So she gets more of the dole than being a waitress, it’s a no-brainer come on folks. What’s her other choice, go back to Poland to live in poverty or get the dole here, the money she’s talking about she gets is very low, come on folks You’d do it too. In addition the audacity of any politician who’s in government now to criticise this girl considering the savage cuts there inflicting on everyone. I say fair play to her. Dziekujey

I cant comment…?????…too much to say

@Damien Doherty: You are paying your taxes to allow Civil Servants big pensions and a nice life style.

You just have to be careful you do not allow them to create fictitious stories and deflect your attention away from they’re ill gotten gains.

I have it on very (VERY) good authority that this story is fictitious as is ‘Magda’ Really Irish people, can you not use your minds? Sometimes I despair for your future, you believe everything…incredible.

Don’t be ridiculous Thomas. While there are some people who prefer to go on the dole rather than work there are plenty of people out there on the dole who would jump at the chance for any sort of work. You are a disgrace with your “fair play to her” comment. Maybe the majority of us wouldn’t have the burden of paying high taxes and our country wouldn’t be in the shitter if attitudes like this didn’t exist. Her dole should be stopped.

Oddly enough the very same newspaper reported a fictitious story a few years back about a 70+ yr old publican marry a beautiful young 23 yr old Polish girl. Coincidentally another ‘Magda’ both the publican and fictitious Magda had to later admit it was a fairytale.

You have minds, think
You have eyes, see
You have a country, save it

@JustDieter – The stupidity in your comment is revealed by you ridiculing some people here for believing one source of information when there is no obvious incentive for falsifying such a story. You get on your high horse and act like the enlightened one because you have heard something to the contrary. Don’t waste your time despairing for our future just reveal your source and open a sensible debate or stop being a complete and utter clown.

Fictitious Publican and Magda were also from Donegal. See the pattern? I predict the next story will be how poorly paid Irish politicians are and how millions of Polish on the dole receiving huge childrens allowance payments are lounging on deckchairs along the sand dunes of tropical Costa Del Courtown.

Your naivety whilst sweet and cute at times is also incredibly irritating Ireland. I see now why your politicians mock you and play with your futures, effortlessly.

Michael, why I wonder would such a story be propagated to the Irish people? It does not take someone of superior intellect or enlightenment to see the motive. Yes, although I have read the original article my friend (I speak Polish fluently) and I have ex colleagues working for that particular tabloid like publication you are of course the one who sees all so clearly :)… Michael, have a nice day

@JustDieter – Yeah, those Donegal politicians even have their evil tentacles in the pockets of Polish newspapers. Oh wise one, oracle, god among men please reveal how we may save our little country.

“A fool sees not the same tree that a wise man sees.”
William Blake

What is with all the fuss here?

Someone gets dole that everyone is entitled to.

If you got more on the dole would you be working?

LoyalIrishCitizen is right – it’s a mere deflection away from the outrageous expense claims and allowances still awash throughout the upper levels of the Civil Service. Why oh why oh why do TD’s get laundry allowances ON TOP of their salary? Even ‘Magda’ doesn’t get laundry allowances.

Congratulations @JustDieter!

a). you are extremely enlightened
b). you speak Polish fluently
c). you have a Ph.D in Gobshiteism

Fact: Many people abuse the social welfare system (Irish and foreign nationals) – this is not news.
Fact: This article source is a Polish newspaper (why would such an article be planted in a foreign newspaper to distract from Irish politicians bloated pay and benefits).
Fact: We all already know that politicians here are creaming it (how would this article make us believe otherwise)

It seems your name is befitting in that you are indeed a dieter – in common sense!

“I have a mind to join a club and beat you over the head with it.”
Groucho Marx

Well Mr Quinn. May I respectfully suggest you read the actual article in the Polish press and you’ll discover its context and provenance and how the Irish Indo has used the quotes to make their own story…

Begob Deiter your a fella with a strange insight into our peculiar Irish ways.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1238339/Pensioner-72-forced-postpone-wedding-29-year-old-Polish-fianc-e-SHE-fell-ill.html

LoyalIrish
Can you amend your comment to ”higher civil servants”. Thanks :)
I agree with all else you have said and usually say .

I would do Michael but I don’t speak Polish and Google Translate wouldn’t do the article justice. I am commenting purely on @JustDieters comments related to the article posted here.

