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People ‘should be grateful to Pope for handling abuse scandal’ – cardinal

Cardinal William Levada, pictured in 2009
Cardinal William Levada, pictured in 2009
Image: Domenico Stinellis/AP/Press Association Images

A SENIOR US cardinal as defended Pope Benedict’s handling of clerical abuse revelations, saying people should be thankful rather than criticising the pontiff.

Cardinal William Levada told a Vatican-backed conference on safeguarding children that Benedict had been “instrumental” in implementing standards to crack down on paedophile clergy, as well as supportive of US bishops’ efforts to fight the abuse.

Before becoming pontiff, Benedict held Levada’s job as the head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the church office responsible for  shaping the Holy See’s policies on handling abuse cases involving clergy.

As the symposium’s keynote opening speaker, Levada lamented that the pope “has had to suffer attacks by the media over these past years in various parts of the world when he should receive the gratitude of us all, in the Church and outside it.” The Vatican released copies of the speech.

SNAP, a US-based support and advocacy group for those abused as minors by clergy, was dismissive of the four-day, closed-door gathering.

“True change and child protection comes through accountability from secular authorities,” a SNAP official, Joelle Casteix, said in a statement. “Until we have that, we must see Rome’s meeting for exactly what it is: cheap window dressing.”

She contended the Vatican “still cannot do the simplest, cheapest, and most child-friendly action possible: Make public decades of secret files on clergy sex offenders and enablers.”

Marie Collins, who was raped as a teen by a priest in a Dublin hospital, will be speaking at the conference tomorrow. She urged Benedict last week to publicly seek forgiveness for church leaders who put loyalty to their institution ahead of safety of children.

Benedict, in a message sent to the symposium on his behalf, urged participants to “continue drawing on a wide range of expertise in order to promote throughout the church a vigorous culture of effective safeguarding and victim support.”

Levada last year urged all bishops conferences worldwide to develop guidelines for dealing with cases of sexual abuse of minors by clergy.

“Even those of us who have been dealing with this issue for decades recognize that we are still learning, and need to help each other find the best ways to help victims, protect children, and form the priests of today and tomorrow to be aware of this scourge and to eliminate it from the priesthood,” Levada told the symposium.

Cardinal Sean Brady is also attending the conference.

More: Pope must ask forgiveness from abuse victims, says survivor Marie Collins>

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Comments (109 Comments)

  • Burned Toast 06/02/12 #
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    Bring it.

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  • Begrudgy 06/02/12 #
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    Why do the church continue to come out with these statements. Shut up please. You are only making things worse.

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    • Mick Kenny 06/02/12 #
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      I think it just goes to show how disconnected the Vatican is from society. Lets not forget the roles he played before becoming pope. these statements just shows they must be on another planet.

    • Sean O'Keeffe 06/02/12 #
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      Levada must be using Enda Kenny’s PR advisors.

    • Ruaidhrí 07/02/12 #
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      I was sure this was going to be a satire piece from the Journal.ie’s own Cardinal….

      It’s unbelievable how out of touch these old men are. People should be grateful for them moving a priest to other parishes/dioceses and enabling further abuse of children? Maybe if they had made sure that these priests would never have access to children or gone to the police, like any normal person would have done, we could be grateful.

  • Melissa Knowles 06/02/12 #
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    People should be thankful. The pope has done a fantastic job of handling these scandals. A few rogue priests do some wrong and the whole of the clergy are punished. The people complaining about this need to move on and get a life. It’s over so shut up already!

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    • Karl Doyle 06/02/12 #
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      I highly doubt the suffering is over for the victims, I’d reckon they are traumatized for life.

    • Brian Daly 06/02/12 #
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      Are you having a laugh?

      If you are not trolling you are a sadly deluded person.

    • Thevoice Ofreason 06/02/12 #
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      It’s not over for the people who were raped and abused under the roman catholic churches watch. I’d say they would live to be able to just “move on and get a life”.

