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No intention to cut people’s water cut off, says Minister

The Seanad is currently hearing details of the Water Services Bill, which will introduce water charges.

IT IS NOT the Government’s intention to cut off people who cannot pay their water charge bill, NewERA Minister Fergus O’Dowd said today.

The Junior Minister made the comment while attending a Seanad hearing on the Water Services Bill, under which water charges are to be brought in. Seanad members put questions on the bill to Minister O’Dowd at the hearing.

Senator David Norris raised concerns about responsibility for fitting water meters, and said that the Government should try to get a bargain price for them. He also questioned if there is a failure of the meters, who is responsible.

He asked if there will be a proposal to cut people off if they can’t pay, and was told by Minister O’Dowd: “It’s not the intention to cut anybody off.”

Fianna Fáil Senator Diarmuid Wilson said that his party was “deeply concerned” about the Bill, considering the “cabinet confusion” about how much people would pay. He said there was a “flawed public consultation” and that “none of this bodes well” for the implementation of the charges.

He also questioned the Minister on whether there will be job losses as result of the setting up of Bord Uisce. Sen Wilson said that bringing the bill before the house now “is putting the cart before the horse”.

Uisce Éireann

Fine Gael Senator Cait Keane welcomed the news and the establishment of Uisce Eireann. She said that people don’t want to know that 34 local authorities are looking after the water charges, but “what they want is satisfaction, a good supply of water coming out of the tap”.

She added that there is “no fairness” if water charges are different.

Senator David Cullinane questioned whether it was fair that a big family on a small income could be paying the same as a small family on a big income. He said that water charges should be funded through general taxation.

Labour Senator John Kelly asked when there was going to be an indication of how much money users will have to pay for these charges, while Fianna Fáil Senator Darragh O’Brien said he has grave concerns about how this will impact people working in local authorities.

He also asked about the cost of meters, saying that at first people were told there would be no charge, but due to a loan from the National Pension Reserve Fund of €450 million, “that would be effectively [be] €340 on average cost to the consumer”.

He added he didn’t want “a big foreign conglomerate installing meters”. Fine Gael Senator Michael Comiskey said that it is important that local people and local subcontractors install the meters, and asked for a universal charge for farmers and universal charge for water across the country.

Minister O’Dowd will return later in the week to answer the questions from the Senators.

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Comments (35 Comments)

  • Of course it’s not the Government’s intention to cut off people who cannot pay their water charge.
    It’s their intention to sell the water supply off, and let someone else cut off people who cannot pay their water charge.

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    • Water charges are likely to be abolished in the next election if Independents/SF are given a chance by the Irish people. We should be cutting our spending and give the middle class breathing space to help our economy grow.,

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  • A nightmare waiting to happen

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    • On one hand Norris is looking for a bargain price for fitting the meters and on the other he says: what comeback does the public have if meters are faulty.
      I don’t believe this imbecile.
      Words to describe Irish politicians just fails me.

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    • Water charges are likely to be abolished in the next election if Independents/SF are given a chance by the Irish people. We should be cutting our spending and give the middle class breathing space to help our economy grow.

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    • It’s our water why should we pay for something that we own already. Water is the new oil. We need out of this eu, if this was happening 25 years ago there would be riots which tells me they must be adding some thing to our water too keep us quite

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  • Thats very good of you. Thanks for not turning of our water. What type of see you next tuesday’s do we have calling the shots..time for a revolution Irish style!!

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  • Julie 23/01/13 #

    Lime and fluoride water, not drinkable , couldn’t pay household charge , can’t pay prop tax and not paying water charges for dirty water. CUT YOUR OWN WAGE YE BUNCH OF GOOD FOR NOTHING USELESS Politicians ! Go after Bertie’s and his cronies and take their pension, stop increasing advisors salaries, cut all the retired TD getting pensions and salaries for being on boards, cut the extravagant wages of the top earners in public sector , cut all yer allowances, entertainment t allowance come on! Stop paying un-guaranteed bond holders and promissory notes and try and sort out why every person in Ireland is paying 9000 while every other European is paying 192 , do your job and try get debt written off .

    Then and only then come looking for me to pay taxes and charges I just can’t pay !

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    • Well said Julie. If only we had politicians like you.

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    • Unfortunately it’s illegal to change a contract after it’s been agreed and signed. Solution, don’t give new td’s and current ones a pension for 5 years work (i.e. sit on their hole all day)!!

