Makes you wonder who might actually be behind this doesn’t it? I guess asking who might expect to gain from the publicity would be a good place to start.

Seems very suspect

Stranger and stranger. Come Here to Me Facebook page had a picture from 13th Feb of the Herald stuck to the front of 60a – 6 days before YD say this happened. Bit of a Reichstag fire whiff to this story

you lads are that sad and hateful that you couldn’t even think it possible the pro abortion mob would do something like this! ha enjoy life inside your little progressive bubble where only right wingers are capable of bad form! muppets.

We pro-choicers are indeed one big hive mind. I was thrilled when this idea was telepathically broadcast into my mind last week. As one every citizen of pro-choice leanings decided this was an amazing idea, and so it went ahead. And just FYI – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_mrNQBLSMU

if this happened at a ‘pro abortion’ office,
i wonder would “you wonder who might actually be behind this” ??

somehow – i don’t think so !!!

AFAIK most abortion rights groups in Ireland don’t actually have HQs, let alone a massive building in Dublin city centre. Goodness me, where do they find the money!

Probably from ordinary citizens who are concerned with issues of human rights. It doesn’t cost that much to rent an office.

There’s definitely big money behind the so called pro-life campaign. They are paying facebook astronomical amounts of money to push their petition onto every Irish facebook newsfeed. Surveys/polls aren’t cheap to produce either. Out of interest, who are the people they polled? Fianna Gael supporters? Or a random cross-section of Irish Society, urban and rural? Am just about to read that particular article which may answer that question for me.

People trying to save animals have head offices so why not those trying to save babie humans, are we not worth it!?

#baby

I know, person who disliked my comment, that was terrible spelling and grammar, I’m glad you too agree with me, kudos to you my friend!

A building like that to rent in the city isnt going to be cheap.

How convenient!!

The pro-aborts will stoop to any level, nothing surprises me next it will be arson. This just proves their disregard for human life in general. The Gardai are viewing footage caught on camera & hopefully these disturb fools will be locked away.

Looks like pro-abortions are loosing their grip with this dirty protest, because of the recent polls going against them. They will probably do the same filth in Mountjoy when they get there too.

I’m pro choice all the way. And I disagree wholeheartedly with nearly everything they stand for but this is a disgrace. Hope the Gardaí catch whoever did it.

Whats strange, the same sickos did a trial run only second time they went to the bother of collecting their own excrement. Digusting. Savita would be so proud. Also CCTV footage should clarify who, if it was prolifers YD would not be handing in this footage.

Marion if you’d like I can send you a series if links to Instance of arson attacks on sexual health clinics as well as their patients and staff by “prolife” people if you like.

Well said.

Well said indeed

Personally I wouldn’t be into torture; personally, I wouldn’t be into child abuse; personally I wouldn’t be into capital punishment……..!!!

Get a grip.

People continue to steal & rob perhaps if we decriminalize it they are less likely to shoot Gardai or post office workers & tie elderly people to chairs leaving them to die.

Yes Marion, because any woman who has an abortion is definitely exactly the same a person who gets a gun, goes out with a means to use it and shoot a guard.

Make sure you don’t stop to think about how it may be the most difficult decision a woman has to make, how it many be in response to a terrible act like the rape of a child by her father, that it may be necessary because the child would not survive outside of the womb or because the woman needs treatment to save her own life or any of the countless other scenarios that have prompted the women you see around you every day to leave this country and make the solitary journey across to England only to return and have to keep their ordeal a secret from people like you who will judge them.

You have a disgusting opinion of your own fellow woman.

And that car thief has no right to a womans body, kinda like a foetus.

I’d say they’re full of sh!t!

The poo plot thickens.

Not all pro lifers were at the candlelight vigil.

Whether you like it or not the pro life lobby has it’s own share of headbangers just like every other organisation.

Sorry, should say pro choice not pro life.

Senility is a terrible thing!

So you claim that the majority of the country is pro-choice, but none of those 2 million+ people would do this? You feel qualified to comment on the character of over two million people?

Your closed-minded hypocricy astounds me.

