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France and Germany merge corporate tax rate – and call for ‘Eurozone government’

Sarkozy and Merkel want collective Eurozone ‘government’, and call on other countries to make laws balancing their budgets.

Image: Geert Vanden Wijngaert/AP

FRANCE AND GERMANY have agreed to introduce a joint corporate tax rate in their countries by 2016 – and have called on other Eurozone countries to establish a collective financial ‘government’ for the entire Eurozone.

Holding a press conference after a bilateral summit, German chancellor Angela Merkel and French president Nicolas Sarkozy said their countries would also try to introduce a so-called ‘Tobin Tax’ on financial transactions as a matter of priority.

The duo also called on the leaders of the 17 Eurozone member states to adopt so-called ‘balanced budget’ rules in the constitutions, requiring them to take drastic action aimed at tackling their national debts,  by the middle of next year.

The pair – representing the Eurozone’s two largest and strongest economies – also urged other member states to allow for the creation of a ‘collective government’, to be led in theory by the European Council president Herman van Rompuy.

Merkel outlined plans which would still give each Eurozone’s domestic parliament an oversight of the ‘government’, on a ‘step by step’ basis. France had put forward good proposals in this regard, she said.

The call for a common administration of the Eurozone could pave the way for the eventual introduction of common ‘Eurobonds’ issued by the Eurozone as a whole – though both leaders said such a prospect was not immediately on the table.

Such bonds, which would command interest rates lower than those currently paid by weaker economies – but which would see France and Germany paying significantly higher rates than they now – would all but divert the need for any further Eurozone bailouts in future.

Sarkozy commented that while Eurobonds could potentially be “the result of a process of integration”, they would likely mark the final threshold of financial integration between Euro member states.

He added that if countries were to abide by the calls to invest more in education, universities and other social causes, they would have to first get their domestic debt levels under control.

Merkel added that Eurozone countries needed to “integrate our financial policies to a greater extent” and said confidence in the Euro could be enhanced if its members worked more closely together.

It was not clear whether the proposed new Eurozone government would require a new pan-EU treaty, though Merkel conceded: “I can’t say that the Lisbon Treaty will be the last one we [Euro members] sign.”

Under Germany’s plans for a legal budget limit, countries whose national debt stood at over 60 per cent of their economic output would be asked to wipe five per cent off their debt every year. Countries falling under this so-called “golden rule” would include Ireland and Italy.

“We have all learned that punctual action can help to address our problems,” Merkel said. “Europe has learned that it must take action.”

The calls came on a day when Eurozone economic growth for the second quarter of 2011 was revealed as a surprisingly 0.2 per cent, with growth in Germany only 0.1 per cent.

More: Read what Michael Noonan had to say about the plans >

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  • This is like that time Sauron and Saruman got together to try and rule middle earth.

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    • Bring on the Ents.

      Why the feck didn’t Germany and France just merge in to one Country in the 90′s, rather than try to bring the rest of Europe in to their little affair.

      This is just the beginning of a retrenchment of the Euro, of which we will be on the outside. The Euro whatever its pros and Cons should never have had more than 5-6 countries at the start. Over a generation it probably would have worked up to 17 but in the short few years it has proved a disaster. We certainly have a long way to go yet.

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    • I am no conspiracy theorist John, but am i the only one who could see this coming i can’t be.

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    • Tony I think Germany tried to merge with France on a few occasions, the last 1 been around 1941, but they couldn’t agree on the corporate tax and some other small detail at the time can’t quiet remember what it was…….

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    • are we the hobbits? tell me we are the hobbits. Enda in his furry feet heading across europe to drop something into a german volcano type thing. I’m not really sure who sam is tho. It could be Varadkar?

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    • @Swimtwobirds does that make ming and mick wallace merry and pippin???? clearly Gilmore would be sam!

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    • For all Frodo’s sacrifice to keep the world free from Sauron, hobbits eventually were disenfranchised by the main beneficiaries of his heroism, Man.

      The big people tend to win in the end, and many of Sauron’s officers, including the Mouth of Sauron, were men.

      Of course, horror and cruelty aside, some would have touted Sauron as a unifying political force across Middle Earth.

      We’re already surrounded by an American Hegemony – and China is knocking on the door.

      Which Empire would you prefer to be a part of?

      You choose.

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  • Cue a continent of political researchers checking the pros and cons of a Tobin Tax…

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  • Balanced budget amendment stop spending ? We ran balanced budgets most of the time !

