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TD says new law should give parents access to sex offender details

TD Denis Naughten who published the bill this week said Garda intelligence should be used to protect our children.

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TD DENIS NAUGHTEN has published a new law which would give information to parents regarding a paedophile living in their community.

The law would allow Gardaí to disclose information of sex offenders to the parents of children and vulnerable adults if they believe that child is at risk.

Explaining his reason for drafting the bill, Naughten said “Garda intelligence has a meaningful role to play in protecting our children, but at present a large body of such intelligence and other important information concerning individuals sits passively on the Garda information systems.”

“It is my hope that through the measures contained in the bill we can put that information to work in the interests of child protection,” he said.

The bill proposes the establishment of a system which would enable parents to enquire whether persons coming into contact with their child have been convicted of a sexual offence or otherwise pose a serious danger.

It would also provide a similar entitlement for persons in authority in schools and clubs.

The system is modelled on Sarah’s Law which operated in the UK through the Child Sex Offender Disclosure Scheme.

Sarah’s Law is so named after 8-year-old Sarah Payne who was abducted and murdered in the UK in 2000 by a sex offender. The law allows members of the public to to ask the police for disclosure about people who have unsupervised access to children.

However, Naughten said the Irish law would have more limitations than the UK law restricting access to information parents and guardians who can show reason for the request.

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Comments (21 Comments)

  • Resel 24/07/12 #

    With all the history of abuse in Ireland I’d say all of us are living near to an offender.

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  • If the law applies only to people with direct access to children then I think that this is a good thing. That way at least if a child joins a club or go’s to school etc the parent can feel somewhat secure in the knowledge that a sex offender isn’t in direct contact with an offender.

    The law should not be used to target offenders in the community who do not have direct access to children as this only has the effect of driving offenders underground. As Andrew pointed out above in some States an offender has to go door to door and inform people of their address and offence. In most States you can look up a website that will tell you where all known offenders live, their offences and level of risk. This can lead to witch-hunts and vigilantism which only drives the offender from place to place. Eventually they may disappear off the grid altogether and no-one knows where they are.

    Any offender leaving an Irish prison has to be assessed using the Matrix2000 to see their level of risk. Based on this level of risk a monitoring plan is put in place with strict rules governing what the offender can and can’t do. The Gardai then know who they are, where they live and watch them to make sure that they comply with their release program. They can only do that if they know where the offender is, so if full disclosure is given to the public and the offender is shunted around so much that they decide not to register at their next address then the gardai can not do their job.

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    • People who work with children or vulnerable people already need Garda vetting. Sex offenders are barred from working with children already.

      You are right about the witch-hunting: a few years ago a paediatrician’s home was attacked in the UK because people confused “paediatrician” with “paedophile”.

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  • Against it. Ireland is far too small for something like this, the last thing we need is sex offenders being hunted from town to town until they go underground. I agree the sex offenders register needs an overhaul and of course Gardai should know where the offenders are and what activities they are involved in, but I don’t think this should be public knowledge unless there is a very compelling reason.

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  • God no way, it would just open the door to vigilante justice!

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  • Against it… In the USA successive add ins to sex offender legislation has resulted in people having to go door to door when they move to an area and announce that they were caught peeing on the street in their 20s… By over legislating it they have made it completely useless.

    Meanwhile the Vatican covers up those who are really out there raping lil boys…

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    • Andrew, the new law is carefully worded to ensure that someting like that does not happen. Relevent information will only be disclosed on a confidential basis to parents where the parents have raised concerns regarding an individual

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    • Denis, you cannot ensure that this information remains confidential. How are you going to stop the parent from telling all of their friends and neighbours, resulting in a person who has served their time in prison being completely shunned by their community?

      If an ex-offender is shunned everywhere he goes, how is he ever going to live a normal life and become a contributing member of society? Your proposal will only serve to make ex-offenders more dangerous by not allowing them to return to normal society.