But JayK – you believe that you are qualified to comment on the individual situations of any woman in Ireland who has ever wanted or ever had an abortion?

Your close-minded hypocrisy astounds me.

CABK, point out to me where commented “on the individual situations of any woman in Ireland who has ever wanted or ever had an abortion”?

Or are you just fabricating stuff up, because you’re incapable of forming a valid, independent thought?

That’s what I suspected.

I don’t really understand why you asked me a question, then in the same comment seemed to decide on what the answer to that question would be and then say that’s what you suspected…… What makes you think you can speak for my character?

Its quite simple to see that you are of the ‘pro life’ side of the debate over abortion given your remarks about how the pro choice side are ‘claiming’ that the majority of people are pro life – ie heavily indicating that you do not agree. ( this is also clear from your other comments on this thread)

If you are pro life then you do not believe in women can make their own decision regarding abortion – you instead feel that a blanket no should be applied to the individual situations of any woman who has had or wanted to have an abortion as I stated.

(in case this still isn’t clear to you, if you believe women should not be able to make their own decisions regarding abortion then you are effectively commenting that regardless of their individual situation you feel qualified to say they cannot have an abortion).

Again, your close minded hypocrisy astounds me.

I don’t have a position, I’m simply pointing out idiocy when I see it, and these comments are awash with idiocy. Having to respond to my unquestionably comment by defeating an imaginary argument I didn’t make proves to me that you are, in fact, an idiot.

” you do not believe in women can make their own decision regarding abortion – you instead feel that a blanket no should be applied to the individual situations of any woman who has had or wanted to have an abortion as I stated.”

… in a reply to a comment about some petty vandalism. Oh yes, I see now why the Youth Defense smeared feces on their own walls. You’ve made me see the light. Idiot.

Also, “you’re a hypocrite” – “no YOU’RE A HYPOCRITE” is the argumentative maneuver of a junior infant. Well done.

I have never heard of pro-life activists using excrement on an image of a dead person anywhere.

Unless you count the fertilizer they used to bomb abortion clinics.

David Jordan – The Irish Independent had pay-out allot in damages in the High court to someone in Youth defense(after a long drawn-out court battle) for comments ‘just like yours’. I hope you are not trying to sabotage the journal.ie

No, but anti-choicers do level abortion clinics to the ground with fertilizer bombs. Do you see me painting all anti-choicers with that accusation? No, cos it’s a small minority of extremists who do this sort of things.

Is any part of of what I’ve said untrue? Pro-lifer have previously bombed abortion clinics with the sole intent to murder as many of the staff and patients as possible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence
And I never said those pro-lifers had anything to do with you or Youth Defense but if you want to think I’ve libeled you or Youth Defense then go ahead and sue me, because even the most incompetant barrister in Ireland would have his legal fees payed by you if you did. Though I’d dough you’d be brave enough to do that, you can hind behind a fake profile in a tort case.
You seen to like to saber rattle about police action or court cases Sparx1, I wonder if you’re familier with the laws about making a false report and obstruction of justice (wasting garda time), Youth Defense look as if they’re about to fall foul of them.

What about pro-life activists who have being murdered eg. Michigan 2009 or hospitalized with vandalized homes eg. July 2012 by pro-aborts? They don’t matter so let us turn a blindeye to that one.

Actually Marion that’s very wrong too. Perhaps you’d care to acknowledge that the murders listed above are not representative of all pro-life people and then recognise that the attacks you mention are also not representative of all pro-choice people.

I also note that the activist you mention was murdered by someone who killed another person that day too (who was not a pro-life activist) and that the motive for the murders is unknown. I have no idea if this person was targeted because of his opinion on abortion but I think it’s quite obvious why clinics providing abortion services are bombed.

I wonder who gave your evidence of “dirty tricks” the thumbs down Amy?

Perhaps you should ask the journalists as to why they hadn’t caught wind of the story earlier.

Perhaps you should ask why Youth Defence didn’t put out a press release earlier?

How do you know if YD didn’t release this incident to the press, after all the pro-aborts in the media have a tendency of being selective when reporting crimes. Crimes that puts a bad image on their abortion agenda wouldn’t be helpful.

