Get a job.

Get in touch with reality Hayes!

If I could, I would. But without experience they’re thin on the ground, unfortunately.

Where # Michael if you know any one thats hiring please post here. THERE ARE NO JOBS OUT THERE FOR STUDENTS. We have tried :(

What job?

There’s one for ye – SATURDAY JOBS FOR STUDENTS.
Chatterboxes required for outdoor fundrasing promotions, this january in dublin city centre , are you a student with a bit of free time at the weekends , if so we want to hear from you , are you a good talker and would enjoy working as part of a team , with people of your own age, this part time job , may suit students that want to earn a bit of extra cash at the weekends , top earnings paid , for more imfo contact david on 086 8888 101.

2 mins work on gumtree

Never mind the moaners Cíara . Yes of course there will always be a percentage of wealthier students who don’t have to rely on grant aid just in order to survive. I can clearly see the major downturn in the studenty bars here in Tralee. A few years ago many students would go out a few nights a week, now it’s the same few heads and the bars are almost empty. It’s quite obvious that the level of poverty among students is rife. Part-time work almost non-existent and parents with a lot less cash also. Too many need that grant to stay warm now.

Yes Michael, I’m sure that job in Dublin for January will be very useful to students studying in MAYO. Get a grip.

So what your saying #Michael is my son should travel from Galway to Dublin for a few hours work on a saturday. Ok then that makes sense.

@CABK. Complaining about a lack of jobs for students in Mayo is like moving to the desert and complaining there’s no water.

I’m fed up with this rubbish myself Ciara.
I’m a mature student, I just about manage.
There’s young lads who I spend my day with sipping on tap water instead of eating, I’ve never seen them eat.
They don’t look healthy and they’re not doing it for fun.
Being a student now is a very different experience than “the old days”. Things are much tougher now.

@Michael Hayes – how easy is it for you to sit there and tell students in financial difficulty to go out and get a job?! I was lucky to be able to work through college and lucky to have parents in a position to support me when needed. I really appreciated how lucky I was in that regard, in particular when I saw so many around me not able to afford simple things during college. I’m sure the overwhelming majority of students would get themselves a part time if they could, but the reality is there is a tiny amount of such jobs and a massive amount of students in need of same.

Ciara, I know your pain. Let’s face it, it doesn’t take long for the stereotypes of drunken students to be rolled out. I wonder is it from those who have zero insight into the reality of student life for some? When I was through college I was frequently left short of the grant until well into February and it was next to impossible to get by. I’ve never drank by the way!
The people who throw that stereotype around probably know full well that it refers to a certain element of the student population, obviously with greater resources at their disposal.
Michael, I presume your ‘stop whinging and get a job’ mantra is just an attempt to be deliberately provocative to get attention? Job done. T’would be an interesting turn of events indeed if all our third level students bailed out and joined the un/employment lines :-)

I’m giving you one example. Heres 3 for Galway that took all of 2 mins again to find on jobs.ie –

Hotel Receptionist (Casual Part Time), Galway Harbour Hotel.

Door to Door Galway!…up to €17 per hour .Concern

College Students Wanted.. Part Time Positions Available. Simple Sales and Marketing.

In Mayo.

Sales Assistant and merchandiser. The Horkan Group

There, just proved if your lazy kids got off there arses they’d find a job.

I worked all through college. It’s character-building. I still have that very same job as I search for a primary school teaching position; it helps me stay independent and gives me something to show I can keep commitments (because I’ve been working there three years now). The hours are great because they’re so flexible; I work with people who have disabilities every weekend and some weekday evenings to ensure I can pay my rent and bills. Then I get substitute work or busk around Cork to make ends meet. I also find time to volunteer with a local charity, and I’m starting an evening class this week.

Students; studying is well and good but seeing as it’s become just a necessary move to get any sort of employment whatsoever, you might as well work during college. Anyone can do it. It’s just the spoiled rich ones who don’t mind depending on mom and dad who don’t have to do it.

Tell you what Michael – as you seem to have the talent to Google jobs at a whim why don’t you set up an agency and find gainful work for the 300k+ unemployed. You would be a multi-millionaire with those type of talents!

#Micheal Hayes so you think that because my son hasn’t managed to get a job as advertised hes “lazy” well he has applied for countless jobs and when you get to be a big boy you’ll realise that just because a job is advertised that there is not an automatic entitlement to it just because you apply. Harsh i know but welcome to the real world. Thats a serious chip on your shoulder there mick. That college education is not doing much for your humanitarian streak is it.

@John Well personally I feel the 300k should sweep the streets and preform community service for their dole but that’s neither here nor there. I’m not suggesting there’s 300,ooo jobs but there’s certainly enough for all those earnestly trying to gain employment.

@Kathy I’ve been in the same position as everyone else. I’m in first year myself and in September I sent out 50 odd C.V’s, got about 5 replies thanking me and two interviews. Got one of the jobs and do about 20-25 hours p/w. My brothers 2 years older and got 2 new jobs last semester after travelling for a year.

