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Dublin: 9 °C Tuesday 21 May, 2013

Column: Culture, politics and the freedom of speech

Protesters last week tried to shut down an Israeli film festival in Dublin’s Temple Bar -but culture is the best way to help Irish and Israeli people understand each other better, says Boaz Modai, the Israeli ambassador to Ireland.

Boaz Modai Israel Ambassador to Ireland

THIS MONTH HAS seen an upsurge of activities by extremist anti-Israeli groups in Ireland.  At the start of the month, there was the attempt to break Israel’s naval arms blockade of the Gaza Strip by two boatloads of provocateurs posing as bringers of humanitarian aid to the people there.  Over half of the 27 activists were from Ireland, most of them representing small parties holding about one-tenth of the seats in the Dáil.

Meanwhile, near a shopping centre in the heart of Dublin, another group of extremist activists have staged demonstrations of street theatre aimed at giving a lop-sided, distorted picture of the Israel-Palestinian conflict.

The aim of these activities has been clear: to try to hijack Irish public sentiment and opinion and turn it against Israel, making it impossible for Israel to present its point of view or argue its case.  There have been times in the past three years when the activists may have felt that they were succeeding.

The latest example of this insidious campaign to shut down the free exchange of views is the attempt by anti-Israelis to prevent the holding last week of the Israeli Film Days, a festival of Israeli movies and music held at Filmbase in Dublin’s Temple Bar – the first event of its kind in Ireland.

Back in 1820, the poet Heinrich Heine wrote “where they have burned books they will end in burning human beings”.  His prophetic words were proved accurate a century later.  The freedom to express one’s culture is the cornerstone of any democracy.

The attempt to intimidate the venue from hosting, and the public from attending the festival was a resounding failure.  Not only did two Government ministers attend the gala opening night of the festival, but over 1,000 Irish people in total came along during four days to see a variety of movies portraying Israeli life in its many aspects.

One notable feature of the festival was the way in which the popularity of Irish culture in Israel shone through – as shown in the film ‘Irish Love in Tel Aviv’ as well as in the Irish-influenced rock music of  Izhar Ashdot and his band on Saturday night.  We hope that this event will be the first step to promote the reverse effect – a love and appreciation for Israeli culture in Ireland.

Gilmore: Political disagreement should not stop Irish people taking a new and different look at Israel

In his speech, Minister for Foreign Affairs Eamon Gilmore made clear the real issue at stake.  While expressing his Government’s ‘open disagreement with many aspects of Israeli policy’, and upholding the right of demonstrators to make their views known in a peaceful fashion, he indicated that political disagreements should not prevent Irish people having a chance to take ‘a new and different look at Israel and the Israeli people from a wide variety of perspectives’.

I believe that the medium of culture is the best way to bring people closer and help them to understand each other better.  Our two peoples should be exposed to cultural messages rather than propaganda and empty slogans.

Let us be under no illusions about the nature of these extremist activists who, as I said in my opening speech at the festival, ‘pretend to understand the reality of our region better than those who live there, both Israelis and Palestinians’.  These are no idealistic two-state-solution campaigners eager to help in mediating a peace settlement between Israel and its Palestinian neighbours.

On the contrary, people attending the festival were shocked to hear them chanting the slogan “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!”, a cry that can mean only one thing – that Israel, the homeland of the Jewish people, must be abolished and exterminated, and a single state of Palestine substituted in its place.

In the words of Labour Party councillor Richard Humphries of Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown, their attempt to shut down the festival shows “a chilling contempt for the legitimacy of the Israeli perspective”.  It makes no sense that only a short while ago an Iranian film festival was held in Dublin with no disturbance and no demonstration, and that only Israel, according to these activists, should be deprived of the right to express and exhibit its culture and society.

The activists’ slogans, chanted mindlessly over and over, allow no argument.  Theirs is not the language of rational debate but the language of hate, using terms borrowed from other conflicts such as apartheid and ethnic cleansing that have no relation to the very different circumstances of the Israel-Palestinian conflict.  Israel is an island in the Middle East – an island of liberalism, freedom of speech and equality.  It is the only democracy in this region, where Arab people have more rights than in any Arab country and where women, gay people and all minorities have rights that bear no comparison with any of our neighbours.

The totalitarian mindset of the extremists gives a foretaste of what the people of Israel could expect if they were to get their way.  But it also shows what the people of Ireland could expect if they were to succeed in closing down democratic debate, cultural interaction and the freedom of speech and expression right here in Ireland.

About the author:

Boaz Modai  / Israel Ambassador to Ireland

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Comments (278 Comments)

  • I must say, this thread has really been an eye opener. The bile from an Irish person about a conflict 2000 miles away is frightening and really convinces me to listen to both sides far more carefully. No more free rides for the pro palestine lobby i’m afraid.

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    • Have you not noticed the bullying, hectoring tone of many of the pro-Israeli posters? To be honest, it was a thread not unlike this about a month ago that convinced me that there’s something seriously awry with many pro-Israeli’s attitudes – totally blinkered. Not denying that some of the pro-Palestinians just as bad, but they generally don’t lie so blatantly.

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    • Niall, what lies have been told by the pro Israel posters?

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    • Niall, i dont give either side a free pass in my assesment. I see a lot of bile on both sides. It’s pretty shocking though when we are in a country not directly affected which is 2000 miles away. We’d be tamer discussing our own territorial issue!

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    • I’ve been told flat out, by Darren, that “there are no humanitarian issues in Gaza” and, by Darren, Barry and others that “the Red Cross has said that there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza”. First statement clearly flies in the face of the known facts, second is a – knowing or otherwise – rehashing of an IDF propaganda piece, which the Jerusalem Red Cross totally disavowed … a fact that was easily ascertainable.

      I have been told that the IDF never used white phosphorous in Gaza, when video evidence exists of its use.

      Best of all, I’ve been presented with a quote from an academic article that I posted myself, and was accused of “cherry picking” from, to the effect that “concern at child anaemia levels in Gaza is fraudulent”. Only problem is that the quote wasn’t actually in the article I posted, but instead came from a Zionist website.

      There are other examples, but these are the three that jump to mind most readily. I have never received an apology or acknowledgment over things like this, posters generally just move on to the next stock argument.

      Insulting people’s intelligence doesn’t help your cause. If you start your argument from a reasonable and realistic place, your cause would be much better served.

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    • I suspect that for some, there is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, but of whose making is it? Hundreds of trucks cross into Gaza from Israel every week with consumables for Gazans. Equally, the border with Egypt has been ‘porous’ for some time and goods, including vehicles enter Gaza via that route.

      So why is there a humanitarian crisis for some in Gaza? Could it be that the people who govern Gaza, Hamas, dictate who gets and who does not get their share of the goods entering? How is it that a new shopping mall, the Roots Restaurant and a water park have become items of interest within Gaza, yet those claiming humanitarian crisis, are seemingly unaware of them. Every picture on Lauren Booth seems to show her surrounded by very well stocked shops and stalls – is this some kind of reverse psychology or has she just been caught out?

      With respect to the white phosphorous used in Gaza, its use was primarily for illumination and smokescreens and an IDF report in late 2009 confirmed that it was not used with the intention of anti personnel use. As you appear to use the word Zionist in a perjorative manner, you may take issue with this but that’s up to you.

      What I am aware of is your apparent lack of interest in what Hamas and its colleagues and hangers on do. In this conflict, their are two sides yet you and your colleagues in challenging everything Israel does, appear not to have such a close interest in the actions of the opposing side.

      You and your friends don’t ever hold Hamas or its friends, colleagues and supporters, to the same scrutiny and standards as you do Israel. Why not? Do you consider them somehow inferior to people from a first world country and thus deserving of your patronising support?

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    • Gaza is 70% aid dependent, according to the Red Cross. Anyone trying to put the point that there are no humanitarian issues, or that there is no humanitarian crisis is clearly incorrect. The reasons as to why there are severe humanitarian issues in Gaza is a separate point. Trying to start your argument from easily demonstrably false premises isn’t the best way to win people over.

      It makes no difference whether the use of white phosphorous was legitimate or not, I was told that it hadn’t been used at all. As it happens, a senior military analyst with Human Rights Watch is of the view that its use in populated areas cannot be legitimate, and also of the view that UN buildings, including a school, were deliberately targeted.

      http://www.hrw.org/features/rain-fire-white-phosphorus-gaza
      http://www.hrw.org/news/2009/03/25/israel-white-phosphorus-use-evidence-war-crimes

      Nevertheless, that’s not quite the point here … it’s quite difficult to persuade people that black is white, maybe if posters didn’t try to deny easily demonstrable facts, they would have a bit more credibility.

      I use Zionist because the site was called “ZioNation – Progressive Zionism and Israel Web Log”, it’s you who seems to think that there’s something pejorative in the term. Interestingly, the blog post had the sub-title “more and better ways to lie with figures”.

      And, if you check back on my posts on any of these threads, you will find that I do hold Hamas to just the same standards. Please don’t assume and insinuate, thank you.

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    • Niall,

      I’ve gone over this particular thread and can find no evidence of your holding Hamas to account as you claim, and I’m certainly not intending to look further.

      While your language is restrained, I sense an antipathy to the pro Israel side that is not obvious in your, ‘holding Hamas to account’, so all your indignation about who said what and about who may I suspect, be a smokescreen for a pop at Israel and an attempt at closing down debate about the subject of the piece above, the attempt by IPSC to disrupt a cultural event by intimidation.

      Sorry, but you have no credence here as an impartial observer, if that’s what you were aiming for.

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    • I’m talking about previous threads on this topic, of which there are many.

      To summarise, I first joined one of these discussions one Friday a few weeks back with a few tentative posts about the futility of the conflict, the atrocities committed on both sides, and the fact that I think that this conflict will probably be ongoing in 500 years, if the humanity is still around.

      I then found myself under attack from a couple of different posters, being labelled as “anti-Israel” and accused of “double standards”. This got my back up, so I started to get more involved. I then found that many posters were blatantly lying – I’ve given some examples above, there are more. This got my back up further, and I got more involved again. And then there were the personal attacks I’ve been subjected to, although they are very mild by comparison to what’s gone on here.

      You can check back under the #israel or #gaza hashtags here, you’ll see that I’m telling the truth.

      These tactics do your cause no favours.

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  • I attended 3 events there & it was an excellent festival. Many people turned up & enjoyed the film festival, too. The atmosphere at the events I attended was brilliant. Very friendly.The demonstrators were few & not as many as I thought there would be. Noisey vocal minority. They didn’t detract from the enjoyment of the event one bit. Here’s to the next one & society needs to stand up to these people who want to impose censorship & dictate to others what they can & cannot attend.

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    • I have to say as an observer I didn’t see too many people at the events! Can you tell me why the set dancing Israeli pilots movie shown on the big screen in the window was about?

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    • I agree with you Declan, no-one should dictate what we can or can’t view or attend. More often than not if someone tells me that I shouldn’t or can’t view or attend something I’ll go out of my way to defy them. I don’t think that those protesters who were there saw the irony of their situation. They were allowed freedom of expression and they used it to try to deny others their freedom to choose what they wanted to see expressed (if that makes any sense). Although I don’t think I will be eating ferrero rocher with Mr Modai any-time soon!

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    • Glad you see that Brian. I think the type agitators we’re dealing with are of great concern, not just to this event and the harassment against Israel. But in the wider context their behaviour is very dangerous and a great danger to the democracy of Ireland and indeed Israel share.