Because they have a page of their press releases and it’s not it Marion. That’s how I know. And if the media is so biased why does this article even exist? The cry of media bias is truly pathetic.

I know we haven’t seen eye to eye in the past Diarmaid but on this I agree with you 100%

Rubbish all of their spokeswomen over the past 20 years have had degrees and careers and also to look after our children full time is an extremely important task , plus it has never said it want anything outlawed except abortion. You should really argue about abortion instead of trying to demonize people. But then again when we actually look at what exactly happens in an abortion , who would want to argue about ripping a child apart limb from limb, as one abortionist put it.

Fionnuala you appear to have a very poor understanding of how abortions are actually carried out. Also if YD only call for band on abortion could you please explain Niamh Uí Bhriain’s article opposing same sex civil partnership and same sex parents in the October 2009 issue of Solas, the magazine published by YD? Could you also explain their links to school textbooks promoting abstinence and speaking against contraception?

Perhaps Fionnuala objects to DNCs being carried out.. That’s the only thing you could remotely call “ripping limb from limb”, and that is standard procedure with normal miscarriages that haven’t completed too.. Perhaps she would rather an incomplete miscarriage be left in the uterus?

I wholeheartedly agree

Yeah, whatever suits you MUST best be true

Maybe not a recognised pro-choice group Petr, but there are extreme people on BOTH sides. If it is was done to the office of the pro-abortionists would you be suggesting it was themselves who did it ?

I’m familiar with the groups involved and I know the kind of actions they take. This ain’t it.

“pro-abortionists”?? Clear off!

CCTV will hopefully find the culprits, could be much closer to home

Ridiculous assertion. It’s amazing pro-choice advocates will entertain such delusions. Normally that’s reserved for the religiois folk but they’re on the other side this time.

Sorry Petr, i meant no offence in my wording but is pro- choice not pro- abortion?

Here we go again – the hint is in the words – pro choice is precisely I that – in favour of choose – allowing individuals to decide for themselves – granted its a concept alien to Youth Defence and its apologists.

No Eimear, it’s not.

In fairness this doesn’t sound like the actions of a side that’s clearly winning the debate. Tho I’ll admit my own bias might be affecting my judgement. I think most on the prochoice side recognise that the best way to counter Youth Defence is to remain quiet and let them talk away to their hearts content.

Eimear, please go back under the rock of your local church where you came from! To me these people are just looking for attention! Awh look at poor us with all of our money!

No Eimear, pro-choice is not pro-abortion. It’s pro-choice. See – CHOICE. As in pro-whatever the choice the woman makes and pro all the facilities, help and support she needs to act on that choice, no matter what it is.

The pro choice crowd are showing their true colours. What a cowardly attack this is. But cowardly attacks on the innocent are what they specialise in.

If this is representative of all pro-choice people then the murders of the following people are representative of pro-life campaigners – Dr. David Gunn (1993), Dr. John Britton, James Barrett, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols (1994), Robert Sanderson and Dr. Barnett Slepian (1998), Steven Rogers (2001), Dr. George Tiller (2009). Those are murders only and exclude kidnappings, bombing, arson, theft and attempted murder at the homes of the “targets” of pro-life campaigns.

Now can we all agree the actions of some individuals are not representative of all of those who agree with their stance on whether or not abortion should be legal?

Trawl some of the pro-choice sites and you will soon see that they’re not all sweetness and light. It’s a bit naive to presume that there wouldn’t be individuals who would engage in such behaviour. Before some of the Pro-Life Rallies here were plenty of scary threats being thrown about.

Who is showing faith in a story. If anything we are show scepticism of the story as it is presented. Our views will change in line with evidence, if prolife could say the same then there’d hardly be a debate to be had.

You’re showing faith in the theory that they smeared sh!t on their own building

As for scepticism, would a vandalised abortion clinic be treated with the same scepticism? Or a woman who claimed that her contraception failed? I don’t think so

No I’m not read my initial comment again. Most people here are simply wondering what any prochoicer would think this would achieve. The abortion clinic is different. Picketing and graffiti-ing an abortion clinic is an attempt to shame and embarrass those that use it. There is a logical aim to it even if I don’t agree with it as a tactic. This attack I don’t agree with and not can I see any achievable aim in it from a prochoice side. Therefore I am sceptical.