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    • James the law allows the Gardaí to disclose information of sex offenders to the parents of children and vulnerable adults IF they believe that child is at risk. This information is disclosed in confidence and if this is breached, the parent themselves are breaking the law.
      The reality is that in most cases, in smaller communities, where there is a greater risk of direct action if a predator is exposed, many people in the community have their suspicions, yet sadly parents are the last to know.
      Furthermore, if they are not a risk to the community, then checking them out in a formalised way will allay unnecessary fears.

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    • What research indicates that this type of legislation allays fears? Anywhere it has been introduced it has increased fears and has led to vigilantism and hysteria.

      It is impractical to suggest that a parent who passes on this information is breaking the law. That would be near impossible to prove. It would be up to the prosecution to prove that the information came from the parent in question. There is no way you could prove that the only person who could possibly have passed on the information was the parent in question.
      Even if you could prove that it came from a particular couple, you couldn’t prosecute both for a “crime” that only one of them committed. If neither admits it, the case falls.

      This proposal blocks any chance of an ex-offender reintegrating into society and becoming a normal, law-abiding citizen.

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    • I can predict what will happen… concerned vigilante parents will set up a ‘track the sex offenders in your neighborhood’ website, where if your name is john smith and you have a public social media profile you will be mistaken as someone else and your picture, workplace etc will be posted for all to see in the irrevocable court of internet public opinion.

      The economist did a very good write up on the uselessness of such legislation including the last bill that specified those on the list, couldn’t live with 2 miles of a school, or 5 of a playground, or 3 of a school crossing. When the numbers were crunched turned out there was three streets in the country you could legally live if you were on the list.

      It’s not about protecting sex offenders it’s about not making legislation to protect children descend into uselessness

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  • Gerard 24/07/12 #

    This is a good idea and long overdue.

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  • I’d love to be aware of any sex offenders nearby!! I know that 3 sisters were all molested by the same man in my estate only a few years ago. He was only moved out of the estate,been told he hasn’t moved too far either. Also that there was another pedophile around not so long ago. If there’s one near now then I’d like to know! I think we should have access to that information for safety in the area you live in.

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  • reds 24/07/12 #

    Everyone should have access to this information, not just people with children.

    It’s black and white- if you rape, abuse, assault anyone, accept the consequences along with it! It’s taken way too lightly in Ireland.

    It’s the vulnerable people that we need to protect, not the people who commit the crimes. I cannot understand how some people want to protect these animals!!!

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  • I want a law that will send Bankers and Politicians to Jail for Generations they have destroyed !

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  • Look, we have carefully worded the law to protect against vigilantes. We are not introducing the system that is in the US where names are published, but something similar to that in the UK, and only giving access to parents and guardians (sadly in this country they are usually the last to know).
    As for the current monitoring, while Brian might wish for such a monitoring system, the reality is far, far different. There is NO sex offender’s register in Ireland and monitoring is a joke; at the best of going and with the best will of the Gardaí it is hit & miss. It is near impossible to enforce and easy for those who want to exploit it to do so.
    This law will not only tighten up monitoring and give parents access to accurate information but also encourage people to report suspicious activity

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    • Here is a question for you. What would you do if one of your children was on the register would you be so quick to look for this. Also what is your obsession with sex offenders you truly seem to be obsessed with them. If a person has done there time in prison and is released then they are a free citizen again and have paid there dept to society funny how people can continue to commit crime time and time again and nothing be done about it. What about people who have conviction after conviction you never seem to say anything about them. Also if you are going to bring in your Vigilante Charter well then it should apply to anyone who has committed a crime after all doesn’t it say the law is not allowed to discriminate and what about the family of the offender have you thought of them. Are you also going to be paying for any damages or bills that may occur when the vigilantes get hold of this

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    • You have not balanced anyone’s rights in fact you have violated them. This law is discriminatory as it only applies to one section. Why not apply this law to all who have committed a crime. As I asked before would you be so quick to ask for this if one of your children were on the register and are you going to answer to the families of offenders when they are shunned and run out.
      You say that there are provisions that people can not disclose any information they receive do you honestly think that is going to work and that you can prove that they did or didn’t say anything. Like anyone else who commits a crime once you leave prison after serving your sentence which is determined by a judge you are once again a free citizen.

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