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    • Exactly! The reason our debt is above 60% of GDP is because of the bank guarantee and the property crash, not public spending. We actually ran surpluses during much of the boom years and steadily reduced our national debt.

      Any constitutional amendment should be vigorously opposed as its constitutionalises the neoliberal economics of austerity, making Keynesian solutions illegal in perpetuity. This would be yet another serious restriction on democracy and attempts to introduce it another example of the ‘Shock Doctrine’. The elites never waste a good crisis.

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    • It’s more a measure for Italy and other countries. Some have been way outside the Growth and Stability pact.

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  • Feck that. Glad I hoarded all those ten punt notes….

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  • They’ll be hauling the railway carriage out of the Forest of Compiegne on a “wrapping it up for Europe” tour one suspects.

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  • After 1,000 years, the descendants of Charlemagne have rebuilt the Roman Empire.

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  • Have they really agreed a joint corporation tax rate? Link?

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  • “The duo also called on the leaders of the 17 Eurozone member states to adopt so-called ‘balanced budget’ rules into each of their constitutions”, does that mean we’d need a referendum…?

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  • This means WAR!

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  • Germany and the spineless french at it again. If this comes to a referendum in Ireland, as a country, we will vote no and what’s betting Enda will do exactly what Berti did! He’ll say “get back out there you stupid, stupid paddies and vote the way I tell you to vote!”
    Default! Default on our debts now and pull out of the Euro! Every economist worth their weight in euro bonds is shouting at the government to pull out of the euro. Sure, we’ll face a tough 2-3 years afterwards but at least then we’ll be out and able to command our own future. What have we got to look forward to if we stay in the euro and fall under Germany’s financial rule? For the love of god pull out of the euro now!

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  • This won’t happen. There is no way 16 euro governments will all fall neatly into line behind the German and French ducks. We’re by no means the only country who will have a problem with harmonisation of corporate taxes and even if you just look at the headline rates, we’re not the lowest. Cyprus and Estonia have lower rates.

    The proposal on putting a balanced budget clause in the constitution seems sensible but wouldn’t have stopped Ireland’s crisis. We had a budget surplus up until 2007. The problem was that our revenue had too narrow a base – in property related taxes – so when the perfect storm struck we were well and truly sunk.

    All in all, the pair of them might have spent the afternoon more profitably watching DVDs.

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  • I wonder if this may make some of the countries in the euro to pull out in the long run. Countries like Finland, Holland and others are sure to eventually go on their own if these measures don’t start to contain this contagion.

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  • A Tobin tax? Wow.

    That was one of the demands of the loose global coalition that emerged from the Seattle WTO protest in 1999 and morphed into the global justice movement, which was misleadingly called erroneously called the “anti-globalisation” movement by sections of the popular press.

    Dismissed with sneering derision at the time as being utopian it is now being adopted by the EU.

    Hegelian dialetics in action :-)

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  • Communism failed, now capitalism
    has failed, but the rich and powerful won’t let capitalism fail.

    What do we do? Storm the Bastille? Perhaps, perhaps not. All I know is we need to take some action.

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  • Mr G 16/08/11 #

    Bye bye eurozone ,…..

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  • If there is a common fiscal policy, I assume expenditure will be part of this also. The problem will be that we will lose our competitive advantage in Europe. The big economies will get bigger and probably call more of the shots, while Ireland is dwarfed more and more and multinational jobs go to France and Germany who have better infrastructure and still have a few bob to pump into education, while we reign in spending. The only benefit is if we get more European cash to pump into out country until we reach a German benchmark on roads etc.

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    • yes, exactly, we’ll end up a lot more emotionally attuned to the anger of backwater american federal states left sucking off federal assistance as a sop against the disinterest of the federal Core.

      But look – it doesn’t matter anyway – bar merkal pointing nukes at dublin – there is no way in hell its getting past our constitution without a referendum. And there is no way in hell we are going to press the button on what germany wants. I’m getting sick of this EU thing. Who’s accountable anyway? does that parliament mean anything? the council of ministers? Barroso? It’s all a pseudo democratic mess. All we’re left with is france and germany on the phone to each other deciding what they think should happen to a continent’s worth of states and citizens. It won’t end well this.