      And it’s the priest that’s talking about it so I don’t understand why you’re telling the people to shut up.

    • Holemaster 06/02/12 #
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      Wow. Are you an Iona plant? You clearly don’t know anyone who has been raped by a priest. I do. And he can’t maintain a relationship and will never marry or have kids. The man who raped him when he was 5 is still unpunished after the DPP threw out the case.

    • john g mcgrath 06/02/12 #
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      Unbelievable comment I am sure this must be a wind up if not it is somebody who is denial of a major issue.

    • Gerry Hannan 06/02/12 #
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      Unbelievable.

    • Helen Gallagher 06/02/12 #
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      I pity people like you Melissa, I could never live in a head that is as ignorant of peoples feelings.Educate yourself a little,maybe talk to some unfortunates that have been abused by these monsters. Maybe then you can move on.

    • Kevin Gallagher 06/02/12 #
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      I agree, the pope handled the scandels very well. Great shuffling around of said rogue priests. The Vatican until very recently has played a blinder staying ahead of the game.

    • Michael Cuthbert 06/02/12 #
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      “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edmund Burke

      Many clergy and nuns are struggling with this today, Melissa. If they had joined the struggle when they knew what was going on, things could have been so very different for those now damaged for life.

      If you are a Christian, reflect…

    • Paul Lanigan 06/02/12 #
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      Melissa has popped up before with these crazy deluded opinions. Definitely a troll

    • William Lankstead 06/02/12 #
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      Here Here!!

    • Dhakina's Sword 06/02/12 #
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      Oh, you are so wrong. The time is upon us, that us normal human beings are awakening to to the existence of you sub human predators that exist among us. Your inhuman lack of compassion, your lack of empathy, your callous disregard for the suffering of children is becoming increasingly clear. Our misguided belief that there was always some good in everybody is waning. To think that you can come on to a site like this, and gloat over the suffering of children, is quite frankly abhorrent. Your days are numbered!

    • Debbie Ennis 06/02/12 #
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      What exactly are we supposed to be thankful for melissa ???? As for a few rogue priests are you for bloody real a rogue is not a word I would use to describe these sadistic b**t**ds and furthermore a few rogues priests ???? More like thousands !!! Have you seen the papers in the last few days more of these sick f**k**s been exposed get a serious grip woman

    • Dave Harris 06/02/12 #
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      in Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion

      well that’d be you then ‘Melissa’

    • Debbie Ennis 06/02/12 #
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      Are you for real Melissa what exactly are we supposed to be thankful for ??? And rogue is not a word I would use to describe these sick sadistic b*****ds and as for a few doing wrong ??? More like thousands of the sick b*****ds you are totally deluded woman and need to get a grip !!! Shame on you and apolgies to any victim of those sick f**ks who may read this

    • William Lankstead 06/02/12 #
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      Looks like Melissa Knowles has stirred up something of a hornets nest there with her insensitive comments!

    • Bernadette Dunne 06/02/12 #
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      Delighted to know Melissa Knowles you have never suffered abuse by anyone and least of all by someone in the most trusted position in our society (one time) and who is to say what time(if ever ) it takes to get on with your life Only Folk who have gone true this Can and for those of us who have not to come out with such statements is a disgrace. Get off the podium shut up about a subject you have no idea about you lucky person, or support the people who are living the nightmare caused by the lies and deceit and cover ups for too long and Thanks to the Openness of these very brave people I was aware while my children were young and was able to educate them against such abusers and abuse THANK YOU ALL for bringing you awful horrific stories of your lives to the public You have save thousands of children from such a fate

    • SixOneReview 07/02/12 #
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      Take your trolling elsewhere MK.

      The quick tour of your comments:

      * On the “Magda” issue – “My boyfriend is from Eastern Europe and he and his friends laugh at how gullible the Irish are all the time. I have to say I agree with him. You can’t blame a person for taking advantage of a nations stupidity.”