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    • Agree with your sentiments, Brian. Like u – if I am told “No. U can’t”, I ask “Why ?”. Their irony is delicious, tho’. U never know – u may get a Ferrero Rocher sometime at the Ambassador’s ball !! I met him, shook his hand & he was sound. I should have put in a word for ya !! Being serious now – no one has the right to tell anyone what they can & cannot see.

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    • That’s very, very true, Darren. It’s their anti Israel stance for now. What next, eh ?? Very dangerous & I think everyone ought to take a moment out to reflect on that. No matter what your view is. “You cannot shake hands with a clenched fist”. It’s a pity some of the demonstrators there didn’t relax their clench fists & go to view the films & programmes that were on offer.

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    • @Declan, Darren,
      Since when is protest anti-democratic? You just said yourself it was a small but vocal minority.
      Are you saying one should remain silent when one’s conscience is troubled?

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    • I never suggested anyone should be prohibited from protesting, Darren. I defend any1s right to protest. What was experienced at Filmbase went beyond that to being nasty, sinister & threatening. Those protesters were not interested in anything but sheer hatred of Israel, I sensed. For what that’s worth. U need to experience that level of so-called protest.

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    • U do realise Darren that non trade union pickets such as this held by the IPSC racist agitators are illegal in Ireland ???

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    • Darren,

      Following and causing someone to be harassed is not a democratic expression. It is harassment and it is illegal.

      These people were intimidating filmgoers who tried to enjoy a night out.

      Why should they be allowed follow and obstruct your passing of a public footpath, and chant slurs and slogans into your face at 10.30pm with a megaphone?

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  • I was at this event and thought it was fantastic. I’m so glad that Filmbase were not beaten down and went ahead with the event because it was a great success despite the bullying tactics employed.
    I have read all the comments and I’d just like to echo what Murray said, I have been to Tel Aviv many times and I feel 10 times safer walking alone there at night than I feel here. I am at ease there and everyone I’v spoken to that has visited has felt the same way. I’m simply speaking from experience. Something which a lot of these “nay sayers” are not doing. I hope that this event comes to Dublin again next year and I hope even more that the hosts of the event and it’s attendee’s don’t have to put up with the violent and completely unacceptable behaviour or these “activists”. Those who were “protesting” should be ashamed and embarrassed for themselves. They accomplished nothing and made fools of themselves in the process.

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  • As someone who went to the event and brought family, I definitely got the céad míle fáilte – or the hebrew equivalent. It was a warm welcome from beginning to end.

    I had the opportunity to experience Israeli culture and mingle with some Israeli people who happened to be present. In that sense we were able to engage in a true and practical, cultural exchange.

    As the Ambassador said in his piece above, the best way to understand people is to bring them closer. The films, food and practical exchange with locals are possibly some of the best ways to get to know someone.

    I am delighted to have been given this opportunity to have cultural dialogue and would very much look forward to similar events in the future.

    We need to encourage more events like the past weekend.

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  • Killian O’Hara
    Thank you for your comments and how true they ring. People like Deane are only happy when stirring up enmity and hatred and once it’s out there, it takes enormous effort to turn it back.

    Well said.

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  • The Ambassador has a point, why try and cancel a culteral event from any nation? Boycotting the culture of another nation is no better than the burning of books that took place in the thirties, it’s a shameful act by people who use what ever cause they choose as cover for their intolerance.

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    • It worked on South Africa, ordinary people have only one weapon against giant military/industrial powers BOYCOTT. I think Israel is starting to feel the beginnings of this boycott action around the world and now we have a charm offensive from the Government.

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  • While I am not a fan of Israels mandate and the tactics they employ I am quite worried about the sentiment emerging in this country. I witnessed the protestors at that event and they were only a degree or two short of mirroring the BNP. Having spent my childhood in the North of Ireland, I and my community were subject to a level of persecution that many of you will never experience. I will be damned if I am to live in a country that fosters and excuses this disgusting behavior after we worked so hard to clean up the Northern mess. True hate finds its genesis in “protests” of this nature and as a newly multi-cultural society this hate is spreading. People who attend these demonstrations may for the moment consider themselves objectors to Israel but are steadily becoming haters of Jews. There are a number of Irish-Jews in the country, some of whom I’m fortunate to have as friends. What worries me is that they will drop the Irish pre-fix to their title.

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  • Geez… what did Israel ever do to them?

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  • Raymond Deane, by his use of inflammatory language exposes his prejudices in public for all to see.

    ‘Zionist trolls,’ ‘propagandists’, ‘power worshippers’, ‘Modai’s gibberish’, ‘not a democracy’, ‘naked propaganda’, ‘apartheid Israeli state’. There’s lots more but what’s the point of wasting time on this man who’s arguments are nothing more than smears.

    Because he has no argument, he resorts to invective and name calling. He attempts to ridicule arguments in favour of Israel because that’s all he has to offer. People who know the region and are concerned that there should be a peaceful solution between the two peoples, don’t denigrate just one side, when neither has the monopoly of correct answers.

    Deane will no doubt tell you that he is a supporter of the Palestinian side, but do his hateful words attempt to bridge the gap between Arabs and Jews and bring peace? People like Deane are very free with encouraging Palestinians and Israelis to continue to fight, because it costs him nothing. Meanwhile, he will justify any bloodletting by only one side as being legitimate.

    Palestinian Arabs do not need friends like Deane.

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    • I bet the real people in Gaza would not welcome Mr Deane speak on their behalf. They need our support & not the “support” of a failed composer. One of life’s failures who is venting his own failures via the Palestinian cause.

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    • “People who know the region and are concerned that there should be a peaceful solution between the two peoples, don’t denigrate just one side, when neither has the monopoly of correct answers”.

      Out of 170 comments this really sums up the truest and most intelligent way of discussing Israel and Palestine.
      Hopefully it will encourage people to focus their efforts on a real discussion about Ireland and racism.

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  • P.S. Well done to Richard Humpreys of the Labour party.Standing up to the racists and fascists who attempt to censor what the Irish people can and can’t see. Their actions backfired.

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  • Its a pity no one has discussed the abuse the Filmbase staff received. I rang them.To thank them for hosting the event. I was told. Some staff werre refusing to work that day. Due to the abuse they had received by the protestors via the phone and email .
    The lady on the phone was amazed by the level of anger which had been directed at her and she was hurt. This sort of bully boy tactics is something the BNP uses.

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    • It was very sad to hear the abuse Filmbase got over this event.

      I believe they also were the victim of criminal damage, their door was broken.

      I also believe threats were made whereby an ultimatum was issued to unilaterally cancel this event ‘or else’ – very democratic.

      I genuinely believe people can see beyond this and see through these fascists. It was deplorable to bring under siege a cultural, non-political event.

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    • Yes. Some staff at Filmbase were afraid to go to work because of fascist bullyboy tactics. Speaks volumes really. Again, I ask people to take a moment out to ask themselves is it right in a free society to do that to workers ? To ask themselves is this soemthing to be proud of ? This is what these protesters are all about. Bullyboy tactics that in realitly has very little to do with the plight of Gazans. Israel is a democratic country that tolerates protest. Like Ireland. Now – go to Teheran & these so-called protesters would never be heard of again. So – they pick an easy target to vent.

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    • Declan, as the most reasonable voice, on the Israeli side of any thread that refers to Israel, what’s your opinion on the tone of language used by the author in this piece? I found it boarding on the absurd.

      For the record. I’m as liberal as you’d get, I wouldn’t try and stop anyone showing their cultural films, I have trouble making my kids do their homework fgs. Nor would I prevent people protesting once there was no incitement to hatred. Can’t stand racism of any sort while I can appreciate recognising the difference between races.

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    • Good morning, Reada. Many thanks for that. The Ambassador was expressing his own thoughts. He said as much at his opening speech in a very reasoned manner. It certainly wasn’t absurd & it certainly did not come across as absurd. Eamon Gilmore was there & he applauded his speech. Like u, I detest racism. It was a cultural event & it was enjoyable.

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    • Barry, no one really gives a rat’s behind about the FACT that this is a CULTURAL EVENT. Tis better to bash Israel instead.

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  • Murray,
    It appears there are at least a few who mirror our views. This type of hate is not Ireland. I will not commentate on the ins and outs of what Israel and Palestine are doing to one another, that’s not what the discussion is really about. Its about what is happening here. I used to believe this was a tolerant country but there is an emerging pattern. Perhaps the article should have focused less on the Israeli argument and more on Jews in Ireland but the point is quite clear. Another concern is that the Jewish population have been here for generations. They are Irish. What does this say about the future of our newer inhabitants.

    Concerned Irishman

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    • Killian, it is very true what you say. I know quite many of Jews living here for generations, being Irish citizens, and harrassed for being Jews. Unfortunately :( And the man I have mentioned – the former concentration camp prisoner which name I will leave out of this discussion, is living in Ireland for well over 30 years, he is Irish citizen, and I had to witness what I did. I have had a few nasty comments about my not being Irish and living here (and lots and lots of welcoming ones, I really like living in Ireland) but when I witness such situations I don’t feel safe or at home. And I work here, I volunteer here, I pay taxes here. So do Irish Jews and still…. Makes you wonder and it is not a nice reflection

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    • I work alongside a couple of Irish Jews, they’re treated no differently from anyone else – their ethnicity and religious beliefs is an irrelevance, their Irishness is unquestioned.

      I have never, ever, encountered or heard of anyone being harassed for being Jewish in this country.

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    • Really Niall

      I am doing a Sociology assignment I choose the Jewish community.My survey found many Irish Jews are concerned about the level of hostility to Israel.How the lines are often crossed.How any time Israel does try to put its side across.Its not heard or worse anyone who tries to facilitate them to speak out recieves abuse.

      And I have to say .Reading your comment ,i had to laugh. Sounds like when you hear a racist say.I have black friends but ….. or I am not racist but ………

      Ever thaught due to overt bias against Israel these Jews keep their heads down.??

      I’d be amazed to here where you work? That you actually have the unique chance to work with a number of Irish Jews. With a community which is tiny and most are pensioners. Ur truely blessed to be working with not just one Jew but a few. Thats if your story is true.?

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    • In fairness Barry, it’s clear enough that your definition of “hostility” towards Israel encompasses anything that doesn’t involve unswerving support.

      A critical stance on Israel’s treatment of the Occupied Territories does not equate to “hostility” towards Israel, and most certainly does not equate to anti-Semitism or hostility towards Irish Jews.

      Personally, I think that in this day and age that religion is pretty much an irrelevance, I certainly don’t go putting mine in people’s faces – it’s not a question of “keeping heads down”. I work in Law.

      You guys just aren’t very good at putting your point across. You, and some of the others posting here, make transparently self-serving arguments and are blatantly economical with the truth as and when it suits you. If you were a bit more realistic and accepted that there are two sides to the story, you’d get on a lot better. There’s a difference between not being heard, and not being believed.

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    • No. The Jews I asked spanned a huge number of various demographs. Some were not supportive of Israel at all but still felt victimised for being Jewish.I don’t see protests against Israel as always hostile to Israel. What I do see as hostile is threatening staff of filmbase because they held a cultural event.i do see events on Grafton Street as deeply anti Semitic. I do feel the constant bias s hostile.I see Raymond Deane’s double standards as hostile

      Drop you arrogance Niall. Its tiring.
      Your accusations of dual loyaltyof the Minister for Justice etc smacks of old anti Semitism.but your so pompous and up your own @rse you don’t even realise that.

      End of the day. Your in a huge minority here. Those the protested scored an own goal and I am personally delighted.

