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Non-Chinese Asians are the fastest growing ethnic group in Ireland – CSO

The vast majority of people in Ireland remain “white Irish”, who at 3,821,995 people represents 85.8 per cent of the population.

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IRELAND’S NON-CHINESE Asian population is the fastest growing ethic group in the country, figures released by the Central Statistics Office (CSO) reveal.

Those of “any other Asian background” were found to be the fastest growing ethnic grouping since 2006, with an annual growth of 13.3 per cent.

This far outweighed overall population growth, which was just 1.6 per cent annually.

Having first been added to the last census in 2006, questions related to ethnicity and cultural background were again asked last year.

Those of Irish ethnicity grew by one per cent, while the increase of those from “any other white background” increased by 7.4 per cent annually.

Those of African ethnicity saw an annual increase of 7.7 per cent.

The vast majority of people in Ireland remain “white Irish” who, at 3,821,995 people, represents 85.8 per cent of the population.

“Any other white background” formed 9.3 per cent of the population, non-Chinese Asians made up 1.5 per cent, while “African” was 1.3 per cent.

The next greatest ethnic percentage was Irish Travellers who, at 29,495 people, represented 0.6 per cent of the population.

There are 17,832 people of Chinese ethnicity resident in Ireland (0.4 per cent) while those of mixed background – totalling 70,324 – make up 0.9 per cent.

Social class and ethnicity


(Religion, Ethnicity and Irish Travellers – CSO)

The classification of “any other Asian background” was found to have just under half (48.8 per cent) belong to professional or managerial and technical social classes.

Over one-third of the Irish ethnic group (36.6 per cent) are in either “professional workers” or “managerial and technical” classes. Only 2.9 per cent of Irish Travellers, however, occupy these top two positions.

Over 30 per cent of both Africans and Chinese occupy the top three social classes, which also includes the “non-manual” social class.

There are twice as many Chinese in the “skilled manual” category as there are Africans.

Place of birth

Only 5.8 per cent (223,403) of white Irish people were born outside of the country – the main countries being England and Wales (123,456), Northern Ireland (54,889), and the US (17,213).

Over 90 per cent of Irish Travellers were born in Ireland, with 98.8 per cent of all Irish Travellers Irish by nationality.

One-third (16,694) of people with African ethnicity were born in Ireland. Just under a third were born in Nigeria.

Three out of five people of Chinese ethnicity were born in China, with 8.1 per cent born in Malaysia and 7.8 per cent born in Hong Kong.

The “any other Asian background” group had 23.9 per cent born in India, 19.1 per cent born in the Philippines and 11.1 per cent born in Pakistan.

Irish Travellers

Ireland’s traveller population totalled 29,573 in 2011, with an average age of 22.4 years, compared with 36.1 years for the rest of the population.

There are only 337 male travellers aged 65 or older (2.3 per cent), compared to a percentage of 10.7 in the general population.

One-third of Irish Travellers between the ages of 15 and 29 are married, compared with just 8.2 per cent of the general population.

Of the 252 15 to 19-year-olds that are married, 91 were male and 161 were female.

Irish Travellers are twice as likely to be separated than members of the general population (5.5 percent versus 11.4 per cent). Their divorce rates are lower, however, at 1.8 per cent compared to 4.2 per cent.

Irish Travellers between the ages of 30 and 49 are three times more likely to suffer from fair, bad or very bad health when compared to the general population.

Where accommodation is concerned, the number of Irish Travellers living in caravans or temporary structures has halved since 2006, from 24.7 per cent to 12.3 per cent. In addition, 98 per cent of those living in permanent housing now have central heating, compared to 79 per cent in 2006.

For those still living in mobile or temporary accommodation (886), almost one in three have no sewerage facilities. One in five living in mobile or temporary dwellings had no piped water source in 2011.

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Comments (64 Comments)

  • did i read that correctly? 357 male irish travellers over the age of 65 out of a population of 30,000 approx. jesus seems like you had better odds during the middle ages. was very suprised there was such a tiny proportion in the irish “unskilled” section,true there’s a lot more people with degrees and many more immigrants than in the eary 90′s .Also a great deal of irish out of work but who is working in the factories,shops,collecting the bins,security,cleaning and a thousand such jobs that are not necessarily classed as skilled.btw i’m a warehouse worker,experienced but not “skilled” ; )

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  • Every other person seems to be Brasilian where I live. Hopefully they stick around and we’ll have a decent football team eventually.