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  • Forget the Tobin Tax — ditch the euro altogether I say! Trying to bandage together a broken monetary system. Let’s face it the euro is a failure pure and simple and we wouldn’t be in such dire straights … The EU is turning into a Frankenstein-esque monster who is out of control! Germany and France are not playing fair if you all think about it! Eurobonds are not the full solution but they will solve a lot of issues but I still believe that the euro has been irreparably weakened as a working viable currency. Start over. Reintroduce our currencies despite the fallout as we will then be masters of our own destiny instead of being a prisoner of Eurocrats

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  • We will need several before the Government goets the answer it wants.

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  • Will it be an actual Tobin tax with the money raised being redistributed based in need, or is it just a tax on financial transactions with money going to state coffers? One is impressive, the other is unsurprising

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  • Non and nein.

    There is no such thing as the EU anymore. It’s France, Germany and sometimes Belgium. Where does the political and economic homogenisation end?

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  • The 60% rule would have interesting implications for Ireland, and other tax havens. Since Irish GDP is inflated by multinational tax arrangements and transfer pricing, GNP is probably a more reliable measure of economic activity. However the latter is few tens of billions short of the former…

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  • Whats that crunching sound i hear , its the sound of Angie Merkels economic jackboots on our necks , little Sarkozy sniggering at her heels.

    Just off to take the dust covers of the Spitfire looks like its going to get a workout, this time i’ll be strafing Paris.
    Sssh don’t mention the war not very PC.

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  • Stocks have fallen after this announcement but that might just be traders and investors unhappy that they’re about to be Tobin Taxed. Anything that reigns in the bad side of the markets is a good thing.

    What’s also good is a Balanced Budget Amendment to national constitutions. I can’t see why anyone would be against one and it could have stopped FF spending all they spent during the boom. That also has to be welcomed.

    Devil is probably in the detail.

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    • Eh stocks are so bipolar at the moment that any piece of news is exacerbated 10 fold.

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    • “What’s also good is a Balanced Budget Amendment to national constitutions. ”

      yes – but who is asking for it? Barroso? The EU parliament? The council of ministers? What in the name of GOD are those institutions there for if the EU ends up being merkel and sarkozy telling 300 odd million people what is about to happen to their budgets? Why, in the name of Christ, do we bother to have have MEP elections?

      Our EU parliament is democratically meaningless. It means about as much, in this context, as a Syrian parliament.

      It isn’t that there is a democratic deficit at the EU level – there is absolutely no democracy, direct or indirect at the EU level to be seen in the action of this franco german move – it is bully rule, by fiat, by Imperial powers.

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    • Woah, firstly France and Germany have only proposed these changes. It’s what they want to see happen. They’re perfectly entitled to express their views.

      Secondly, any amendments to “national” constitutions will have to be passed by national parliaments or most likely by the electorate. Nothing happens in Europe without the consent of national governments. We’ve just had our election to put forward our negotiators in this. If our government doesn’t like what’s in the proposals, then they won’t happen.

      If our government agrees to European proposals that we don’t like then blame Kenny and the government, don’t go blaming Europe and trying to create fear over some kind of Euro-Federalist conspiracy. We’ve only ourselves to blame if we elected the wrong TDs back in February.

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    • David – you’re side stepping the point – this EU system supposedly has a range of democratic-ish institutions at its core. They are all completely silent. The parliament is silent. Barroso is silent. The council of ministers is silent, the commision is silent. None of the institutional architecture of the EU seems to be playing any role, or making any sound. Seriously – when is the last time you heard from any of them?

      All I hear are Trichet, Sarkozy and Merkel. Those are the only voices any of us have heard in this European union for two years now.

      A central banker, Germany and France.

      “We’ve only ourselves to blame if we elected the wrong TDs back in February.”

      The issue David, is not the worth of our decisions in our legislature elections, but rather if there is an accountable legislature or democratic actor of any description at play in the supranational EU decision making. the fact that the representatives of the two most powerful states arise from local democracies does not answer the total deficit of democratic accountability in their EU wide actions as representing the might and decision making of the EU as a sudden club of two over a phone call.

      We don’t have even quasi-democratic institutions in play here. It’s ludicrous.

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  • I can see where Germany and France are coming from, it’s not the EU’s fault, nor Europe’s fault that Ireland is in the state it’s in, or that Greece, or Spain are either. It’s reckless spending by useless governments who thought they were cute enough to get away with it (in our case, they did).