      “If you were a bit more realistic and accepted that there are two sides to the story” Are you for real???? Anyone who has read your comments .Knows when it comes to u. Israel is always wrong.Ur as biased as they get.I think thats what gets to you. Is maybe you see in us.What you don’t like about your own arguement.

      Anyway I am delighted to see the huge thumbs up for this article. People are sick of your crowd. u LOST. it was last weekend. We won. Roll on 2012 . Slan

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    • Niall,

      What is relevant is the growing hatred Jews are experiencing in Ireland. Jews in Ireland are inextricably linked with Israel and by virtue of that, the Irish disdain for Israeli policy has and is leading to a very negative view of the Jewish people themselves as an “ethnicity”. The argument is not that all of Ireland are anti-Semite but that there are a growing number of our small population beginning to behave that way.

      Magdalena,

      I have seen for a number of years a real dislike of foreigners in general. I don’t like it one bit, I love all the various cultures in Ireland, I love my heritage more but I feel it’s a real opportunity to embrace a wider cultural experience. I once had the pleasure of working in a little known company called Google, where i worked with over 60 different nationalities. I would not trade my time with them for anything. Little does anyone realise that Dublin is the most multilingual city on Earth with over 170 different languages spoken. I’m proud of that.

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    • I’m just waiting for a video of a woman on the LUAS hurling racial abuse screaming “I’m INP all the way”.

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    • Killian, I think that most people recognise the difference between Jewish people, Israelis and Israeli policy. But, if Israeli policy is turning people against Israel, then maybe that speaks more so to problems with the policy, than with the critics.

      “Your accusations of dual loyaltyof the Minister for Justice etc smacks of old anti Semitism.but your so pompous and up your own @rse you don’t even realise that.”

      The who now? I said nothing of the sort.

      Barry, despite everything, I think you’re probably a good guy and that your heart’s in the right place. But getting a mob of posters on here and browbeating anyone who expresses a different opinion to yours doesn’t amount to a VICTORY for your side.

      You know, I’ve lost interest in getting involved in these threads, because it’s like talking to a brick wall. Even when blatant lies and paper thin arguments are exposed, you guys just pick another stock argument/”fact” and run with that. There’s no scope for compromise, finding common ground, or even learning something new.

      And I note that there are a few of you who only ever post on Israel threads, like it’s a co-ordinated effort, while there are many people who post regularly on other topics, but never venture on to these threads. Ever occur to you that your histrionics and group think actively alienate people? Definitely alienates me.

      Browbeating and persuading are two very different things.

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    • Niall,

      I actually don’t agree with a huge number of Israeli policies, in fact some of the infractions have made my blood boil. That’s not to say I’m all that impressed with Palestinian tactics either. You have in no way addressed what I said and I’m a little confused about what this:

      “Your accusations of dual loyaltyof the Minister for Justice etc smacks of old anti Semitism.but your so pompous and up your own @rse you don’t even realise that.”

      has to do with me?

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    • See Barry’s post above – he launched a personal attack on me, again, based on incorrect facts, again.

      Only the first paragraph was addressed to you.

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    • Actually I was so confused I neglected to even address your first point. People absolutely intertwine the Jews, Israelis and Israeli politics.

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    • Apologies, it wasn’t punctuated or addressed so I assumed it was for me.

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    • No worries, my fault really – I just tacked on that paragraph at the start after seeing your post.

      No doubt people do confuse Israel and Judaism in general, and I am sure that there are people who do this to fit their particular agenda and prejudices. But, in my experience, such people are thankfully in a tiny minority.

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  • Stick with the hair and nail business Saoirse.

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  • I have to say that the point about these activists who ‘pretend to understand the reality of our region better than those who live there, both Israelis and Palestinians’ is very valid. And like you say Israel in many ways is far more progressive socially than a Palestinian state would likely be, yet this fact is always ignored.

    No issue is ever black or white and it frustrates me that so many of those who support Palestine don’t make any effort to even comprehend the Israeli side of the argument.

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    • If Israel stopped creating illegal settlements, and stuck to their own territory – and made their soldiers accountable for their actions – people would be more willing to listen to Israel.

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    • Yeah, poor Israel – only €30 billion military aid a year from the US to keep those pesky terrorists in check.
      White phosphorous in civilian areas is actually a good thing if only the pesky arabs would consider Israels predicament…

      And don’t you dare mention Mordechai Vanunu or nuclear weapons. That wasn’t a case of denying free speech at all, was it?

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    • Darren,

      Why are you so aggressive? This was a cultural event.

      Stop the aggression.

      PS The military may not need as much if people [Irish humanitarian NO-AID-ON-BOARD, not even a bread-crumb] activists did not break a legal maritime blockade and provoke that military.

      The cost of their adventure was six figures. This type of provocation is not free.

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    • CULTURAL EVENT, NOT Poltical. That seems to slip us Irish all the time. Can we not seperate religion,sport and culture from politics ?? No ?

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    • In what way was I aggressive? By pointing out the Israeli govt’s aggression? You need to check yourself sir.

      PS – Israels blockade is not legal. Most experts in international law consider it illegal.

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    • Darren. Ur incorrect the UN Palmer report found it legal.

      It wasn’t about the Israeli government. maybe this seems to go above your head. BUT it was actually about culture NOT the Israeli government.

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    • @Barry,
      The Palmer report is about as credible as the Goldstone report…

      But then you’re probably not aware of who was on the Palmer committee.
      Ex-president of Colombia, Alvaro Uribe… look him up.

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    • Glad to see Darren. Ur a believer in innocent until proven guilty. AND does one guy have that much affect on a committee ?? It was composed of Turks and Israeli’s too ??
      Why is the blockade actually there Darren??

      But again. We will go back to the ISSUE. So stop your trolling. its a cultural event. Cultural boycotts are fascist. Non trade union picketts are illegal in Ireland.
      These protestors were “so peaceful” that Special Branch B” were there to provide security. Yeah so you think that level of agitation and intimidation is right ??

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    • Troll? Seriously Barry? I’m in the minority here making salient points in good faith and with as much research as a lay person can afford. Further away from a troll you could not get. Please retract your personal comment. I did not and will not get personal with you.

      I was not there at the protest (not my style) but am saddened to hear it was intimidating for festival goers. That does not stand in my book. I hope any protesters that were there for anti-Semitic reasons are ashamed of themselves and exposed for what they are.

      My stance is for ordinary Palestinians AND Israelis who do not care for oppression from any political side. They just want to be able to live safely and for their kids to grow up in safety and to be able to truly enjoy the culture of all.
      Official Israeli policy seems to suggest those kind of people do not exist. You either support Hamas or you support Israel – a classic false dichotomy.

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    • Darren rubbish.
      Israeli policy ?? This being the policy which allows for MK’s in the Knesset who openly call for the very destruction of the state they are happy to earn a politcal income from ??
      Anyone who knows an Israeli, Be they religious or Secular. Left or right knows. They are desperate for peace. but Hamas and Fatah both call for the destruction of Israel. Even the so called Peace partner “Abbas” has no rejected the ideals of the destruction of Israel. He still refuses to recognise Israel’s right to exist.

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    • @Barry
      So you won’t address the rest of my comment? Just a reaction to the last line?

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    • I addressed it. I am not going to retract anything because you feel uncomfortable with a few pieces of the truth.

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    • Well, this article now has one troll less.
      Enjoy the echo of the one sided conversation…

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  • I was plesantly surprised by the comments on that article. Not only are the comments generally very positive, but, the veil of pretend humanitarian aid was completely dropped and shown for what it really is.

    I cant believe that certain people would so openly call for genocide after so many of their catch phrases being (incorrectly) about genocide, But its better than lying and saying they have no hate. Its an interestingly honest of them! They honestly want to empty the land between “the River to the Sea”. These are not words of peace, but, I am hoping that the majority of the people silently reading this will also see it in the same way as I do.

    What worries me is what they would do after that. First the Israel-Palestine conflict, what next? It could be a slippery slope, and one I surely hope does not bring this country back to the dark ages. After generations of working to make Ireland a great country, and to making Irish culture not only known, but LOVED around the world, the last thing I would like is for the international community to view all Irish people in general like one of these “protesters”.

    On a side note: To the silent readers of these comments. I encourage you to share your own opinion before someone else shares their opinion on your behalf!

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  • As a proud American GAY Zionist, I APPLAUD the efforts of the non Jewish Irish who support Eretz Yisrael instead of the Non Jew haters who are ONLY, ahem, “anti-Zionist”. You are NOT fooling anyone!!!!

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  • I have read many of the comments here and echo this sentiment “what part of CULTURAL EVENT” are some of the Israel bashers NOT comprehending”?

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    • Correct, Marc. The story is about a cultural event ( that was enjoyable to attend, btw ) & some people trying to impose a form of censorship & intolerance onto others. That’s the frightening thing here concerning the “protesting” at the cultural event. Their attitude was one of intolerance. We live in a free & democratic country & some trying to impose censorship is not acceptable. Many people of all points of view need to reflect on that & ask oneself if they are happy with some imposing censorship.

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    • I live in the SF Bay Area and I have never seen Jews or Zionists protest the many Arab countries cultural events.

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    • I love reading the “we don’t hate Jooz” posts here but we “hate what Israel is doing” yet never mentioning the tens of thousands of Katyushas and Qassams hurled over to Israel.

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  • Personally I like the way this rabble have got so overconfident recently. Even with a quisling media in Ireland the ordinary Joe is beginning to scratch their head and wonder if this shower are a bit strange. The empty boat to Gaza (unless you consider bluster, hot air and showboating cargo), the, oh so very reminiscent of 1930’s Nazi Germany, “enactments” at the top of Grafton Street and the sheer hatred on display at Temple Bar. The mask is finally slipping from the faces of IPSC and what’s underneath is something that’s both disgusting and disconcerting and people don’t like what they’re seeing. It will be very difficult for the IPSC to start putting the Genie back in the bottle now.

    On a more positive note I attended this event with my wife and, the gauntlet of hatred we had to endure on our way in aside, had a great time. Many thanks to the Ambassador and his wife (whom I gather was the main mover behind this festival) for the trouble and expense of bringing this event to the Irish people.

    I hope this is the first of many such events. Doubtless they did it for the right reasons but the IPSC gave them a massive bonus along the way, they showed themselves to a demographic who won’t be intimidated by their thuggery, so a big well done to everyone who went to this and endured the hatred on display. The IPSC would be better advised to stick to harassing shoppers on the way into shopping centres, a much easier target.

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    • Don’t think you’re in much of a position to speak for the “ordinary Joe”, Martin, as evidenced by your very use of the term.

      When it comes to a deluded “rabble”, I’d can think of no better example than you, your mates, and their sock-puppets, all over this thread.

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  • As I said earlier, the degrading comments from this hateful and extremist lot serve no purpose. Saoirse Bennett, it is such a shame that a young women like yourself could be so full of hatred and you have adopted this horrid and racist stance. Like many good people on this thread have posted, you and all that share your extremist views DO NOT represent Ireland. People are opening their eyes to the very real problem of racism in this country and your comments just enforce that. I unfortunately witnessed your hatred for myself, when taking a different but peaceful view to yours,you are likely to be spat at and called a foul name.(I wont repeat what I was called,but lets just say it begins with c and ends with t.)
    This is the kind of behaviour that makes good and genuine Irish people concerned for the future of this country.

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  • protesting a cultural event is disgusting, akin to book burning

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  • BTW I was there during festival on quite few occasions witnessing among others how one of the protestors was trying to talk to children about how Israel should be boycotted (closed school-oriented event in the morning), one of my friends, was told to be a murderer and have blood on his hands because he came. If you call that peacful I wonder what is extreme for you. As for me (and I have seen a lot, including police shooting at demonstrators in former communist country) it was extreme enough.

