“No economy has ever taxed its way back to recovery. – Taken from Fine Gael’s 5 Point Plan.
Liars the lot of them!

The fact the property tax will probably be 0.25% gives Government the chance to say that the IMF wanted it twice that. It’s like hitting a guy in the face with a shovel once and asking him to be grateful he didn’t get it twice! Cheers!!

They’re pushing us ever so gently over the edge, I wonder how long it will be until we crack and become like the Greeks and riot

Brian Hayes is a muppet, neither him nor his co-workers ie the top paid civil servants in this country know what it is like struggling to pay for basic everyday needs.
I’m sick to my back teeth listening to them pitting the public sector against the private sector. Every normal person in this bloody country are on their knees.
Christopher, hope you can get sorted with your mortgage. You should contact your local MABS office, they can assist you with dealing with the Bank.

It’s laughable. It also explains why he has said he will not make the people of Ireland pay the amounts the IMF wants for 2013 because he sees it that we only pay half of it, thinking that we are to stupid to notice and think he has done something good. Full IMF whack in 2014…..

love to know where you expect people to get money to pay this bill,i cant wait till we march in hundreds of thousands on the dail.

The junior finance minister is making comments like “don’t overreact” to just generate some publicity for himself. Agree on the ploy of lulling us to pay a little more on d basis that we avoided greater pain thanks to our “hero”.

Red Herring!!……the Gov for the last few days have slowly released this rhetoric and now it reaches its summit, basically they are saying that the IMF are looking for a tax of 1000 a year….the Gov are now making themselves look as if they are standing up to the IMF (wishful thinking!) and saying 5% would be too hard on poor oul Paddy and we will only tax them half that amount, and poor oul Paddy (this refers to those who paid the 100) will say, “ah shur fair play to dem all the same, they saved us 500″………..wakey wakey!!!!

Did not Noonan say yesterday that €1000 was to much?

Mick Wallace has mine…….ask him..

So thats ok then.

Just checked the back of the sofa and theres no more money left, sorry minister but i havent a pot to piss in so do you take IOU’s? They are pushing people to the very limit and the worse of it is that nothing about this is fair. The very wealthy and those who never worked in their life are the ones cruising through this. Anyone who is currently working on low to middle income or those who have recently been laid off are paying for all this.

We already paid our property tax, only then it was called stamp Duty (5yrs ago) and it was a hell of a lot more than 1k, if thats the rat then I reckon we’ve ponied up for the next 40 years!

Mammy the minister is at the door looking for the property tax ,well love tell him to come in and we will all look for it .

I believe the penny is finally dropping, the Government do not care be under no illusions, those days are gone !
so we have to do likewise, they want property tax, water charges, bin charges, ( yet they cut wages take the pennies the lucky few have left, and do not care what stress and panic Irish people face, well lock me up cause i say enough get lost, at least in jail everything is free…..

I am a public servant, working in the educational sector. I take my role very seriously. I recognise, however, that I am very lucky in many respects compared to many workers in the private sector. In the midst of the current public discourse, we need to remember though that WE all need one another, private and public. For example, I deliberately shop in my local area, paying for goods and services, to help maintain employment. In essence, I use any discretionary spending I have to support my neighbours. The Private and Public sectors in Ireland are interdependent. Be very wary of people who seek to divide and conquer workers so as to deflect attention from the reality that so called ordinary Irish people are now paying a huge price for the recent greed and recklessness of a relative few.

I have been holding off emigrating with work but this carry on yesterday is making me more determined. Time to go. Half my family left 2 years ago. It really looks like a lost case. No talking to them. There is a real divide between them and regular folks. Sickening.

Brian Hayes the irish answer to a working class Tory once again appears out to tell us this will only be for half a year.If 600000 wont pay 100 how many cant or wont pay 500 or 1000.

Negative equity, loss of mortage Interest relief, petrol up 45 percent , wages down 25 percent ,
Food prices up 10 percent, universal social charge, pension levy, household charge, water charge, health insurance up 45 percent, bin tags up 40 percent, motor tax up 20percent, vat up 2 percent,
Apartment Service fees up 10 percent,
And now I have to pay 1250 euro for the privilege of “owning” my shoebox that’s worth about 80 k?
All of this to keep paying off the senior unsecured gamblers and protecting the “most vulnerable”?
What the f***k are they vulnerable to ? Losing a bit of weight? No booze or fags? They won’t lose their centrally Located warm council houses with no mortgages, free medical cards, free this free that, plenty of nixers,

This country is a joke

the keys are under the mat..

