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Residents at Ballymun flats concerned over heating

Following two outages in the past month, tenants at the Shangan Road flats where mother-of-two Rachel Peavoy died of hypothermia are worried as winter approaches.

File photo of a Ballymun tower.
File photo of a Ballymun tower.
Image: Photocall Ireland

AS WE HEAD towards another cold winter, residents at the flats in Ballymun are becoming increasingly worried about the quality of their buildings’ heating systems.

Some residents on the Shangan Road have told TheJournal.ie that they are concerned that temperatures will plummet in their homes over the next four months.

Fears grew over the past two weeks as Dublin City Council had to turn off the heating for two days to fix technical problems that had been observed.

The council said both of these shutdowns – on Thursday, 20 October and Thursday, 13 October – were “scheduled” and tenants were notified.

However, the incidents have raised anxiety amongst those who remain in the flats. Many people have left the buildings over the past number of years as part of the area’s regeneration plans. As a result multiple apartments lie empty and this is contributing to lower temperatures and heating difficulties.

Local TD Dessie Ellis was in contact with DCC staff following the heating outage last week.

“The maintenance has slowed down considerably,” he said after the issue was raised with his office. “Part of this is due to staff not being replaced and resources getting thinner.”

“It is not unusual, it shouldn’t be the case but it is not something that is done deliberately,” Ellis explained.

However, some residents disagree. One tenant told TheJournal.ie that many perceive the lack of upkeep at Shangan Road as an attempt to make life less hospitable in order to force the remaining residents to leave the block.

According to another of the block’s habitants, the lighting on the stairs is damaged, as are some of the elevators, which is contributing to a lesser standard of living.

De-tenanting

As families clear out of the flats, DCC has replaced the Ballymun Boiler House with plant rooms in each of the six remaining blocks.

“All heating services are provided to the re-equipped plant rooms from containerised boiler plants located in front of each block,” the council said in a statement to TheJournal.ie.

The heating at the flats is now turned on between 6am and 11pm. In severe weather conditions, the heating can be turned on to run for 24 hours a day, said the council.

Fr Peter McVerry, a social campaigner in the area, said anxiety remains following the death of Rachel Peavoy in January 2010. The 30-year-old mother of two died of hypothermia while in her council flat. A verdict of death by misadventure was returned by a Dublin coroner earlier this year.

Fr McVerry, who lived at a flat adjacent to Ms Peavoy, told TheJournal.ie that he believes the council have learnt from her death.

“I have no concerns about the heating this year,” he said. “The incidents this month were out of the control of the DCC and residents were informed.”

However, he conceded that the heating service will not be as good as it traditionally was because of the amount of empty spaces in the blocks.

There are still a substantial number of residents at the Shangan Road flats as some choose to remain in their homes during the regeneration of the blocks.

The council have made offers of flats in a different location to those residents who are waiting for their new houses, which are being delivered as part of the regeneration plans. However, some occupants have been waiting for up to four years to be moved.

The long wait for new homes is understandably increasing people’s anxiety, concluded Ellis.

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Comments (49 Comments)

  • If I knock my heating off in my house that I’m paying for , will the local authority pay for my heating this winter from the taxes I’ve paid for the last 20 years… the phrase “I don’t think so” comes to mind

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  • If I were in this position, and rightly worried about freezing in my home at night, I’d pop down to Argos and get a cheap thermostatically-controlled electric heater.

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  • I think what is really sad about all the comments is that there are genuinely people out there who are really suffering in social housing, who try day in, day out to really make a go of it and really do struggle, i begrudge them nothing, This is why we have social housing and try to help, but because this country is so full of scroungers, scammers, fraudsters, and those who take those weekly allowance and rather / have to to spend it on drugs or drink rather than heat or food, they are ruining it for those who are most affected , I get all the tax payers footing the bill comments, it grates me to a crazy degree, but I do really feel for those who try and suffer and hope we can separate it or we will become a society of social snobs.