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  • How is blocking a film festival compatible with free speech? Dublin isn’t Gaza where Hamas rules, yet. Groups aligned even tangentially with political terror groups are drinking from antidemocratic wells. Should know better. The Palestinians did wonders for the airline industry in the 70s, didn’t they…

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  • hAVING Garda Special Branch provide security proves these fascist protestors were anything but peaceful

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    • Actually it just means Israel where afraid of less than 60 peaceful protesters, who was really making the demands that day, also the “Israeli” ambassador was so afraid he had to have his minions mossad agents around him at all times LOL LOL

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  • Your last 2 comments say so much about you, Saoirse. U are indeed deluded & the hatred within u is shocking.

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  • I am delighted that the film festival went ahead and that good sense prevailed. As a Jew, I find the protestors intimidating and hateful. They stand side by side with those who wish to see Israel destroyed and by default the Jewish people wiped off the face of the earth. I am a proud Irish Jewish woman so forgive me if I see this as blatant Anti-Semitism. It is one thing to protest (which in any democracy is a right), it is quite another thing to attack a cultural festival or to stage distorted stage acts on the streets of Dublin.

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    • Please Nicky, do not descend to the level of playing the “anti semitism” card! Israel is a country, not the entire Jewish religion. Therefore questioning Israel is not anti Jewish. This is simply an attempt to stifle the debate and a grossly unfair accusation to level at anyone.

      That said, I dont agree with protesting against a cultural event, and think the protestors may have scored an own goal of their own here. There’s no harm at all in learning about Israel and we could all do with it to further understanding of the conflict.

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    • Hi Dave,

      Israel is a Jewish and Democratic State. Anyone who wants this obliterated is tainted with the sap of anti-semitism.

      I don’t want to start an argument over this, but what I will say is that the motives of this group is more sinister than just calling Israeli government policy into question.

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    • Is it not possible to dislike and dissent against an oppressive right wing sectarian government regime without you thinking that I want to kill you and eat your babies?

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    • Hi Darren,

      Yes, anyone who wants the state and its people obliterated are of course anti semetic. But is that what Irish based protestors want? As far as I can see, they just want equal rights for Palestinians. Surely that is not Anti semetic? What motive would an Irish person have for wanting Israel’s destruction?

      I think my points above have been rather balanced, and I’d certainly hope no one is levelling that particular accusation at me!

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    • Dave . Most of the anti Israel activists I have met in this country. Those that spend each thurs and fri outside the Israeli Embassy. Organise repeated protests and are members of the IPSC are obsessed with the Khazar theory and have no objections to saying they’d be quite happy to see Israel being destroyed.

      Its the double standards which get to most people. We all say protests during cast lead. I have no issue with that.But lets be honest. How many similar sized protests have you seen about the 3,500 ppl killed in Syria. NONE. Thats the reality. This double standard by many in the IPSC who seem so die hard Arabist and unable to think outside the box. Their attitude is my enemies enemy is automatically my friend.They have little or nothing to say about the Copts in Egypt. Any attempt by Israel to get its point across.Is automatically hasbara and part of some “internationally ” zionist conspiracy to pull the wool over the worlds eyes.

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    • Hi Dave,

      The group outside Filmbase, (who I must say did an excellent job at hosting the event), were chanting ‘[f]rom the river to the sea, Palestine will be free’ – calling for or standing in solidarity with groups who want the State of Israel obliterated.

      Now thats not all they were chanting. Some of what was said would turn your stomach. I don’t want to repeat it here but needless to say, their solidarity extends beyond humanitarian efforts. We seen this with the boats they sent. They had no aid on board. They then said when confronted they went to break the blockade.

      The Gardaí had to be present at the event, and steward people leaving the venue on some occasions. They intimidated the attendees, which is totally unacceptable. When you look at aid agencies – they do not lobby or intimidate like this, so why would these so called human rights activists?.

      No, I am sorry to say, these people do not have the interests of anyone, other than their own self-serving agenda in mind.

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    • Darren, Barry,

      You are both obviously a bit more familiar with these groups than me, so i’m going to bow to your knowledge on the subject! :-)

      I really had no idea that the agenda was any more than supportive of a better deal for the Palestinians, so it shocks me a little to hear this.

      I’m glad to hear another side to the story though, so cheers for that!

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    • Hi, Dave. Glad to read your posting above. There is a more sinister agenda with these people . I would love to hear from Gazans on the ground to hear their stories & listen to how they feel. I bet u any money the majority will not have anything good to say about Hamas & Co. While many Irish people do have genuine concerns, I wish many would take a closer look at these so-called protesters here. Turn up & actually listen to them. Frightening.

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    • Darren O’Neill, you can be shy about it but they said kill the Jews, finish the job that Hitler started, comments about ovens, etc. I have been to enough anti-Israel rallies to know hate when I see it.

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    • I might just do that Declan. My interest in the conflict has been mainly academic up to now (studied it at University, always took an interest in it, but never got involved in any way) so i’d like to see for myself what these guys are all about.

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    • Dave Finn: Pro-Israeli supporters spin the story to make out that if you’re Irish and oppose the siege of Gaza or the illegal building of settlements on occupied land, then you are therefore aligned with Hamas and wish harm to the people of Israel.
      That couldn’t be further from the truth. The vast of majority of Irish pro-Palestinian’s oppose the policies of the Israeli government towards the Palestinians and would be delighted to see both peoples live side by side in harmony.

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    • Paddy,

      Are you speaking from experience? Did you attend? Were you one of the people the Gardaí had to restrain? Were you one of the people chanting vile slurs? Were you one of the people who stormed the building, snatching flags and heckling inside?

      Paddy, do you support boycotts of cultural events? Do you see cultural events above politics?

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    • Darren: No I wasn’t in attendance, and if I had I would have been there in a passive and non-confrontational capacity.
      You seem to be of the opinion that the film festival had some sort of “cultural” value, do you not realise that it was a propaganda event sponsored by the state of Israel.

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    • Paddy,

      You just said you were not in attendance, you immediately then say it was propaganda.

      How do you know this if you were not there?

      It was a cultural exchange, I got to see Israeli film and watch live Israeli Irish-dancers, meet Israelis and taste Israeli cuisine. How is that propaganda?

      May I ask what you would be doing in your capacity there? Would it be to protest or watch and enjoy the festival?

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    • Darren and Dave,
      All the citizens of Israel (20% Arabs have equal rights). What’s more you may not agree with Israeli government (quite a lot of Israelis don’t for that matter – just read Israeli papers) but what has it got to do with trying to call off the film festival??? What does it have to do with culture boycott???? Just explain.

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  • I’m going to quit this thread but before I do, I would like to thank all the decent people of Ireland who have an open mind to the conflict between Israel and the Palestinian Arabs.

    Please keep pushing for an end to the conflict and a peaceful two state solution. Perhaps it will even happen within our lifetimes.

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  • Remember the IPSC’s counterparts in London recently infiltrated and interrupted a performance at the Royal Albert Hall by the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra, which was being broadcast live on BBC radio. This penalised those who paid good money to attend the concert and those who just wanted to listen to high-quality classical music on the radio.

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  • I would have less of a problem with activists trying to boycott Israeli events, if those same activists did the same to other events of nations of whom they disapprove. But the funny thing is, these people apparently only find fault with one country.

    They have no issue with events in Syria. They have no problem with the Chinese rape of Tibet, nor the attacks in Egypt on Coptic Christians. There have been no protests or boycotts of the Iranian government, even though gay people are being routinely hanged in public and protests are being quashed with extraordinary violence. In iraq, tens of thousands of Muslims have been killed by other Muslims, yet have any of these people uttered a word of condemnation of the killing? Nope, only about Israel.

    I met a young lady doctor from Dublin in Tel Aviv. She was there on business, training on a pharmaceutical for her company at home. I asked if she liked Israel and she said she’d phoned her husband to say they were coming back with the kids for a holiday. She felt safer walking in Tel Aviv at night than in Dublin. Go for yourself and see.

    Oh and in reply to Grellan Delaney, Israel is not illegally occupying Palestinian land. The West Bank of the Jordan was annexed in 1948 by Jordan and taken by Israel in 1967. From 1948 until 1967, no one accused the Jordanians of occupying Palestinian land. Until the Palestinian leadership sit down with Israel to agree a formula for peace, that land is disputed, not illegally occupied. The ball is firmly in the Palestinian leadership’s court – they need to decide if they want to continue hostility or build a future.

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    • So if it’s disputed why does Israel continue to build on it? Why not wait for resolution?
      It’s not like they’re short of land or there’s an overcrowding problem in Israeli cities.
      Don’t you see this as provocation?

      And what proof do you have for the claims in your first two paragraphs? Sounds like unlettered bluster and propaganda to me…

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    • Tel Aviv has the highest population density of most cities in the world. You should check your facts.

      And Yes when you hear Gaza is the most dense area in the world.Thats a lie. Many other areas with a much higher density. Including Tel Aviv metropolitan area.

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    • Very well stated, Murray!!!

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    • Darren,

      We accept people at their face value here. Murray offered insight based on primary sources, vis-a-vis the discussion with the lady doctor.

      You call on this as propaganda, yet your the one disputing the credibility of the UN reports? The dispute I may add, to which you have not presented any evidence or article to support.

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    • I think the reason why Israel is protested more by people then say Syria comes down to 4 categories.
      1.) Some people are just anti-semiotic. However I don’t think this number is particularly high amongst Irish protesters.
      2.) Some people are anti-Islamic. They think that Israel should do better. And that from Syrians, Egyptians etc they don’t know any better. (This is probably a larger number then the anti-Semites)
      3.) Israel is a cool issue with pedigree. Its fashionable cause, has cool protests like freedom flotilas etc.
      4.) Probably the largest reason, Israel is a democracy , and as such we expect better standards from them then we do a dictatorship, we expect protest to be heeded by a democracy. That they can bow to public pressure in a way a military dictatorship will not. So protesting and Israeli film festival is going to have a better chance of making change then protesting at the Iranian embassy.

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    • Simon. I don’t care if they protested though I believe cultural boycotts are fascist.A Chinese Cultural Festival does not mean you support the Chinese government,.Its pathetic. This was mainly about how much Irish culture is loved in Israel.

      What I object to .Is the abuse of Filmbase staff. Their aggression towards people who did want to attend.The need for a HUGE Garda presence.
      The fact that Raymond Deane of the IPSC is happy to call for a boycott of Israel. Yet thinks its fine to go on holidays to Iran.With their apartheid against Bahai’s.Talk about hypocracy.

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    • Well said Murray. You’re spot on.

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    • Great said Murray!

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    • Israel is 1/4 size of Republic of Ireland, half of it a desert and population is at the moment nearly 7.5 million. Still not consider it overcrowded?

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  • Dave, I do not play any cards.

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  • Some valid points made by the Ambassador undermined, in my view, by the casual dismissal of opponents to the Israeli occupation of Palestine.

    The notion that, somehow, Israel is not getting a fair chance to get it’s message across is a bit laughable when the Israeli government restrict and prevent access to the West Bank and other Palestinian areas, ensuring very one-sided coverage on the conditions and life of people under Israeli rule, but not under the protection of their civil liberties.

    He is right when he says that culture and communication are vital to mutual understanding and progress, to bridging divisions that might exist between peoples. I hope he sends that message back to Israel so that the Israeli state can start practising what their ambassador preaches.