@Eimear No offence taken at all. Just think it should always be the woman’s choice.

Hey Petr, presumably you think this woman did nothing wrong?

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-19621675

Ciaran, read MY initial comment again. It wasnt directed at you it was directed at all the pro-abotion types who are suddenly discovering their cynical side

As for there being no motive for this; the motive you outlined (shaming the people inside) is just as likely here but there’s also good old fashioned hatred

Now now we’ve be addressing each other for the last while now. And I didn’t say shaming the people inside. I said shaming the people trying to use the clinic.

The difference between me and you is that I’ve already accepted you may well be right.

I can’t be right because I haven’t expressed a belief either way

Either have I. It could easily be one of the ‘I don’t knows’ stirring the shit…

If you say so it must be true. You are a fountain of knowledge and an all seeing eye. Your words of wisdom and truth are widely respected and adhered to. Oh mighty one…… you egotistical pompous spoofing know all.

@PETR

Pro-choice is not pro-abortion. It is pro CHOICE as in giving a woman the right to choose what happens to her body.

Thanks for the reply, Petr

Youth defence are vicious thugs.

I agree fully with your point, but the use of the word ‘smear’ conjured up some nasty mental imagery given the context…

Well these people don’t have much imagination, so they haven’t been very inventive in their smear campaign. They only understand smear in its literal sense. They should stick to what they are best at, robocalls.

@ Dave Gaughran
correct Dave.
all of those ‘pro abortion’ people are so nice & respectful,
they would never do anything like this.

Ah I see what they are at. There was an incident on the 13th of February were pages from an article on Savita were taped to the shutters of the pro-life offices. The pages have now reappeared with faeces added to them for effect. I wouldn’t be surprised if they then hand over the cctv footage from the 13th of Feb to the guards.

Or a very cunning way to make it look like its an inside job. They attack the pro life offices and deliberately stage the attack to make it look very suspicious… as if it was the pro lifers themselves.

I fully agree Tom, -
For the many ‘pro choice’ commenters here, suggesting that Youth defence vandalised their own offices,
– I think it just says more, about their OWN sad mentality than anything else.

The pro-aborts don’t care about Savita she died from a strain of blood poison that was immune to antibiotics they just twist everything to accommodate their anti-life agenda further, it should be of no shock that human faeces were used in the attack, pro-aborts have no respect for human life so therefore it would be a miracle if they respected other peoples properties.

You appear to have read a report no-one else has. Where has this antibiotic resistant infection nonsense come from? Anti-life agenda my arse.

“How dare anyone attempt to take away anyone else’s right to decide what’s best for them”

Like by killing them?

Chuck if you want to believe an embryo is a baby more power to you. Having such a blatant disregard for reality must be like being on some great hallucinogenic.

So, abortion on demand up until labour then? Or do you draw a line at some other point when you yourself “want to believe” life begins?

I don’t “want to believe” anything. I believe something or I don’t, simple as. My belief is dependant on the evidence available. As for when abortions should have a cut off point, I believe I am not in a position to say. I believe that is a question for a woman and her medical professional. It is none of my business, just as it is none of yours.

What I do believe is that a fertilised ovum is not a baby. I believe this because the Royal College of Obstetrics and Gynaecology came to that conclusion (the report is freely available online). As I am sure you agree, they are more qualified to speak on this matter than you or me.

So, in other words, no legal restrictions on abortion whatsoever? Google “Sarah Catt”, you’ll find her story inspiring

By the way, I was quoting you

@ Sam O’linger:
great logic, Sam,
& if you disagree with murder, don’t murder anyone ??

If you don’t want a slave don’t have one, if you don’t want to sexually abuse a minor then don’t do it, if you don’t want to shoot your neighbour don’t, but everybody is entitled to a personal choice? What a doze of bull to defend those who favour choosing ripping a child limb by limb or being injected with a saline solution.