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    • Julie 23/01/13 #

      John Bertie and his buddies are the ones that destroyed Ireland they deserve nothing, it is a time of crises I think it about time they started doing something besides sitting on their asses and kissing eu ass, we have been screwed over by the eu and our own government we have no representation! Bertie did nothing only brown envelopes but walked away with big pension I would cut his pension down to the average industrial wage! I’m sick of hearing from this government we can’t do this and we can’t do that then what the hell are YE doing and why do we need ye, seems to me they are a massive expense we don’t need !

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    • chilli16 23/01/13 #

      Good on you Julie!!

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  • No mentions of the people who have been buying bottled water for years because of bad quality and of course no mention of the amount of treated water going to waste because of leaks in the systems

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  • If people who don’t pay don’t get cut off, why should they pay?

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  • Any chance i can receive proper water for my money, rather that the flouride filled stuff i get now?

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  • I remember finding tiny worms in my water a couple of years ago. I contacted the local Councel to report the problem and stating that I had two young kids who had also possibly ingested said worms. I was told that they were May fly larva and of no harm…….to which I responded that I would bring a glass of my wormy water down to the office for them to consume….I was told that was unnecessary :-/

    No apology!!!!

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  • No disconnections, they’ll just put your children up on DoneDeal if you refuse to pay.

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  • We can’t drink our water, not even in tea or coffee when it’s boiled because the taste is just so foul. It’s got like this dirty, mouldy taste off it. It’s just about good for cooking. We have to buy bottled water so I dare anyone to come to me looking for me to pay for undrinkable water, I have the hurl behind the door!

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  • cant pay wont pay…simples

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  • The Seanad, House of Hot air and Noises!

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  • Water meters can be fitted with 3 types of plugs ,
    White = freeflow
    Yellow = restricted flow
    Red =no flow
    Wonder how many red and yellow plugs were ordered?

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    • Yes I’d imagine those who don’t pay will have a restricted supply as it would be against human rights to completely cut off supply. But like everything “What man can create, another can defeat” surely the plugs won’t be just limited for sale to councils.

      I’m hearing a lot of talk recently about bypassing the meter… Not legal but goes to show how people feel about them.

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  • Some comments about fluoride on here,there is a wall of silence about this chemical ,I don’t know why we use it.maybe it’s to kill off the ‘may fly larvae’ in the above comment,but our disintegrating water system could be letting any amount of contamination into the system,so we need to use more to kill the bugs which rots the pipes even more,it’s a catch 22 !when a chemical can’t be contained without rotting the steel containers it’s in then we should probably not be feeding it to the country( highest rate of fluoridation in Europe).any kids on here who might like to enter the young scientist next year would make an excellent project of checking the permitted levels around the country,I doubt they are being adhered to,this would be an excellent contribution to public safety and may lead to our freedom from this caustic toxic waste ,I can smell the chemicals in our water ,which I never could before.we should have water charging when the system is to an acceptable standard and our water is safe to drink,at the minute we have neither!

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    • We have an outdated sewage system, Sewage waste and water waste flow into one pipe and there should be a two pipe system to treat sewage and water seperatley! So as usual, we take the cheap way out and cut corners to save money. So it can pay the wages/pension/perks of useless Councillors/Senators/T.D.’s, that’s why we’re before the European Courts on these matters. The EU is not the problem, it’s our politicians!

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    • Your right Stephen,and all these problems are well documented for years and the false economy of corner cutting is obvious to see,except when you use substandard fittings and cut corners underground you cant see them,kind of a no brainer!we need officials who can look at an issue,say to themselves what the problems are and start to remedy them,instead they think to themselves “Im going to fail this task, I’m going to pass this on to Tom the dummy,when he fails i won’t look so bad!and I’ll still get my pay”.if officials throughout the public sector were held accountable and their pay was docked for their incompetence to pay these eu fines stuff would start getting fixed pretty fast I would think.but accountability in Ireland is a fairytale!

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    • Eoin, a school in Tralee did enter something on the harmful effects of fluoride last year

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    • That’s something I’d like to see Laura

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  • Cant drink the tap water in athy you can see the limescale in a glass il be paying fir water I can’t drink

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  • Dont tell me my comment was taking down for having a go at the clowns who run this country ?

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  • MORE WATER

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