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Dublin: 10 °C Wednesday 19 June, 2013

Column: National pride or bald-faced bigotry? Maybe neither, or both.

Being proud to be Irish is sometime looked on as a social gaffe, writes Lisa McInerney, but that’s not always fair… and it’s not always the best way to figure out who really is racist…

Lisa McInerney

IT’S FUNNY HOW noting someone’s personal preferences often tells you more about them than might actually be true.

Look at Glasgow Celtic jerseys, for example. If you come across an Irish man wearing a Celtic jersey, you probably won’t stop at assuming he’s a fan of the Hoops. You might also think he’s a staunch republican, or that he’s at least handy for Wolfe Tones singalongs in early-hours lock-ins. You might even assume that he’s a classless scoundrel with a grá for cheap beer and no fashion sense. This, of course, would be saying more about your prejudices than his preferences.

Look at the taxi driver who wants to display an Irish flag or little green light on his vehicle. You might not stop at assuming he’s just very happy to be Irish. You might also think that he’s a staunch republican who’ll regale you with rebel ditties as he drives you past pertinent monuments. You might even assume he’s trying to prove a point, that his pride in his heritage is just a front for inherent racism, that he’s proud to be Irish because he thinks that makes him better than someone who’s not. Maybe he’ll even wear a Celtic jersey. That would really hammer it home.

Because Celtic jerseys (and obviously, Irish flags displayed in one’s car for no apparent reason) have long been associated with pride in Irish ancestry and identity. Which has almost just as long been associated with ugly bias, narrow-mindedness, and low social stature.

Why? It probably has something to do with the history of mud-flinging across the white bar of the Irish flag, in truth, but that doesn’t make it any less perplexing. Being proud to be Irish is often looked on as some sort of heinous social gaffe. It’s unfortunate, but there’s a reason for it.

“There’s not a thing wrong with belonging to any particular nation”

We shouldn’t assume that there’s a dark underbelly to having pride in one’s nationality. Even those ideologically opposed to the concept of nationality will have an accent that pins them to a particular corner of the globe, a way of looking at the world that’s been influenced by their community, countrymen and government. And there’s nothing wrong with that. Cultural homogenisation is used in dystopic fantasy for a reason – it’s an utterly terrifying concept. Imagine if we all looked and spoke and thought the same! It’d be like some sort of global Westlife reunion!

So while there might be plenty wrong with belonging to a particular political party, cult or boy band, there’s not a thing wrong with belonging to any particular nation. Being proud to be Irish, or British, or Ugandan or Argentinean is not a personal flaw. Obviously, some countries have terrible histories of occupation or oppression, or current failures in human rights, but there’s always more good than bad in shared cultural identity.

In Ireland, we have soft, pleasant accents, an absurd sense of humour, and a wickedly funny propensity for hyperbole. We’re generally fun to be around. We’re chatty and open. We’re fond of embellishing stories and weaving nonsense because we love to be the centre of attention; Irish comedians often joke about how you don’t listen in Ireland, you simply wait for a rival to stop talking so you can launch your own yarn. These are all positive traits.

Hell, I’m even quite enamoured of some of our less positive traits: our tendency to swear without due thought, our horrible timekeeping, our hard partying. Yeah, they’re not the most responsible national peculiarities, but there’s something comforting about knowing you’re not alone with your dirty mouth, lackadaisical schedule and reluctance to go home at closing time (It’s great that you can blame your national identity for your personal failings.)

The handy conclusion here would be that there’s nothing wrong with being happy to be Irish. That a man in a Celtic jersey might be proud of his ancestry without feeling the need to detest everyone else’s. That a taxi driver displaying a flag or a green light might just be happy to be Irish, or making sure that non-national visitors know he’s available for hire.

“Ireland is anecdotally racist”

Handy, but simplified. We shouldn’t feel we have to assume that there’s a dark underbelly to having pride in one’s nationality, but it is there, and it’s hijacking a noble quality.