    It’s easy as Irish people to see germany threatening our economic recovery, the reality is Irish corporate tax has very little to do with why many companies are here (Google for example doesn’t pay the full 12% and can’t even get the money it makes from here back to the states, as it would have to pay up to 35% tax on it!). But we have to look at it as well that 100′s of millions or people are all using the one currency, German and French taxpayers are having to bail us out (Paying the over-inflated presidential, politician and RTE salaries) while the rest of us taxpayers work our arses off to be able to get autonomy back.

    It’s completely fair for us to say to them not to bully us, but we should remember that Ireland got itself into the state we’re in, through useless government and disastrous financial regulation – at least Brussels is far away from the back patting and circle jerking that went on behind closed doors in the Oireachtas! If they’re giving us money to get us out of this hole, we simply have to be willing to accept the consequences.

    And not by leaving the Euro, which would weaken us further (Euro is one of the worlds most powerful currencies, and with our EU memberships allows us to punch well above our weight globally, ask any irish company in China!).

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    • Granted “we’re” at fault for everything that happened before 2008, and for a good few mistakes that happened afterwards. Not to mention that the bank guarantee was “our” own idea.

      Yet if it wasn’t for Merkel and Sarko’s lovely little stroll down by the beaches in Deauville, and their subsequent foolish announcement, chances are we wouldn’t have had to have been bailed out. Since 2008, we have obeyed their every beck and call. Sometimes it was for our own good, other times it wasn’t.

      I can understand why Merkel and Sarkozy are using their own economic and political power within the European Union and the single currency to benefit their own citizens. I think it’s naive for us all to think that we wouldn’t have done the same thing in their shoes. Yet we’re entitled to demand concessions, if we’re to give up further power to the EU – concessions that actively help stimulate our economy.

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    • Ciaran, everyone I met in Google was worried that the European Head Office would move if the corporate tax rate went up.

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    • Isn’t it sad that we have to rely so much on FDI’s?

      Any good invention we come up with gets sold of to the Yanks.

      We need to start investing in ourselves and our own intellectual capital.

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  • Sarkozy can whinge and moan about the Irish Corporation Tax rate all he wants, but it isn’t the reason that France is failing to win foreign investment from the US, etc.

    France is a notoriously difficult place for foreign companies to do business, with both local and national government more concerned with showing the “foreigners” who’s boss. Add to that the fact that the French unions are willing to call a strike every time the cheese is left on the wrong shelf, and the place doesn’t rank too favourably as a place to set up shop.
    Maybe Sarkozy could do with addressing his country’s problems in this regard, but then again it’s so much easy to just blame someone else.

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  • Market reaction today to #merkozy : "The problems are pretty serious and deep, and letâ

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  • Alors, il semble que la merde a frapper le ventilateur. C’est l’heur a améliorer mon niveau de francais et d’allemande. Mais avant, il faut que je retrouve mes livres de Leaving Cert…

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  • I think this makes a CCCTB inevitable and probably the best way to avoid the damage of being outside the common corporate tax Rate.

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    • yes – but doesn’t that mean that local corporation tax rates will in effect be meaningless to the corporations based in the host state? – because of the new calculations on corporate income, profits and activity at the EU level? It’ll kill us as an open economy – we could make the tax rate 10% and it wont matter – the supra national calculations on the companies activities in the EU will negate the advantage of basing themselves in a low corporation tax rate host country. Like Ireland. As a scheme it favours the EU core. I know this will also ultimately mean EU bonds and us getting out of jail, but in the long term it’ll turn us into a stunted backwater with little ability to present ourselves advantageously for foreign direct investment. We’ll be like north carolina or something. A deadbeat backwater continuously on the drip for federal grants and assistance. If we have to compete with the Core on German terms, we will lose for a century.

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    • And add to that an increasing less educated work force due to the eminent and short-sighted fee increases and things look even worse.

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    • So in exchange for giving away fiscal sovereignty on a permanent basis we’ll get economic policies that massively favour France and Germany, that will make us less attractive to invest in but them more so.

      I remember talking to a Yes to Lisbon drone who just couldn’t get his head around the idea that the French and Germans would nullify or replace the Corporate Tax Rate. He just kept going on about guarantee’s. He just couldn’t get his head to think that there is always away around a problem. Sarkozy and Merkel have found their solution and it ties Ireland and an awful lot of Europe in to being states that are in an economic straight jacket while removing their ability to grow out of it.

      Big jobs in this new Europe for prominent members of FG and FF.

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    • I voted Yes to Lisbon.

      I knew this would happen.

      Can’t happen soon enough.

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