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    • What examples are there that media outlets some how are unable to get the Palestinian narrative out of the West Bank. We seem to here mostly about the Palestinians here in this country.Its rare to here the Israeli perspective unless its an Israeli who is against his/her government.

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  • This Saoirse Bennett lady is quite a piece of work. I took a glance at her Facebook page and came up with this:

    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=273181639370307&set=a.250835938271544.60061.180083982013407&type=1&theater

    “I had the honour to meet Jaber Wishah who is a Palestinian ex-prisoner who spent 15 years in prison, he is currently a human rights activist in Gaza, he is the Deputy Director of PCHR. I also got the time to meet his mother who was named mother of all Palestinian political prisoners, I spent the night listening to her stories and her very emotional life under the vile invasion and crimes of “israel” and how she dealt with her son imprisoned, she is also the adoptive mother of Samir Kuntar who shared a jail cell with Jaber Wishah, in 1980 Kuntar was sentenced to four life sentences, he spent nearly three decades in prison before being released on July 16, 2008 as part of an Hezbollah led prisoner swap.
    Pictures from my time spent with the Palestinian mother of all political prisoners and her son Jaber Wishah which has made me even more motivated and inspired in my support for Palestine.”

    So who is this poor political prisoner Samir Kuntar I wondered. According to Saoirse he seems to have been gravely wronged by the Israeli judicial system. Now although I’m very much in sympathy with the Israeli cause I’m not inclined to give it a free pass to do evil so I thought I’d try to lear more about poor Samir Kuntar whom Saoirse Bennett seems to regard as a hero. Here’s what I found:

    “Samir Kuntar (Arabic: سمير القنطار‎, also transcribed Sameer, Kantar, Quntar, Qantar) (born July 20, 1962 in Abey, Lebanon) is a Lebanese Druze convicted murderer and former member of the Palestine Liberation Front. On April 22, 1979, at the age of 16, he participated in the attempted kidnapping of an Israeli family in Nahariya that resulted in the deaths of four Israelis and two of his fellow kidnappers.[1] Kuntar was convicted in an Israeli court for murder of an Israeli policeman, Eliyahu Shahar, 31 year-old Danny Haran, and Haran’s 4-year-old daughter, Einat Haran, whom he killed with blunt force against a rock. He was also convicted of indirectly causing the death of two-year-old Yael Haran by suffocation, as her mother, Smadar, tried to quiet her crying while hiding from Kuntar.[2] In 1980 Kuntar was sentenced to four life sentences.[2]“……..Newsweek states that the details of Kuntar’s attack are “so sickening they give pause even to some of Israel’s enemies.”[11]”

    Well Newsweek may think that Samir Kuntar’s disgusting infanticide renders him beyond the pale even among Israel’s enemies but for all Newsweek’s familiarity with the world and all it’s festering cauldrons of resentment and hatred they obviously hadn’t banked on the likes of the very lovely Saoirse Bennett. No pause for thought for Saoirse Bennett about what giving comfort and support to the likes of a depraved animal like that makes her, oh no. And this is the inflexion point where the the IPSC comes unstuck. So many of their supporters beliefs, motives and actions are completely sickening that once revealed it’s simply not credible to accept them as how they represent themselves i.e. as human rights activists.

    There may indeed be people involved on that side of the argument who are honestly not contaminated by befriending or sympathizing with a savage who dashed the brains of a small 4 year old, Jewish, girl off a rock, if there are then they need to start putting a hell of a lot of the wide blue ocean between themselves and the likes of Saoirse Bennett and they need to do it real fast. Of course this raises the uncomfortable question as to exactly why that hasn’t happened already?

    If Mr. Raymond Deane can prove himself congenitally able to complete one sentence without the phrases, Zionist oppressors, Apartheid state, vile Israeli etc etc, then he might deign to clarify his, and the IPSC’s, position on Mr. Samir Kuntar and explain exactly how comfortable he feels sharing space with fans of a man whose chief claim to fame is that he dashed the brains of a four year old Jewish girl off a rock until she was dead?

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    • Spot on Martin.
      It’s a shame that the likes of Saoirse Bennett do not look into the histories of their heroes more deeply.

      But even so, if someone walked into her hair and nail studio and announced that her son’s friend had killed a 4 year old child with a rock, would she welcome her or would she be revolted?

      You could not make it up.

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    • What I find alarming about Saoirse Bennett isn’t that she doesn’t know the history of, in this case, Samir Kuntar it’s the thought that she does know. I mean how credible is it that someone like Ms. Bennet has got this far into the anti Israel movement without knowing that? To paraphrase Huey Long, when Fascism returns, it will, be in the name of/come under the guise of/be called, anti-Fascism!

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    • Well done, jumping over the line again here and dragging in the poster’s profession. It’s almost like you’re trying to intimidate people, “we know where you live”.

      Would it not be sufficient, even if you must go rooting around in her facebook account, to point out Samir Kuntar’s background and leave it at that?

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    • Niall, did you read about the crime of Samir Kumtar? If so, can you detach yourself momentarily from your indignation about the posts some may have put up, and perhaps comment on this man’s actions?

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    • I think that you’ve already taken care of that.

      But, if you want to talk about the poster’s profession, what’s a Londoner doing spending so much time on these threads? Do you have family in Ireland? Were you at any of the events? What’s the connection? I don’t like to ask, but given the turn that this tread has taken, I hope you won’t mind …

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    • Niall,

      Since you ask, I followed a thread on FaceBook I think to this site and was struck by the initial comments into posting my own twopennyworth.

      FYI, I am a Zionist Jew from the UK, who is deeply concerned about a growth in racism and particularly anti-Semitism and have seen the UK branch of IPSC, attract individuals for whom Israel alone is not their only target, but Jews too.

      My father interviewed Nazi war criminal at the end of WWII and my grandparents helped to build the modern state of Israel, so this subject is not academic for me.

      I have enormous sympathy for the Palestinian Arab people, who are between a rock and a hard place. The Arab League banished them to live permanently in refugee camps, in order to be a thorn in the side of Israel. The League policy, formulated I believe in 1949 is to refuse citizenship, passports or meaningful employment to all Palestinians, although this has softened a little recently.

      Their leaders have used and abused them and spent almost 64 years, teaching them the rhetoric of hate, so that it will be virtually impossible to come to a relationship that is not shot through with decades if not centuries of inbuilt racism.

      While there is certainly fault on both sides, I have lived and worked in Israel and have Israeli friends and family and I am concerned that the decent people I know and love, are totally misrepresented in much of the Western media.

      I believe that there is a way forward, but not with Hamas in place, as it cannot theologically accept the existence of a Jewish state. Fatah, being secular would be able to adjust their principles, but any Palestinian leader who wanted to agree a deal with Israel would need to be exceptionally strong and very well protected as he would be a target by his own side. Abbas is certainly not that man.

      That will be my last post here and I hope that explains where I am coming from, since you asked, (hopefully in a spirit of honest enquiry).

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    • Thanks, Murray.

      Thing is, I have absolute respect for Israel’s point of view, when it’s put honestly and without intimidation or nasty tactics. Zionism isn’t a dirty word to me, but I do believe in basic human rights for everyone, regardless of race, colour or creed – Israel’s rights have to be balanced with the rights of the Palestinian people, this has always been my point.

      But it seems that, to some, this amounts to being an anti-Israeli Jew hater. In reality, I’m just a regular user of this site, with no particular vested interests, other than whiling away a couple of hours while I’m at my computer working on other things.

      This is the big problem I see with the pro-Israel lobby on this site: they bully, harangue, lie and intimidate. I mean, some of the Palestine supporters have some pretty outrageous opinions, also, but they don’t seem to wilfully post falsehoods or personally attack people to the same extent.

      This particular thread bothers me, these personal attacks really are way over the line, if the site goes like this, soon there won’t be any diversity opinion. Anyway, best of luck…

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  • Niall I know I said it was a “serious” question but it’s also a very “simple” question. Have you ever heard any of Mr. Deane’s sounds performed? Do you really have such difficulty answering such a question? I know I don’t, until this geezer popped up on my radar vis his “work” with the IPSC I was blissfully unaware of this man’s existence. Judging by your reluctance to answer my very straightforward question I’m guessing you were too, isn’t that right Niall? Oh and if you’re really concerned about Mr. Deane’s reputation then the best persons ear to have a little whisper into is Mr. Deane’s himself, this is a grown man incapable of stringing even the shortest passage of prose together without having to rely on the flimsy adhesive qualities of the tiredest of slogans. Deane seriously seem to believe that if he stuffs his own arguments to bursting point with the most pejorative phrases that this entitles him to be taken seriously by adults.

    So Niall, once again, have you ever heard any of Mr. Deanes work performed, and by work I’m not referring to his very unlovely megaphone vocals, we’ve all had our ears assailed with this singularly unmelodic drone.

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    • Again, Martin, that has no bearing on the topic at hand. I am not engaging in a conversation about any other poster’s private life,or profession, all that matters is the contents of their posts. You would be best advised to do likewise.

      I am obviously talking about your sneering “failed composer” attack on Raymond Deane. Not only are you persisting with your ad homimem attacks, but you seem to think that there’s nothing wrong with it. don’t take this as an endorsement of Mr. Deane’s posts on my part, mind you, if you’d dealt with the substance I’d have no complaints.

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    • So the answer to my question is……no! No shame in that Niall, me neither. Oh and for the record I never said Mr. Deane was a “failed” anything. If you can cite me saying that then go right ahead and while you’re at it Niall please come back to me, I know this is the second time I’ve asked you but you keep ignoring the request, with a citation of where exactly I’ve brought anyones “personal” life into anything here. You keep repeating it and I’d like to, again, give you this opportunity to show that you’re not simply an empty handed smear merchant. That’s fair, isn’t it Niall? I’ve just set you up for another shot at backing up your persistant claims that I bring people’s personal life into the argument here. So go for it fella come back and show everyone how nasty I am or, more likely, come back with another greasy disingenuous evasion.

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    • Please don’t even begin to extend your personal attacks to me, Martin. I have told you that I’m not engaging with this line of argument, because that would represent a tacit endorsement of your attacks – it would tacitly treat poster’s personal lives and professions as a legitimate topic of discussion, which it is not. As for a “citation”, I think that anyone reading this post in its entirety:

      http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/culture-politics-and-the-freedom-of-speech/#comment-170571

      would have no difficulty in ascertaining who the “smear merchant” is here.

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    • Niall it seems that you are incapable, or else unwilling to, discern what constitutes “private” life and “public” life. You can not quote a single reference to Mr. Deane’s personal life for the very simple reason that I have made no reference to Mr. Deane’s personal life. Stuck for an argument and on a sticky wicket instead of engaging you do all that you’re able to and that is to do everything in your power to create bogus grounds for the Journals famously partial moderators to ban me. With no debate of your own you seek only to silence others which is of course the innate instinct of the Israel haters who harangued and intimidated people on their way to see Israeli movies. Empty of wit, argument or decency they, like you, sought only to suppress and silence others. There are no comments by me to anyone’s personal life and well you know it. If there were you’d have quoted chapter and verse by now, you won’t and you can’t but you still persist in trying to silence any voice you find objectionable.

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    • Someone’s profession is not a public matter in this context, and certainly not a legitimate topic of conversation/sneering in this context.

      It is legitimate to mention that he’s involved with IPSC, as this is relevant to the topic. But you’ve jumped over the line with both feet here, which you still refuse to acknowledge.