      * On “Irish scientists make ‘important discovery’ on lung cancer” – “A great breakthrough, but will it ever be allowed to develop properly-as in lead to a cure? The fact is, the companies who develop drugs to prolong the lives of people will never allow a true cure to become available. It is a billion dollar industry and the continual treatment and search for advances in medicine makes a lot of people very rich. Also, if the people who die from cancer every year were allowed to live then the world would become so overpopulated it would be unsustainable. You are talking about tens of millions of people every year. I’ve lost more friends and family to cancer than most, but I sincerely doubt we will ever see a cure. Longer living with the disease is possible, but that’s the best we can hope for. And I’m not even sure that’s a good thing as longer living with cancer means longer suffering.”

      In summary:

      * People and systems get taken advantage of so disregard people and systems.

      * It’s up to big pharmaceutical companies to let us live or die with cancer and anyway what would we do if people survived cancer, where would we put them?

      These trolls lack humour / a proper understanding of trolling, so I can only assume you probably thought they were valid opinions. Though valid opinions need some facts and effective trolling needs facts to be effective.

      Trolling Example:

      Your twitter thumbnail lets everyone know that you will never look like an actor though you desperately want to.

    • Ally Collyer 07/02/12 #
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      Talking out of the back of her head again, methinks.

    • Rommel Burke 07/02/12 #
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      Can’t be arsed responding to more of your sick comments except to say please seek professional help.

    • Michael Cuthbert 07/02/12 #
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      Good to see the more abusive responses to Melissa were removed, particularly Dave O’Shea.

      SixOneReview: you make some good points. Could have found trollier material from Melissa than that, though. Seems she at least gave some thought to her comments about cancer, albeit controversial. It would be unkind to ignore her statement that she has lost family and friends to cancer.

      Melissa didn’t come back. Guess that’s classic troll activity?

    • Michael Cuthbert 07/02/12 #
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      Oh yeh. See it now. Reported for abuse. Not nice Dave. Rise above her man…

  • Stephanie Fleming 06/02/12 #
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    Good thing he’s American, that way I don’t have to learn another language just to insult him the myriad of ways that I’d like.

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  • Mensah Mensah 06/02/12 #
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    Omg…i hope that man can find sumtin better to tell the victims…be grateful to the pope?..is he having a laugh..as if that will heal the pain and suffering…

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  • Steph Duffy 06/02/12 #
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    I can’t say I’m surprised, selfish biggots!

    Oh and Melissa Knowles, you are clearly a troll, it’s you that needs to herbs life!

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    • William Lankstead 06/02/12 #
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      I wouldn’t be too hard on Melissa Knowles. Everyone is entitled to their opinions; even if in the judgement of the overwhelming majority she is wrong. Very wrong in fact, showing little understanding or sympathy for the victims.
      But nevertheless, she’s a right to express those opinions albeit misguided.

  • Aleo 06/02/12 #
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    Will Cardinal Levada be expressing any gratitude for the work of the late Mary Raftery, and others who helped expose the abusers?

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  • Holemaster 06/02/12 #
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    The Catholic Church has a lifespan longer than all generations for 2000 years. They don’t care what happens in one 50 year lifespan as long they come out of it one piece so they can rebuild their control over people’s fear, hope, and desire. They’re inhuman.

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  • Phili Kennedy 06/02/12 #
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    How do some people not see the obvious trolling in the comments on basically every story on every news site?

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  • Dhakina's Sword 06/02/12 #
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    “The the pope has had to suffer attacks from the media.?” Oh, Poor him. For what?. The media asking why the church was complicit in covering up child abuse?. How does that compare to the suffering of the victims of the very abuse that the church enabled?.
    It is becoming increasingly obvious that psychopathic individuals, or institutions, routinely blame their victims, or anyone daring to question their innocence, in order to distract from their guilt.

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    F f s, will someone pull the ostrich’s head out of the sand !