There’s only one question regarding this. WHAT are YOU going to do about it?

Being forced into paying back unsecured bondholders is one of the major causes of our current situation. I voted FG as they indicated they would stand up to European bullying ala “not another cent”. They then proceeded to bend over as far as possible and are still gripping their ankles. I hope they get destroyed in the next election and I so regret voting for them. This country cannot take another 15billion in cuts as the middle class are at breaking point.

When the govt sorts out the over paid muppets protected by the croke park agreement then I will considering paying to aid this country. This alone would save billions! How can a country like ours pay public service 30 percent more than our counterparts not to mention ridiculous pay to politicians who earn more than our European friends …. Geldof was right Bannana republic!

Who decides on the value of a home ? That figure will have a large importance on determining what .5% is related to.

Hey peasants Brian here am we have decided not to crucify ye for HALF A YEAR yes yes you could say its a stay of execution but lets be clear on this we are still going to ryde the arse’s of ye thanks for the vote ;)

Hayes is another fool. Ask the people do they have the money first. Noonan is taking his personal life out on the entire country. He is a dog and I know people that know him. If they were even saying these are stop gap measures to get the country back it might happen but as we all know once they get these various charges in they will stay forever more.

Why the hell are we paying out our backsides for the greedy politicians of this country and the bankers, it’s their mess…they make a lot more than we do so why the hell aren’t they taking the payouts. Nothing but corruption in the dail and the banks and making the average joe soap pay for their overspending and the banks idiotic lending. There is approximately 4 Million people in Ireland. On September 1st 2012 1BILLION EURO went to one unsecured bondholder (paid by us), that works out at €250 from every person in this country. Now there,s €64.1 BILLION that is the BANKS AND GOVERNMENTS fault which means that €16,000 from each person in this country will be put back into the RECAPITALISATION of the banks, nevermind paying off the IMF! , ESMS etc with their interest rates.

In 2011 Ireland’s GDP (gross domestic product) was 41%.
In 2012 Taoiseach announces he wants to reduce to 3% by 2016.
This means taking €13 BILLION to give to BANKS, BONDHOLDERS and GOVERNMENTS. (which will be taken from every average citizen of Ireland, EXCEPT for the high rollers who earn €211,000 a year :maybe more, maybe less: .

Now the people of Ireland were never given a choice in the “blanket guarantee” and now we,re not being given a choice in gettin our money cut down to the bare minimum while the jokers of the government, banks, bondholders swan around on their nice big wallets yet they can’t take a paycut???

How is this fair??????

http://www.change.org/petitions/supporting-the-irish-nation-step-down-from-government

I won’t be paying! Simple as. Put me in prison – I could do with a few days off work ;-) while you’re at it you’ll have to put my kids into care, that’ll cost probably the same as the charge so let’s just call it square.

@ Gavan Reilly

Ireland’s economy, weighed down by the legacy of the near- collapse of its banking system, is struggling to grow as international growth prospects weaken. The IMF repeated its call for Europe to help the state lower the cost of rescuing its financial system, which has cost the government about 64 billion euros ($82 billion) so far.

Irish Economy 2012: Preliminary estimates for the first quarter of 2012 show seasonally adjusted volume declines for both GDP (gross domestic product: -1.1%) and GNP (gross national product: -1.3%) compared with the fourth quarter of 2011. However, the Central Statistics Office (CSO) says that compared with the same quarter one year ago there were constant price increases in both measures: GDP (+1.2%) and GNP (+0.2%). 2011 GDP was revised up to +1.5% while GNP remained at -2.5%. The current account was in deficit with a value of €1bn in the quarter.

The Balance of Payments current account was €1.04bn in deficit in the first quarter of 2012. A merchandise surplus of €8.28bn was more than offset by an invisibles deficit of €9.33bn

Irish GDP growth was 1.4% in 2011, double the 0.7% indicated by the previous release;
The revision reflected stronger exports (5.0% versus 4.1% in the first release) and a shallower (2.0%) decline in consumer spending;
An upward revision in nominal GDP from €156.4bn to €159bn means that the government debt/GDP ratio has been revised to 106.5% from 108.2%.

The quarter 1 figures for 2012 were somewhat disappointing, showing a quarter-on-quarter GDP decline of 1.3%,  but the seasonally adjusted quarterly data need to be treated with particular caution.  Exports were still growing, but there was a significant spike in imports; this may well be reversed over the coming quarters. The imports increase may also be a precursor to stronger export activity over the remainder of the year. The annual figures show that services exports grew by 12% in Q1, which is reflective of the overall strength of the technology sector in recent times.”