It’s not as easy to get a job as it was 10years ago when I was in college, When I was working part time while in college I could leave a job on the Sunday and have a new one by the following weekend, all these part time jobs are filled now and there isn’t the same space for students in the deli counters or doing till work etc.

Michael if you were posting job details to actually help someone find a job, I’d respect that. But it seems you’re only doing it to prove a point. Your ”get a job comment” is fairly facile and doesn’t contribute anything.

You’ve just proved there are jobs out there. No-one is disputing that but the reality is that the demand for jobs far exceeds the supply. It’s relatively easy to find job ads but nowhere near as easy to hear a response from employers, let alone be selected for an interview. Unfortunately employers can be very demanding and seek those with years of experience over those with none which creates a vicious circle.

Just because someone doesn’t have a job doesn’t mean they’re not doing their utmost to find one!

@ Eoin Dineen – I totally agree, it’s very hard to get a reply let alone a job. @Ciara Molloy has the right idea about doing free experience, I did the same thing in TY. My problem is with the people who seem to think looking for a job entitles you to one or say, and I quote @Kathy Dowd “THERE ARE NO JOBS OUT THERE FOR STUDENTS. We have tried”. There are, not many, but there are some. Just try harder (not suggesting your not trying very hard anyway but everyone can always do more)

Lol Micheal! I remember applying for jobs like those ten years ago! Bar the receptionist job, the reg of them will likely COST you money! “Sales Rep” often meaning you buy off us and sell this cheap tacky crap/make up to others door to door! U need friends mate!

@Brendan Why were you applying for jobs like that when you were 30 (judging by your receding hairline)? I need friends? You don’t know anything about me other than I comment on the Journal (like you) and am not sympathetic to left wing entitleists’ like yourself.

AWW Now #michael your contradicting your self there. It takes a good memory to be a good liar. I think you’ll find you said students were “lazy” for not finding work to which i pointed out that just because someone applies for a job does not automatically entitle them to it. NOW your saying that i said that my son should be entitled to a job just because he has applied TUT TUT Michael ever thought of a career in politics.

@Kathy you say “NOW your saying that i said that my son should be entitled to a job just because he has applied”. Where do I say this exactly?
And the lazy ones are the ones who don’t bother even looking, I fully empathize with anyone genuinely looking but it’s my experience that there aren’t a lot of those sort of people.

I think you’ll find that you said and i quote:
“My problem is with the people who seem to think looking for a job entitles you to one or say, and I quote @Kathy Dowd “THERE ARE NO JOBS OUT THERE FOR STUDENTS. We have tried”.
Reading not going to well at college either mick jeasus you’ll be luck to pass you’d better hold on to that part-time job real tight.

I reckon Michael is a part time model. Fine pose he has there.

@Kathy – Maybe you don’t understand what a contradiction is. It come from the latin “contra” meaning against and “dictio” to say, this case meaning “to go against the said”. I think you’ll find a) My problem is with the people who seem to think looking for a job entitles you to one and b) students are lazy for not finding work do not contradict eachother.

Michael i think you’ll find that. A) You’re right about the “DICKTO” hope my spelling is up to scratch :) B) Clearly you have nothing better to do but “contra” every thing that any one says on this subject. I hope that you always have the blinkered perspective that you have how. I hope that in maybe 25years your not working every hour god sends to ensure that you’re child can avail of something that was unavailable to you, something that was given to others because of privilige or social status. Keep the faith mick cause you’re in for a shock when you get into the real world.

And what about all of the students who aren’t in college in Dublin?

Why didnt you just take out a loan as an advance for your grant?

Again, the exception and not the rule.

You know it too.

I’d agree with you about the plague that dwell on our streets. If you spend all your cash on drink, fine, but don’t expect us to then subsidize your hostel.

Completely agree with you. A lot of what they are doing seems to be pushing people to either protest or leave the country. This looks very good for them as they can say the unemployment is decreasing.

That’s a very sweeping statement! As is this! And this! And this! Etc.

I done my leaving cert too.

That should have read ‘Galway and Mayo’.

According to the latest IMF report over 30% of people in and around my age are unemployed. I’ve been jobseeking since my leaving cert ended in June ’12. It’s not a black and white issue.

No, you’re not. But unfortunately, there’s not many places hiring without experience. I’ve offered to work in pubs for a week for free to train, but they won’t when there’s people with experience going on. Handed in a CV to a spar shop, it was only when walking in I saw that they wanted “minimum three years experience”

Amen brother. Turn off auto-entitlement and shuffle their arses to the employment line.

“Minimum 3 yrs experience”

That’s more of the “my ass is covered if I don’t like the look of you” shite.

Yeah, I agree that some are ridiculous with the experience they require. You could run a Spar with 3 years experience. Basing my statements on my friends who complain but literally do nothing to get a job. Well all I can say is chin up and good luck, just keep throwing them C.V’s out and maybe use some poetic license?