I don’t care whether the article is falsified for sensationalist journalistic requirements or whether it should be taken with a pinch of salt or whether it is true as the point is that such people who are happy to exist on the dole do exist in our society. To me it isn’t important where they originated from but that they exist when there are people out there struggling to make ends meet. We hear of story after story of people in financial ruin and there are plenty of people who are burdening state and consequently the people who are out there working hard for themselves and their families. If these attitudes didn’t exist we would have far less problems in society. There are also people who legitimately need welfare payments to feed their families and the scroungers will inevitably cause a reduction in their much needed payments.

For what it is worth though I really don’t think an article was planted in a Polish newspaper to distract us from the fact that politicians are milking the system. That is another article entirely!

I might agree with you Michael – maybe it hasn’t been planted, but it’s certainly being USED by a politician.

@Eileen Gabbett: Give me your accounts and then I can amend the comment.

I think most people understand that it is the pensions displayed in the news I was referring to.

LoyalIrish
Thanks:)
not all people would know this …..
Just saying like !!!

To summarize the original article for the very intelligent and not at all naive Mr Michael Quinn

The girl is trying to start her own business
Her hobby is surfing
Her husband works full time
She did not say Ireland or Donegal is a shi**ole
There is nothing about a sign language course or golf

A lovely Polish journalist on the John Murray show has also explained that the article that originally appeared in the Polish newspaper and which was quoted by the Irish Independent was completely mistranslated, and she didn’t say 1/4 of what they said she said.

I am also reliably informed that the original article is fake.

Regardless, the real point here is the reaction and how gullible Irish people are when it comes to the media or indeed propaganda…i.e Lisbon Treaty, EU, Five Point Plan, 650 million welfare fraud although in the budget it miraculously decreased to 40 million which is on a par with the rest of Europe etc etc

See!!!

“the Polish newspaper and which was quoted by the Irish Independent was completely mistranslated, and she didn’t say 1/4 of what they said she said.”

“I am also reliably informed that the original article is fake.”

Make up your mind JustDieter! The article either is fake or mistranslated and misquoted.

Shock Horror. The Indo pretty much made it up or a lesson in don’t use Google Translate.

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2012/02/01/ouch-2/

The quality that we normally associate with the Sunday Indo. is creeping in to the weekly version.

A, The article printed in the Irish newspaper is almost completely made up
B, The original article was a ‘space filler’ penned by a journalist who has a sister residing in Donegal. Quite a common occurrence actually.

My dear naive friend, you are embarrassing yourself more than you realize, but that is ok, so do I more often than not. If I am a clown, you are the court jester and not a very intelligent one at that. I suspect you also believe in the tooth fairy and leprechauns?

People like Michael Quinn are lost, time is too far gone for those like him. However, most Irish people are not so naive and ignorant. It seems there is a collective blindness and acceptance of lies in media, politics et al, but this will change, sooner rather than later. The consequences of which are frightening but inevitable.

@Michael Quinn aka the Intelligent and all knowing one. I have a mind and it is made up, you it seems that you have neither a mind of your own and you are ‘made up’ a perfect reproduction of the stereotypical caricature of the sheep who follows blindly and believes everything.

‘Original is ‘Fake’ i.e It is a ‘space filler’ with no bad intentions. The sister of the Journalist who penned the original article lives in Donegal.

If I am a clown, you have proved yourself to be the court jester…now be gone little man before you embarrass yourself more.

JustDieter – On a parting note you are a cretin.

Donal McCarthy left an interesting link below. 
Here it is:
http://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/p6028/polish_waitress_packs_in_job_for_good_life_on/c3msb3a

Wrong Michael Quinn and I’m not anonymous either Journal. I’d really let loose if I were.

Thank you Michael. I assume you are dyslexic and what you really meant to write was “Just Dieter – On a parting note, you are wonderful. Your sensitive soul glows so brightly and your love of Ireland is so profound, it surrounds me. You humble me”

Cheerio Michael

Michael Quinn. Wonder if you’d have gotten so exited if you had read this before you entered the fray here: http://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/p6028/polish_waitress_packs_in_job_for_good_life_on/c3msb3a

let the games commence!!!!!!!

Push up there on the sofa Derek. I’ve a fresh salted bowl here. This will be good….

Will be interesting to see how many Poles will comment on this thread about how they are being – wait for it – “discriminated” in our country. Shame on her & all others, no matter who they are & where they are from, who claim welfare instead of working. The biggest shame is our welfare system for allowing this to happen. Hers is not the only case & as a taxpayer, I deeply resent what she is doing. I’ll stop at that as my blood is boiling.

Oh gawd Declan. If 10,400 has you in that state I can’t imagine what the 1.65 billion did to you last week…

This is one person.
there are quite a few people doing this, of all nationalities – especially Irish.
Nobody has a right to abuse the system, reform needed everywhere, especially in government

Ah yes Paul. But don’t sweat the small stuff.