      I have no desire to “silence” anyone, I just think it’s a very sinister development for posters to start dragging extraneous, irrelevant, personal information into these discussions. Say what you like within reasonable parameters, but leave off the gratuitously personal attacks. Or any personal attacks, for that matter.

      “Do not make personal remarks about the author of a story, about individuals mentioned in stories, or about other commenters. We encourage committed, passionate and even heated debate on any of the issues or stories that TheJournal.ie covers, but ad-hominem insults or insinuations are not part of this. Play the ball, not the player.”

      http://www.thejournal.ie/comments-policy/

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  • Mr Ambassador,

    While i accept the view in Ireland may be a bit lopsided against Israel’s position, your government tends to score a few too many “own goals” in its treatment of Palestinians, and with regard to settlements. If you wish to occupy the moral high ground, your own behaviour needs to be beyond reproach. I hope your government would take that on board!

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  • Thank you ambassador for your words! It was very disturbing – both – to see Irish yacht 3rd time trying to break LEGAL international blocade under the false pretences of bringing aid (not a single time was there any help onboard, but a while ago, during the second attempt, when Gilat Schalit was still a prisoner, the crew flatly refused to bring the topic into consideration).
    And of course protests in front of filmbase. Any cultural festival could go in Dublin undisturbed but Israeli. The protesters didn’t achieve cancelling or even truly disrupting festival but they made me ashamed, and I am only a resident of Ireland, not a citizen. Being on the gala I spotted a wonderful man – former prisoner of Bergen Belsen – how he had to feel hearing shants (cited by ambassador) that sounded like in Germany in 30s? There is no support for dialogue or for truth in Ireland so called pro-Palestinian groups (anti Israeli is more to the point name), there is only propaganda in Goebbels or communist style (the protests were organised by culture-boycott officer of the pro Palestine movement, a Mr Deane, the title adequate to former Soviet Union or China from the Mao Tse Tung’s “cultural” revolution times).
    The lack of tolerance, the hatred shown was deeply disturbing and made me not only ashamed but – maybe for the first time – afraid to be here. And this is the message I will carry with me.

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  • http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/11/17/settlements-obstacle-to-peace/

    If Settlements Are Only 1.1 Percent of West Bank, How Are They an Obstacle to Peace?
    http://www.commentarymagazine.com
    In an interview with Charlie Rose this week, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said the Palestinians’ refusal to negotiate unless Israel freezes settlement construction is unjustified, because their claim settlements are stealing the land needed for a Palestinian state is pure “propaganda.” How s…

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  • Does the journalist think Irish people are stupid, we are not easily led, a small group of protestors not extremist (think you might need to look up the definition of extremists) are not going to influence people’s choices on the situation

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    • Conor,

      You might look up the definition of opinion after you have researched extremists. This was a n opinion piece by the Ambassador of Israel to Ireland.

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    • There was Garda special branch protecting those trying to go in and out to the festival.
      Staff at Filmbase had been abused and were fearful.
      To call for boycotts of culture is no better than Nazi’s burning books.

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    • Special Branch Gardai were there to provide security. I would call those protesting extremists.
      How dare they censor what Irish people can and can’t see.

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    • They are protestors, not extremists, simple as, they are not blowing things up they are causing a cuffle to make a point, people have being doing it for years, ok my bad didn’t notice that it was the ambassador who wrote the piece, but maybe he should look at the extremists and see what the real definition is, thats like calling the studnet protestors who occupied the dept of social welfare extremists, or the occupy wall st/dame st/london, extremist, also special branch were more than likely there because the ambassador was there like quite alot of ambassadors in ireland are protected by special branch!

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  • Can someone REMIND me of “what part of CULTURAL EVENT” did some of the NON JEW HATERS NOT comprehend? Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

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  • Wish I had been able to attend.

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  • Good article and it was a great film festival. We saw some really good films while the protesters stood outside in the rain, shouting (don’t know why they didn’t come in and enjoy some free films and food – still that was their choice) a couple of times they did come in and entertain us with some comedy, but they were soon thrown out.

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  • Good article. It was a great film festival. We enjoyed some really good films while the protesters stood outside in the rain, shouting. A couple of times they came in and entertained us with some comedy but they were soon thrown out.

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  • Niall Mulligan, if I may I’d like to ask you a couple of straight questions:
    !) Do you believe pro-Israel posters here are puppets (paid or otherwise) of the Israeli Embassy?
    2)Have you any comment on the contributions of Ms Bennett?

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    • A little jesuitical (small j) Niall.,

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    • Niall. U have no idea. In what context this was said in? Or do you ??

      You keep showing this twitpic as some sort of “evidence” we are all employed members of some zionist gang. Commenting on mass on this forum.U accused me and others of not commenting on other articles. LIAR.
      I have commented on articles about the euro,Syria and Egypt. So unless you have evidence.I suggest you stop your mouthing off.

      Maybe it upsets you and your sort to see so many free thinking people who have no fallen for the IPSC propaganda. but then again its the likes of Saoirse Bennett who turned me right off years ago.When I was involved in the anti war movement n Kilkenny,The hysteria was pathetic. The misinformation hilarious and the I’m not anti Semitic I’m just anti Zionist .Now sounds like the BNP types saying I’m not racist but …… The term Zionist has now come to substitute the word Jew in many of the same age old anti Semitic comments.

      Has one person here ever accused you of working for the Iranian Embassy or accused Mr Deane of being a paid employee of Hamas?? No.

      Unreasonably?? Lol. Do you realise how bloody pompus and arrogant you sound more and more by the day.Its hardly surprising your comments are the some of the most unliked on this page. Why?? because you have attempted to drag this conversation into a discussion about the Israel-Arab conflict. When it should be about biggots and book burning types attempting to enforce their own moral censorship on the wider Irish public.
      Good night.

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    • Oh Barry.

      Nope, I don’t have any idea of the context, but “we need new ppl to start commenting. even creating fake twitter pages just to comment” is pretty self-explanatory.

      And you’ll have to admit that it’s pretty unreasonable behaviour. Seriously.

      And I wasn’t talking about you when I mentioned that there are “some posters” who only appear on these threads – Murray, for example, is hardly a regular.

      You do realise that you’re way to one side of this discussion, right? Which is fine, but you have to realise that other opinions are valid too, you can’t just shout down people you disagree with. Well, you can, but it won’t do your cause any favours in the long run, just turns the middle ground against you.

      Lookit, as I’ve said before, I respect your passion for this topic, I just wish you’d take off the blinkers occasionally, and drop the personal insults, it’d be better for everyone.

      I’d like an apology for your having called me a LIAR, btw.

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    • Oh, and just so you know, I probably wouldn’t even be here if you hadn’t jumped down my throat with your standard “double standards” attack, after I made a fairly innocuous post when I was first getting involved with these threads.

      Just have a little think about that.

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  • RDX862 01/12/11 #

    The Palestinians would be much better off just laying down their weapons. They really pose little threat to Israel and their continued armed struggle and launching a few rockets every now and then, enables the Israeli’s to maintain the current situation.

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    • A few rockets which don’t cause any threat to Israel?? So thats why about a month ago 1 million Israeli’s to spend the weekend in bomb shelters.
      Don’t confuse the Israeli desire to preserve life by covering the South in rocket sirens and bomb shelters resulting thankfully in a lesser loss of life as somehow the Arabs not posing a threat to Israel. Hamas and Hizbollah are funded by Iran.Its well known fact. You may support that but they are certainly “not a non threat” to Israel.

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    • RDX862 01/12/11 #

      They are a threat yea but really they haven’t been able to cause much harm. Running to a bomb shelter is annoying but the ultimate aim of launching rockets is to actually kill which thankfully they have not managed to do much in recent years. The IRA realized that the armed struggle was not going to get them anywhere and that is when they could still go and launch massive attacks on mainland UK. Hamas and other armed Palestinian groups are wasting their time and causing more harm to their cause than anything. Palestinians can kill a couple of people in a few years with rockets while Israel can kill many people in a few days and they can point to the Palestinian rocket attacks as justification.

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    • A few years?? Thats untrue. They have killed people even a few months ago and injured people only weeks ago,
      Running to a bomb shelter is not just annoying but the levels of mental health issues in the south of Israel is sky high.The levels of children suffering mental health issues is even worse.While I don’t dispute many in Gaza probably suffer the same levels of traumatic stress at times.
      The IRA and Hamas are not the same. Hamas are a radical but strong group with a branch of Islamic fascism that believes all land will be freed of the infidel and the Caphilate will be returned to islam. Israel is not dealing with Canada or Iceland as a neighbour.Its dealing with a very radical neighbour in the north and the south. It is dammed if it defends itself as they deliberately do hide within built up communities. This is to ensure any return fire by the IDF creates the largest volume of casualties. but some of these members of Hamas and islamic Jihad celebrate death.Even in Bethelehem I saw signs celebrating a shaheed.Some young palestinian who had blown himself up killing Jews. I was told this by a bunch of arab boys who were very excited by my camera and the fact I was not an old christian lady or priest.They were impressed by his selflessness (in their eyes) at spilling his own blood for the “cause”.

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    • RDX862 01/12/11 #

      Barry I did not say the IRA and Hamas were similar. I said the IRA still had the capability to carry out large scale attacks when they decided to go for the peace process. None of the Palestinian groups have the capability to conduct a large scale attack on Israel. Even when they launch rocket attacks they have to launch and get out of there before the Israeli’s can respond. From Wiki so maybe wrong but it says since 2001 30 people have been killed from rocket attacks with 2 killed since 2008. As far as celebrating death and kids looking up to people who spilled blood for a cause, like that never happened in Ireland! What do you find so bad about me saying that the Palestinians should disarm?

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    • Thats not my issue.Its the rose tinted glasses you have on the whole conflict.
      Its more than 2 people since 2008.Any jackeen can modify a wiki .So take little notice of what a Wiki says.
      I don’t ever remember seeing Irish people slit the throats of British soliders. Rub their hands in their blood and show it off to the international media outside below them. But I have seen Palestinians do this.
      They don’t have the capicity to launch a large scale attack?? Untrue Hizbollah have more weapons prior to 06.Hamas have rockets now which reach further into Israel.If attacks started in the North and the South. Israel would be under serious pressure.Your talking about Connaght having rockets hitting the south and north of the provence. Would stiffle the country.
      Get out of there ???

      Where do they get out of? What evidence do you have of this?

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    • RDX862 01/12/11 #

      Go on Barry, tell me how many have been killed? I am talking about Hamas not Hezbollah.

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    • Well I know since August,A school boy was killed when a rocket from Gaza blew up his school bus and so was Yossi Shoshan who was running to get his wife who was 9 months pregnant in Beersheba when he was struck by a rocket.
      So two deaths since 08 is rubbish, Maybe thats from Qassam deaths. Don’t forget the Grad Rockets have also taken many lives.

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  • Gave up after the hysterical first paragraph tbh

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  • My! This really is the thread that keeps on giving!

    None of us live in Israel. We are only observers from afar. Perhaps we could all do with keeping an open mind on the subject?

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  • Hard to have sympathy when the opening paragraph is so disingenuous…

    “…there was the attempt to break Israel’s naval arms blockade of the Gaza Strip by two boatloads of provocateurs posing as bringers of humanitarian aid to the people there.”

    It is not just an arms blockade. There is a huge list of foodstuffs and other goods like children’s toys and livestock banned from Gaza.

    What is Israel’s problem with minorities?
    “Over half of the 27 activists were from Ireland, most of them representing small parties holding about one-tenth of the seats in the Dáil.”