Again Marion you’re demonstrating very little knowledge of how the vast majority of abortions are performed. Lastly I’ll point out that if your neighbour has no right to live off your body without your consent, why does a foetus have that right?

Michael the Toole

Amazing! How about this: if you don’t like the colour red, criminalise it!

Oh, you have evidence for that? I’ve seen some very nasty comments on facebook pages and else where about pro-life people that bordered on incitement to hatred so it’s not outside the bounds of possibility that someone would go a step further and perform this vile action.

As revolting as the poisoning/suction/flushing or whatever method you prefer to abort a baby that the pro abortion lobby support?

Foetus/embryo/zygote. Not baby.

It is what it is. You can call it a cauliflower if you want. The word you choose doesn’t affect the extant object you’re referring to.

As far as the theory that this was an inside job by Youth Defence, that’s the quenching of the last sliver of sanity in theJournal pro-choice comments. It’s been reduced to the delusional ranting of a paranoid schizophrenic.

Of course, there’s still a strong argument to be made by pro-choice proponents. Just like there’s a strong argument to be made by the pro-lifers. This is despite the brainless proselytic circlejerks on both sides. Youth defence on one side, TheJournal commentators on the other.

Tell that to a woman who’s just miscarried Conor. It’ll cheer her up no end

Conor Farrell – You are just a clump of cell yourself ! I wonder do you think you have a right to life ???

I don’t like abortion as much as you guys, but at least I have the common decency and logic to accept that because the abortion issue is so morally ambiguous, women have the right to choose their own morality, and not have it forced down their necks.

That’s pro-choice, lads.

Chuck, that’s a strawman argument. I said nothing about women who’ve miscarried, but I have no doubt that miscarrying when you want to have a baby is a horrible and traumatic experience. It doesn’t change the fact that it’s still a foetus or an embryo.

Sparxz1, yes I am a bunch of cells. But I am also a person. A zygote, just like a fingernail clipping, isn’t.

Hi, Chuck! I used foetus as the word for my early miscarriage, but it seems that you only think the opinions of women as to what’s inside their body counts if they agree with you.

Hi Nick! It seems you are doing exactly what you accuse me of

And Conor, why don’t you go console some women with that line of thinking so?

Chuck, what makes you think I don’t?

Oh wait, you’re trying to undermine my argument by making comments about my character. Very well played! You could write a book about fallacies.

Because no one pro-choice would ever do anything tasteless. Everyone who agrees with me are always clever, considerate and mature.

Where as all those people who disagree with me, they’re mean, heartless disgusting monsters. They’re the only one’s who do bad things. Including convoluted schemes to alter public perceptions on reproductive rights by smearing fecaes on their own walls like an R-rated Scooby Doo villain.

You are literally displaying the intellect of bickering 11 year olds.

very true Jay K,
‘Pro choice’ people consider themselves such models of rationality & enlightment, while everyone else is living in the dark ages!
Not necessarily the case!
Iv’e seen some ‘pro choice’ websites, & have been shocked by the sheer toxic hatred of some of the comments.

Detract from pro choice is it? Shur ye guys can’t even admit to call your cause by its proper name…. Pro abortion

Pro-choice is the accurate term. I don’t consider myself especially pro-marriage, but certainly I think anyone who chooses to get married should be allowed to. Simples.

Eric I firmly believe it’s time you and that sick church keep away from the lives of women, gays and children.

Very poor analogy petr, marriage does not result in the direct killing of a life, abortion does. When something is wrong it should be banned, or at the very least restricted, is there anything worse than the deliberate murder of an individual life?

Keith, just cos I disagree with abortion does not make me religious, that’s one of the key flaws of the pro abortion lobby, they incorrectly assume that only religious zealots care about the killing of an unborn baby.

Many ‘normal’ people think that abortion is a disgrace disgusting action and most people see through the attempts to distract from the actual abortion by talking about choice, foetus and such generic terms.

Since you’re so worried about loss of life, I’m sure you’re vegetarian too, eric nelligan?

So you do have an opinion then

It’s more of an observation. Malice spawns malice.