Those lazy, good for nothing prople.

Jamie lol ;)

Wtf?
Your argument makes no sense…

I think it’s the most coherent post I’ve ever read from Loyal. But that’s only my “opinion”!! Get it!

@Jim Brady: What’s wrong with my argument? Are you saying people cannot manipulate stories?

A couple of years ago TV3 had a documentary program, which detailed how some people were on the fiddle. Do you not find it unusual that those who commit the crime rush to Irish Media to admit what they are doing and lose they’re payments? Its more realistic to think that they will keep they’re mouth shut and keep the money.

There are times when propaganda can appear in media and that you cannot take every story as gospel truth.

@Réada Quinn: In my opinion you going to crack me up with that sort of humour? Do you get it the irony?

I would question how accurate the article is as well, there’s very little by way of trying to contact the woman in question and more relying on the article itself. But we thrust the media, too much some times.

@LoyalIrish, apologies for being off topic, but can you please look up the use of Their, They’re and There. Every post so far gets it wrong, and it’s melting my head.

@P Wurple: I have spent my entire life dealing with that particular problem and its not important if you understand the message.

You could also consider that i might be doing it to find the nit pickers who have such a trivial life they feel the need to point it out in the first place. Get a life.

I was listening to John Murray this morning and
a guy on there was saying that this piece was
taken from a much larger article from a polish
newspaper that was comparing how polish citizens
were managing abroad in different countries…..
Just saying .

Call an ambulance. P Wurple’s head is melting because of some spelling errors. Has someone got the €3,000,000 it costs now???

For a new head or the ambulance?

The most down thumbs and yet he was right all along, its a made up article. The crazy polack gets up at 6am not midday and is setting up her own business, loves Donegal and her husband works. Have a look at broadsheet.ie for the real version verses the low grade reporting typical nowadays of the indo.

The truth shall set ye free.

if u feel ur being over paid, why don’t u give some of it back?

The article as reported here is from the Irish Independent, our own “Daily Mail”. The quotes were highly selective and taken out of context. Never forget that the Indo employs Shane Ross, who advocated our banks to copy Anglo Irish Bank’s business practices. Everything in that paper has to be taken with a pinch of salt.

The article is fake. I know a reporter working for that particular paper. Even the original bares no resemblance to what is translated here. I speak Polish fluently.

Expect major welfare reforms, this will be the first of many Magda stories, Paddy and Mary ones will follow

Hi Dieter,

Can you follow this up with us? Drop me an email: hugh@thejournal.ie.

Thanks,

Hugh

Have heard from others that the story is a crock of Indo. doo.

It seems that her husband is working, that she didn’t say that it was a shit hole and that she is setting up her own business. That the surfing is a hobby, has been, will be.

Personally i’m against welfare tourism and frankly would be stricter on her than my defense here states but this is just softening people up.

Remember kids that the cutting of Public sector wages hits the middle and lower the most, the top are still grossly overpaid. Hitting the dole, cuts demand in the local economy and hits the vast majority who are not dole lifestyle bums.

The next step, once the above are taken care of is to use the new reality to drive down wages in the private sector as well. It’s as plain as day, what is happening here.

That’s good to see Hugh. Keep it up Dieter…

Interesting take on this in Reddit

http://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/p6028/polish_waitress_packs_in_job_for_good_life_on/c3msb3a

Big kiss Donal McCarthy. You’re on fire with your links last few days. Told ya Michael :P

Hi Hugh

It seems you and The Journal have followed it up allready. Well done!

To bail out private banks

Well, it is the Indo. so we have to wonder if it is not a complete spoof.

Complete assways reporting from the Indo. Low grade reporting from low grade paper.

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2012/02/01/ouch-2/

Magda would have a great pay day if she had been named. Total fabricated article. It is great that they are caught out though, anything that raises the standard of Irish journalism is a good thing.

Thats the minimum wage, note the average wage.

Thats true. Many were being fleeced.

Good man Oisín. Cut straight through the cr@p.

Nonsense. If you come here, pay tax and contribute, then you should be entitled to the dole.

As a matter of fact, foreigners working then claiming contribute more to the country than the teenagers arsing around till they’re 18 so they can claim.

mmmmm, i could be wrong, but isn’t it a directive from
Brussels that all eu citizens are entitled to the dole?
wasn’t the only condition the irish gov was allowed to place was the 2 year work thing?

as for ur ‘way of life’ comment….
a single person getting 188euros a week can hardly be called
living a life sytle, unless u call getting by a life style.
gordan flocking bennett.