Ireland is anecdotally racist. We hear racism, we see racism, but it’s usually something dreamed up and implemented under that same current of hyperbolic yarn-spinning that’s a national positive. We all know someone who tells racist jokes, or has a friend-of-a-friend story about some anonymous foreigner being unpleasantly foreign, or once heard an African being loud in a shop and is now intent on warning everyone about the possibility of perforated eardrums.

Most of the time, this kind of racism is quietly shelved when the offender is actually faced with a non-national who turns out to be a pretty normal human being. We’re masters of cowardly racism, where truth is sacrificed for an exaggerated story, where prejudice is packaged in urban legend and hidden behind concern. The worst kind is where racism is spinelessly hidden behind pride in one’s heritage – where “proud to be Irish!” heavily implies “… because there’s something wrong with everyone else.”

That’s not to say that all of Ireland’s racists don’t really mean what they say, because every culture has damaged individuals convinced that The Other is out to get them. But the majority of Irish “racists” are as prone to sixpence turns as a floundering politician – to put it simply, they’re full of it. That desperation to be the centre of attention often means a misjudgement of one’s audience. Tell a racist joke in a bar full of strangers? You’re likely to get your ears boxed.

“You’d be utterly insane to complain about immigrant labour when we’re emigrating so fast we’re leaving skid marks on the runway”

And you’d be utterly insane to complain about immigrant labour when we’re emigrating so fast we’re leaving skid marks on the runway. Racism exists, and it’s a shameful problem. But the average joker in Ireland is just not as dedicated to it as that taxi driver cliché suggests.

We’re left with a vicious circle here. We assume the Celtic fans and nationalist taxi drivers are boors and blaggards because Irish racism usually hides behind concern or native humour. We assume that being proud to be Irish is the same as thinking that other nations are inferior. People who are genuinely proud of their nationality are then lumped in with bigots, to which an understandable response is anger and disillusionment. The oft-wailed point about “political correctness gone mad” goes up a decibel. And suddenly you’ve got a lot more in common than Nick Griffin than you ever wanted and you’re afraid to wear your Ireland jersey in case someone rolls their eyes at you on the street.

No one wants racism to become an inherent part of our national identity. So what can we do about it? Well, we could give the benefit of the doubt to those flashing the emerald, and not scream “Bigot!” at the first sign of an Irish flag. But more importantly, we must decide the extent we wish to give that benefit. I’m suggesting “pretty miniscule”. We can continue to box the ears of the attention-seeking gobshites that tell racist jokes. And we can certainly refuse to give our business to any taxi driver who genuinely assumes having dark skin is an impediment to urban navigation.

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  • The kop 21/05/12 #

    Wow…. What along read that was!!! I’m still confused as to what the exact point of it was…. An I a bigot or not cos of my Irish flag picture….

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    • Surely that is the point, that it’s open. Some people who behave in certain ways do so through nationalism or patriotism, some through bigotry, some not.

      There are no hard and fast rules.

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  • Irish and proud. We are down at the moment and getting hammered but we will rise again. Every country in the world has homophobic elements. I would suggest that Ireland is more welcoming than most. There are parts of the city and country that appear swamped with non nationals. Nothing racist in that remark just an acknowledgement of the fact. Notice how most people have made the new arrivals welcome. Wouldn’t happen inane other places. Irish and proud.

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  • I’m not so sure Celtic jerseys represent a pride in being Irish.

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  • The country is in the crapper, but we’re supposed to turn a blind eye to immigrants who send money out of the country.
    If I see a taxi with a green light on top, I’ll get in.
    I don’t care about the colour of the driver’s skin (not every Irish person is White), or where the driver is from, but I’d prefer to put the fare in the pocket of an Irish driver.

    We are constantly bombarded with ads telling us to ‘Buy Irish’, but somehow this doesn’t apply when you are buying transport.
    Are we going to see a ban on the likes of ’100% Irish meat’ or ’100% Irish owned’ products on our supermarket shelves too?

    This whole racism thing has been completely blown out of proportion.