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    • The census 2011 reported 17,832 chinese, the 2008 census reported 11,161.

      These numbers are not reliable at all, If I were a journalist I would be ringing up the chinese embassy trying to get the real number and criticising the CSO over their inaccurate census reporting. The truth is we have no idea how many foreigners are in this country as the census relies on self-reporting and is not validated to my knowledge.

      From 2008
      http://www.prospectus.ie/documents/Prospectus_New_Communities_Report_Final.pdf

      “There are some questions about the accuracy of some of the data obtained by the CSO for the Census. For example, it shows the Chinese population in Ireland standing at just over 11,000 while
      NGOs and Chinese associations in Ireland estimate it as being anywhere between 60,000 and 100,000.”

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    • The CSO are not reporting the census inaccurately. If the census dats is inaccurate then that’s a different matter. The CSO can only report on the data.

      On what basis do you wish to criticise the CSO? Do you think they should go round to every house and demand true answers from every resident in the country?

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    • I would expect they would use a reliable methodology, I would expect they would cross reference their data with revenue and the welfare authority. I would expect them to conduct detailed audits in some areas.

      I know of several people who never bothered fill it out. Some lad working in a back kitchen with ahr a word of english isnt going to filling out no census, especially if he is working off the books.

      I would expect the people responsible for our frontiers to create an all ireland policy of recording the name and nationality of everybody entering and leaving the island of ireland.

      The census is dafacto not an indicator of the number of people of a given nationality in this country as my previous link makes 100% clear.

      This all goes back to the lacksadaisy, “sure till’ be grand” paddywhackery we have to endure in this country.

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    • @M O Sé – Consulting with Revenue or Welfare wouldn’t get you anywhere as the census is not based on who lives where. If I was in your house on census night i should be on your form. Revenue/Welfare would not have any details of me recorded at your address. Also, you could run into legal issues….census material is confidential and individual information cannot be distributed to other agencys/departments as far as I am aware.

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    • Tommy C 20/10/12 #

      We have to many non Irish on our team now! Time to get some Irish lads on there with some pride in this country!

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  • I honestly didn’t think travellers were an ethnic group. Didn’t that programme “blood of the travellers” show that they were essentially the same DNA as other Irish people.

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  • Aarum 19/10/12 #

    I’m sorry but I just don’t trust any statistics in relation to travellers, have you ever tried calling into a site and asking, who lives here, how many etc etc, no way to be 100%, the same for other house holds granted

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  • ‘The Chinese, a sound bunch of lads’

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  • Just so we are clear Martin. I’m saying travellers are no different to anyone else. I don’t believe they should be treated any differently than anyone else.
    Everybody makes choices in life I’m not making an issue of the ones I’ve made.

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  • Come to think of it, when I used to sign on, never did I once see an Asian in or near the dole office. Good working lads!

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  • Darren 19/10/12 #

    Paul@thejournal.ie Never heard the term “white Irish” before. Correct if I’m wrong but I don’t remember ticking that box when I was filling in my CSO form.

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  • whats so non chinese about them?

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  • I wonder did the census ask the immigrant status of the respondents . In other word did they ask if they were legally or illegally here. Furthermore did they ask those who are here on language courses when they first landed?
    It is guesstimated that we have approximately one hundred thousand illegal migrants here who are virtually all in some form of employment but below the radar. They add little to the economy because they remit as much of their earnings to their home country as they can.
    As charitable as we might wish to be we are also in an economic crisis and these are employment opportunities for the legal residents here first. If we take any other choice we will simply see the country flooded to an even greater extent than is currently the case.
    Since we never were an Imperial power I am surprised at the extent to which these migrants have found their way here but it raises questions around our lack of Border Controls.

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    • Yeh, it’s not the bankers, developers and politicians ruining this country. It’s the immigants.

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    • You are confusing the Census with immigration control. It is designed to find out who is in the house on Census night. It has nothing to do with whether you are there legally or illegally or even if you even live there or not.
      Also the census is confidential and the information cannot be given out to other departments/agencys on an individual basis.

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  • Why are there so many “unskilled” immigrants?
    We have enough unskilled locals here without having to import any.