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    • Report this comment

      Pardon my ignorance but what is “trolling” ? Someone said Melissa was definitely a troll, is that someone who posts a stupid message to get attention

    • Christopher Kelly 06/02/12 #
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      @Falstaff, it is yeah, as far as I can tell but Melissa seems a bit special…. I’d say that description fits her in more ways than one

    • Nialllateshow 07/02/12 #
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      Just a PR stunt to make us believe they regret the past . They will never learn
      and I have no idea how the organisation has survived thus far . I’ll give it ten years !

  • Jimmy Cinders 06/02/12 #
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    The Church ,playing the long game as usual.

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  • Cian McAlone 06/02/12 #
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    All he said was the Pope is trying to solve the problem!? People using this as an excuse to rant about the Church.

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    • Bernadette Dunne 07/02/12 #
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      @Cian McAlone get a life or at least do not insult The Victims of such heinous assaults and rapes by ” The Most Respected and Feared ” of our society…. Come and make such a statement when you have walked in the shoes of Victims of Clerical abuse till then shut up

    • Cian McAlone 07/02/12 #
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      No need to get all personal. I didn’t say anything that should have provoked a reaction. I just said at least he’s trying to cut it out. Are you saying that he shouldn’t?

    • Rommel Burke 07/02/12 #
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      If he is serious about cutting it out, he can start by releasing every scrap of documentation, that the church holds relating to the abusers, to civil authorities.
      The reaction of SNAP to this, as quoted in the article, is spot on!

    • Cian McAlone 07/02/12 #
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      I agree. In order to move on, every criminal needs to be accounted for.

    • Mark Phillips 07/02/12 #
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      He said the Pope is trying to solve the problem, but he forget to mention he is doing too little and far too late. For example, the Pope reinstate Bishops / Cardinals who were personally involved in coverups of abuse. Cardinal Brady asked a kid to sign a pledge to God he would not tell of his abuse, yet the Pope deems him fit to keep his role.

      Saying something is one thing, doing something is a lot more difficult and this Pope has failed poorly in that regard.

    • Cian McAlone 07/02/12 #
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      Your right but at least it’s a step in the right direction.

    • Nialllateshow 07/02/12 #
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      Cian if all involved in cover up were brought to justice , I think there would be tumbleweeds across the gokd laced floors of the Vatican. Gods Rottweiler , Mr Ratzinger would be the first in the doc .

  • A.j. Baselice 06/02/12 #
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    Really, I would love to tell the pope in person how grateful I am, what a egotistical narcissist the pope is as he can ‘strut’ while sitting down!

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    Shut up William Levada with these statements and go tell your leader to wake up to the modern world and its ways.
    The pope wouldn’t suffer so many attacks if he was more open, modern, honest and if he stopped talking crap!

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  • Fiachra KME 06/02/12 #
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    If anything makes me angry its the Roman Catholic church- a corrupt and hypocrital that does nothing but seek to maintain its power. (and that is not taking away from belief in a higher power)

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    • Debbie Ennis 06/02/12 #
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      Well said I fear their deluded institution is running out of steam !!! Game over for the catholic church who claim to follow god ( don’t think so )

  • God's Horse 06/02/12 #
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    I too prefered it when the earth was flat. Great days boys, great days.

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  • Conor Black 06/02/12 #
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    Oh yes they should be, cos he handled it so…f#####g nutjobs the lot of them

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  • Malcolm Thomson 06/02/12 #
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    People ‘should be grateful to Pope for handling abuse scandal’ is a bit like saying…

    Those kids should be grateful the church found time to abuse them!

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  • Eileen Gabbett 06/02/12 #
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    I can understand that Cardinal William Levada has probably never heard of Mrs Brown or her boys ,but in response to his belief that the pope has always defended vulnerable children , Mrs Brown would no doubt say ‘That’s nice ! ……………

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    • Rommel Burke 07/02/12 #
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      new catchphrase Eileen? ;)

    • Eileen Gabbett 07/02/12 #
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      Absolutely , but just for this evening . I am rightly p***ed off with various stories and some posts so I have decided that just for tonight I will quote Mrs Brown and instead of being very rude and telling the powers that be to f**k off I will say That’s nice …. :) :)
      It has cheered me up some what!

