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Noonan ‘welcomes’ new initiative of Sarkozy and Merkel; FF has ’cause for concern’

Michael Noonan shows cautious optimism after France and Germany outline plans for a Eurozone ‘financial government’.

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Updated, 20.49

THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE Michael Noonan has welcomed the initiatives announced by Nicolas Sarkozy and Angela Merkel this afternoon, embracing them as a an “absolute determination to defend the euro”.

Sarkozy and Merkel today called for the creation of a common ‘financial government’ for the 17 members of the Eurozone, as well as announcing that their national corporate tax rates would be merged by 2016.

The pair also called on each Eurozone member to introduce constitutional laws governing the management of their national budgets – ensuring that each country would have to pursue aggressive cost-cutting if its national debt grew to a certain threshold.

“I will be directly feeding Ireland’s views into the discussions on the prop0sals at Eurogroup and Ecofin meetings, and with my other finance minister colleagues,” Noonan said in a statement.

I note that [European Council] president Herman van Rompuy will be tasked with ensuring a more co-ordinated fiscal approach across the Eurozone. Ireland remains fully committed to bringing our deficit to 3 per cent by 2015.

He added that his department had already undertaken ‘detailed work’ on the preparation of a fiscal responsibility bill similar to that being proposed by Nicolas Sarkozy, but said that any constitutional amendment would have to be considered by the government.

He also added that while the French and German finance ministers had already raised the prospect of a so-called ‘Tobin tax’, at the last meeting of the European council, it was not included in the final agreement reached at that meeting.

Fianna Fáil’s finance spokesman Michael McGrath also welcomed the determination to defend the Euro, but said his initial reaction was that “a number of the measures announced today are a cause for concern for Ireland.

“‘The emphasis placed by the German and French leaders during today’s press conference on the issue of corporation tax rate and base harmonisation is deeply worrying, particularly given that the Irish Government committed at July’s Eurozone summit to engaging ‘constructively’ on the issue of CCTB,” McGrath said.

There seems to be a determination at European level to impose corporation tax harmonisation by one mechanism or another and this is something the Irish Government needs to resist by every means possible.

McGrath called on the government to again reiterate its opposition to a harmonised tax regime across the Eurozone, and to state its position on the notion of a Eurozone economic government.

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Comments (50 Comments)

  • David Rockefeller said,"Single government will not be forced on the population, they will demand it". His words are now ringing through my head as I read these comments.

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  • I have a sneaking suspicion that this common Eurozone Government and harmonisation of taxes was always going to be (or even planned to be) part of the endgame.

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  • So Corp tax is on the agenda

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  • A proposal for a merger of tax in 5 years is called determination to defend the Euro. The Euro might not even make Christmas. It is the usual fluff and bollox from the EU, dangerous fluff.

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  • The white flag has been raised over Merrion Street.

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  • I’ll vote no twice or more

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  • Traitor. End of.

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  • Whatever way it is being dressed up we are being dictated to by Germany and France. These are also the two countries who’s bond holders we are not allowed to burn. If they want to run Europe then they must be big enough to take on the responsibility for reckless lending by their banks. Europe has chosen to forget the basic principles on which it was founded. If Europe was a company it would be wound up and creditors paid 5 cent in the euro. I think it’s time to make the headstone, write the eulogy and arrange the wake. RIP Europe.

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  • It’s good to see that Irish patriotism is still alive outside dail chambers.
    I have to agree with Tony, the Euro could collapse 3 times before the Eurogovernment ever gets off the ground.
    European leaders are displaying a level of incompetence that could only be matched in Fianna Fail.
    I do hope that our overpaid elected representatives are making provisions for the collapse of the Euro. It’s starting to look inevitable.
    Sorry they’re on holidays!

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  • 16/08/11 #

    Welcome to the Federal European Republic!

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    • Whatever it is, a republic it isn’t.

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    • How original :-P

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    • To the Anon comment, not yours Keith

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    • I’ve no problem with a federal Europe – it was bound to happen at some point – but it has to come with a list of demands:

      1. A constitution, approved by the people of Europe, guaranteeing our natural rights.
      2. A European Supreme Court to defend said constitution.
      3. A democratically elected president with executive powers.
      4. A democratically elected parliament with upper and lower houses.
      5. Abolition of the current European Commission, to be replaced by a parliament appointed executive.
      6. The devolution unto each state the power to control its own legislature, police force, welfare state, education system, healthcare system and infrastructure, the power to raise its local defence forces within a reasonable size, and to provide for the same within its own constitution, so long as do not transgress the terms of the European Constitution.

      If those demands are not complied with in a satisfactory manner, then I think that I’ll join the IRA. After all I hear whispers that the war with the UK is over and that they’re going to try their might against the new administration setting up shop in der Schloss von Dublin and Leinster Haus. ;)

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    • 6. should have contained the ability to raise taxes to fund the same.

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  • This is only the beginning, Germany & France have a meeting & the future of 17 countries is decided. Does that sound democratic to anyone?I can’t but think that all the events that have happened since 2008 have been part of the plan for the higher powers within Europe.

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  • this is an outrage I’m Irish not European I want to live by Irish rules and pay Irish taxes .

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  • Mr G 16/08/11 #

    Time for Ireland to depart the eurozone. The French and Germans want to run Europe and our idiots will just go along with it. What did our grandfathers fight for. If our government want riots like the uk and civil unrest well that’s whats going to happen. I personally would fight to protect our republic and no French / german Fu@ker will try and force us into a "federal state"

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  • Your French or German now.take your pick!?welcome to imperialism of the 21st centuary!

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  • Europe can’t stay as it is, therefore it’s full political and economic integration or back to the old days.

