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Oireachtas agenda: HSE changes, Garda cuts and fluoride in water

The funeral of Det Garda Adrian Donohoe means it’ll be a relatively quiet day in Leinster House.

Most municipal water services in Ireland are fluoridated - and David Norris isn't happy about it.
Most municipal water services in Ireland are fluoridated - and David Norris isn't happy about it.
Image: Water photo via Shutterstock

WHAT ARE OUR politicians doing in the halls of Leinster House?

TheJournal.ie lets you know with our guide to what’s coming up to the Dáil, Seanad and various Oireachtas committees today.

The funeral of Detective Garda Adrian Donohoe means both houses will adjourn for several hours as a mark of respect – so it’s a reasonably light morning.

DÁIL

The day begins with Leaders’ Questions at 9:30am, with the rest of the day’s agenda agreed from 10am before the house adjourns until 4pm.

It resumes at 4pm with Questions to Arts minister Jimmy Deenihan, with Topical Issues debated at 5:15pm and legislation to abolish the board of the HSE debated between 6pm and 7:30pm.

At 7:30pm, in what will certainly be a sombre mode, TDs will debate a motion from Fianna Fáil – tabled last week, before Det Garda Donohoe’s death – calling for the reversal of closures to Garda stations and the reopening of the Templemore training centre. A vote on that will be taken at 9pm.

The day’s Dáil business can all be viewed here.

SEANAD

Senators convene to discuss the day’s agenda at 9:30am, adjourning at 10:45am.

It reconvenes at 4pm to debate a motion from David Norris, asking the Minister for Health to investigate the fluoridation of water. At 6pm they’ll debate proposed amendments to the Spent Convictions Bill, which sees certain minor criminal offences written off the record after a certain period if someone has not reoffended since then.

The day’s Seanad business can all be viewed here.

COMMITTEES

Most of today’s meetings have either been deferred or postponed in light of Det Garda Donohoe’s funeral. Here’s the two that are continuing:

  • The Foreign Affairs committee meets at 5pm to hear from Martin Murray of Asia Matters on the role that the Department of Foreign Affairs can have inpromoting trade and stimulating Ireland’s economic recovery. (Watch here.)
  • The Public Service Oversight and Petitions committee meets at 4pm to elect its new chairman – with Sinn Féin’s Padraig Mac Loghlainn likely to get the gig, replacing partymate Peadar Tóibín – before going through another batch of the petitions it has received to date.

TheJournal.ie‘s one to watch

James Reilly is under the kosh at the moment – ridiculed by a Troika report and caught in the fire over his decision to fast-track hospital works in Kilkenny and Wexford, the home towns of two cabinet colleagues.

The introduction of legislation to abolish the board of the HSE – which has been in track since last June, and to which Reilly made appointments last December – could therefore provide yet another opportunity for opposition TDs to try and land a few blows on one of the cabinet’s more vulnerable performers.

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  • Derek 30/01/13 #

    For fluoride, I’d use the money spent on the mass fluoridation of our drinking water to subsidise the cost of mouthwash, sure you can argue the benefits of it to our teeth but that’s where it ends,orally. We then ingest the stuff every day of our lives. It’s not doing my teeth any good in my belly! So using it purely tropical I have no issue with in the form of toothpaste and mouthwash but don’t medicate me with the stuff.

    The long term effects of this have been blatantly ignored for too long and it would be nice to see an actual honest investigation and research into the harmful effects of a lifetime of daily consumption. The more water you drink the more you are poisoned by it. If Hitler used it to kill prisoners en masse I think there’s something suspicious about a government who will only take advise from totally pro fluoridation advocates at the head of the IDA on the matter and a social researcher Dr Paul Beirne from UCC who is quite focal and advises the continued addition of it to our drinking water.

    1 in 3 children now suffer some degree of fluorosis which is visible on teeth, this being a marker for how much fluoride is in our system.

    No medication has ever been proven to be safe that can be taken in uncontrolled dosages on a national scale and against their wishes. It’s absurd to even think about it.
    http://www.irelandagainstfluoridation.org/

    “For ten years successive Fianna Fail-led governments, ignoring clinical reservations by practising dentists and pan-European rejection of fluoridation, have allowed vested academic dental interests to control the debate about fluoridation in Ireland”

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  • I remember years ago before the Greens came to government I watched a current affairs program where John Gormley was passionately arguing against having fluoride in the water and saying it should be completely abolished due to effects on the body. Then when they were in government he never mentioned it again EVER! Anyone know why he U turned on this?