  • my politics 07/02/12 #
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    Here’s an idea. Turn all the church’s into McDonald’s. It’s the lesser of the two evils.

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  • Barry Lynch 07/02/12 #
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    Don’t be fooled into thinking that Catholic priests are the only religious figures that have abused children.
    Muslims have been doing this too in their religious schools but unlike the Catholic Church, the hold Islam has on its followers has not been broken and many, many cases have not been reported through intimidation and the abusers have not been brought to justice.
    Do a google search for “Muslim child abuse” and see for yourself.
    I hope that in time, all religions lose their hold, and all victims of child abuse in religious institutions are able to get the justice they deserve.

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    • Kev Mak 07/02/12 #
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      A very true point of fact Barry, we get so wrapped up in our own well publisised church abuse cases we forget or dont realise this is happening within other religious sects.Until we get an honest man amongst all of this carnage who will stand up apologise and tell us an apology is not enough to excuse or go anyway in repairing what has been covered up by these so called religions ,then many dark days of secrets and cover-ups will continue.No well publicisied meetings ,which are closed to the outside world, will matter or convince people the church is making significant moves to be open to a real investigation.

    • Nialllateshow 07/02/12 #
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      Don’t try to deflect from the story that is on the table .

    • Denis kaye 07/02/12 #
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      Seriously mate, have you checked out who runs that site. In any event it has little relevance to the Irish context. Pointing the finger at others seems misplaced considering the content of the article. I haven’t heard the imams spitting this bile. It’s time for the church to go bye bye, it has been the single most damaging institution in the state.

    • Michael Cuthbert 07/02/12 #
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      Did you cut & paste that entry from another entry you cut & pasted from before Barry?

  • Ed Appleby 07/02/12 #
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    What a load of crap from yet another out of touch prince of the Rome, these muppets don’t have an iota of reality in their pompous heads, we should be grateful.. they should be grateful that most of the yellow streaked govt’s around the world including and especially the Irish govt. haven’t had the balls to lock up the complicit priests and cover up bishops and demand that the pope is brought before the International court of human rights to explain why he as ‘head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith’ for so many years didn’t do more to stop the abuses that he knew about, why he put priests before victims and why even now he won’t allow anyone to see the files that the Vatican holds in relation to probably thousands of pedophile priests worldwide. Levada should be down on his knees begging for forgiveness from the victims not spinning for his master back in his palace. Also the fact that Brady is there says all you need to know about this gathering of pedophiles and their protectors, maybe he’s there advising on how to stop young children going to the police to report rape by priests, how very pedo is that!

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  • John Shuster 07/02/12 #
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    Who is stupid enough to buy this self-serving junk? We’re talking about sex crimes against children by predators and their enablers. Stand them all in front of the judge.

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  • Byron Smith 07/02/12 #
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    total oddball

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    In fairness to Pope Benedict, he has done more than any Pope before him in fighting clerical child sex abuse. Does that say much though? That is the pertinent question…

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  • S P Mc Grath 07/02/12 #
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    Cian your spot on

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  • Tadhg Luby 07/02/12 #
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    The Church – Whether it’s the sound community priest you can have a pint with or the Pope himself, bottom-line is….. they believe in magic and they abstain from sex….well with other adults in-anyways. It’s complete lunacy, they’re borderline “mentalists”, And I wouldn’t let my hypothetical children near them.

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  • Joan Featherstone 07/02/12 #
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    They are sooo out of touch, why the f.ck are they even having this conference/meeting about paedo priests, any right thinking person don’t need advice on how to deal with this…simple, pick up the phone, alert the authorities, assist them wherever you can, and let the law take it from there! Wa.k.rs!

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  • Paul 07/02/12 #
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    Thank god I’m an atheist.

