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Ghost estates could be used for social housing – Minister

It will be a long process but the Minister wants to look at using so-called ghost estates for much needed social housing.

Ghost housing estate, The Waterways, in Keshcarrigan in Leitrim.
Ghost housing estate, The Waterways, in Keshcarrigan in Leitrim.
Image: Mark Stedman/Photocall Ireland

UNFINISHED HOUSES IN so-called ghost estates across Ireland may be used as social housing in the future.

Minister for Housing and Planning Willie Penrose today spoke of his intention to look at sourcing social housing from the “vacant and unfinished properties that litter the country”.

The idea is still only at a “suggestion stage” but the Minister already chairs a committee that deals with the legacy of such ghost estates, a spokesman for the Department told TheJournal.ie.

“It is definitely one option being looked at,” he said.

However, it is not as simple as just providing the bricks-and-mortar.

“Social housing is about more than finding and securing units. The houses have to be appropriate and part of sustainable developments in suitable areas,” explained the spokesman.

There is also the fact that a lot of the unfinished estates are still privately owned.

The next step in the “long process” is for local authorities to sit down with the main stakeholders, including banks, the developers and, in some cases, NAMA, to come up with site resolution plans.

Health and safety issues

However, there are some “developer-abandoned” houses – already identified by the Department of the Environment – that local authorities have started working on.

In these cases, funding has been provided to address health and safety issues and make the sites safe.

“One suggestion is for local authorities to finish these developments and then use some of the units for social housing.

“But if we are to use the taxpayers’ money for something like that, it would have to prove worthwhile,” added the spokesman.

“Site resolution plans will have to be put in place by local authorities and other major players when they decide how to deal with such properties,” concluded the spokesman.

Increased need

A report released by the Housing Agency today showed that there has been a 75 per cent increase in the need for social housing support in 2011. As of March 31, there were 98,318 households in need.

The Government has committed to providing as many families as possible with accommodation over the next three years.

“Despite the fact that the number of households who are in receipt of rental assistance from the state, either in social housing or through rent supplement, is the highest ever, the increase in the net need figures indicates that much more must be done,” said Minister Penrose.

There is no single solution,” he added. “The State must look to all sources of supply, in particular the vacant and unfinished properties that litter the country. It must work with a range of public, private, voluntary and co-operative housing bodies, and it must look to investment from the financial institutions as well as the Exchequer.”

A long-term leasing initiative is already in place to help increase the availability of social housing but the Minister said that one of his priorities for 2012 is to “address the overhang in the housing market, especially from unfinished estates”.

Earlier this month, the Irish Times reported that there has been an increase in the number of ghost estates across the country. In research due to be published next month, the Housing Agency will detail a total of 2,881 unoccupied developments.

Last year, the agency said there were 2,846 incomplete housing developments across the country.

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Comments (22 Comments)

  • Great idea but we’ve been discussing this for almost 3 years. Any chance of some action?

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  • I feel sorry for people who have large mortgages who will see families moving into the house next door for free, personally if it were me with the large mortgage I’d be less than pleased!

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  • This is only a good idea if they also plan to develop the infrastructure, transport, schools, shops and other facilities that were intended to go along with them. Otherwise sending people to live in the middle of nowhere is a terrible idea as some previous commenters have pointed out.

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  • Someone remind me, did sticking exclusively hard-up people in under-serviced job-free housing estates miles from anywhere work the last time we tried it? Or the time before that? Or anywhere in the world, ever?

    Still, at least that’s one question that’s a dead cert on the Leaving Geography paper in 2030.

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    • Stephen, you are spot on. Look at what happened when people were relocated to ballymun and ballyfermot in the past. Great houses, no facilities. This is a really stupid idea and I hope it never gets off the ground.

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    • Like Russian gulags, out of sight out of mind.

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    • You are dead right Stephen. And who pays for these estates to be finished & infrastructure etc put in ? Oh yes the good old taxpayer. These estates were built privately by developers who went bust. If they are not able to be sold n the open market then knock them and return the rural sites to green fields.

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  • Some one is now thinking after bailing out the banks and developer, it’s time for the government to get their hands on those properties that those developer bailed out own and turn it into social housing so as to save the tax payers money been wasted on social housing.

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  • this is great! when you can no longer afford the mortgage for your house in commuter land on a crappy unfinished estate cos your call centre job doesnt exist or you’ve been "downsized", the bank will take your near worthless house and you’ll move next door into a newly finished social housing set up. Doesn’t that satisfy everyone in the country?

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  • Should hand over loads of these places to the likes of Clúid to manage them from a social housing perspective and also Rural Resettlement Ireland if there are many out West, but do it without any silly clauses attached (like 5 year only clauses then the people must buy or move out, which has been applied to recent takeovers of ghost estates by some social housing groups, and it’s a stupid clause).
    Rent them out, manage them, build a community around them and give people the option to buy in the future *if* they so wish to do so, but don’t make it an absolute or else type of thing.

    Some of the estates though should just be demolished as they were built in such a stupid manner in the first place with no social planning or community spirit at all (as in, some estates built nowhere near any services, no shops, no schools, not even a doctors to be had for miles around, stupid !)

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  • About ruddy time!
    Took them long enough even to get this far!

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  • isn’t there an Irish school in cork using a hotel that was going to the wall as their school, hotel developer redesigned certain rooms for them. headmistress asked him/them would he rent it for use as a school, anyway other ideas what the ghost estates could be repurposed for.

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  • Can you say slum?

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  • GGingles 19/09/11 #

    Will have to be stringently surveyed to ensure they meet building regs re. insulation etc. Alot of sh1te thrown up on the cheap with corners cut as budgets contracted. Some will have to be demolished.

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  • And my comments were removed why? Loving the free speech thing going on.

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  • Government motto: let’s not rush into doing the obvious. NAMA owns many of these estates. Why is the government still panning out private rental subsidies when these could diverted into readying social housing? The need to repair the balance sheets of property investors overrides all common sense it seems.

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  • A great idea and probably an inevitable outcome for “some” surplus housing stock. However! too many houses are built in the wrong place. There are villages along the Western Seaboard which have in some cases in excess of 40 houses built and partiall built all empty and no sign of being completed. there is little point in using many of these for social housing as they are far away from services and employment.

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  • It’s a good idea as the amount of money the state would be saving in rent allowance

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  • Yes but can’t morgage payers get mortgage supplement to help them when they are in need, it would also make some debt forgiveness for mortgage owners more palpatable for the portion of the population that don’t have mortgages.

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  • Who ya goina call? GHOSTBUSTERS!

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