    I can understand why there are Indian and Chinese Engineers coming here, but surely we can do without the unskilled ones…

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  • I see that non-Chinese Asians are the fastest growing community in Ireland? Well I suppose with the Irish leaving the country at the rate of 500 a month with the intent of never coming back have to be replaced some way, and this is as good as any and I suppose Kenny and the Rabbitte have to buy in their support from somewhere. Of course it is a far cry from the days of the flood when King Bertie was in power, when we were told we needed 57,000 immigrants every month to feed the economy, all or most of whom are now gone home or on unemployment here, well the traitors Kenny and the Rabbitte, you made sure King Bertie’s policies just kept right on going, so tell me, who is the opposition now? That is the real problem, in Ireland the same gangsters run the business from both sides of the House, which is really the same side of the House.

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  • I never said you called me anything? But I have had to put up with horrendous racial abuse over the years (won’t repeat the terms here), so I find the fact that you don’t like being called white Irish entertaining. The little extra something I have is this: I was born and raised in Ireland, went to school, went to mass, speak Gaeilge, follow GAA, enjoy a bit of trad, get all the cultural references of Bosco, Father Ted, Glenroe, Zig and Zag etc. Yet at the same time I have a deep understanding of a “foreign” culture, language and food that I imagine a lot of other Irish don’t have. Anyway I need to get back to work – Slán!

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  • Go back far enough along the DNA string at it’s pretty much accepted nowadays that we all walked out of Africa – Stereospecificationalism is one of the long-standing stalwarts to a better humanity.
    An atom is an atom.

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  • Darren 19/10/12 #

    Tom. I much rather be labelled as just Irish. I much prefer to label you as Irish. Not White Irish or Black Irish or any other Irish. Just Irish.

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    • But I don’t see myself as white. I’m proud of being mixed race, i.e. I’m Irish but I’ve got a little something extra. We have Irish Catholics and Irish Protestants, both Irish but both have different cultural references. This should be acknowledged and celebrated not ignored. Regularly people ask me where I’m from, I say that I’m Irish, and then they go, “yeah but where are you really from?” This conversation gets a bit dull after a few decades. I think the sooner people realise there’s non-white Irish, the less I’ll have to have this stupid conversation.

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    • Tom, I don’t understand. You’re Irish but you’re not white?? How is this possible in 1842? Oh, hold on a sec…

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    • John F 19/10/12 #

      @Darren. I agree also, Im not “white Irish” , I’m just Irish, our ethnicity is as unique as Chinese, Indians or aborigines and we should be proud of who we are, there’s a lot of people on here trying to deny we Irish are a unique group spouting nonsense about ‘mongrel nation’ and other comments that in my view are anti-Irish!
      We Irish should be proud of our background, we can trace our roots back thousands of years on this island, all of these experiences have molded and shaped our culture and who we are! I suppose it would be a lot easy for the far leftist liberals if we could disappear to ease the assimilation of the “new Irish”

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_people

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    • That’s right. The “new Irish” bogeyman is out to get all us native purebloods. It’s a genocide I tells ya. Dey tuk r jobs and now dey wants to label us as white Irish. And it’s all a communist conspiracy.

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    • Tommy C 20/10/12 #

      Ethnic Irish people ARE white whether you like it or not! Any other irish person of colour is not ethnic Irish so white Irish is a ridiculous term. Black irish or Asian irish however isnt.

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  • Darren 19/10/12 #

    Martin. I’m not a racist either. Im not the one that invented the “white Irish” ethnic stereotype for people like myself in my own country. This is first time I have heard this name and was just letting it be known that I don’t like it. End of.

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    • Darren I’ve been called a lot worse over the years. I had to grow a pretty thick skin growing up in the 1980’s Ireland. You’re a white guy who is Irish; therefore you are white Irish, QED.
      Don’t be annoyed, be proud of what you are!

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  • Hi Paul,
    Just a small correction (sorry it’s a bit late..).
    You have “There are 17,832 Chinese nationals resident in Ireland (0.4 per cent) while those of mixed background – totalling 70,324 – make up 0.9 per cent.”, whereas actually those figures don’t refer to nationality – they refer to selected ethnicity. The figure for Chinese nationality was actually much lower, at 10,986. It was interesting that there were 4,469 people selecting Chinese ethnicity and Irish nationality.