Unless the malice is directed towards abortion campaigners

The choice to abort is pro-abortion, an abortion procedure cures nothing nor saves a woman’s life but to those who favour the choice to abort it is acceptable if women die from so-called safe legal abortion the most recent case just over a week ago in the US Ms. Mckenna Morbelli, Tonya Reaves, Jessie Mae Barlow ……………….12 women per annum die in the states. Lancaster 3801 the abortion mill of horror none of the females who filled out the abortion forms chose what happened there.

This is why it’s called pro-choice Marion. Anybody who is pro-choice is just as angry at anyone being forced into an abortion as someone who is “pro-life”. And perhaps one could say that making the choice to have an abortion is “pro-abortion” but it is in those circumstances, their circumstances and it was their choice. Pro-choice is pro-adoption, pro-keeping the baby, pro-life, pro-adequate healthcare, pro-child benefit, pro-paternity and maternity leave and pro-termination, whatever the choice she makes is, they are pro-that. Far, far more women die in childbirth than do as a result of abortion. Less than one in 100,000 women die due to complications of an abortion compared to 12 women in 100,000 due to complications of pregnancy in Ireland.

It’s also worth noting that medical abortions are by far the safest option yet Ireland’s ban on abortion means women seeking one must resort to a surgical abortion which is a (very slightly) riskier procedure.

Whoever did it and for whatever reason it is completely unacceptable.
I do hope some CCTV can be found and whomever is responsible will be dealt with accordingly.

Yes I agree, it is disgusting to desecrate the memory of Savita like that!

Agreed wholeheartedly. It’s disgusting and makes me sick to my stomach. My sympathies are with her family upon hearing that someone was so callous to her memory.

Yeah sure you knew her so well…

Sure the lad in your pic is responsible for loads of murders by refusing condoms among followers with AID’s etc.

Nobody wants to legalize baby murder. Ad hominem.

Nice avatar king of the peados thought u cared about children

John Burrorws…

Yes, yes, and yes again. The advocates of baby murder are here accusing us of smearing faeces on our own premises. They judge us by their own low standards. We will not take this lying down.

Advocates of baby murder indeed. If abortion is baby murder then 150,000 Irish women are guilty of it. Why do you have to say to these women? Our fellow citizens, our friends, cousins, aunts, sisters, wives and more? What would you say to them? To their faces?

Ever think maybe it was Youth Defense?

It was an inside job by Youth Defense as an excuse to invade Iraq. They’ve alse been spreading chemtrails from their placards.

Petr Tarasov – So is that what you want us to think then. You give yourself away. Don’t be surprised if the gardai turn up at your door, bring you to a garda station, where a doctor with very thick rubber gloves is waiting for you, to take some samples from you. Maybe you are hiding something(?), and will end up getting a proctology examination also(you’d deserve it, but sadly probably enjoy it).

Sparx, given the nature of the story – is that last comment not in poor taste?

The bit about him being raped by the Gardaí Shanti? I’d say that’s in poor taste (to put it mildly) no matter what the context.

If you can prove it, I’m sure they’ll all retract their statements

Typical aggressive comment from YD extremist.

Usual “burly males”? Oh please, I’ve been involved in prochoice activism for about a year now (since you started that ad campaign last year, nice work galvanising the prochoice movement btw) and the majority of people I have come to know have been women.

Lets not stereotype people on either side of the fence or you’re likely to be lumped in with the extremely aggressive guy with the loudspeaker outside the GPO.

Pro-aborts don’t base their arguments on evidence to defend abortion but stoop to accuse people so don’t expect them to depend on evidence in relation to this crime.

Care to elaborate Marion? What facts? Like the fact that abortion is statistically safer than childbirth? Like the fact that more than 4,000 women travel to the UK from Ireland a year for abortions? Or the fact that in 2011 37 of them were under 16? Or that in 2010 nine of them were impregnated as a result of rape? Or the fact that pregnant women are the only citizens denied the right to bodily integrity?

Yes, it does make sense. Make the other side looks bad; a ploy that’s as old as the hills.

Evidence in never the forte of pro-aborts.