I wonder if there really is a Polish waitress behind this or is this a set up, I seem to remember “accurate” reports in the papers some years back about asylum seekers being given free mobile phones …

Don’t forget the free prams Glyn. Don’t forget the prams…..

@Reada Thanks Ill add that to my collection ;)

There are no jobs

hey and before it was asylum seekers getting the free prams and stuff..it was the single mums…really wonder who makes up these stories?

Mmmmm Laura. Let me think. :P

Take a deep breath Kathleen. Nice and slowly now…

…. & let it rip …………

The naivety of you all is astounding. This particular Magda doesn’t even exisit, not to say that other Magdas do, but this one certainly doesn’t. Eben the original article bares absolutely no similarity to what is printed in the Irish reproduction.

This is the same newspaper that made up the story about the fictitious relationship between a 73 yr old man in Donegal who married his beautiful 23 yr old waitress. Irish people, when oh when will you learn to see :(

to be fair i’m not really sure what we’re supposed to be surprised about here??

Magda didnt have to be polish – sure thres already a huge difference in welfare allowances on both sides of the border up there! i’m less in the school of “feck off back to Poland” and more in the space of “cut the feckin welfare!!”

@Just Dieter is at his entertaining best today! its all smoke and mirrors….. they’re not really Polish people at all! they’re aliens!

@ Rob
I’d be more of a “cut the feckin welfare fraud” myself.
Although seeing stories like like being floated tells me across the board cuts are coming down the tracks.

Please omit the “all” JustDieter. You don’t want to do an Enda Kenny on it. ;)

me too

Correction:

The naivety of some

than……………….?

There, there.

Last 2 years? Where have you been for the last 30years? For every foreigner doing this there are 200 Irish people doing the same. And their children. And their grand children. It’s an intergenerational career. Don’t blame it on the foreigners – start your blame game in Ireland.

Spot on Matthew, why go on this witch hunt for the one person when there are probably thousands doing the same.
The government are spineless, gluttonous, imperialist fucks. No sense of moral obligation or right or wrong.
They’ll preach their drivel and consolidate their position while we drown in illegitimate debt.

And what about all the Irish people who are not bothered their arse working.. what about the fact that the majority of foriegn nationals came here in the “good times” to work in positions that most Irish people did not want to do. They paid taxes and are entitled to their social welfare. As am I for working and paying my taxes. The influx of different nationalities happened years ago and greatly added to our workforce at the time. In my opinion there is nothing wrong with claiming social welfare if you have been working paying prse/paye..
Let me guess were you the same type of person that was spouting ” all the foreigeners have our jobs ” in the celtic tiger boom? There is no need or call for racism or using social welfare as a disguise for racism. At the end of the day this story – true or false – is about a woman who is paid more on the dole than in employment. Not where she is from.

ps Nigeria is in Africa!

spot on kate!

PCurley, I don’t know anything about signing on but I seem to remember big stories about a residency requirement to claim some time back? Irish people weren’t getting the dole cos they lived abroad or something? I don’t think you can turn up and just sign on – correct me if I’m wrong !!

Now, on the flipside..
A friend of mine who is French was working here throughout the boom. In 08, she was let go while on maternity leave, and she was informed she was not entitled to anything at all from the state..

I wonder how all these economic migrants manage it when she got totally and utterly screwed by our state despite having paid her taxes..

Let us not forget that our knees are gone but our backs are strong and we shall carry the weak who want to come here and take, and the price will be our families and living standards.

Ah Noirín. Don’t be such a spoilsport. They’re going to have a great time. ;)

@ PCurley
I assume you are talking about the bondholders there?

@Réada – I bow to your greater wisdom!! ;-)

100% agree

Forced labour….haven’t they tried.that somewhere before?!?

And if you think its such a good idea isn’t that (hate bringing this into it but here goes…) how we have all those quaint little dry stone walls and parchwork fields in the west? Built on the backs of people dying of starvation. Yeah forced labour is a splendid idea if ur from victorian england or apartheid south africa or north korea or stalinist russia or nazi germany….I could go on.

Niamh I think there’s a big difference between the forced labour that you quote ( south africa or north korea or stalinist russia or nazi germany) and people giving their time to local community projects etc.

What would worry me more is, if there is work there, why isn’t someone paid a proper wage to do it? If SW recipients were to clean the streets, then the street cleaner is out of a job…………………

She was earning 200 a week working, and you are saying that the minimum wage is too high!!!
This indo was successful in creating a public sector vs private sector divide, they now have social welfare in their sights.

