Be it on their heads if they cut supervision pay in schools . Imagine lunch breaks. No teachers around !!! Dose not bear thinking about .

@ Little Sparrow: It is part of the teacher’s job description in the UK according to a previous poster here. Why not the same in Ireland? I remember the strike about 10 years ago when teachers demanded an increase for that particular role. I thought it was wrong then and I still think it is wrong today.

Well to enlighten you and since I taught in the UK, teachers who do lunch duty get free dinners in the canteen consisting of either lasagne or fish and chips, veg, a drink, cake for dessert and sometimes ice cream.

Ryan, it is incorrect to say teachers went on strike looking for pay for supervision ten years ago.we withdrew our voluntary supervision to demonstrate how much work we did over and above our contracted work. the then minister decided to grant pay for it to those who opted to do it.that s still the position.

Ryan, it is incorrect to say teachers went on strike looking for pay for supervision ten years ago.we withdrew our voluntary supervision to demonstrate how much work we did over and above our contracted work. the then minister decided to grant pay for it to those who opted to do it.that s still the position.;

Ryan Allen guess what ?we don’t live in the uk if you want to starts making comparisons you could be here all night . Free doctors , free dentists free prescriptions etc

You the unions and FG.

FG HAVE LEGAL ADVICE AT THEIR FINGERTIPS ,YET THEY CAME OUT TO SUPPORT THE BIG SPENDERS IN CLARE
CO. CO WHO WRONGLY THREATENED WITHHOLDING STUDENT GRANTS . DISGRACE,,,, .KEEP ON FRANKING THE NON EXISTENT WORK PRACTICE ALLOWANCE. GOD HELP US ALL

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Yep that’s right…ye wanted to eat some pie and do no extra work for it,

Here here Peter! I’m sick of people saying ” your lucky to have a job” no one wanted my job ten years ago when the private sector were lapping up the bonus’ and perks.

No one wanted your job? You did. Why didn’t you run to the bonuses and perks of the private sector if they are indeed as lucrative as you suggest?

Same old story: “I could have gotten paid more in the private sector, but I’m such a martyr I decided to opt for slave labour instead with the public sector”. You’re fooling nobody except yourself.

* defend

I don’t blame Public sector workers for causing the mess. The banks caused it.

What public sector workers are guilty of is delaying the recovery by striking against and rejecting every measure taken to reduce public expenditure via their bloated Unions. The country simply does not have the cash flow to sustain the level of benefits, allowances and pay-rises the public sector feels they are entitled to.

Don’t act so surprised when your sitting in your job-for-life and the little sympathy people do have for the public sector workers on the front line is eroded away by this attitude that would see the whole ship sink rather than a few pieces of dead weight thrown overboard. I had my work-load doubled and my pay cut by 10% in 2009 overnight. I have never received a bonus from my employer. Public sector workers refer to these phantom bonuses and perks as justification to hold onto their allowances and perks but the truth is this widespread bonus culture that you think exists across the board simply doesn’t.

When the Croke Park agreement reaches its conclusion you all better be ready for the inevitable sh*tstorm that follows because by then the public finances will truly be at breaking point and you will find no sympathisers outside of yourselves after 4 years and counting of resistance to all measures to reign in the public spending. We’ll see what cuts you will be willing to take then when the only other option is your P45 – you’ll have the luxury of knowing what it’s like in the private sector then.

No

No in the private sector they are told their terms are changing and pay is being cut, and if they don’t like it their shown the door. Honour doesn’t come into it, if the company cannot afford to pay them these changes must be made. Should be the same in public sector

Terms changed and pay cut = civil service in last 4 successive budgets. Or have you been hiding under a rock Ciaran?

It must be coming up to budget time when the government launch their now yearly attempt to turn private sector against public sector.

Sure every one in the public sector should feel so lucky to have a job that they should work 24/7 for no pay. Or at least that’s what the government have tried to convince all non-public sector workers over the last number of years.