Says the girl who has yet to reference anything to support her arguments…

Youth Defence / Abort 67 et al use photos of late term miscarriages, which is unrepresentative of the reality of abortion.
According to the UK government 91% of abortions in the UK & Wales happen before week 13, at which point the embryo is not even 1 inch long and could be mistaken for a clot of blood in the period.

Would you not agree that this is a little dishonest?

No one thinks that abortions are inherently great things, but some of us realise that making them illegal just makes them unsafe – it doesn’t affect how many occur. If a woman doesn’t want to be pregnant she will do anything she can to end it, and sadly this can be fatal to her too.

We would all prefer a world where abortion was something no one ever felt that they had to do, but that is a sort of utopia we may only dream of. In the meantime we need to be realistic and accept that women’s safety is important.

Shanti you just summed it up perfectly. Pro-choice doesn’t mean pro-abortion, just as anti-choice doesn’t mean pro-life.

You think that even with a referendum the pro-lifers would shut up?

I green thumbed you by mistake, but because you want yet another referendum I should have red thumbed you!
We don’t need another referendum but I agree that the government should get their finger out and setle this once and for all.
The defacement of Savita’s photograph is disgusting and in fact seems more in line with the MO and tactics of the anti-abortion people.

That comment was for last lenore.

The last thing pro-abortions need is a fair democratic referendum. Did you not hear that the gov got it’s nuckels rapped for spending public money on one-sided publicity in referendums(also known as cheating and criminal activity) ! Have you been living in a cave for the last 6 months ?

Have you been living in a cave since 1992? Because we’ve had two referendums on this – both proposing to further restrict abortion access, both defeated.

The point here is that the YD press release implies that this was done by an organised pro-choice group or lobbying organisation. I very much resent this implication. It was a despicable act and I honestly think that it was so despicable that nobody can think of anyone who would stoop low enough to do this, or anyone who would think that this would accomplish anything. The only follow through people have is that the only gain to be had from this is the damage of the reputation of pro-choice groups by accusations of vandalism and that YD are clearly trying to make those gains AND that given the past behaviours of YD members (which have landed them in court more than once) that it is possible they would stoop this low.

I don’t think that’s the only possibility but imo the likelihood is that it’s either them or a very distressed, very disturbed individual who did this.

If your talking about “bully boy tactics ” you just need to look at the pro-life campaign in which they show pictures of dead children a dead fetus cover in blood with slogans underneath the image. that is what you call “bully boy tactics”

Name one pro-choice campaign in Ireland that has engaged in “fascist bully boy tactics”. Just one. Because it was Youth Defence members in court for harassing IFPA staff, not members of Choice Ireland.

No jack that is simply reality. Just like a box of cigarettes has a photo of cancer-ridden lungs on the front, the “user” must be fully informed as to what they’re letting themselves into. Pro-choice people who are offended by this are hiding from the truth. And you know it.

Andrew, 91% of abortions are no different to a natural first trimester miscarriage, ie – it’s a heavy period, with nothing particularly identifiable in it (unless you really search for it). The pictures displayed by anti choice protesters are of late term miscarriages which at best would be vaguely similar to 9% or less of all abortions carried out in the UK.

That’s why they are considered misleading.

Well said Andrew. Very well said. The pro aborts refuse to show what product it is they are selling. Using bully boy tactics, calling themselves opened minded and democratic when they are anything but because they are quite happy to allow the government to change legislation without the people’s say or taking it to a referendum and to force legislation upon a people who don’t want that legislation anyway.

Stephen, you *actually* have no idea what you’re talking about.

Legislation isn’t being changed, because there is none. There was a referendum; two, in fact.

@shanti. Oh look Andrew this is how you kill a child it’s very easy and quick like a period. There’s nothing really there unless you search for it, so just don’t look and bury your head in the sand. Shove your fingers into your ears and try to drown your conscience that has just told you you murdered a child.

Life begins from the moment of conception, even the torturer performing the abortion knows that. So please complete the sentence shanti…..it’s ok to kill a child when,……..

Oh yes there is legislation and that legislation is for the protection of the unborn. In order to kill children, the pro aborts must first change that piece of legislation. Have you never actually read the Irish constitution?

Stephen — I need a shower after reading that comment.