    An English couple live next door, and an Arab dude lives a couple of doors up.
    I don’t have a big tri-colour hanging from my house, and do not think that the Arab dude is a terrorist, but apparently I’m a racist because I support local businesses.

    I’m not saying that racism doesn’t exist in this country. It most certainly does, but there is a line to be drawn when it comes to political correctness.

    When you have a population of 4 million and then have 500,000 foreigners (am I even allowed to use that word any more?) arrive in the space of 3 or 4 years, then you are going to see some resentment towards them when they take jobs traditionally done by Irish people.
    Mind you, they were traditionally done by Irish people because we never really had many foreigners here until about 10 years ago. Yeah, we had lots of Brits, but most of us don’t see them are foreign.

    What didn’t help was when small builders employed Eastern Europeans at a fraction of what they were paying Irish tradesmen. We can’t really blame the foreigners for that one though. They were still being paid far more than the received at home.
    As we have come to learn over the past few years is that the builders (large and small) were in league with corrupt local politicians, so it should come as no surprise that they really didn’t care how they made their money.

    Now I’m bored.

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    • The kop 21/05/12 #

      totally agree…. i can never understand why being being proud of your nationality in this case Irish in Ireland… is deemed as being wrong…and your suddenly a bigot..racist etc for wanting to be proud of who you are… Irish people should not have to adapt/change their ways just to make foreigners welcome…if you come to this country to live then you adapt to the ways of this country…in the same way as the many Irish who have gone to far off shores… they have to adapt to the country that they now live in… the country doesn’t adapt to them….
      i lived in New York for close to 10yrs and on the street i lived out of the 50 houses easily 30/40 of them had a us flag flying outside..they were American and proud…. when i came back to Ireland i decided to put a flag outside my house… i’m Irish and proud….simple as that…

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  • That’s a long read without a point. What is this piece about????

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  • I’m so glad someone wrote about this as i’m sick listening to people calling us racists, of course there are some people who are. I think in Ireland we should wave our flag high and be proud. It seems we can’t turn here without someone calling us racists. I’m Irish and proud

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  • This girl shouldn’t be allowed to write any more columns. It’s only 8:30 and reading this has nearly driven me back to the scratcher already! It’s like listening to some drunk in a pub who goes on about something without ever getting to the point!

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    • A lived for a while in a town in the US which was unofficially, but clearly, divided into whites only and blacks only areas, had a local chapter of the Ku Klux Klan and where it was not uncommon to see KKK bumper stickers on cars. While there I also wittnessed, first hand, interracial violence.
      While living in Britain, I worked alongside people who openly admitted to be members of neo-nazi groups. I also witnessed interracial violence there.
      I believe Ms McInerney has done a good job of offering a general description of the nature of nationalism, bigotry and racism in Ireland. Her article contasts nicely with others. Which to often overstate the frequency and intensity of xenophobia in this country and is often agenda driven.

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  • All nations are the same infact the Irish compared to some countries are way down the scale when sticking their chest out.I find the countries with nothing to offer their people are the worse.I am not nationalistic we all end up 6 ft down.

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  • Can anyone define Irish-ness (or any other nationality), without trotting out a string of cliches? Nationalism is adherence to an abstraction, a vague, fuzzy notion of shared identity. But the truth is, we are just human beings who happened, by chance, to be born in our so-called country of origin. Politicians exploit this all the time, and love to invoke ‘national pride’ when trying to blindside the public as to their true motives. Anyhow, I’m a citizen of the Earth – and proud (can’t abide those Venusians, though).

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  • From the first contradictory sentence onwards, this is pointless drivel and a good example of how not to formulate thoughts coherently.

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  • Way to stereotype a diverse nation!!! I’m Irish and none of the stereotypes in your badly written article!

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  • I’m proud to be Irish, and I hate racism. There’s inclusive nationalism, and exclusive nationalism – and while I don’t like using the term “nationalism” to describe my political philosophy, I would be leaning more towards the former.

    I find people from different nationalities interesting, so long as they’re not scamming me – which Irish people do just as often you know.