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  • Darren 19/10/12 #

    @paulhyland See the term is used a number of times by the CSO. Fair enough. I do think it’s wrong. It’s a disgrace we are now labelled as “white Irish” in our own country….

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    • What’s offensive about white Irish? There are a lot of Irish people who aren’t white Phil Lynott, Jason Sherlock, Seán Óg Ó hAilpín, Paul McGrath, (myself) etc. We regular use the term white male or black woman: nobody gets offended?

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    • Get over it Darren. Ffs, do the auld casual racists ever have a day off. When will people get it into their heads that the colour of someone’s skin is about as relevant of the colour of their nail polish.

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    • Tommy C 20/10/12 #

      Tom, those people you mentioned had an irish parent. Theres a massive difference in their ‘irishness’ and that of kids of Nigerian, Chinese migrants etc.

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  • Darren 19/10/12 #

    So Tom you have a little something extra because????? That just sounds like something your mother always told you.

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  • Tommy C 20/10/12 #

    What sort of visas are these people on? Are they skilled/ Are they doing the jobs that we couldnt get Irish or Europeans for?

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  • I resent the term white Irish, its derogatory! We “white Irish” are the native inhabitants of this island, we’ve lived here for thousands of years through terrible sufferings and hardships endured by our ancestors, still managed to turn this little island into one of the best countries to live in the world! Our ancestors fought suffered and died so we could have a place in this world to call our own, how many years before we start becoming insignificant in our own country? Could the author please clarify what he means by “white Irish”?

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    • A Cole 19/10/12 #

      Get over it, have you nothing better to be worried about.

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    • Your query lies with the CSO, who published the figures and frames it in these terms.

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    • Paul 19/10/12 #

      Thousands of years? Very few of us can trace our entire ancestry back ‘thousands’ of years exclusively to this island. In most likelihood you, me and Paddy down the road are a mix of Celt, Anglo, Viking, Norman etc…We are a tiny island nation….we didnt come from no where and we didn’t come that long ago either.

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    • Black Irish is a movie so they probably didn’t want you getting mixed up with that

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    • Q. Could the author please clarify what he means by “white Irish”?
      Ans: an Irish person who is white.

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    • @ Paul , we’re a mix alright, saying that we still have one if the purest bloodlines in Europe dating back well before the Celts.

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    • “Celts” this name is nothing but a myth, the Irish are no more ‘Celts’ than they are Romans! As for the “one of the purest bloodlines in Europe” Get real! Where did you get that from? The Irish are mongrel people just like all the other European peoples, there have been people here from the bronze age on yes, maybe with an Iberian ancestry but we have since had an influx of Norse, Danes, Angles, Saxons, Normans and even in the most ‘Celtic’ of places ie the Irish speaking Conamara you have Cromwellian bloodlines, all you have to do is look at the names, Windom, Grealish, Davey, Cook, Griffith which are all common in this part of the world. Most of what is termed ‘Celtic’ is in fact iron age, Newgrange, the Boyne valley etc. The Greeks used the term ‘Keltoi Galatae’ in reference to a people living around the lower Danube, the Romans then followed suit to describe the Gauls, there is little evidence that any of these people ever described themselves as “Celts”. This all came about at the turn of the 20th century with the poetic led ‘Celtic twilight revival and it was sized on by nationalist looking for a way of differentiating the Irish from the British and like all good myths it has now become history! As for “white Irish” maybe you should read the following or check out the documentary series made by Bob Quinn in the 80′s, his view was way ahead of it’s time and is now fast becoming the accepted view amongst academics and historians alike The ALANTEAN book and the DVD quartet are fascinating stuff well worth a look but up to yourselves what you take from it see here: http://www.conamara.org/

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  • @Paul Hyland
    Where does a black Irish man/woman fit into this.
    The graph states “Irish” not “white irish” as you have used in article

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  • “a terrible beauty is being born “

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  • okay…..

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  • Darren 19/10/12 #

    I’m not annoyed Tom. I didn’t call you anything either. It was a question and I will ask you again. Why do you think you have a little extra?, as per your previous post.

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  • Darren 19/10/12 #

    Yawn…..

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  • why oh why can i not red tumb ed appleby ; (

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