U are here in Ireland & are treated as equal EU citizens. I have come to learn that Poles are great for moaning & complaining. Yet Poles are not shy about living off our welfare state. I’ve met many Poles who are very decent people, buy many Poles just complain & moan. As we say here – sh*t or get off the pot.

jeez dec,
ur awful fond of a good aul whige urself me aul pal.

as for us all being a europe of equals,
flock me, do people still believe that horse manure??
sure, the the majority are equal…
equal serfs in the eyes of our banking masters

Good man, Joe !! No harm to have an aul’ rip every now & then. Whoo-Hoo !!

@ Declan Carroll
“but many Poles just complain & moan”
Guess they are no different than the irish then ehh.

The main difference I see between the Polish and the Irish is that the Polish work their @asses off when they can.. Not so for the Irish..

That’s true, Brian Henoll. That’s true, to.

If only we all had the sense of civil duty and social responsibility so evident in our governing parties? People really would be better off focusing their attention on the people who are really taking advantage in this country, rather than be distracted by dodgy story in the Indo.
If you’re looking to vent your anger at fraud there is a much bigger show in town.

And who has fuelled that Ross. Lazy governments!

Ah yeah blame the government for people’s attitudes, because everyone looks up to them. The government have their own house to get in order. I think the Irish people can be expected to be mature enough to enter a social contract and play their part. If every individual did that themselves then there would be no problem. The government is just another symptom of the attitude.

Actually, the indos piece is quite kind to her.

She refers to us Dubs as “them arseholes from Dublin”,

Full article,in Polish, http://wyborcza.pl/1,75480,11028074,Polak_w_Irlandii__Kocham_cie__bezrobocie.html

If someone has worked and paid tax and PRSI here then they are able to claim any benefits that they are entitled to, no matter where they are from. They have already contribued to the system in the good times and should be as able as anyone else to benefit from it when times are hard.

The Independent has some hard neck publishing this in the same week that senior civil servants are getting massive payouts for early retirements and colossal sums are being thrown at defunct banks.

To those that are joining in on this witch-hunt – remember they’ll be coming for you next.

“Actually, the indos piece is quite kind to her.
She refers to us Dubs as “them arseholes from Dublin”,

Funnily enough, I can’t see that bit.

Whats the view like from your Ivory Tower????

Ross is right. We all need to get a healthy dose of “civil duty” &/or “social responsibility”. That starts from the top. Sadly, look at what we had & have in power. There’s the “Racist” card. Throwing the racist card is a poor substitute for any meaningful argument. I sense u are taking the p*ss, tho’ !!

Oisín. You forgot the tips man! How could you forget the Irish tips. Holy cow!!!

Sums sums sums.

Minimum wage is 8.64 an hour. For a 40 hour week that’s €346, not 200. So it must have not been a full time job, but rather a few hours here and there.

You are always better off having a full time job rather than being on jobseekers.

Well Reada, a person could earn up to and above €100 in tips in a week depending on where they’re working. Not to be sniffed at if that equals half of your wage packet. I also qualified my comment by saying even if she doesn’t get tips how is €200 not enough?? Why should a waitress get anything above minimum wage unless they’ve been working in the place for a number of years?? No offence to waiters/waitresses but it’s not the most skilled job and the stress is largely superficial. I’ve been a waiter before, I know.

not a bad idea.
yeahhhh…..after hunting her down, lets make an example of her
by placing her head on the city gates, that should send a message….

oh and sheena, hope u don’t lose ur job and have to live on 188 quid a week.

@joseph mcgee- I have been on the dole (when it was 194 a week) and i can assure you i would have rathered waitiress for the same amount. Or clean streets, or do anything. and i NEVER boasted about how great it was. Stick that in your pipe.

ha ha ! hunt her down. yeeeeeeeeeeee haaaaaaaaa!

bbbbbbbbbulllllshhhhhhhhhhhhh………….

back into yer own pipe m’dear

please!
this article is weak distraction from the real news. wake up!

Sheena
This article has riled me too , no end ….because it is not true. The Indo mis quoted her ….
Google translate did not work too well today…… OOPS !

I’m a non-Irish taxpayer. Can my money go into a separate fund so I don’t have to pay for Irish claims?