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  • I hope they don’t have to suffer needlessly, it’s one of those things that is easily fixed and can potentially save someone’s life. I know tenants are probably fond of their own flats, but given that apparently many lie unused contributing to coldness could they not all move in to the lowest available flats so they can keep one another warm…? I know it shouldn’t have to come to that anyway, but it’s certainly a practical solution.

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  • Do any of you have any idea how cold the flats get once the heating goes? The flats were built with slabs of solid pre-cast concrete. No insulation at all, as someone pointed out earlier. When BRL were building the Axis centre, the builders sliced through the piping that supplied Shangan Road and Avenue with heat and hot water.The cold that filled those flats was like nothing I’ve ever felt before or since. It seeped through our clothing and went bone deep, to the point where we ended up having to send our three children to their grandparents so they could keep warm.

    I’d really like to see any of the people here saying that the residents should buy small heaters, or use extra layers of clothing/duvets actually come out here and sit in a freezing cold flat for a few days. I know of people who resorted to putting their ovens on for hours on end to get some heat into them, or keep tumble driers running. Please don’t judge all of us who live in Ballymun; not all of us are work shy, or junkies, or big drinkers. Not all of us have kids who hang around and cause trouble. The minority give the majority a bad name.

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    • Well said Trisha. It is very unfair to have sweeping generalisations dumped upon you and other Ballymun residents just because of people’s inbuilt prejudices and the actions of the few. All I can do is advise you wholeheartedly to do whatever it takes to keep you and your family warm this winter.

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    • Well said, but ignorance is classless, as some of these comments have showed and our comments will be wasted on these twits

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  • good to see dessie ellis on the job, he has the engineering experience to get it sorted himself. he might have a word with his colleague over in Priory hall also

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  • some of the comments made on here are pathetic, i live in private housing with a mortgage same as many of u but i regularly visit my girlfriend and her family in the flats, ive been cold in my own home before and duvets,extra layers etc help but nothing prepared me for the cold in those flats when the heating goes,u are talking about flats with no isolation and single pane windows. unless u have experienced life in those flats u really dont have any idea what your talking about. the majority of residents are good honest people who work hard for what they have, surely if they are paying for heating which is an additional cost to the rent then they should be provided it. If you or me pay our heating bill we get heating, if it breaks and we complain it gets fixed these people deserve the same, their not junkies or scum bags like some of you seem to think. Im also glad so many people found it amusing about the lifts and lights being broken, residents with disabilities, young children or elderly people not being able to use a lift is not funny, nor is young women being attacked on darkened staircases.to make matters worse currently residents are without water of any kind since sunday. To all of the put on another jumper crowd out there, I suggest you spend your winter with your heating off and just put on another jumper and see how long you last.

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  • Bloody freezing at the moment. Any chance of the council sending somebody down to clean out my stove, go out to the turf shed in the howling wind and rain and stick a fire on for me?

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  • Eskimos never die of the cold.
    If the heating goes off put on more clothes.
    No brainer.

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  • I have nothing but respect for peter mcverry, especially the work he did for homeless kids arround Ballymun when the state did nothing( well apart from a few concerned politicios who searched the phoenix park high and low looking for them!)
    I am now like most people, trying to work twice as hard just to stay still, if we get sick and cant work we are on our own. Somedays we just feel like throwing it all in, walk away from our responsibilities and letting the state change our lightbulbs this morning. I am very sorry for that poor girl who died. From what I remember about the case she was on some sort of meds that confused her body temperature and she wasnt aware that she was in danger of hypothermia. I know for a fact that many old people will be suffering from hypothermia because they will not ask for help because of the lack of support!

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  • While the heating should be working, there is little things that residents can do to ensure they are warm enough..add an extra layer or 2 of clothes…cover windows and stuff them if they arent closing properly…those little heaters arent all that expensive to run…and adding an extra duvet to the bed does wonders too…as for hot water..its easy enough to put on a kettle of water…im quite aware that this isnt ideal but when needs must..

    As for older people, it really disgusts me that people are so far removed that they cant help their neighbour or family member, its not that hard!!!!

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  • I hope those pesky tax payers don’t keep wrecking the lights, lifts etc.