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  • Diarmaid Twomey 07/02/12 #
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    Just when you think they are after taking one step forward, some goon of a priest comes out with a statement like this and makes them take two steps back. The church in its entirety needs to be disbanded, and shown up for the wreckless, pathetic, backwards and quite frankly dangerous cult it is. They have no one to blame but themselves and to be honest and comments like his just cant be tolerated anymore, considering the gravity of the CRIMES they have committed. Anyone else would be in prison!

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  • gerry 07/02/12 #
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    I think this comment reminds me that the modern church still thinks its in charge when they should realise that the church should be there for our needs spiritually not us there for their leadership in spiritual matters

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  • Condulmer 07/02/12 #
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    The RCC is not the only one brainwashing it seems. The remarks mentioned in the above are formulaic, taken from the opening paragraphs of the speech. The journalist obviously didn’t read beyond them. It is interesting among lots of other things Levada said about cooperation with civil authorities…if you are interested …”Certainly no less important than any of the other elements, the cooperation of the Church with civil authorities in these cases recognizes the fundamental truth that the sexual abuse of minors is not only a crime in canon law, but is also a crime that violates criminal laws in most civil jurisdictions. Since civil laws vary from nation to nation, and the interaction between Church officials and civil authorities may be different from one nation to another, the manner in which this cooperation takes place will necessarily differ in various countries as well. The principle, however, must remain the same. The Church has an obligation to cooperate with the requirements of civil law regarding the reporting of such crimes to the appropriate authorities. Such cooperation naturally extends also to accusations of sexual abuse by religious or laity who work or volunteer in Church institutions and programs.”

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    • AlMar 07/02/12 #
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      You can always be guaranteed that whenever there’s an angle on the Church that the most unfavourable, controversial one will be chosen. The example you present here illustrates the point very well.
      I am as disgusted at abuse as anyone. I speak as a father of small children that would do ANYTHING to protect them. But I also recognise that Cardinal Ratzinger/Pope Benedict really is part of the solution and that the situation has been handled much better since 2001 when he was given more control of these issues. That is an historical fact despite perceptions to the contrary. Some may argue that it is too little, too late. But the fact remains that his entire pontificate has been about reform within the Church.

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    The clergy back the Pope same as the nazis supported Hitler..

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    • Condulmer 07/02/12 #
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      @joan: Can you explain what you mean? The Nazi regime and the RCC are often compared, but I can never understand what people mean?

    • Ed Appleby 08/02/12 #
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      Really Condulmer? You really can’t see the the comparisons, let me help you with the following clues: Dictator in charge, army of dogmatic black clad adherents, responsible for the deaths of millions in religious wars, pogroms, inquisitions, witch hunts, denial of contraception, ran concentration camps ie magdalene laundries, covered up crimes against children and women, the list goes on and on. What a cult!

  • Seán O' Dulaing 07/02/12 #
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    I hope you’ve got proof. That’s a serious allegation!

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  • bethehokies 07/02/12 #
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    Journal.ie… I am coming very close to visiting the local garda station as previously promised. Do not think I wont. Please remove all comments that could be construed as incitement.. Nazis indeed how do

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  • Tim Gallagher 07/02/12 #
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    Read all of the above again……. and when the horror of what clergy leaders like Cardinal William Levada allowed to happen sinks in, his comments are seen for what they are………………. garbage!!! Shame on you Cardinal.

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    • AlMar 07/02/12 #
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      Tim: Cardinal Levada was chosen for his role precisely because of his very reforming and effective handling of abuse cases in San Francisco where he was bishop.
      By all means criticise, but let us at least get our facts straight. Levada is not a part of the problem.

  • bethehokies 07/02/12 #
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    I wonder what Marie collins will have to say. She is addressing that xonference todat

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  • Raymond Laffan 07/02/12 #
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    What an egit people should be grateful after all the years of covering up moving paedophiles from one congregation to another and then covering up denying or obstructing justice all at the cost at the victims whose childhood has been destroyed vickers of Christ what a joke and now we should be grateful please go away and die

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  • Brian Rogan 07/02/12 #
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    Yeah yeah, pull the other one, April Fools Day isn’t till1st April ya know!