Come on Mark. The senate should have been scrapped long ago. They serve no purpose or role not already been done. But it’s another issue.
Back to topic- the Irish in oz wont get the dole after 2 years there.
I would what PR company found this for the gov to spin.

c’mon val, ur gettin soft,,
why even bother with the dingy….

hey Val Should we refund the PRSI she paid while working as a waitress below the minimum wage before we drop her into the North sea, or perhaps its time to start rounding up people “like this” and send them to camps. Some of the comments on this page are making me sick to the core, how easy it is to whip up the ire of fools. When I read comments like these I can see why evil right wing parties have no trouble surviving. Even if this person is real (which I doubt) why should she not have the right to seek out happiness. You would be well advised to direct your anger to those nameless bond holders, bankers and politicians who are stealing your money and the future of our country then to some fictitious waitress who enjoys walking on a beach in Donegal

@Glyn: Apologies, I suppose I didn’t really explain myself properly. I have no problem with an immigrant worker into Ireland claiming the dole, especially when many of them contributed to the economy we had a few years back. Unlike many people, I understand the economics behind what the immigrant population actually done for Ireland, how they elevated our economy to a whole new level. The heights we hit wouldn’t have been anything close if they hadn’t been here, and therefore any immigrant that has lost their job is fully entitled to claim their dues in the hope of sticking it out in their adopted country only to find work again in the future.

However…this woman has glorified being on the dole. While she might be entitled to it, it is her “shur why would I work when…” mentality that should not be accepted by us. I have spoken to many non-nationals about issues like this and I know quite a few Polish people that would say the exact same thing. This isn’t about left wing softness or right wing extremeism, this is about someone who is deliberately sponging of the Irish system and having a right aul laugh about it. How do you think it makes people feel who have lost their job and are ashamed to be on the dole despite the fact that they too are collecting over 250 euro a week?

All EU countries will pay dole and put other EU citizens through college, what’s your point?

Eh why was he off to Australia?
Do you know anything else about him?
Had he ever worked here?
Also I really don’t see what his nationality has to do with anything. Could an Irish person not have said the same thing?

Believe me mate, he won’t get a penny in Australia that way. Been there and noticed they don’t suffer lightly to people like that. If it’s getting tougher and tougher for Irish to get onto sites for fear of stealing Aussie jobs, their certainly not gonna give out free welfare to people like that.

He said he gave up work here & was surfing the welfare wave. Was going to Oz to meet up with pals, Rommel.

Yes – he could have been any nationality. The fact is he is Polish. I would be equally annoyed if he was from Mars, so to speak.

Ok, so he did work here then. Any idea how long he worked here? How long he was surfing the wave here? Are you saying he’s going to Oz to work? You’re basing a lot of assumptions on ” I’m off to Australia soon so I’m surfing the welfare wave”

Making no assumptions, Rommel. That’s what he said. He said he worked here for a year or so & was going to Oz to meet up with pals. That’s what he said. Just relaying that. In the meantime he lived off welfare – surfed the welfare wave. The welfare state is the prob for allowing that to happen & I have no doubt the welfare state will be completely changed within the next 5 years. It was so annoying how flippant he was about it. Can’t add any more than that.

Fair enough Declan. Sounds to me like maybe he is going to Oz to work like some of his mates may have already done. If he was getting welfare for a few weeks in advance of that I don’t see a problem. Maybe it’s just the words he used?
I can see your point about being flippant.
On the reverse side the vast majority should feel no shame for claiming welfare. There always has and always will be a minority who take the pish, and this badly needs to be addressed. But that requires political will and I think it suits the Government to have people divided on issues like this rather than united.

When somebody says they’re riding the welfare wave Rommel you don’t need to look much further than that. Why can’t you just accept that a lot of people take advantage of the welfare system. Stop making excuses for people. You’re part of this ‘what’s in it for me?’ attitude.

That’s an outrageous attitude to have, Melissa. This is where resentment starts. Welfare isn’t there for be plundered. It’s there to help people when they are in times of difficulty. Your East European boyfriends & pals are disgraceful & if they are claiming welfare willy-nilly, remember this – they are taking money away from areas where it could be better used. Like buying fuel & hot meals for the elderly. TBH – I think u really need to look at your fella again, open your eyes & see what a sponger he is. Sounds like being here with you, he is on the pig’s back hooked up with a cash cow, to use that term. Wake up !! U ought to hang your head in shame for contributing that comment thinking there is nothing wrong with what they are doing. It is our money.

Melissa look around you-if you think there is nothing wrong with the comment you have just made you are as bad as your Eastern European boyfriend and his sponger mates. I hope you are never on the receiving end of social welfare payments as so many decent people are in this country. Time for a change in attitude I think

Correct, Edel. It’s there to help anyone in a time of need & to help anyone get back on track. God know when anyone us may need assistance.

Indeed my friend

Your on the ball, don’t need to go to mainland Europe to hear stories of people riding the system. A minority of people on the dole here for years doing this and worse.