    Bertie, biffo, haughey, mccreevy, Larry goodman, Telecom eireann and ballsbridge, careysford college, tax amnesty after tax amnesty, 14% mortgage interest rates, 51% income tax fir those not in the golden circle.

    We are totally unable to manage our fiscal affairs, always have been always will be.
    Would economic integration be any worse that the last 80 years?

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    • Does this mean no more comely maidens dancing with Charlie Mc Quaid at the crossroads?

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    • totally incapable? why do we tolerate such incompetence? because for generations we have chosen to accept others discrediting us and part of that is the options you present.

      we are capable of managing our own affairs but its long overdue that we stopped running away and face up to our responsibilities to be a nation

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  • trust baldy noonan to stand up for the irish people a baldy lapdog. the irish people should do what’s best for ireland
    we owe germany and france nothing in moral terms. neither king nor kaiser but ireland

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  • Pretty ironic that as we approach 2016 we are ceding sovereignty to a nation that slaughtered millions of people in order to control Europe. Could Hitler have asked for much more than this?
    Gotta wonder too, what the purpose of the whole Irish Independence thing was, really…. seemed a good idea at the time I guess.

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  • The good news is that they haven’t a clue and the market is simply going to rip the EU project into shreds. Great day for Ireland and our future.

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  • Mr G 17/08/11 #

    Don’t want to sound like jim corr but this really looks like it was orchestrated. In 1950 6 years after the war, germany and France got together to create ecsc(along with a few others ) 1957 treaty of rome, 1973 Ireland joins (invited by "Germany") and now on way to federal states of europe, My point is Europe was ruined in the 1940’s by Germany the only way to regain financial control was to introduce the ecsc with the view to expansion at that time opened the Market to 500 million people. Now Germany have fecked up again(or have they is this part of the plan) lending money too cheap, knowing small countries could not resist . Now what is the way out …. Expand eu again.. Only this time they are in control it only took 70 ish years but has this been planned out from the start

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  • Further integration without public consent of all Europeans French,Irish or German is undemocratic. All our cultures are just too different for it to work right. As a young person I just feel my generation and my country are being punished for the mistakes of failed institutions.i am Irish and Irish only..not European

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  • Can’t imagine anything worse than being ruled by the Germans…..ireland is losing it’s independence little by little…it’s depressing.

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  • Normally I would utterly oppose further European integration but at the moment pulling out is just not an option, We can talk about going back to the punt etc. but it would require unsustainable deflationary measures. I believe further political unity would be impossible due to overlapping nationalism but more economic harmonization may not be the worst idea right now, as long as an opt-out clause is always on the table.

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  • The measures outlines by Merkel and Sarkosy are:

    1. A limit on deficits and a balanced budget amendment to all constitutions.
    2. A financial transactions tax
    3. A limit to the EU bailout fund.
    4. Corporate Tax harmonisation ONLY between France and Germany

    I dunno about you guys but I don’t see anything wrong with those measures. The fact that France and Germany harmonise THEIR tax rates is of no consequence to Ireland. Just because these measures are proposed in Europe shouldn’t be the issue. Let’s discuss the ideas on their own merits. If the present government proposed such measures for Ireland alone, there’d be widespread praise for them!

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    • David – I personally think you have a point, but you didn’t mention the proposal for a common Eurozone ‘financial government’, which for many people pushes the giant red button marked ‘sovereignty’.

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    • Well, if our government agrees to that, and if people are against that, they’ve only themselves to blame for electing the wrong TDs back in February.

      I’d rather lose sovereignty than wealth.

      Most people agree that we either move closer to Europe or further away from Europe to solve this crisis.

      If we move away and quit the Euro, we’ll see massive inflation as the cost of our Imports would rise. Yes our exports would be boosted, but if the world economy is in tatters, don’t expect there to be a great demand for our exports.

      That only leaves greater fiscal union as a solution.

      It should be noted that these measure might only be a temporary solution to solve the Euro crisis, not a permanent step of integration.

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  • It’s a good step.. the issue was “Either we get More Europe or Less Europe”. Confederate Europe is not working, it lacks full monetary policy powers. It’s time for the euro to get more federal or we all fold up our tents and go home.

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  • 3 points to consider

    1. We have already ceded our financial independence to Germany thanks to fianna fail

    2. We voted no to lisbon then we voted yes. Why?

    3. Humanity is change. Nothing in life remains the same, Europe has changed, we need to change. Think back to a time when thousands of Europeans were massacred and we all stood back and did nothing. Serbia.

    Is a united Europe such a bad thing?

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    • In relation to your points
      1. Ireland ceded sovereignty without asking her people => undemocratic
      2. We voted on Lisbon, but got the wrong answer => undemocratic
      ( Why people changed from no to yes – I have no idea… Fear?)
      3. Change IS inevitable, but it does not automatically follow that that means a United States of Europe.
      The vast majority of analysts & commentators agree that we are entering an energy crises.
      Some peer reviews claim Peak Oil has already been hit, which they claim is evident from the volatility of
      the oil price.
      4. Yes. A United States of Europe (USE) is a bad thing.
      The economic-growth-market model is failing and “export led” growth is surely a time bomb.
      Change is indeed upon us, but, personally, I do not believe that becoming a bigger neo-liberal state is the
      answer. If USE is to be a democratic state then the people of the states involved will need to be asked.
      German people, French people, Dutch people, Irish people …. will any of them want this?

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  • If we ever needed proof that markets deliver more efficiently than the state, this is it! The eurozone crisis will deliver greater European integration in three years than our politicians could manage in the previous thirty.
    Thatcher would approve, or..er… would she?!!…

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