I am a 4th year student and I have to agree with you Michael, I first handed out CV’s in summer 2010 and got 2 part time job offers that would fit perfectly around college, I kept one of the jobs for 2 years then handed out more CVs at the end of the summer just gone and got 2 more full time job offers, given they were in hospitality i.e. waitressing but there is nothing wrong with it, I find, in my own experience of talking to people who complain of no money/work that there are jobs there to be had just they are not willing to stoop so low as to work in a minimum wage job serving someone else…I know its harsh but thats my experiance

before I get hated on I do understand it also depends on where you are in college, I am in a city so probably easier to get a job there then in some of the smaller towns that have colleges :)

Aoife I have cousins like you always had jobs in uni when other people wouldn’t take them up because they were demeaning. They got jobs straight out of college because they had a good employment record. I hope this is the case with you. I do feel your right about smaller towns having colleges though it is a bit harder there.

Had to say it looks like the enjoying your holiday in that photo….

I am fortunate enough to have a few years retail experience so it wasn’t hard for me to get a job when I started college however most people I know didn’t have jobs in secondary school and went straight to college, as did I, but haven’t been able to get jobs because they have no prior experience. I agree that it’s worth trying to get a weekend job but its not all that easy at the moment.

WHAT RUBBISH. My son is at college and only got his grant recently. We (my husband and i) have gone without to ensure that he remains in college he doesnt qualify for the full grant before you start about entitlements. My other children have also felt the pinch during this disaster that is called SUSI. We managed to cover his rent and send down as much food as we could gather for him.THERE WAS NO MONEY FOR DRINK. Not every student is pissing it up. Well done GMIT for helping out these struggeling students.

What an absolute diagrace and a real microcosm of where we are as a supposed advanced,modern country!
We have a Public Service Executive/Administration sector big enough to run a country like China, yet we are left with absolutely ridiculous situations like this. Embarassing!

Garlic Bread?

That’s the future that is…

Seriously though, should be giving them staples like rice & pasta.

Give them scratch ingredients & teach them how to cook. Will be better for them in the long run.

I go to DKIT and they did this too, however they did provide staple foods like rice, pasta, potatoes, beans and tea bags etc.

Hey Kathy,

Not everyone is like you.

He’s right.

No, he’s not. And you sure aren’t.

The point is that this new quango has failed. It does not do what it says on the tin.

Now, that means either it was poorly resourced to begin with or its management and staff are incompetent.

Either way, there will be no consequences for those who conceived it or those who are running it in such a disgracefully in competent way.

All you private enterprise heads regularly bloviating on here: WTF would happen to a private startup founded in 2011 but which could not deliver a decent service to its customers, or even process their orders, 16 months later?

* incompetent — of course!

A lot of students wouldn’t be eligible for the grant because of their parents incomes or they are in employment. Students who do rely on the grant, the people in receipt of these food parcels, would have very little money to cause carnage with.

Some students have Mammies and Daddies, with high paying jobs in the PS or politics(frontline staff excluded). Then there is the spoilt brats of wealthy parents, taking advantage of tax loopholes and very low corporation taxes. They’re the ones you see out, living it up most nights and some have jobs also!

Give it to the homeless and not the students? You do know why most people are homeless don’t you? Usually Alcohol and drugs related! So which is more deserving?

Not all students of wealthy parents are brats.

Generalizing again. The people who are saying this obviously never went to college. Chris Massey, have you taken note of every student you have seen every night of the week? Are these the same group of students going out 7 nights a week? Or are they separate groups going out 1 night a week each? How long are they staying out for? We need to know specifics, stop bloody generalizing.

I did go to college John and I worked to pay my way, that’s why I have a gripe with those few who moan and complain about grants yet they still manage to go on the piss and act the idiots. Generalisation perhaps but that’s my general bloody opinion.

To be fair with everyone complaining about how badly Ireland’s been hit by the recession and people have no money, people can still afford to go out on a Friday and Saturday night. Why should students be any different.

You are aware if they burned the bondholders people with savings accounts would be burned to? Under the law they’re both lending to the bank and are hence both creditors. So which is it, burn them all or pay them all because you can’t have it both ways.

Its not an either or situation. Mostly secondary bond holders like Roman Abramovich who it was reported bought Anglo bonds at ten or 20% of face value on the secondary market and then managed to get full price for them from our government.

Michael Hayes you espouse austerity for students but socialism for the big banks. A little mixed up in your priorities perhaps?

No, I would have (illegally under eu law) payed whatever cash was there to depositors at an equal % and said f*ck off to the bondholders. At that point we would never be able to borrow on the international markets so I would have balanced the budget immediately, causing even worse austerity then now.
That’s the socialist policy.

Are you just bitter that young adults these days have the chance to go to college and better themselves and be able to go anywhere in the world they want and use that education to get a good job?

Aw Vinny where do you get off saying silly things like that? I hope you never go hungry.