    “The aim of these activities has been clear: to try to hijack Irish public sentiment and opinion and turn it against Israel” … No sir, Israel does that all by herself.

    “On the contrary, people attending the festival were shocked to hear them chanting the slogan “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!”, a cry that can mean only one thing – that Israel, the homeland of the Jewish people, must be abolished and exterminated, and a single state of Palestine substituted in its place.”

    This one takes the biscuit. It’s OK for Israel to say that it’s “homeland” is from the dead sea to the Mediterranean as prescribed in Bronze Age literature – a cry that only mean one thing… the extermination of Palestinians and a single state Israel substituted in it’s place.
    This surely is hypocrisy of “biblical proportions”…

    Witness also the apartheid “security” wall that is breaking apart the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem – that daily causes humiliation and oppression to ordinary Palestinians who not only have to contend with Hamas on their collective backs, but the unrelenting pressure from Israel backed by the most powerful faux democracy/empire in the world.

    It would be risible if it weren’t so invidious to hear the ambassador use the rich Israeli culture as a stick to beat back dissent to his extremist right wing government led by the equally insidious Bibi Netanyahu. A low blow by any standards. As if all could be forgiven with the distraction of cultural exchange. How about a Palestinian right to return if you really want to see cultural exchange?

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    • I think you’ll find it was well reported. There was no aid on the most recent Irish boat to Gaza. So it was just a publicity stunt to break a maritime blockade that the UN found legal.

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    • Duh, if there was no aid on the boats, then of course they were provocateurs and nothing else.

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    • Marc: Gandhi was a provocateur, but that didn’t detract from the righteousness of his cause.

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    • Paddy/ again, remind me what , ahem, “humanitarian” aid that they were bringing?

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    • Marc: I didn’t say they were, but drawing attention to the siege that is still being imposed on the people of the Gaza strip is an honorable endeavor.

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    • Paddy,

      An honourable endeavour? Was it as honourable that the innocent Israeli tax payer had to pay the ultimate price for those who want to aggravate and provoke?

      They should have been made pay for the costs associated with this cruse.

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    • Darren: The Israeli tax payer would have a lot more of their taxes returned to social causes if their government’s policies didn’t provoke and antagonise their neighbors.
      It wouldn’t have cost the state of Israel a penny/cent if they have been allowed continue their journey unimpeded.

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    • Paddy,

      UN Policy:

      All humanitarian missions wishing to assist the Gaza population should do so through established procedures and the designated land crossings in consultation with the Government of Israel and the Palestinian Authority.

      Do you see they say LAND CROSSINGS? Thats where Israel asked the cruisers to dock, Ashdod, so they could divert the aid into Gaza.

      But, there was a problem, and it wasn’t the failure to follow UN policy, it was more fundamental. There was NO AID on the boat.

      Just as well Israel sent 7k+ tonnes of aid into Gaza, as reported this week, otherwise they would be left waiting considering the Irish boat was empty, apart from a few politically-inept agitators.

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    • 7000+ tonnes for a population of 1.65 million= ~4kgs of “aid” per person. Not much is it?
      You say it like restricting the rights of an entire population its something to be proud of.

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    • Paddy O’Reilly: being attacked in 1948, 1956, threatened in 1967 and forced to war, attacked in 1973, with many suicide attack, many rockets falling every day and you call it ANTIGONISING neighbours????Just when the newly appointed Tunisian (fo God’s sake, they’re not even neighbours and they kicked out all Jews after 1948 which you tend to forget) PM – now after so called Arab spring – started by saying in expose that they will march to free Jerusalem from Jews (that is a quote, you may want to check on it). No tell me how did Israel antagonise THEM?

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    • Gee, drawing attention? Duh, who does not already know what the reality is?

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  • Smug, arrogant, patronising……

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  • Israel is a shining beacon of hope etc? you wouldn’t be saying that if they decided that Irish land was used to found Israel instead of where Palestine used to be.

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  • I find it laughable that Citizen Partridge posts an actual quote from the managing director of filmbase and it gets so many thumbs down. Kinda shows the caliber of the pro-isral brigade around here….

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  • Yes special branch where there, there have been a few changes regarding anti Israeli protests since the new minister came into office.

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  • For an article which lectures about promoting the right to an equal unbiased view it was very hypocritical! Bad reporting in my opinion, very clearly pro Israel. I wasn’t there so can only go by what the article says but it sounded like the protesters were protesting peacefully to me. seems like any anti Israeli protests or opinions are met with a very negative view from the media which let’s not forget are mostly owned by jewish people. Let’s not forget Israel is illegally occupying Palestinian land! How would you react if that was happening to your country?

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    • I was there on 3 occasions & I can guarantee u they were not peaceful in their attitude. They were filled with hate & intolerance. The story is about a cultural event & it was fascist of these people to try to bully, intimidate & frighten people coming/going & towards those holding the event, Grellan. That’s hardly acceptable. You would have to be there to experience it to understand my point.

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    • Its written by the Israeli Ambassador,. its an opinion piece. Not a journalistic piece. Or do you know what an opinion piece is ??

      How would you react ?? Gandhi made salt and lay down in front of British soliders. Find me a Gandhi figure in the West Bank???

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    • Did you see the protestors ? Why was the Filmbase centre surrounded by Police. With Special Branch also providing SECURITY. IF these “protestors” were PEACEFUL ??

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    • Name a Jewish owned media source.?? See the Journal.ie removed my previous post.

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  • *not boycotting

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  • Its my resistance against you sick zionists, i have been to Gaza, seen first hand what israel do to Palestinians everyday, dropping a bomb right next to the hospital i stayed in, killing innocent, prisoning them who really are the terrorists i think its Israel, i met also Ismail Haniyeh kind man, every word he says is an inspiration, i wear my signed kuffeyah with pride, !!!! RESISTANCE IS NOT TERRORISM The occupier is the terrorist. sham on “Israel” and shame on you for supporting Apartheid you have blood on your hands. Horra falasteen

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    • Saoirse hun you need to calm down. Get some help; if Ireland still has the budget for supporting mental health. By admitting you support Hamas, you have blood on your hands.

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    • Seriously as a woman do you really believe that you would have more freedom in a state controlled By Hamas than you would have in Israel?

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    • Saoirse Bennett
      Why did Israel attack Gaza in 2009? Have you been to Sderot in Israel? Have you walked round this town and seen the bomb shelters on every bus stop? Have you been to the underground control centre where the civil defence can be run during rocket attacks? Have you been to the childrens’ indoor playground where kids can have their birthday parties even in the midst of rocket attacks? Have you met with the psychologists who treat the children who are in shock due to 10,000 rocket attacks in the past 8 years? Have you spoken to the school bus drivers who have to stop their buses when the red alarm sounds so that the kids on board can run, terrified into the nearest shelter? Have you heard how some of these young children are so terrified that they mess themselves? Have you met some of the parents who see their children off in the morning, never knowing whether they’ll see them alive again?

      No one is happy about the attacks on Gaza, but you have to ask why they took place. No country in the world would allow another people to attack it with rockets and not respond. Hamas rins Gaza. It is them you need to put these questions to.

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    • Saoirse Bennett
      You write ‘The occupier is the terrorist..’

      But Israel quit Gaza in 2005. Since then there have been thousands of rockets and mortars from Gaza into Israel. It is Hamas that is looking to prolong and extend the conflict with the blood of innocent Israeli citizens and the blood of innocent Gazans.

      Ismail Haniyeh is using you just as he has fooled many others. If he wanted peace, he could have it tomorrow,. What he wants is useful idiots helping his propaganda campaign, and you are desperate to help him.

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  • This is a spectacular display of unity among Zionist trolls, no doubt herded together for the occasion by the Israeli foreign ministry. However, it’s so utterly mendacious from start to finish as to be self-defeating.

    It would be a thankless waste of time to deal with every point raised by these propagandists and power-worshippers, so let me just cite one of the ambassador’s resounding phrases and dismantle it:

    “The freedom to express one’s culture is the cornerstone of any democracy.”

    This, unlike the rest of Modai’s gibberish, is actually correct. But since Israel is NOT a democracy in any but the emptiest formal sense of the term, the “expression” of its culture can be equated with naked propaganda when that “expression” is filtered through the auspices of the apartheid Israeli state, i.e. in this case through its Embassy here. The “culture” in question, moreover, consisted mainly of trivial films about sumo wrestling, or films suggesting that Israeli soldiers are more interested in learning “Riverdance” than in persecuting the Palestinians under their brutal occupation and control. The only semi-political film (apart from documentaries) seems to have been Beaufort, which was also the only film in which Arabs (20% of the population of apartheid Israel, after all) featured – through the sights of a gun, appropriately enough. Beaufort may well be an “anti-war” film, but in Israel it’s long been possible to be “anti-war” and “pro” all of Israel’s criminal wars.

    “The freedom to express one’s culture is the cornerstone of any democracy.” However, the freedom to show a propaganda festival run by the rogue Israeli regime in Dublin seems to have been bought at the expense of the freedom of Irish citizens to demonstrate peacefully against it – something that is definitely “the cornerstone of any democracy”. The enlisting of the Gardai, at the behest of our ultra-Zionist “justice” minister (who is as preoccupied with defending Israel’s privileges as he is with throwing out immigrants) on behalf of the rogue Israeli state proves that apartheid can only be supported by eroding the democratic rights of those who oppose it. The “Israeli Film Days” (which were miserably attended, if the truth be told) succeeded in exposing these unpalatable truths; on every other level, they were a disaster.

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    • Raymond,

      What was a spectacular display of propaganda was the IPSC display at Grafton Street, depicting brutality by Israel Defense Forces.

      Can you clarify, are you are calling me a liar?

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    • How many of the films have you seen? tell me about this propaganda (except from the one displayed by your group)

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    • Raymond,

      You never identified yourself as self-titled CULTURAL BOYCOTT OFFICER with the Irish Palestinian Solidarity Campaign.

      The perpetual bitterness is playing the same tunes, ironic you can’t sell them ‘songs’ either.

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    • I suppose one’s failure has to be vented somehow. Why not pick an easy target like a democratic country to vent.

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    • Raymond, thankfully your racist and extremist views are not shared by the intelligent people in this country. The Irish people have themselves suffered types of racism in the past, so owing it to that history they should ensure that this type of behaviour is NOT tolerated here.
      The United Nations defines racism as “any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life”.
      Your inability to separate your political views from race and culture is harmful and dangerous. You and your group show blatant racial intolerance and anti semitic views, which I for one and many others in this country find sickening.
      I had the great privilege of attending the filmbase event on the opening night. It was a wonderful evening and a great experience of cultural exchange,art and food. Enjoyed by all who attended and many thanks to the Embassy and all involved. All the protestors did, including yourself, was show that extremisim is shameful and will not be excepted. It was a direct result of the actions of your group that so many Gardai were enlisted,what a shocking waste of tax payers money. It is time that good Irish people take a stand against this sort of behaviour.

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    • Raymond.It was a film festival mainly about Irish culture in israel.
      Are you stupid.
      Filmbase have openly admitted your crowd abused them. Are you calling them liars too?? Part of the zionist conspiracy to cover up for Israel ??

      You sound like someone who is unstable. Judging by your ability to holiday in iran yet lecture irish people on what cultural events they can attend.I think you’ve a large egg on your face. Us Irish hate hypocrits. We also hate people dictating to us what we can and can’t do or see. Your sort are like a left wing version of the Catholic church impossing your “morals” on the rest of us.
      i MEAN PLEASE.Get over yourself.