I am a teacher and don’t see why at this time of year every year I am supposed to feel guilty that I have a job. A job that I am reasonably paid to do. A job that I will not become wealthy on the back of. And to those who think teachers are over-paid and underworked – feel free to get a decent leaving cert, go to college for 4 years and then act as educator, psudo-social worker, psusdo-psychologist

…. pseudo-social worker, pseudo-psychologist to 28 pupils every day whilst ensuring they are kept safe and enjoy school. Best of luck, but it ain’t no gravy train.

*hit submit too early with previous comment when checking if i spelt pseudo properly, which I didn’t – another reason to sack those pesky teachers, they can’t even spell pseudo, (although they have enough sense to check the spelling!).

Sorry James, forgot to bring up the small matter of massive job losses in the private sector which the public sector are immune to. Also the golden defined benefit pensions that you will receive at the end. Do you know I will have to pay upwards of a million euros into a pension scheme in order to receive the same return as the average public sector employee. This is what you were complaining about having to contribute to. So anyone in receipt of a defined benefit of 50000 pa pension is effectively a millionaire.

Btw all those things are what being a good teacher is supposed to be about, are you looking for a social worker allowance and psychology allowance as well?

Who put the gun to your head and forced you to become a teacher James? Or did you just not research the job enough? Or perhaps you’re a martyr taking such a crappy job for 183 days a year for your reasonable 365 days of pay.

Nothing worse than people crying over jobs they freely and willingly trained and applied for and then expecting extra credit above and beyond a solid salary, excellent holidays and world-beating pension.

It ain’t exactly a picnic over this side in the private sector either – I can assure you of that. Swap jobs any time you like lad, just say the word.

Who put the gun to your head and forced you to become a private sector worker?

No one did. But I’m not on here crying about hard my job is and expecting a pat on the back for doing it. I don’t need a hug for doing the job I’m paid to do – I get paid to do it and I do it.

Glad to have a job at all having survived a cull in work a couple of years ago. I’m happy for James and his colleagues that they will never know that kind of fear coming up to the end of a month having seen colleagues handed their marching orders the previous month.

I find it bizzare this awkward sense of entitlement many public service workers seem to have that’s bred into them by the Unions who enforce the kind of ridiculous allowances outlined in this review. They can’t seem to just do their job and take their salary. They always want to let everyone know how misunderstood the difficulty of their job is, how hard they really work and how it’s such a travesty that they have to make a contribution to their lucrative pensions. Like I said above – cry me a river.

Dumbest thing I’ve ever read. “the lethargic lazy attitude of the majority (not all) public sector workers is the reason the state is in the shit it’s in”. Nothing to do with bankers, Fianna Fail, over inflated prices from builders, carpenters and developers, stupid people paying 350,000 for a two bedroom box house in a crappy area in a crappy housing estate and most of all, the government in charge not saving some money for a recession to equalise the an inflated economy. Chris, if you’re on the dole, give up your allowance which consists of heating, rent, the €186 a week paid to 450,000 people (that’s near €84,000,000 a week).

Some allowances can go no doubt and other can be tightened up.

Dead right

Pretty sure I work 50 hours a week get paid for 40 pay for diesel pay for tolls don’t get lunch allowance don’t get paid sick days which are effectively holidays don’t get extra annual leave days so keep your assumptions to yourself. I’d say you are happy they haven’t touched your paid sick days though so relax

You still haven’t addressed your dumb ass comment that the public service caused this mess.

So your assumptions are ok to throw around then? Cop yourself on lad!

Chris, over what period of time did you meet with the majority or all of our public servants? What criteria did you use to assess all of those employees you judged? Do you have files on each individual employee? Have your findings been published? Did you carry out this work on your own or were you part of a team?

To be fair to Chris these allowances are symptomatic of a monetary black hole.

Chris, if you work 50 hours a week and get paid for 40, then the problem is your employer, not the public service. Oh, and most public sector workers I know have also worked in the private sector. Some are even leaving the public sector to go back to the private sector as a result of the 15% pay cut, so you really need to think about what you’re posting.

No Chris, the reason we are in the state we are today is due to bankers and developers.
Nothing to do with nurses and teachers etc.

Look what is happening ,it Is becoming private sector vs public sector . At the end of the day we are all paying more tax USC charges prsi and getting less for our money . we should all be marching under the same banner against the government and not each other