This weeks Burning Question on the journal should be

when we, the Irish, start dropping undesirable people into the north sea, should it be
‘with or without a dingy?’ :-)

Send a email to Susan Daly Joeseph. I’m sure she’ll love it. :D

Spot on Paraic
Can remember lads coming home on holidays from London offering 100 sterling for lads birth certs for this purpose. Nationality has fook all to do with it.

Did you report this illegal activity to the proper authorities?

If you’re asking me then no I didn’t, as I was living in Ireland not England and was about 15 or 16 at the time.

Exactl
y my point Rommel, 4 birth certs four dole offices. And sure well done lads screwing the English system.

Michael, we have had another translation of the original story and amended the article as such. A follow-up article is coming up on the website soon as well.

Thanks Hugh

Well said.

Don’t worry about it fizi. It’s a fake story apparently.

Only if you get JSB can you sign on in another EU country. Most people out of work here are on JSA and don’t qualify.

Thanks Lisa as I said I thought that was the case but wasn’t sure!

I was clarifying the difference between JSA and JSB rights.

I read an article I can’t find now saying close to hall of rental accommodations in Ireland are paid for with rent supplement, thus keeping average rent high.

This is another way the government subsidizes the banks as most of that money goes into mortgages.

When you say crack down on them who are you talking about?

Maybe its your attitude in interviews. You are not wearing pyjamas are you.

I’m pretty sure that if a menial job was advertised in a paper lets say, you’d increase your chances of being called for an interview with a foreign name ;)

Why are people angry at her? It’s the Government who have made it so comfortable for her she was probably taxed to the eyeballs when she was working and struggling to pay her rent. She is actually better off unemployed than when she was working it just makes no sense but it’s not her fault.

Over 30% of public spending is on social welfare all those ‘small amounts’ add up
do you think it is sustainable to ‘import’ our unemployed too ?

Gavin,
I understand your anger. if you have not done so already go to the HSE as they will supplement you until you are means tested .

That reminds me of the time when the Garda were chasing Polish guy for over 1000 speeding tickets. “Prawo Jazdy” was his name. This is also the Polish for drivers licence!! It would not surprise me if this was a mess up in translation,

hear hear! – although the story has now hit the daytime radio talk shows and even more people are therefore taking it as verbatim truth

Ever hear of shift work.

I also posted a comment questioning the racist ethnic slant of the story and my post has been REMOVED!!! I am very very shocked.

Welcome to the journal.

If ye are using the app on a smart phone only the newer comments are shown. Go onto the main website and all opinions are displayed in glorious colour

Not many people want Donegal

Speak for yourself Stephen, perhaps you should get someone else to “translate” the intention behind the Indo article for you. Also, try asking a Polish person in Donegal to read the original article to you in English, and see how distorted the Indo piece (of sh*t) is.

I personally welcome anyone to Donegal, from anywhere in the world, who, like “Magda,” is willing to start up their own business. Some day, if successful, she may be employing a friend or family member of mine!

Well said chopping poerson

Thanks Hugh….. Too bad that the damage is already done, also very responsible of Sen Jimmy Harte stirring up the public on the radio, without even reading or seeing the article…. No worries, expecting an article in the next couple of days… Pole beaten to a pulp hanging for life, ah what can you do

Luke, we are working on another piece about the Polish embassy’s response to this story. Coming up shortly, hopefully.

Why don’t you mention that she is preparing to open her own business, renovating premises, training etc?

I give journal all the credit, they at least attempted to update the story, and im sure they will update it farther when they get the complete picture… Here is a link that another member has posted, for others

http://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/p6028/polish_waitress_packs_in_job_for_good_life_on/c3msb3a

As for Independent, crickets no update, main story changed on their site.

Well done Hugh. Hugh, a powerful name, shared by so many past Kings of Ireland. Indeed the legendary High King of Ireland, the King of Kings so to speak, ‘Áed Rúad’ was also named Hugh. You come from sterling stock Mr O’Connell, go forth and multiply!

The senator would probaly claim the cost of the flight off expenses what a muppet.
To everyone else this woman is clearly trying to make herself more employable spoke of her love for our country all of this to me is a good thing.I wish her the best of luck for the future and hope she knows the bigots are a very small minority in this country.

And the irish living abroad….the flamin cheek. It works both ways, irish people can claim childrens allowance from eg. germany, if one parent is living there and their children are still in ireland.

Don’t know about you Darren but no amount of social welfare would entice me to live apart from my children. And I’m sure the same can be said for the vast majority of the people you refer to.
By the way, keep up, “she” of the Indo does not exist!