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  • Ciaran Haughton 07/02/12 #
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    @Almar im sorry but to suggest that ratzinger is a solution to anything is ludicrous. this is the man that not one month ago stateted that same sex marriage is ‘a threat to humanity!’ who else in the world would get away with saying such things apart from some crazy dictator? the guy also tried to proclaim hitler as an atheist when he calls himself a catholic and was doing to work of god in ‘mein kampf’. sorry but i cannot stand for this man getting any sort of praise him and his beliefs are rotten. God i hate religion!!

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    • AlMar 07/02/12 #
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      Ciaran:

      Nowhere is Pope Benedict’s speech to the diplomatic corps (I assume that’s the one you were referring to?) did he state that same sex marriage was a threat to humanity. Have you actually read the speech itself? Or did you just rely on faulty coverage of it?

      One simply cannot rely on media reports of the Vatican for an fair analysis. The coverage of Levada’s speech here on this site is massively faulty and creates a very mistaken impression. The same goes for pretty much everything said by Pope Benedict on pretty much any topic.

      For the record, in case you think the Church blames the media for its crisis, Pope Benedict’s policy has been to welcome media revelations of abuse precisely because they help the Church clean up its act. Oddly though, his comments praising the media on this issue never seem to get reported…

    • Ciaran Haughton 07/02/12 #
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      Quotes from transcript

      “pride of place goes to the family, based on the marriage of a man and a woman.”

      “This is not a simple social convention, but rather the fundamental cell of every society. Consequently, policies which undermine the family threaten human dignity and the future of humanity itself,” he said.

      Now are you going to tell me that’s not what he meant. You say on THIS issue the pope is a solution. This is one of the biggest problems with religion. For every one step in the right direction it takes 20 in the wrong direction.

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    How can the Pope solve the problem when the Pope is the problem???

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    • AlMar 07/02/12 #
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      On THIS issue, THIS Pope is very much the solution. He gets the problem and the need for reform much more than most others in the Church.
      Any fair reading of the record which contrasts the period before 2001 and the period after 2001 (when he assumed control of these cases) shows that.

  • Ian F. 07/02/12 #
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    F*ck that Cardinal, f*ck the Pope, and f*ck their false god that they don’t even believe in themselves. If you molest children, or support and protect those that do, then you can’t believe in the shit you preach, or you’d be off to hell when you die. I will rejoice when that cult is smashed, and it will happen. Hopefully within my lifetime. Blasphemy? Damn right. Deal with it.

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  • M 07/02/12 #
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    I think this sums up how I feel about the pope !!

    http://youtu.be/fHRDfut2Vx0

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  • Shanti Om 07/02/12 #
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    Quote:
    Benedict, in a message sent to the symposium on his behalf, urged participants to “continue drawing on a wide range of expertise in order to promote throughout the church a vigorous culture of effective safeguarding and victim support.”
    End quote.

    I find that last bit quite interesting.. Continuing, and effective safeguarding.. Safeguarding WHAT? The information they refuse to release? The perpetrators of abuse? Because that’s pretty much all they have done and the “continue” that precedes it would lead me to believe more of the same is the forecast..

    The most basic, moral and decent thing the Pope could have done would have been to start his term with an apology, some humility, and a steadfast conviction to root out every priest guilty of this heinous crime. And to be willing to fork out for the compensation in taking responsibility for people they allowed to work with children.

    He didn’t, if he’d done that, people would have been grateful, it may have gone some way toward restoring the reputation of the churches moral standing. Until he does that, and begs forgiveness on behalf of the church, he should expect no more than resentment from those who have been wronged and those who disagree with it.

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  • Shame Of Ireland 09/02/12 #
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    So we should be Grateful to the Pope for Covering up Abuse and protecting Abusers from Prosecution?? I think NOT!

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