Stephen.
As a woman who has had miscarriages I can assure you, it’s the exact same as having a particularly heavy period.

And my comment referred to the dishonesty of shoving images of late term abortions in people’s faces to insinuate it is representative of the whole. But by all means, keep beating that straw man..

A straw man, eh? Like all those pregnant 12 year old rape victims that keep being mentioned?

No not always.

Stephen, the Constitution is not legislation. Jeez! Again, you haven’t a clue what you’re talking about!

1. Legislation and the constitution are two different things.
2. Irish abortion legislation dates back to the 1800’s. it’s hardly current.

There is so much wrong in what you’re saying I don’t even know where to start.

I don’t know a single person who is pro-abortion. I know plenty who think women should be allowed to choose for themselves whether or not they want to go through with a pregnancy though. Pro-choice. Your bleats of persecution are so far off the mark and really just complete drama queen tactics.

You’re quite right to assert that the pro-choice side are hostile to the ‘pro-life’ cause; a level of hostility is natural in such an emotionally-charged debate. You are wrong, however, to casually associate all pro-choice people with this sick act. I can assure you most would condemn it and this thread is some proof of that.

Stephen you are rather good at this trolling. You do more damage to the sides you preach for. Perhaps that’s your intention ;)

YD and the likes are not pro-life. How many more tragic cases of women dying unnecessarily do we have to have before you people drop that tag? You are anti-choice, simple. You would be more comfortable in a right-wing, fascist, dictatorship. Ireland isn’t run by the Roman Catholic Church anymore. Thankfully.

Oh you mean evil as in the murders of pro-choice activists and doctors, and the use of fertiliser bombs to flatten abortion clinics?

The most endearing thing about Stephen is that he is not a troll. Makes me so very happy he’s on the team supporting the right not to choose, the right to vilify homosexuals and of course the right to chain your partner to the kitchen sink.

So very very happy to see you Stephen. You represent one of a varied selection of garden variety religious nut jobs. I love you and your friends, I love especially your narrow christian worldview, that special brand of selective hate for others that masquerades as Gods love as expressed by a true christian.

We all know about Stephen and his rational opinions and voice of reason. http://www.countmeout.ie/responses/mp3/CMO_DundalkFM_290709.mp3

the link posted above,
- is an incitement to hatred – & bullying of Stephen, for his Christian/catholic faith, & for his pro life views.
Tony, – I wonder do you realise what you are doing is classic Cyber Bullying?

Ah Zoe my wannabe JesuitNemesis we meet again ! It’s his interview and his words how is that me inciting hatred , surely I’m doing the opposite by promoting him. Looks more like your trying to bully me . Now begone back to the shadows Beelzebub awaits !

Zoe- you clearly don’t know what you are doing to me is classic cyber bullying.

If nobody was pro-abort then there would be no abortionists nor pro-aborts campaigning for abortion. Forcing rape victims such as victim C to abort without her consent let alone knowledge.

Marion, abortion will exist as long as women decide to have them and has existed since women decided they needed them. Legal bans on abortion do not stop abortion. They just result in women compromising their health.

And FYI nobody who is pro-choice thinks that what happened to MIss C was acceptable. It wasn’t. Pro-choice is pro-informed choice, pro-consent, pro-making sure it’s the right option for you. What happened to Miss C was wrong.

Then again, It really wouldn’t surprise me if YD or an associate did it themselves to gain publicity…

Forgive me if I have got this wrong, but to smite is to kill right?
Are you calling for god to smite the people who did this? Because that would be a tad over the top wouldn’t it?
I totally disagree with these actions – as I have said above, but I wouldn’t call for their deaths over it.. It seems especially strange coming from someone who identifies as “pro life“..

Sorry, I failed to spot the sarcasm, my apologies – I always miss that in text, troll away sir, Kudos..

Must be one of these God-fearing types.. me, I love God. and how dare you to suppose who God will judge? I believe God to be an enlightened, beautiful energy of compassion and love and intrigue, and ultimately, humanity. Humanity means to be humane. Was what happened that beautiful, talented young woman humane? My God tells me no.

Oh dear! Someone has issues to deal with. Adolescent fantasies much??