To put this in context; the direct cost of €64.1 billion is equivalent to :

- 41% of GDP
- approximately seven times what the state spends annually on education.
- over four times what it spends annually on health
- over three times what it spends annually on social protection
- almost twice the state,s total tax revenue

28 November- the European Union agreed to a €85 BILLION rescue deal of which €22.5 BILLION from the EFSM, €22.5 BILLION from the IMF, €22.5 BILLION from the EFSF and bilateral loans from the UK, Denmark and Sweden.

24 Novemeber 2010: Cowen unveiled a four year plan to stabilise the economy by 2014;

- Drastic cuts in social welfare
- lowering of the minimum wage
- increase in value added tax
- maintaining the state,s low corporate tax

On 21/07/11; ENDA Kenny announced that an agreement had been reached by Eurozone leaders to reduce Ireland,s interest rate by 2% and extend the repayment period.

ENDA Kenny also said that it will move Ireland towards a manageable DEFICIT OF 3% of GDP BY 2015.

In 2011,s Budget;

- public spending was cut by €2.2 BILLION, and taxes were to be raised in the amount of €1.6 BILLION.

Also ENDA Kenny said; we,re shutting down dysfunctional banks and we,ve recapitalized the remaining one,s at a lower cost than expected by imposing losses on some bondholders (lies).

The main purpose for 2011,s Budget; and their four year strategy was;

- creation of jobs four our people ( in 2011 more than 100,000 people LOST their jobs and he only plans on trying to create 100,000 jobs over the next 4 years and we,re supposed to be grateful?????)

-we will leave income tax untouched

This is what was involved in the 2011 Budget;

. No reduction in state pension (how convenient)
. €10 reduction in Child Benefit rates
. €8 cut for social welfare, jobseekers payments
. 4c on petrol, 2c on diesel from midnight ( which government will not suffer due to “fuel allowances”)
. Revised air travel tax of €3 from March
. €40 payment for fuel allowance recipients
. New minimum wage not in tax net
. Public service pay will not be cut
. Public sector salary capped at €250k
. Public service pensions over €12k cut 4%
. Taoiseach salary cut by €14k; ministers by €10k ( however taoiseachs salary was raised back up to €211,000 a few months after).
. Next President’s salary to be capped at €250,000
. Employee PRSI/health levy pension relief gone
. Income/health levies to be replaced by single universal social charge. Rates on the charge will be 0% below €4,004 a year, 2% up to €10,036, 4% from €10,036 to €16,016 and 7% above this level
. Pension contributions subject to PRSI and Universial Social Charge
. Employee PRSI contribution ceiling removed
. Increase in the PRSI rate for the self-employed, higher earning public servants and office holders
. 1% tax on residential transactions up to €1m; 2% over €1m
. All stamp duty exemptions abolished
. Car scrappage extended for six months
. No change to Ireland’s corporation rate
. Value of tax bands and credits to be reduced by 10%
. DIRT increased by 2%
. Online betting will be subject to the same betting duty as in bookie shops
. Carer’s Allowance for those under 66 to be cut by €8 to €212 a week
. Disability Allowance being cut by €8 to €186 a week
. Business Expansion Scheme to be revamped
. 15,000 activation places for unemployed
. Third-level student charges are to rise by €500 to €2000
. Student grants are to be cut by 4%
. New passport fees for over 65s

Notice how it’s all the average joe soaps of Ireland who suffer, and come 2012,s budget we will see our salaries slashed even more, 2013,2014,2015 and 2016 will see the worst cuts imaginable brought down on the citizens of Ireland whilst the high up classes keep their nose up the ars of the banks, IMF, ESMS and ESFS.

They couldn’t run a brothel!

It’s just take take take,have forked out close to a grand to get my son to secondary,& it was hard to come by,today he came home with a letter from the school for a school tour to Spain for next march,€200 deposit in by next wed,had to break his heart & tell him he couldn’t go even though the friends are going,am sick of schools putting pressure on parents for these extravagant holidays,now it’s the property tax,i already paid that yrs ago as stamp duty,they can f**k off,I can’t pay what I haven’t got!!!

oops rat=rate

The rich won’t be bothered by this property tax and the poor won’t be required to pay it and the value of the houses in the middle is greatly reduced – I can’t see the problem really. Ireland seems to have enjoyed 20 years of over easy living – now it’s time to pay the piper.