Hear Hear!

Absolutely right – it was clear to anyone who spends any time on the Journal that it was systematically targeted during the referendum build-up by those of a certain political persuasion…

It won’t matter anyway. The Euro can’t survive the greed of the banker’s and the debt they are hiding.

At least we can look smug if we’re right

Nothing to be smug about – there’s a lot of pain coming down the tracks whichever way the vote went.
It was more about whether its a persistent dull ache or an excruciating but short-term pain…

@mattoid
That sounds about right unfortunately.

That’s because anybody with the smarts to get their news from the web and not from the state propaganda service would be immune to the state brainwashing. As TV news dies so will the power of propaganda, unless they turn off the web first

As mentioned on other posts this morning, students couldn’t get easy access to voting, emigrants forced to leave Ireland couldn’t vote or in other words the most likely group of citizens to vote NO had all the obstacles to overcome.

Be honest you don’t want a job, you want a hand out.

thats right Daniel, all 450,000 of us unemployed want to be on the dole….we just decided three years ago all at once that we would rather be lazy.. very clever i think ur on to us. Maybe its the 450,000 job vacancies that gave it way????????

Up the meds Danny! And by the way, the Meds aren’t a football team…

I hear you Simone, in the same boat!

Yes, because adding a clause into our constitution that we will not allow ourselves go into massive debt again is SUCH a loss of freedom…. quit the drama, actually read the document; we already agreed to the idea in Maastricht over a decade ago, because frankly, not ending up in massive debt is usually a good idea.

David why do we need Europe to stop us getting into debt again. Do you not think we should learn from the mistakes we made ourselves without Europe telling us?

Oh so that’s what this was all about? Well, yes. Technically. There might be a bigger picture though.

It means we are doomed to live within our means you mean, I mean. :)

And if we can’t live within our means we’ll be fined a very large sum of money on the money we’ll be forced to borrow until we start to live within our means, paying fines and interest is what this is about! Debt Debt Debt!

Inherent contradiction Lads – a lot of the yes comments are all about how we’ll have “access to funding”. That means borrowing.

One word for you. Naive.

One word for you Ed – ignorant

@Ed, wouldn’t suggest i’m naive. well read on the treaty. i’m not a campaigner, i just vote for myself and how i think i can best improve my own circumstances in my opinion (not anybody elses). then whatever way the vote goes, i get on with my life. i suggest you do the same. can be quite a liberating feeling.

50% don’t a damn. Of the rest, 60% don’t have a clue…

it could be run by Germans yet!!!!

Pencils all around where I voted but I knew this from previous referendums/elections and brought a permanent marker with me.

They answer this on ray darcy this morning.

Apparently pencils are “more reliable”, and also they keep the ballots in the basement of Leinster house, so If the ballots somehow get wet, pencil doesn’t run like ink would

Didn’t know that was the law. It’s been pencils every time I voted. However, I think the people doing the count are honest, and it would be easy to see if a vote had been tampered with even if it’s in pencil.

most likely will have no bearing on your decision. the “no” vote would note have fixed us, nor will the “yes” vote. we’re still tied up by the troika because we can’t fund ourselves, so your comment is a bit throwaway.

I didn’t see that option, say hi to Fidel when you get there!

Meanwhile we’ll have fun with our own homegrown Fiddle Fail and Fiddle the Gaels.

Delusional Raymond, completely delusional! The only thing this has ensured is a long road of kicking the can down the road further and further and no action taken to bring growth into the economy. Normal economics has economies spending and saving at different cycles. Whereas with this feck up of a treaty the Germans want us all to save at the one time, ie. stop any spending which is the life blood of our economy. When spending stops, which is my income, your income, the economy just stops and nothing will work. In my eyes the yes voters are just as bad as the banks, FF and now FG / Lab, it has condemned this country to hell!!

Take a look at McWilliams articles over the last number of weeks, it all makes perfect sense, this treaty is wrong on all levels. The link below is to his latest article but to get a full understanding you should go back through the archive previous 5 or 6 articles.

http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2012/05/31/the-fiscal-treaty-will-only-make-things-worse?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Davidmcwilliams+%28DavidMcWilliams.ie%29

Ireland great???? It’s a kip, and as long as we keep putting jumped up little teachers in power, it will remain a kip!

Would have thought if its a good result for the country will take a while to be seen?

Kevin, come back to us in a couple years from now so we can see you eating those words. The banksters in Europe couldn’t give a flying fun about our future.

The future’s bright, the future’s black, red and gold…

Jeez I’m glad you know everyone in the electorate

Nope. They wouldn’t have us. More like, welcome to the outer periphery of Europe. Biggest export: our people.

Promising an easy overnight return to 2006 is the way to win votes.

The no voters didn’t think that if the no vote won we would suddenly be free from recession, please read the blog and people’s opinions before making stupid assumptions!

I voted no but I wasn’t expecting a windfall and spending to start again.

As a yes voter what makes you think that Ireland will be able to access a fund that doesn’t exist yet? A fund where the 2 main sponsors of the fiscal treaty Germany & France have not ratified. A fund that to get to the €700 billion will mean Greece contributing €19 billion and Ireland contributing €11 billion, Portugal will also have to contribute something though I haven’t been able to find a figure for them yet. Those 3 countries have no money so where are they going to get the money? Italy is expected to contribute 18% and Spain 12% of the total fund. Both those countries are borrowing at over 6% on the markets for 10 year bonds. Do you really think they will borrow at those rates and then pay it into a fund that hands it out to countries in need at say 3%?

Another reason I voted no was because I could see no reason why the referendum had to take place so quickly as the treaty has only to be ratified by the end of the year. I guess we will find out shortly if there is a reason for the rush to have the referendum.

Me I think the real winners from the referendum are SF and the other hard leaning left parties / groups. That can be seen from the results of the votes and what areas voted yes / no.

The biggest loser of all ironically is Kenny. It will be a long time before people forget his refusal to debate the fiscal compact. FF are already using it as a stick to beet him.

That’s just silly. I voted no exactly because I don’t want the government to access another 36 billion of “bailout” funds. Wait and see.

what?