I know.
Joke.
Hello.

Actually doesn’t apply to print media.

Interesting

Will my kittens be ok

@ Jay Hells no, the puppies will be made kill them first

@Chris
FG wouldn’t be able to think that far forward, so the kittens would be grand i’m sure ;-)

Interestingly this is the same guy who came up with that dodgy list of supposed Anglo bondholders. If I wondered did he have an agenda before I’m pretty sure now.
Sorry but when people from outside Ireland get involved in calling for a vote one way or the other isn’t ‘interfering’ and ‘bullying’. Ah sorry my mistake that’s only when people look for a Yes.

Staines is a Irish citizen at least.

Gary, why did you reply to my post and then not actually reply to it? Wouldn’t be your usual little tactic of replying to the first post to get your unrelated post up near the top of the comments would it?

Not think thats a bit disrespectful to the other people posting , no?

on an unrelated topic, people who vote yes cannot understand the treaty, or maybe they would like to be ruled (yes i meant RULED) by anonymous and unaccountable bankers

Speak for yourself peasant, I read all literature provided by both sides and despite not bring a lawyer read the treaty text itself. After careful thought I voted yes as I believed it was in Irelands best interests overall. So, please explain how a yes voter can be ill informed.
Before anyone says it I am sure no voters did likewise but came to a different outcome but that is the joy of a democracy

You voted yes? Are you an islander as the rest of us haven’t got to vote yet

Why is it that I keep being reminded of that scene from the Godfather, “So Luca Bratzi told him either his brains or his signature would be on that contract”.

Broken Dreams

A Mother stands alone in tears
Looking down the winding road
Seeing a car in the distance
Talking away a precious load
Two children from the cradle raised
They were her hopes and dreams
But in search of a life of gain
They must leave this isle of Green

The house behind her is now empty
It was once a bustling home
The door was always on the latch
It was the Family Throne
Seeing our Nation sold out for profit
By those in power who abused control
Condemning Irelands finest Children
To seek life’s fulfilment far from home

P.J. Brennan

Only a fool would vote yes.

Gary, you badly need a good shift!!!

Limofax, You better explain you don’t mean a shift in the opinion polls. LOL

I thought those were the real FG ads …

Trueleft. You’re always shiteing on about ‘the blackmail’ clause. Same tactics different day.

Revolting Peasant. To accept what you’re saying we have to believe that 16 other Eurozone countries have agreed to be run by ‘anonymous bankers’. There’s more chance of England winning the world cup again.

Limofax. You’re not my type but thanks for the offer.

Only applies to print media and tv. Online media isn’t affected

No I giggled at this one. Anyone who believes it’s really FG is a fool.

Linking to the site ins’t too bad, it’s when they hack it I get a bit annoyed :P

It’s a wonder why FG are so upset by it then? If anyone thinks that’s it’s FG they are a fool……..I suppose they would then be known as SF?!

Yep, the real FG ads are far less amusing.

Of all the reprehensible sh** I have seen on here. Ann takes the crown. No 1 reason to never be associated with any side that brings it to such base, feck it, beastial levels… Your man was spot on. Bunny boiling maniac….

Got mine 2 weeks ago. If you’re on the register then valid ID should be enough to let you vote at your polling station.

Haven’t received anything yet!!!! Will have to double check when I go home again. The Misses has a habit of not telling me about post…

@ Chris Lynch

Ah ya, blame the Mrs.!!!!!

‘Rommel Burke’ is right, bring your passport or driving licence. My voting card arrived yesterday. Good luck everyone!
:(

Ed. Hang on a mo there, usual dishonest rubbish from the no side. Germany does not allow binding referenda for very obvious reasons. Think 1933 when some rabble rouser’s convinced the German population who were at a low point they had been hard done by. That they should vote in a tough new leader and give him executive power.
I know you won’t find this hard to believe but where there a lot of uncertainty some people use it to their advantage, to push their agenda.

Gary I think if you do a little bit of research the guy you are talking about (Hitler) wasn’t elected by referendum so please clarify what you mean. Oddly enough if I remember correctly Hitler didn’t even win the election that bought him to power. But sure keep on with the those who advocate no are dishonest

@Feargal MacDubhaill

Yours post is wasted on me! I am dyslexic. It’s bad enough trying to read ‘black print on white, but to print every word in upper case is worse! Doesn’t help.

was just going to say, that post is very hard to read.

shouting on the computer doesn’t work. Jim Larkin, sir, you are not. Get out on the streets on your soapbox.