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  • I live up North. Im proud to be Irish however I don’t go round parading a Tricolour and singing rebel songs because behaviour like that belongs to certain class of eejitry which only brings trouble and strife

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  • The overly sanctimonious tone of this article seems to be attempting to cover the fact that it has no point.
    The problem I have with the taxi situation is: Who exactly is being racist? Is it the taxi driver or the the person getting the taxi or everyone.
    Its a very simple economic transaction and it seems that the taxi driver applying any sort of paraphernalia to his car, no matter how gaudy, is doing so because he/she believes it wil attract more business. If this is the case then surely they are just giving the consumer what they would like in a competitive market.

    I have a real problem with the immigration/emigration point and I think it shows the stupidity/naivety of anyone attempting to use this in an argument.
    Because of our overly generous and lax social welfare system to compare people coming to Ireland to those going to the US/Oz/Canada is fictitious, but I’m sure you are aware of this or at least I hope so.
    Immigration should have been and should always be dependent on the skills set that someone can bring and should be dependent on them having the ability to and thus acquiring work.
    Otherwise the system is open to abuse on a very large scale, which I assume we are all aware happens (look at the amount of fraudulent claims being uncovered).

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  • We need to take a good look at ourselves and our attitudes, we need to stop suckling on the breast of Europe and stand on our own two feet. Too many spoilt brats running around, giving the rest of us a bad name!

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  • I can’t see any way of responding to this article without offending someone.

    Ah … nationalism.

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    • Why are we all so afraid of offending someone?

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    • My point was that one cannot respond to an article on nationalism without offending someone.

      I’m sorry if the irony of the statement was a wee bit tricky for you.

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    • “Offending” lol. What a load of rubbish. No-one ever died from being “offended”. Being “offended” is a choice. Being a Nationalist isn’t.

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    • Damocles I was aware of your point. It still begs the question. Sorry if I have offended you.

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    • Damocles 21/05/12 #

      Francis,

      “Sorry if I have offended you.” You haven’t.

      “Why are we all so afraid of offending someone?”, In many cases we aren’t so much afraid as reluctant. This is due to being caring, compassionate, empathic human beings who don’t want to wander around causing gratuitous offence. Some might suggest that this is a good thing.

      If I wanted to I could present all sorts of national stereotypes about the Irish which would cause all sorts of offence to most of you. I won’t because I’m not an idiot, well I’m not that sort of an idiot.

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    • In full agreement with not causing gratuitous Anything. But this assupmtion that we have to be responsible for someones elses reactions is ludocris. I tend to agree with Sartre “I disagree with every word you say, But I will defend to the death your right to say it” so let us offend and upset eachother and have open dialouge and stop this Brothers keeper nonsense that has such a grip on our psyche

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    • Damocles 21/05/12 #

      “But this assumption that we have to be responsible for someone else’s reactions is ludicrous.”

      I really don’t quite get why you’re going this way with this. I’m not responsible for others I’m responsible for myself and I’m electing not to be offensive. I know some people will be offensive and when challenged on it will squeal “Ooh I’m allowed to be offensive, it’s my rights.” which is true, but some people seem to take an apparent right to be offensive as an obligation to be offensive and we aren’t obliged to be offensive.

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  • Don’t confuse patriotism with nationalism! Nationalism is humanities infantile disease. The sooner we outgrow it the better.

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  • One of the worst articles I have read on this site.

    The author should stick to repackaging news stories from RTE and BBC.

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  • ‘…but there’s something comforting about knowing you’re not alone with your dirty mouth, lackadaisical schedule and reluctance to go home at closing time …’

    Is there now. Why the race to the bottom?

    Try an article on this topic: ‘racism’ is a politically correct screen for busybodies to deny we are tribal, and to further their own employment chances as, er, ‘consultants,’ spread their fifth-rate thinking and pump up their manufactured outrage.

    Judging by some of the comments here, there is a whole generation or two who have well and truly swallowed the kool-aid dispensed so lavishly by their third rate teachers and lecturers.

    Time to grow up, missy.