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  • Aisling Fitzgibbon is taking a case against the government to remove the chemical from the water supply.

    http://www.thegirlagainstfluoride.com/campaign/

    David Norris is a bit johnny come lately on this matter, how long has he been in the Seanad?

    If you are unsure about flouride – ask yourself; why would you need to ingest a medicine that only works topically?

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  • Andrew this article from the irish medical times says how fluoridation of our water increases the chances of getting cancer by around 20% and how the government has tried to cover it up. http://www.imt.ie/opinion/2012/11/lets-not-dilute-the-issue-of-our-water-fluoridation.html

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  • “Conspiracy nutjobs” ??? Way to dismiss people just because you THINK you have all the answers.Pity these 600 Scientists and Professionals disagree with you.

    http://www.naturalnews.com/022008_water_fluoride_fluoridation.html

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    • Ha! You quoted natural news as a reliable source – oh Christ, that’s adorable.

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    • Why don’t you download Declan Waugh’s report on Fluoride and start opening your eyes. The terms, conspiracy theorist, nut job, etc, are always the first clubs that are used against those who speak out against what is going on. Our nation has been robbed by the IMF and yet there are still fools who convince themselves that this is not happening.

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    • No David,I grabbed the first source I could find this morning.I could well post several more sources now but what would be the point? you would never read them,because you have already made your mind up and anybody that doesn’t think that way is a “conspiracy theorist” and “nutjobs” etc. This is a means to dismiss people and stifle debate.

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    • Yeah, see, I like my sources from actual peer reviewed studies and articles. Not pulled out of someone’s paranoid delusion. Cheers all the same.

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  • the nazis used fluoride in world war 2. it calcifies the pituitary gland in the brain.

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  • fluroid in our water is doing more harm than good!! we would do well to be rid of it!!

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    • Wait till they put lithium in our tap water they are trying hard to add lithium salts because we are all sad and killing or self

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    • Derek 30/01/13 #

      Proper insanity if I ever heard it. Self medicating yourself stupid due to thirst. If we all drank our recommended 9 glasses a day maybe they only need to get us to vote once in future!
      The damage fluoride does to the pituitary gland is irreversible, so every year of consuming tap water and produced items from soft drinks to tinned soup we are getting more than the “safe dose” and making us more docile and subservient, losing the will or motivation to question or fight authority.
      The Russians and Germans used it and had plans to use it through out Europe to keep the masses docile, The Aussie army and many others still heavily fluoridate water supplies.

      Natural calcium fluoride is insoluble and the body is able to filter it where as sodium fluoride its totally soluble and builds up in our bones and brains. There is no better rat poison than sodium fluoride and fluoride is a main component in Sarin and other neuro toxins, I G Farben who made Zyclon B for the Nazi’s made it as its a by toxic by-product from aluminium manufacturing. They pumped it in to the concecntration camps and army barracks to dumb down and make the occupants docile and easy to manage. Today they do the same thing with a lower dosage and still try sell the crap its good for children’s teeth, not adults.
      Christ even baby formula recommends not to use their products with fluoridated tap water. Many state it on their tins. Your poisoning your baby with the stuff, and to be continually endorsed by out Government is nothing short of criminal. To which each TD and “adviser” should be held legally liable for their continued use of it on an entire population against their wishes.
      Sick really thinking about it.

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  • If they stop fluoridating the water for some hippy propaganda that goes against scientific evidence ill be sending them their water charges less the receipt for fluoride tabs ill be buying and bring back from the US.

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    • The conspiracy nutjobbers really love the fluoride in the water stuff. It’d be great if some reputable scientists from UCD, TCD etc could put it to rest. They surely aren’t working for the CIA, FBi & co.

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    • It’s crazy… My other half in the USA had hippy parents and now needs several thousand euro of dental work.

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    • Conspiacy nutjobs eh… Tell you what,a team of water filtration engineers and a marine engineer along with teams of scientists that would differ but hey ho you know all about it.
      You want to slowly poison yourself and your children then work away,personally I am putting a triple pass filtration/purification system on the domestic line and “yes” I will pay water charges.

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    • I would think a pharmacologist, neurologist or biochemist would be the ones qualified to answer such a question rather than a ‘water filtration engineer’ or any kind of engineer come to think of it… Out of interests though did he sell you the extended life warrantee and service cover for your diamond level complete water integration system while he was at it?