Sorry about the caps sheila. I have spent the last 20 minutes rewriting the message in lowercase but my phone deleted it just before I posted it which is quite frustrating.
My message is basically this: Don’t trust the Fine Gael led propaganda. These people have ‘made it’ and they are largely unaffected by any outcome. Enda kenny has a teacher’s pension and a massive salary. No matter what, he’s safe as a house outside the republic of Ireland.
Vote no so we can see the cards before we make our play. That’s it. Good luck to us – ádh linn.

@ Feargal Dubhaill

Thanks for that! ;)

Ann the only reason anyone would “research their opponent” as you so combatively put it, is so they can engage in an ad hominem attack on them. You cannot engage on points alone so start attacking people personally. It is the last reserve of the dying wasp. Always has been.

I personally never bother to look at people’s pages. I dare say should I look at yours I would see you are a militant anti-gov, anti-everything, semi anarchist, possibly with ties to some political/ community organisations opposing the Treaty. Tell me if that were true would it negate your opinions? It would certainly negate your objectivity and your ability to critically engage. In my humble opinion.,

And Ann what does it matter who I have worked with at any point? I can still formulate an independent opinion. Mores the point what does it matter how I came to be in DC? I do happen to think it was invaluable. I am sure there are many things you think valuable that I would find petty at best, poisonous at worst.

There is certainly no reason why you should start copying and pasting facts relating to me on a public forum, which even by the low standards I have seen on here, is really desperate, and probably defaming.

It is all the more galling when you had the audacity to call me up on “going off topic” yesterday. “Going off topic” Ann is going out of your way to dredge up information on your so called “opponents” to than publish on a public forum. All it does is serve to underscore your total inability to engage and win a debate based on the merit and accuracy of your position, or the power of your persuasion, and highlight the depths you, and it seems alot of NO siders, will sink to.

Ann Reddin you never cease to amaze me! ;)

Jen! Chillax that long haul flight took it out of you! No need to go off on one, your taking this whole thing wayyyyyy to seriously:) welcome home btw its horrible that the FG policy’s make our young and talented emigrate.

@jen. I’m a No voter. But can I say you write beautifully. And v cute, even though it’s a small pic. Wish u were on the No side.

@Ann. What kind of bunny boiler does what u did? Please stick to argument in front of you.

You people are bats crazy! is it any wonder thejournal.ie is so skewed to the no side!!!!! I have wanted to comment on a good few occasions, but just thought i would spare myself the bs attacks……
any opposing view is screamed down, girls it seems are particularly attacked, internet scoured for information to publish about them, like fiendish little rats!!! No chance of a two sided debate around these parts so!

Anne Reddin you are especially vile.

@jen. Maybe there’s more than one way to scrap Croke park. But scrap it we must

Jennifer, I would like to humbly apologise for my miss-informed post. It left the door open for Ann to do what she did. It was certainly not my intention to do that. Ann you are disgraceful for latching onto my post to do what you did. While we disagree on this subject, personal diatribes should never, ever come into it. Again my humble apologies.
Leslie

Leslie Alan Rock. Perhaps you should reread what I said. I’m not that fussed if people from outside give their opinion. But the no camp rant on and on if anyone does it looking for a Yes. It’s the double standards that are the problem.

Occupy Dame street are now occuping the Referendum Commissioners offices.

Hope they’ve showered

Me too,

Wouldn’t want to sully the reputation of International banking would we?

It really does not matter what these people do, gross misrepresentation, NO leaflets inside the Commissions, last minute publicity stunts, you name it, people on here will still try and turn it around in their defence.

Can you imagine the furore if there was banners of men in balaclavas sporting AK 47s saying Vote NO linking to SF’s website?
You would be up in arms, excuse the pun.

And it has nothing to do with it being international banks they are misrepresenting. It is the thoughtless juvenility of the tactics that I hope come back to bite them in the ass.

Jennifer did you even read the article ???

