are where we are.’

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  • It’s a secret document, it wont get published but it might get “leaked” after a suitably long grace period.
    Anyway, we had to be bailed out – we continue to spend far more than we take in so the situation was untenable.
    I’d like to see the correspondence surrounding the dictat to the late Brian Lenihan surrounding the whole “No European bank shall be allowed to fail” debacle. Was there any coercion from the ECB prior to the blanket guarantee?
    Fat chance of that happening anytime soon though…

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    • Sorry but must correct you there. The bailout was for paying bankers gambling debts and for balancing general deficit. Can’t let you peddle that lie.

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    • Kindly clarify what you allege I am lying about.

      I said that we continue to spend more than we take in i.e we operate at a deficit.

      You acknowledge that the bailout was required to cover the “…General Deficit”.

      They’re the same thing so what’s the problem?

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    • Just suspicious of your intentional neglect to acknowledge the source of the debt that required a bailout. The deficit is a symptom of the cancer of debt they riddled us with. You are either intentionally misleading people or unknowingly misinformed.

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    • I see, so you simply decided to call me a liar based on your paranoia?

      Are you as quick to apologise as you are to accuse?

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    • Your statement was incorrect or at least for the most part misleading. If it is because of you not understanding the reason for a bailout then I apologize. The bailout was for the bankers and now we are left with the tab.

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  • Micheal 26/08/12 #

    This sounds like a “woe is me” tale.
    Say the letters are released? Do we hand back the loans we have received? Do we become a nation of builders once again?
    The fact of the matter is that regardless of whether or not these letters are released, we need to move on. There is no demand for building, that is what the entire Celtic Tiger was based on. We need a balanced economy, one that relies on many trades, on many industries, on many sectors.
    I’m not sure that releasing the letters is going to majestically bring all of that. Until we have a balanced economy, the queues at Dublin Airport are going to continue, until we are mature enough to hit that realisation, I don’t think we would be able to act responsibly, or act accordingly, if those letters were released. It’s easy to blame pressure from here or there or wherever. We need to look inward at ourselves, and releasing the letters isn’t going to make us do that.

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    • loans?
      Typical attitude towards all this by EU loyalists, question nothing, accept everything thrown at us, prostrate ourselves at the great altar of finance……sure who cares that the loaded gun was pointed at every man woman and child of this state……carry on, we’re good little Europeans…..give us hell Europe.

      Its this flaccid approach to all things EU which allowed this gun being put to our heads, we’re a soft touch…..whipping boys, and its why Ireland is an irrelevance to these bullies, we’ll continue to take the flak and its why no respite to the burden foisted upon us has being offered… (or indeed sought)….and will never be offered for as long as we remain the forellock tugging, cap doffing, hand wringing peasants the EU has us painted as.

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    • It’s not a woe is me tale at all , the euro currency was a badly designed political project , the weakness of which had a devastating effect when the pressures hit our economy , and the unfair way we were bailed and forced to structure the debt on all of us is not a woe is me tale. I don’t disagree at all with your points we need a balanced economy etc m but you cannot just accept an unsustainable debt put on our shoulders for years and years ahead because that’s the way the club has been operated as the rules were made up as they went along. The significance of the letter is evidence and information that can help us understand what has us in this position and how best to negotiate our best way forward…looking inward at ourselves is only going to get us so far , examining the scales of the debt problem will have to be part of any self examination anyway…

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    • Michael says we should not look to seek who is too blame yet puts the blame back on us -Ireland..ffs wise up.

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  • I’m not saying it that way they are my views. I don’t believe the masses are stabile enough to know everything. And I do believe the bailout was forced and it should have being just to the banks not tru government. But at the same time it was done for the greater good of euro.

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    • I see where you are going with this but do you not see that trying to control what people may or may not do sets you up as a controller and some kind of guardian My question is does you knowing this knowledge entitle you to decide who else knows. It is not right that a few should decide what the many should hear or see. freedom of information and knowledge is for everyone regardless of the fear it may cause in those who would like to withhold information. let it run its race and see what happens or how destiny God or whatever shapes it.

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  • no

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  • It seems to be a given at this point that this letter exists even if it does not appear on any schedule of correspondence, it would not be the first time that something was left off a list. There also seems to be a general concensus on the content and tone of this letter so I wonder what publication 2 years after the event will other than giving the government of the time a measure of vindication of their actions and about 2 weeks analysis, commentary and rehash of what happened and what should have been done etc. etc.

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    • The truth needs to come out into the light of day and then see what happens. Trying to hide the truth is wrong.

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    • The myth persists that Europes institutions (the ECB in particular) are trying to assist Ireland and other periphery nations through this crisis.
      The ECB implemented monetary policies designed to aid recessionary core nations, which continued to inflate credit bubbles in periphery nations prior to the crash in 2008.
      After the crash, the ECB bullied periphery nations to ensure the fallout from their bursting credit bubbles did not impact core nations. As one example, prior to Greeces last elections, the ECB threatened to stop ELA funding to some Greek banks (similar to the alleged threat made to Ireland). This threat precipitated a run on Greek banks which spread to other periphery nations.
      The fact is Europes institutions have not been honest, or neutral, brokers in this crisis. They have stepped outside their mandates to inappropriately exert political influence. This letter could present further evidence of this conduct.
      The Irish people are shouldering the burden of a crisis caused in part by the ill-designed Euro and core nation-friendly European institutions. The Irish people have a right to know what is contained in all correspondence between our government and Europes institutions. It’s contents should inform decisions made with respect to our ongoing relations with the the EU/ECB (like for example, surrendering our fiscal sovereignty to Europe).

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  • The masses don’t need to know everything I’m sure what was done was done for the greater good

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    • @John Paul, sarcasm is the lowest form of wit :/

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    • ok If you are serious JP then all I can say is that your conclusion is what basically keeps people oppressed. Fear of knowledge cannot be a motive for good.

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    • @Chris Day, it is not the lowest form of wit. It’s a wonderful way to express dissatisfaction through dry comedy. John Paul’s point is well and truly taken. That is the exact attitude of our elitist leaders, and anyone who goes against the grain is harassed, intimidated, threatened, has their reputation destroyed, people appear as if from nowhere with sordid stories of their evil, and if all else fails they are randomly killed by ‘robbers’ who are never caught.

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