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    • As for throwing out Immigrants?? What a side issue.But to the Minister defence. He was one of the main men backing the attempts to keep that nigerian lady who forged her documents and was living in Sligo.

      How many deportation orders has this minister actually signed?? Or how many were signed by the previous Minister as in the case of the Sligo/Nigerian lady>

      As for calling him an Ultra Zionist. Do you refer to the Shinners as ultra Arabist. And can I also accuse you of having a divided or dual loyalty. ??

      Deane your hypocracy and lies seems to be turning on you. Judging by the level of disgust many right thinking Irish people feel about cultural boycotts. I think your crowd should go back and discuss this own goal you scored.

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  • No special branch – just uniformed police without riot gear or mace or pepper spray – just standard issue batons. And where were all the arrests of these fascists? Did the Gardai not do their duty and arrest the law breakers?

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    • Special Branch B were there. That I can assure you.
      Arrest them? They attempted to take the loudspeaker at one stage as it was getting late and would have breached the law. Of course. The racist agitators started to push and shove and went out looking for a scuffle. A cosmic mix of Islamic fascists.Shinners and Hard core leftists. Imagine Trotsky hearing about supposid followers of his attempting to implement their own thuggish brand of censor ship .

      Answer a question Darren. If someone went to a Chinese Cultural event.Does that mean they support the Chinese state?? Do you think we would get that many protestors for the entire weekend ??

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  • Irrelevant, Martin. Take a look at the comments policy here. This site is about sharing opinions about issues, not defaming people who disagree with you.

    As far as I’m concerned, a person’s personal life should be off limits – aside from other ethical issues, it has no bearing on the discussion.

    There’s something quite sinister about how readily you’ve gone to personally attack people, especially for someone who appears to have set up their twitter account for the purpose of posting on this thread.

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    • Niall, whose personal life have I brought into anything here? Do please be clear what you’re talking about. Citation if you please.

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    • FYI, I have come across Raymond Deane before. He strikes me as a deeply unpleasant racist and propagandist for a cause that is itself, as has been seen by the demo outside the Film Festival, quite prepared to use physical intimidation to prevent a cultural event from taking place.

      Deane deserves no sympathy and if he puts himself up as unable to write a sentence about anything to do with Israel without qualifying it in a demeaning way, then frankly, he deserves all he gets.

      Martin’s comments on Deane are if anything mild, and your tactic of a sustained attack on Martin is becoming boring and obvious.

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    • Murray, as a regular user of this site, who posts on various topics, not just those relating to Israel, I think that it’s a most unwelcome development for posters’ professions to become a target for sneering. It’s not something I’ve seen on any other thread, and I would like to keep it that way. That is my concern.

      I don’t give a damn what Raymond Deane does or says IRL, all that’s relevant to this board is what he says in his posts. As an aside, I would’ve thought that he’d given you plenty of ammunition in his posts, without having to resort to the kind of attacks Martin’s been engaging in.

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  • LOL “Israel is an island in the Middle East – an island of liberalism, freedom of speech and equality. It is the only democracy in this region, where Arab people have more rights than in any Arab country ”

    I wonder if Ireland had the same “liberalism, freedom of speech and equality” would we still be able to express our outrage to the policies of apartheid israel?

    From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free :P

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    • Comes for the proffesional protestor Mr Bennett. I’m surprised you have time to comment between occupy Dame Street and spewing your hate outside the Israeli Embassy each Thurs and Fri.

      It was exactly your sort which abused the Filmbase staff and cost the tax payer a fortune to provide security for the event.

      The Irish will not put up with biggots and hypocrits. Who call for cultural boycotts. Ur sort is clearly no different to the burn the books brigade. The event was a huge success.

      Here is a suggestion. Why not hold a Palestinian cultural event and see if you can leave it as Non political as possible. I very much doubt you or your daughter would organise such an event Mr Bennett.

      Your crowd attempted to silence freedom or speech. Behaved like fascists and racist and used the tactics of the BNP to get your agenda across. EPIC FAIL.COM . The great people of this island no longer allow the catholic church to breath its morals down on us. We wont allow your cosmic mix of shinners/Trotskys and Islamic supremicists to do the same.

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    • More unfounded smears.
      If Israel, with a 20% Israeli Arab population, who have the same opportunities as Israeli Jews and occupy positions across every spectrum of public office, is apartheid, then what do you have to say about Abbas’s comments that not one Israeli will be permitted to live in an independent Palestinian state? That IS apartheid. Israel is not.

      BTW, your ‘From the river to the sea…” comment, predicates a genocide of Jewish Israelis. I take it that’s ok with you?

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    • With your comment “from the river to the sea…………………..” would it be fair to say you believe Israel shouldn`t exist?

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  • FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA PALESTINE WILL BE FREE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <3 im happy with this report as the "Israeli" ambassador huffs and puffs, he does not realise how we done our disruption well, you thought we where going to let your festival go easy for four days, as you don't even give Palestinians one normal second of a day. Israel is the terrorist state.

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    • Saoirse Bennett
      Another call for genocide? Shame of you.

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    • The only Genocide i see is Israel what they are doing to Palestinians, i wonder where Israeli grandparents are REALLY from ? plus have you ever heard of Neturei Karta The name was given to a group of Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem who refused (and still refuse) to recognize the existence or authority of the so-called “State of Israel” and made (and still make) a point of publicly demonstrating their position, the position of the Torah and authentic unadulterated Judaism. “Over the years, a number of Neturei Karta activists and followers settled outside of Palestine. Some of the reasons that these individuals abandoned the country in which they and their families had lived for many generations (having lived there many years prior to the establishment of the illegitimate so-called “State of Israel”) include; ideological refusal to live under the illegitimate heretical “Israeli” regime, their being exiled by the Zionist government for their insistence of remaining independent of the illegitimate heretical regime or them being unable to live a normal family life due to them and their families being persistently harassed, repeatedly incarcerated and many times even physically tortured by the Zionist police and agents. This dispersion resulted in the emergence of various Neturei Karta establishments on the broader international scene. These establishments include synagogues, educational institutions, publishing houses and organizations. The establishments in New York include three synagogues in Brooklyn (Boro Park and Williamsburg), three upstate, and organizations include the Friends of Jerusalem in NY, NY.”

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    • Saoirse Bennett
      There are 1.5 million Palestinian Arabs living in Gaza and approximately 2.5 million living in Judea and Samaria (the West Bank). Bearing in mind there were approx 700,000 Palestinian Arabs in 1948, how is that a genocide, (assuming you know what the word means)?

      Your friends in Hamas have called for the death of all Jews, anywhere in the world, not just Israelis. That IS genocide, and you seem happy to support it.
      Shame on you.

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    • SO Murray Freedman you just liked a link Zionists United For Israel
      Un resolution 3379 :
      United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3379, was passed on November 10th, 1975 and “Determines that Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination”.

      The full text of Resolution 3379:

      3379 (XXX). Elimination of all forms of racial discrimination

      The General Assembly,

      Recalling its resolution 1904 (XVIII) of 20 November 1963, proclaiming the United Nations Declaration on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, and in particular its affirmation that “any doctrine of racial differentiation or superiority is scientifically false, morally condemnable, socially unjust and dangerous” and its expression of alarm at “the manifestations of racial discrimination still in evidence in some areas in the world, some of which are imposed by certain Governments by means of legislative, administrative or other measures”,

      Recalling also that, in its resolution 3151 G (XXVIII) of 14 December 1973, the General Assembly condemned, inter alia, the unholy alliance between South African racism and Zionism,

      Taking note of the Declaration of Mexico on the Equality of Women and Their Contribution to Development and Peace, 1/ proclaimed by the World Conference of the International Women’s Year, held at Mexico City from 19 June to 2 July 1975, which promulgated the principle that “international co-operation and peace require the achievement of national liberation and independence, the elimination of colonialism and neo-colonialism, foreign occupation, Zionism, apartheid and racial discrimination in all its forms, as well as the recognition of the dignity of peoples and their right to self-determination”,

      Taking note also of resolution 77 (XII) adopted by the Assembly of Heads of State and Government of the Organization of African Unity at its twelfth ordinary session,2/ hold at Kampala from 28 July to 1 August 1975, which considered “that the racist regime in occupied Palestine and the racist regimes in Zimbabwe and South Africa have a common imperialist origin, forming a whole and having the same racist structure and being organically linked in their policy aimed at repression of the dignity and integrity of the human being”,

      Taking note also of the Political Declaration and Strategy to Strengthen International Peace and Security and to Intensify Solidarity and Mutual Assistance among Non-Aligned Countries,3/ adopted at the Conference of Ministers for Foreign Affairs of Non-Aligned Countries held at Lima from 25 to 30 August 1975, which most severely condemned Zionism as a threat to world peace and security and called upon all countries to oppose this racism and imperialist ideology,

      Determines that Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination.

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    • What a hateful little girl you are.

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    • Thats a compliment from a racist fascists Zionist! Taskut taskut israel !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Long live Hamas Long live Gazzah Long live Falasteen !

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    • Saoirse Bennett
      Why don’t you address what’s being discussed on this website, rather than cutting and pasting about a nonsense resolution that has been comprehensively debunked?

      For your information, most Israelis would like nothing better than a comprehensive and permanent peace with their Palestinian Arab neighbours. The people you associate with don’t want peace, they want an end to the state of Israel and for those living there to be killed. What do you want? Peace or a bloodbath?

      Can you answer that without cutting and pasting?

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    • Israel is an illegal state i do not recognise, Jews can live happily under the state of Palestine, like Jews Christians and Muslims lived happily before Zionists came to Palestine, i have Some friends in “Israel” who are anarchists for Palestine, and do not even recognise “Israel”, but talking about Zionists that is a different story i do not condone killing anyone, but i do agree with Hamas, and no they do not say death to all Jews, get your facts straight anything put out about “jews” is propaganda by “Israel”.

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    • Saoirse: Can you tell me what Israel was called before 1918? Also, I’d advise you to read the Hamas Covenant. It seems you are the one that needs to get your facts straight. Of course there is no point trying to discuss such a situation with a creature as vile as you.

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    • Saoirse: Does it make you feel special to put Israel in quotes? Makes me laugh to see you do that in an attempt to delegitimize the state. On the other hand, the state you keep mentioning “Palestine” doesn’t exist in the legal sense. It never has existed.

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    • Saoirse Bennett/ lets forget how many Moslems kill other Moslemsm (Syria for example) and focus on the few terrorists that Israel kills and then PRETEND that they are not Jew haters. Works for you using idiotic words like GENOCIDE, hon.

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    • Saoirse Bennett
      You say that Hamas do not say death to all Jews. Have you read their charter? Try http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm or simply Google it for yourself.

      Whether or not you recognise Israel, you might as well say you don’t recognise Pakistan or India. Israel is a legally formed and constituted state, ratified by the United Nations in 1948 and previously agreed by the then Great Powers in 1922 under the League of Nations in San Remo. Jews have been continuously living in Jerusalem, Safat and Hevron since before the time of the first temple, so your non recognition is meaningless.

      I suggest you do some unbiased reading so you can get YOUR facts straight.

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  • So it is ok to nlock ship cartying food for dtarving families.

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  • Did not get part about stones, is killing civilians (also kids) with high tech and on mass scale is more humanitarian? Is gov licence to kill makes only one side murderers and terrorist? I’m not going deep perhaps, but analogy would be: “1900y, in Poland group of people protested at theater to stop english movie festival because English occupation of Ireland. Response from English fans: it shouldn’t be allowed because polish people should hear also english side of what is happening in Ireland.” hope bad grammary didn’t kill my point

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