“As David Cochrane of Politics.ie noted, some of the ads also link to the website of Declan Ganley’s Libertas but TheJournal.ie understands that the ads are not in anyway affiliated to the organisation which is campaigning for a No vote.”

Not all NO voters are Sinn Féin voters so in regards mis-representation could you please stop brandishing every NO voter with the one brush….

I said nothing about SF, merely made the point that if similar banners were linking to their website- as the major party opposed to the Treaty- as the above adds are linking to the FG website- the main party supporting, their would be uproar.

Yeah it’s been an honest debate I’m sure. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78909677&postcount=1

Both sides, are like cornered rats!

The timid and fearful will vote yes!
The angry and righteous will vote no!
Gimmick campaigns won’t make any difference.

@Jennifer: “Thought their little high court stunt would work.” who is “their” in this case if not Pearse Doherty and Sinn Féin???

Avarus will you excuse me. I thought you were referring to my second comment. And in the first instance I meant tactics of the NO side in general, including SF’s, and now these people.

Worth a read Sean

http://namawinelake.wordpress.com/2012/05/30/is-the-anglo-promissory-note-deal-announced-in-march-2012-now-in-tatters/

Once again Jennifer,you seem to have some sort of mental block here or something ???

“TheJournal.ie understands that the ads are not in anyway affiliated to the organisation which is campaigning for a No vote.”

I’m not an SF supporter and I think that their posters etc in this campaign have been woeful, but this whole “SF = Terrorists” thing.. Are all those throwing these accusations out there unaware of SF’s role in the Good Friday Agreement? Even the famed Gerry Adams?
FFS, move on. The people of Ulster managed it, they voted them into power! (and they bore the brunt of the troubles). Even the BBC have had Gerry Adams presenting shows for them.
If the best someone can do to disagree with SF is to label them terrorists then they need to learn the definition of a logical fallacy..

For goodness sake, it’s time we moved on, the past is done and gone, so long as you live in it, you screw up the future through ignoring the present.

I bet you feel like a tit now after blaming sinn fein

How does it seem that a yes vote is certain?

@ Ryan oneill

How does it seem that a yes vote is certain either? listening to the NO side in the past few days? Nobody knows. I don’t even know which way I’m voting yet, so how the hell do the media know what way it’s going?

By the way, I did read the article and the Judge threw it out but also said it was to debate. Am I right or wrong?

Cork 96fm ran a text poll. Aprox 2200 people responded – 81% NO & 19% Yes. Dont be counting those chickens just yet D.A

Just going on bookies odds. They tend not to mess with their money.

They’re not asking who will win anymore, but by how much yest will win by, with the 8% to 16% bracket the current favourite. I’d be surprised if it was that high but not surprised at all by yes victory.

@shielabyrne
That’s my point. I was commenting on the post above mine! Nobody can call it, that’s why I said how can you be certain that it will be yes. Or no for that matter. I havnt spoken to any undecided yet, either yes or no and both firmly adamant as to why there voting each way. I really can’t see how anyone would vote yes or still be undecided but that’s just me being overly involved since the beginning.

From the high court judge earlier:

“Because it is impossible for me at this juncture to express a definitive view, in part because of the very acute time pressures, I can merely observe that there is room for legitimate legal and political debate on this question.”

Hardly exposing Sinn Fein as liars is it Denis?

You obviously were watching some other event…..nobody told any lies….. opinions were expressed, and the fact a high court had to adjudicate on it meant what was put forward had enough viability to be in a court and to be rejected at all…..and don’t even talk about underhanded tactics….last minute clauses,threats of harsh budgets etc……be a good boy and vote for your master!

Ah Trueleft, selective quoting who woulda thunk it.

@Too Trueleft

I thought I heard on the news RTE1 that the judge threw it out. Sin Fein lost the case?

@sheila,
Yet your commenting on the journal but didn’t read the relevant article they published about it?! Hmmmm

Sheila Sin Fein never took a case.

gary, instead of taking issue with me posting the words the judge used, perhaps you’d like to post the quote from the judge ‘proving’ sinn fein are liars.

When you’re ready. We could use a good laugh.

@true left. Your 100% correct. The judge said it was complicated and open for legitimate debate. He did not “throw it out”. The matter will be decided by a European court if it gets that far