Professional recommendation – Hospital staff required on team for best report results. Options:

1 Exclude them from team due to possible family sensitivities – best practice not followed, cue public backlash calls for new inquiry
2 Follow Professional recommendation

Family refuse to co-operate. Options:

1 Persist with Inquiry, family boycott it, huge public backlash inevitable
2 Hold firm, argue point, and if opposition persists make the change, cue public backlash
3 Take swift action, accede to family request…

Sometimes you really just can’t win. Damn Government.

What professional recommendation Eel?

What happened to the HSE’s claim that they were working closely with the family on the panel and it’s terms of reference?

If that is the HSE’s idea of working closely with the family and they didn’t ‘hear’ the basic criteria required by the family – one would wonder what else they wouldn’t ‘hear’

Oh absolutely, but the inquest will not be held for some time yet.

Katie , while this needs thorough investigation , in the interests of impartiality it may be wise to also remove Prof Arulkamaran from the inquiry team as he is president elect of the International Federation of Gynecology & Obstetrics (FIGO) , a radical pro-abortion group who have vested interests with International Planned Parenthood (the abortion queens of the west) , there can be no fair and balanced outcome while this man who has a bias in favour of abortion leads the team.

QED

Les do you have a clue what you are talking about? The Minister isn’t involved in this enquiry at all and has no say on who is selected for it. Again why let the facts get in the way of a great populist statement.

Red thumb away by all means. Given the lack of knowledge shown by many of the commentators here I see them as a badge of honour!

So the government aren’t involved in the inquiry. Was that not enda kenny announcing a change of personal.

No it wasn’t Barry. Here’s the pertinent section in the article above.

“Earlier today the HSE said it was re-examining the make-up of the seven-person investigation team. The statement came after a lawyer for the Halappanavar family told RTÉ’s Today with Pat Kenny that Praveen had no faith in the process and would not cooperate with it.”

No mention of the Taoiseach there. The Taoiseach was asked a question by the leader of the Opposition about the make up of the group and he responed with the information that he had. Exactly how does that prove that he was involved in the decision? By the way would you have been happy if when the question had been asked the Taoiseach said he wasn’t going to comment on it? No, you’d have been screaming about his unwillingness to answer a question.

In fairness to Les, the article states clearly that “the Minister required the HSE not to have any consultants from GUH on the investigating team”

Take slight offence to that. It may be a typical HSC or government policy but the Irish people have turned out in huge numbers to support this family and a full independent investigation

It will only be perceived as biased by those who don’t like the findings as with all enquiries.

Well that’s quite silly. If there’s a major screw-up in your place of work; should your employer have no hand in investigating what happened? Should they not aim to seek out the problems and attempt to address them?

It’s an internal inquiry.. they take place all the time and in all areas of the public and private sectors. It doesn’t mean that no other inquiry can or will take place subsequent to or alongside it.

As for the ‘waste of public money’ comment.. surely there are more pressing things to be concerned about right now? If the inquiry can help to identify the inadequacies in the system, or any potential misconduct by the staff involved; and reduce the chances of a similar thing happening again in future then it will be money well spent.

Seriously, most people seem to have their minds made up about who is responsible.. so why bother with any investigations at all? Let’s just sack or lock-up those that we feel deserve to be punished based on our own misinformed suppositions /s

It amazes me how many people naively think hosp consultants are somehow beyond reproach. The current system is consultant led ergo the consultant is responsible from a medico-legal perspective. They will collude to protect themselves

Yes. We have a child like faith in authority in this country.

I have to agree and was sorry to see it change. the sisters where strict and hospitals appeared cleaner too.

fully agree the sisters had their finger on the pulse and ran a tight ship that also appeared cleaner too.

fully agree the sisters had their finger on the pulse and ran a tight ship that also appeared cleaner too.

agree the sisters done a great job with a lot less

agree the sisters done a great job with a lot less

Yeah, and they made sure women fulfilled their god-given purpose by having 10 and 12 children and were not going about having tubal ligations or being advised about contraception or any of that filthy stuff. And they prevented caesarian sections that might see them having to curtail their families, favouring instead the symphysiotomy.

Give me a break. Whatever the faults of our current health system (and they are many) a return to hospitals run directly by the Catholic church could definitely NOT be seen as an improvement.

Paddy and Tom. It is our catholic influenced ‘pro life’ constitutional amendment from the 80′s which interferes with best medical practice when it comes to dealing with a pregnancy that runs into difficulty….and you are saying it was better when the nuns were in charge? The catholic church and ethos has a lot to answer for.

He probably want them as witnesses not overseers

I got the impression he would not cooperate with the inquiry as it stood (with three staff members from the hospital she died in making up part of the inquiry team).

He also wants it public and transparent…. He wants everything above board.