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    • Scientific evidence??? It was an Irish bishop (McQuaid) that forced fluoride on the Irish population.

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    • @TFM

      Yo Regionald’s Tower, should you not be on some web page spewing israeli propaganda clap trap? Let me guess you’re now an expert on water fluoridation aswell as middle east politics?

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    • Actually Andrew now that you ask…..No,they didn’t and the system is designed by a marine engineer …myself.
      The water engineers hold PHD’s in bio chemestry and selling €200 systems is not quite their line.

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    • You might like to look at some medical and scientific data showing the dangers that fluoride poses to our health.

      http://www.independent.ie/national-news/fluoride-in-our-water-are-we-brushing-with-danger-381516.html
      written by an Irish dentist,

      http://www.nofluoride.com/

      The no floride.com site has links to research from a Swedish Medical Nobel Prize winner, Harvard University, Mount Sinai Medical Hospital, The American Dental Association, The American Medical Association, and UNICEF to mention just some of the “Hippies” who are concerned about this toxic substance. Ireland is now one of the only remaining countries to fluoridate its water supply.

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    • Yeah them conspiracy nuts at Harvard wanna stop drinking the Kool- aid.

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    • Andrew / Thomas

      Either you guys are not parents or are parents whose infant children are or were raised on breast milk. Otherwise you would know that water containing added fluoride should not be used, on health grounds, when making infant bottles using formulae. In other words the public water supplied in Ireland is medically dangerous to Irish infants.

      If you don’t believe me simply go to your nearest supermarket, pick up a box of baby formulae & read the instructions.

      Only one reason exists for companies that produce baby formulae tod place this product warning on their boxes. To protect them from legal action should parents use fluoridated water when making babies bottles!

      However as long as it is cheaper to add fluoride to public water supplies in Ireland, than actually doing things safely then the Irish authorities will continue using it.

      However you are free to continue believing what the authorities tell you and therefore continue to poison your children. My wife & I took the decision to believe the baby formulae companies, and stop poisoning our children.

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    • I feel I should point out that there is an equally powerful lobby that would call your wife a bad mother from not breastfeeding her kids…

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    • http://www.fluoridation.com/calgaryl.htm

      Dangers cited by chemistry professors, biochemists, MDs, Ph.Ds, and other scientific and medical professionals from a site that is for scientists and professionals opposed to fluoridation.

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    • Heres an article from the irish medical times that describes how fluoridation of our water increases your chances of getting cancer by.around 20% and how the government is covering it up. http://www.imt.ie/opinion/2012/11/lets-not-dilute-the-issue-of-our-water-fluoridation.html

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    • Toothbrush.

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    • Flouride in drinking water and toothpaste is an essential part of an effective dental hygiene routine. Poor dental hygiene increases your chance of heart disease by 70%(Scientific Ameriaca) … heart disease is the leading cause of death killing 30% of people vs. 12%. (World Health Organisation)

      Even if I believe those questionable stats you’resuggesting trading a 20% increase in contracting one disease for a 70% chance in contracting another that kills 250% as many people.

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    • What a childish comment Andrew, grow up

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    • There’s a saying… People grow out of being childish, but stupidity is forever

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    • Gum disease not tooth decay is strongly correlated with heart disease, fluoride only helps with cosmetic issues; tooth decay.

      There’s already enough of it in toothpaste, Ireland is one only of a few countries that fluoridates drinking water. It’s pointless adding it to drinking water.

      As for the negative Heath effects, Im sick of all the ludicrous claims made by the fringe anti-fluoride camp, now a ridiculous claim of a 20% increase in cancer?! Such claims only undermine wider support for the removal of fluoride from drinking water, reasonable people will stop listening at this point.

      Basically, there are minimum cosmetic or no benefits at all to fluoridating water, so why not remove it.

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    • Just quoting an example…. I don’t really expect it to prevent heart disease, it’s more the fact that you can loosly tie statistics to make whatever claim you like.

      If you visit an inner city area complience with toothbrushing and other preventitive dental care required to prevent gum disease is limited. Kids with terrible diets full of sugar and lacking calcium…. It’s exactly 50 times cheaper to throw harmless floride into the water to make their teeth a bit stronger than for the taxpayer to pay for the cavities and pulling of teeth. Without it we wouldn’t be able to fund public dental care for children period.

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    • Andrew

      Are you childish, stupid or are you just plain ignorant?

      There are a number of reasons women do not breastfeed.

      In my wife’s case, it was a pre-existing medical condition.

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