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  • I dont know what I am. I love being Irish.I would prefer my kids to play gaa games rather than soccer but they defy me & play them all so I cant argue. I dont wear irish jerseys as a rule & i think we should have the same respect for our flag as the US armed forces have in theirs. That said i am a little uneasy at the taxis green light story althought open minded enough to hear all sides openly. I want people from foreign countries to live here because it provides more opertuinities than it prevents. I am from a republican back round so I really love this country. Am i a bigot a nationalist what am I.

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  • If it’s up up to the crusties one can only be proud if… Black Palestinian gay single parent…??

    Anything else deems you to be a rightwing bigot

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  • I have often passed African taxi drivers in the rank to get an Irish taxi driver to take me home. This is not a matter of race but simple economics as Irish taxi drivers charge less. on the same hand if I choose to shop at Aldi instead of Dunnes am I lacking in a sense of nationalistic pride. Value for money is more important than any construct such as race or nationality.

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  • Sorry if it offends people but I love irish culture and our history and heritage inspire me. Why is it only americans of irish descent who are allowed this privilage? When im abroad I want to experience the culture of the country im in just like tourists here want to experience my culture. Im sure most people on here complaining about nationalism will throw on the green jersey in a fortnight, celebrate paddys day especially if they are abroad for it and tell people forcibly that they are Irish when asked if they are English.

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  • “Masters of cowardly racism” That’s a nice turn of phrase, and very true too.

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  • You either “are” or “aren’t” a nationalist.The term has baffled politcial scientists and they find it impossible to define satisfactorily. If you are one, you’ll know it. It if offends people, you won’t care.

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  • That’s great, but didn’t some of those taxi drivers say the purpose of their green light was to show people they weren’t foreigners?? That’s a little bit different. I admit there’s a fine line there, but I think they crossed it.
    It seems to me that this article is trying to justify casual racism as a bit of banter to get attention? doesn’t make sense. It doesn’t make it right.

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  • Organised Religon and Nationalism: The two most pointless things i’ve ever encountered. Yawn……..

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  • The green light on a taxi only serves to indicate that the driver might actually know where they are going

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  • “And you’d be utterly insane to complain about immigrant labour when we’re emigrating so fast we’re leaving skid marks on the runway.”
    - One of the reasons Irish people are emigrating, especially those that used to have jobs in the construction sector, is because the country was flooded with immigrant labour.
    We were told that voting for the Lisbon Treaty wouldn’t cause this but it did. We were lied to by our government.
    Instead of the Lisbon Treaty, we should have adopted an immigration program similar to what Australia has. This would have protected the jobs of Irish people but also brought in people from abroad with skills that we had a shortage of here.

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    • You do realise that most Eastern European migrants have qualifications, but for one reason or another chose to work below their skill level?

      And it’s not Lisbon but Nice that paved the way for EU enlargement.

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    • Most migrants from the eu with qualifications would know before they leave home that their qulification may not be recognised here just like mine wouldnt be in certain countries.

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    • censored 24/05/12 #

      Nope. People are emigrating because of the economic crisis brought upon us all by FF/construction industry/bankers. “Immigrant labour” has nothing to do with it.

      And be careful, because those countries that you and your brothers/sisters/cousins are emigrating to – they all see you as the “immigrant labour”.

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  • Perhaps a column by Sean Ryan is required here to properly extoll the virtues of the Irish nation. He could talk about the tolerance and forbearance that personifies the Irish nation. He could say for example that only in Ireland can you serve children on a plate to a known sexual predator and continue to head up the largest religious organization in the state. Yes, we can take a great deal of pride in that. Xenophobic taxi drivers are the least of our problems as no one does publicity for Ireland better than our beloved catholic church.

    I am sooooooo very proud to be Irish.

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  • Why be proud over something you didn’t choose and have no control over? Nationalism is like being proud of winning a raffle.