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  • Danny D 31/10/11 #

    Not terrified enough to pay their own bills, can’t be that bad so…

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  • A jumper is no use to you when you can feel the cold in your bones. It’s no use when you’ve got icicles on the INSIDE of your windows. And it’s certainly no use to a seven month old child who, despite wearing several layers of clothing and blanket is still crying from the cold.

    If it was as easy to solve the problem by putting on a jumper, then maybe Rachel Peavoy wouldn’t have died. DCC and BRL have a lot to answer for, but as always, it’s the decent people in Ballymun who end up having to deal with their incompetence and other people’s prejudices.

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  • The funny thing is that I think dublin corporation are still exempted from the laws that govern private landlords in regards to rental properties.

    Some of the comments on here at least serve to remind me that when it comes to tragedies like natural disasters , chip pan fires and road accidents that many people in this country will be no great loss to humanity anyway.

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  • I think there are people on here who base their comments on the fact they heard the word Ballymun. Smart arse comments of “put another jumper on”or “get an electrical heater” are simply plain ignorance and stupidity. People leaving negative and childish comments shouldn’t really be on hear having a decent discussion. Being from Ballymun and being a proud to be so, we get used to small minded tripe and being tarred with the same brush repeatedly. These people that still live in the flats have the exact same rights as everyone else. Ok, if we live in a house and our heating goes, we throw on an extra jumper or a blanket. When you are 50 to 70ft feet up in a concrete shell its a completely different prospect. I want to echo Trisha’s comments. We are not all junkie, workshy and big drinkers. People leaving negative comments on here are probably doing so out of smugness or are simply trying to piss people off. Its not clever.

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  • Randy, if I could afford to pay a mortgage like you, I would. As it stands, I can’t which is why I live where I do. Living in council housing doesn’t mean that people like me are any worse or any better than you.

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  • So as far as you’re concerned Martin, the people of Ballymun should freeze in their flats this winter, because they don’t deserve the basics their landlord (DCC) should provide to them by law? Once the tenants are paying their weekly rent, and therefore paying DCC for their services, ie heating and hot water,they should be given those services.

    The view from your ivory tower must be stunning.

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  • BJ 31/10/11 #

    ‘Exclusive’

    LMAO

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  • you what you paid for

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  • Why is it so difficult to put on a jumper when you are up 70 ft?

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  • @Burned Toast: I’m lucky. I got my house four years ago, but there’s plenty of other people who are still waiting on their houses to either be built or have issues with pyrite in them sorted out. Whatever the problem, shouldn’t it be a basic human right to have your housing authority to ensure that you have decent living conditions? It’s not as if the tenants aren’t paying for their heating; the charge for heat and hot water is included in the means tested rent.

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  • Wear more jumpers..jeeze

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  • @ burned toast. All well and good but those heaters are v expensive to run and it’s another expense that these people can’t afford to have. And it’s the principle of it. They shouldn’t have to buy heaters because their standard of living is substandard

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  • you asked the question “shouldn’t it be a basic human right to have your housing authority to ensure that you have decent living conditions?”

    The answer is NO.

    View not so good from my living quarters, but i dont expect anybody else to rectify the situation.

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  • do I think the heating should be working? Yes, of course, I am skeptical of it happening…by me saying use heaters, duvets add extra layers of clothes im not trying to be degrading, never been in the flats of ballymun to be honest but I still dont see how ading extra clothes or stuffing windows wouldnt help? No-one wants to see another tragedy like Rachel, but Ive got a feeling the residents are going to have to proactive :(

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    • Laura, when I lived there we regularly had to stop traffic on the main road to get the corporation to turn the heating back on.

      The residents did wear all thier clothes in and out of bed, and did have all the holes etc blocked up and electric heaters where possible, but when its -20 inside its very hard to live in those conditions. Heating is paid for and as such should be supplied. If you pay for a car and didnt get it would you be happy.

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    • Sue, of course I wouldnt be happy if I wasnt getting what I’m supposed to get….of course the heating should be on, of course everybody should have proper living conditions…but the reality is what if they dont fix the heating…would none of the suggestions that people mad emake any difference?

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