As wrongly slanted as the article was never stated she had children where did you pick that up from.As for child allowance for chilren not resident in the state that is an EU directive where the parent is working in a different member state.If you have an issue with that take it up with the EU.

Ah Darren, you disappoint me.

“She and her likes”? And you’ve invented kids for her now too. Cretinous.

I think its the media trying to create a news story out of nothing. In fact, if they could create some racial tensions and a bit of internal strife, who cares, its more to print for them. Give up reading the newspapers. At least on the Journal, you get a chance to explore the story and what others think.

Good idea that. If those on labour related payments had to go somewhere, they would find work soon enough, because those on the black market would either have to go legit to explain their absence, or quit their illegal working and leave work for those who want to have it.

I’d feel sorry for the genuine job hunter though. How would you suggest keeping those on “workfare” productively occupied, so they don’t go nuts doing menial work or make work? They may as well join the Civil Service and get an office job away from the real world and work. How do the Aussies do it?

i am wondering if your being sarcastic? why would we treat them this way. the answer is easy. the irish government give non irish a nice big sunday dinner with all the trimmings and when their done we get the scraps. ever since the flood gates have opened the irish are the ones being put on the back burner. disagree and call me ignorant but many many people will agree

Jester, you can no doubt think of a few examples of Social Welfare largesse, but I’m pretty sure that girl in Donegal is claiming nothing more than the system allows. The system is not designed to help the unemployed survive, it is designed to help them maintain a good standard of living, comparable with being on the minimum wage. I have felt for some time that SW payments should be subject to PAYE. I accept that those on pay related payments deserve better payments while their contributions run down, but once they are gone, why should anyone doing nothing earn more than someone on the minimum wage. And before I get flamed, disability payments are a whole different issue.

I am embarrassed to be a Irishman . Typical of some of the journalists in this insular island

Maurice, be brave. Just quit reading the Sindo. I did many years ago when I realised just how manipulative the media can be. If they can attract attention and get people to buy their paper out of curiosity, why would they worry about the news and features content. It is all about advertising revenue and nothing else.

Actually Dara, that’s a very good idea. It almost reads as if the Journal wrote the piece.

no, it hasn’t

I didn’t know that Senator Jimmy Harte is a labour Senator….Just saying like!!!

pa, you should prob read previous comments before jumpin in call people knobs,
here are some links
http://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/p6028/polish_waitress_packs_in_job_for_good_life_on/c3msb3a
http://wyborcza.pl/1,75480,11028074,Polak_w_Irlandii__Kocham_cie__bezrobocie.html?as=1&startsz=x &
http://www.thejournal.ie/polish-ambassador-responds-to-irish-independents-magda-dole-article-343386-Feb2012/

Pa don’t let the truth get in the way of a good rant! lol ;)

Go for it Pa, what size is your other foot. Would it fit in too?

Thw clown was asked to produce the evidence but couldnt.. The Journal.ie reporter asked for it, but nothing… Just Dieter is one of these idiots who shove opinions down peoples throats…

Errrr Senators don’t get voted in by the people just saying like

This kind of xenophobic trash is all too common and very predictable when a country is on its uppers. Thankfully, most people are decent and intelligent. They will listen, find out for themselves and remain civil, balanced and inclusive. Hope this issue hasn’t tainted your experience of Ireland too much Luke…

Dead right Abbie. Disgusting amount of party slackers hang around this website. I worked for years with foreign people on half the money of their Irish counterparts but doing twice the work and taking twice the abuse. That’s fact and you can quote me on that! Train drivers, teachers and even a lawyer trying to create a future for themselves like millions have had to do in Ireland over the centuries.

Understand, but this is Naive , did nobody notice that the Government went after low paid the minute they got into Government assisting service industry by breaking up long standing agreements so that they do not have to pay overtime or premiums to weekend workers thus narrowing the gap between work and the dole. Of course no look at the croke park agreement !

yeah but in the UK they pay for your heating, electric and refuge etc and give you the remainder to buy your groceries, over here you’re given the larger amount and have to pay all your own bills. Not sure about Poland, all I can say is the cost of living is a lot less

100% true

Completely agree. When I go the local Lidl, Tesco e.t.c who is working mostly here? The right answer is-Polish. Job like this is not good, and well payed enough for local people, but good enough for Polish.
And than somebody of them will lost their job, they have a right, like everyone who working in Ireland and paying taxes to be supported by welfare. That ish..

oh come on people- she didn’t kill anyone, she simply got what she’s entitled to. She’s not drinking her money away or driving a flashy car she takes trips to the beach. BIG FAT DEAL. She didn’t cheat the system in fact she used to work which means she more than likely paid tax