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  • I often pass by African taxi drivers in favour of an Irish taxi driver. This is not based on race or colour but simple economics, it is cheaper for me to get an Irish taxi driver, but I have been accused of being racist because of my actions! On the same token can I be accused of having a lack of National pride or solidarity for Irish workers if I shop at Aldi because it is cheaper than Dunnes. Value for money is I believe more important than the constructs of race or nationality.

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  • Travellers rights now ! The waffle that passes for journalism in this country,sake!

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  • He he!

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  • Scrap the revolutionary republican flag of failure.

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    • I do think we could do with a new flag.
      We have Irish people who have no religion and of other religions beside the two christian denominations which the colours of the flag represent.
      Maybe we should return to the Green Harp Flag.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_harp_flag#Green_harp_flag

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    • @sharrow I think the religious element and representational colours of the Irish flag might be something that occurred after the fact. Let’s look this up

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    • I am Irish. I am very proud of being Irish. That does not mean I look down on non Irish people. Quite the opposite. When the friends I made abroad, come visit me, I try and show them the best of this great country. Get them tickets for a big game in Croker. Hill 16 in with the Dubs, if possible. Treat them to a full Irish. Get them to visit our historical museums.. Kilmainham. Guinness factory as to enjoy a pint overlooking our capital. The burren. Go west. Have a pint during the day and make 100 new Kerry friends. Go see Fungi. Bring them up north. Black taxi tour. Then Giants Causeway.

      I could go on for hours and still miss things. We are a small we country, but we have a lot of attractions.

      I am/was married to a Czech girl. She loved Ireland. Loved visiting our small wee towns. Loved meeting the friendly rural locals and sharing a pint or two with them at night. If we had the weather, it would be a paradise. Her words, not mine.

      We live in a beautiful country.

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    • Sharrow, I agree and also replace the current National Anthem with A Nation once again

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  • Love Ireland, hate racism. Today’s Paddy Popovs and Seamus Adenaikes will be tomorrow’s rainbow Irish patriots. Me? I’m a Bennetton Republican….

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  • Good man ‘Terry’! Fair Play to you ‘The Kop’ (does that mean ‘King over Pope’ or does it just celebrate a British Imperialist victory in colonial South Africa at Kop Spion or do you even know?). As you’re here, why don’t you read the article a little more closely before sounding off with your ignorant and egotistical crawthumpery; you might actually find that this piece doesn’t berate Irish patriotism it merely asks for a subtler analysis — do you think you might put down the flag just for a minute and try that?
    Your patriotism might be well intentioned but — and I do mean this with all due respect — I think you are either too stupid to see it as a trojan horse for Xenophobia or you are deliberately manipulating situation to suit your own insidious agenda. Blaming ‘foreigners’ for pursuing the same economic agenda we’ve pursued in this country for generations is intellectually lazy and plays to the thin of the wedge which suggests that if we can damn them for our economic woes we can cross a threshold into more explicit xenophobia. Tens of thousands of young people were leaving Ireland every year during the eighties and nineties and guess wha? There were no Nigerians or Poles taking their jobs, just corrupt piggy-eyed Irish gombeens skimming what little there was to line their pockets. Smarten up chaps what, what?

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    • The kop 22/05/12 #

      sorry KhublaMcCann…. i think your getting a wee bit carried away….. “the kop” is just merely used as i like liverpool fc…simple as that…no need for the overly zealous reply to my comment…. i was merely making the point that people need not be afraid to be proud of where they come from and have some national pride for fear of being called a racist etc that is all…..

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    • Thanks for that; in all my years living on these islands, I never knew that the home end at Anfield was called the Kop. That notwithstanding; it still doesn’t take away from the fact that you don’t seem to know the etymology of the word. If I was (an Irish) person professing my love for a British football team to the extent that I use a term from their football ground as my moniker, I’d probably make it my business to know what it meant but as fuzzy logic seems to be the order of the day, I guess I can let you away with it.

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    • The kop 22/05/12 #

      i know exactly where the name “kop” comes from…i am as i said just a fan of the football team…..like i am of my local league of Ireland team…i never (as im sure if you read back over my initial comment) had a problem with “foreigners”……i was one myself for a time in my life….

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