Are people still getting caught out with roaming? Its probably one of the most talked about charges for mobile customers and people still manage to get a surprise.

Another idea… change the R in “NORTHERN” into a T and tipex out RN :-)

Ha! Ha! Wait for Tim Jackson to reply to this he’s relying to all funny comments reminding people of the serious signs that nobody actually cares about ….

Font used appears to be “Transport” which is the standard font for, err, the UK. Black text on a white background is widely used for roadsigns. They should do what the Scots do and have a more elaborate signs.

At the end of the day since we ceded Articles 2 and 3, it is Northern Ireland and they can really put up whatever signs they like.

‘Transport’ eh? What sort of foreign fangled nonsense is that then? I’m only saying they should have gone for a font which was cuddlier and more welcoming. The kind of font you might see over the door of a creche…or an amusement arcade. It would take peoples minds off the inherent cultural and political questions these signs raise.

If black on white is what the kids are into now who am I to argue, but I notice Brian you say NOT ONE WORD about the shouty capital letters? Your omission speaks volumes.

I need to have a little lie down.

Maybe Ian Paisley had something to do with the signs and that’s why they are SHOUTY Niall!

Like this Niall?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/59584730@N06/

Perfect!

Any political signs are too much. They are an obnoxious, irritating, constant droning in our faces filled with 1/2 truths, complete fabrications, and super-egos. The time spent watching/listening to political ads is time that will never be recovered.

I am less likely to visit the north with signs like these.

and as if to prove my point along comes Rob :)

Rob, its not political its the area’s name.
Whatever you do don’t use google maps and search for “Northern Ireland, United Kingdom” you’ll get very upset.

I suppose the paranoid people out there might think Google are siding with the english government on all of this and other such nonsense,

DisgruntledCitizen,

Most of the posters on this article are stupid.

The truth is that these signs create division. They won’t last long. People will remove them.

Now go join your Unionist buddies all you right-wingers. You can emigrate there anytime.

Exactly. People need to be aware of when they are crossing the border. Apart from our trivial little things like roaming charges, there are more serious issues at hand. For example, a non EU citizen touring Ireland could inadvertently cross the border and therefore be illegally in the UK.

Barry,

so which ideas would those be then?

Start recognizing the facts surrounding the colonization of OUR land.

You are parroting the ideas of Ian Paisley, not the free Ireland.

Just to clarify, not my comments, the other Tim… :)

You mean the one with the lovely British protestant name, Tim Jackson???
The one who seems to hate the Brits but has a very British name unless hes hiding his true self??

Shameless sectarianism Tommy. What just because someone has a “British protestant name” they can’t be a republican? – Tone, Emmet, Mitchel, Pearse ring any bells?

And having nationalist/republican views does not equate to “hating the Brits”.

Gearóid, I couldnt care less where someone is from or what their religion is.
NI is separate to the Republic and the beauty of NI is that the people who live there can determine for themselves if they are irish or British. They can even be both and more power to them!
What i cannot stand is sectarianism and this ‘its our country’ crap is utter bull too. The 6 counties are part of Britain. The majority of people in NI in recent polls seem happy to stay as part of Britain too. Let them decide their own fate, it should not be decided by people in ROI as we are not affected by how those in NI live their lives.

The Irish nation is homogeneous group that has historically inhabited the 32 counties of Ireland, hence “it’s our country”. You might find that fact banal, but it’s true. If people consider themselves British, let them at it, but they have no right to impose an arbitrary border and maintain a military presence in Ireland. The 6 counties are not “part of Britain”, Britain is a separate island. As regards polls, the very existence of this arbitrary border ensures a Unionist majority, thus denying the nationalist community a fair and just say on the national question. Furthermore, why shouldn’t we have a say in how the 6 counties are run? Roughly 40% of people who live there are Irish citizens, and god knows Britain have been meddling for long enough. Also, the border has had an adverse affect on the Irish economy, the border area in particular, and any potential United Ireland we will all have to live in, so it does affect us.

Tommy C,

Having a British name doesn’t necessarily entail I am a loyalist. In fact, if that’s all you’ve got, then stay at home.

Paul Lanigan,

Sometimes it’s best to shorten my comments for stupid people. For example, you and your right-wingers on this forum see me as being a SF supporter just because I oppose these signs. That in itself is a form of intellectual stupidity. But I do NOT care what you or anyone like you thinks…. I will not be subverted by intellects. I shall give my view if I see fit. Not to satisfy you or any right-winger like you.

Gearóid. Your assertion about the Irish people is twaddle. We are from all over, not just Britain but Asia, Eastern Europe and, significantly, Northern Spain. The strong Spanish connection was recently proven throughDNA research. I’m not at all surprised that you have it utterly wrong. But do us a favour. If you’re going to bang on and on about something, at least do us the courtesy of checking your facts.

I’m well aware of the origins of the Irish people. It’s a rich tapestry, as are all nations.

By going back into pre-history, essentially what you’re saying is: that there is no basis for modern nation states, thus no need for borders – Surely you find the border in question absurd then?

Our British, Celtic, Norse and, largely, Spanish blood is from historical times, not pre-historic. God knows where we’re from originally.

Gearoid, you just said we are homogenous but now we are a rich tapestry. WHICH IS IT?

Both. Our origins are diverse, but over time these differences become subsumed into one homogeneous group. Unless you’ve seen any Normans or Vikings around lately?

This debate is getting very abstract now…

SO by homogeneous you mean we can have red hair, blonde hair, brown hair, black hair and we can have green, grey,blue,brown,hazel eyes? Some of us can have pale skin, sallow skin, freckles? Yeah thats real homogenous. Pretty much like the spanish or Italians who actually do tend to be homogenous.

Culturally homogeneous. I wasn’t eluding to any kind “ethnic” nationalism, which I strongly disagree with. Anyway, this could go on all night so this will be my last comment.

Back to actual article in question, perhaps a compromise could be if the sign read “Fáilte go dtí Thuaisceart Éireann!”

Because they are loyalists who want to institutionalize sectarianism.

Northern Ireland is a disputed territory.

Sorry Tim. You’re wrong. The Republic of Ireland gave up its claim to Northern Ireland with the signing of the Good Friday Agreement.

It’s far from a disputed territory

@Sean Cafferkey you`re wrong the rep of ire gave up the north when the free state was formed and we`ve been fighting for it since

Sorry Philip. Facts have proven you wrong. Amendment 19 of the Constitution of The Republic of Ireland states: “Allowed the State to consent to be bound by the British-Irish Agreement done at Belfast on 10 April 1998 and provided that certain further amendments to the Constitution, notably to Articles 2 and 3, would come into effect when that agreement entered into force”

Before 1998, Articles 2 & 3 state:
Article 2.
The national territory consists of the whole island of Ireland, its islands and the territorial seas.
Article 3.
Pending the re-integration of the national territory, and without prejudice to the right of the Parliament and Government established by this Constitution to exercise jurisdiction over the whole of that territory, the laws enacted by that Parliament shall have the like area and extent of application as the laws of Saorstát Éireann and the like extra-territorial effect.

After 1998, Articles 2 & 3 state:
Article 2.
It is the entitlement and birthright of every person born in the island of Ireland, which includes its islands and seas, to be part of the Irish nation. That is also the entitlement of all persons otherwise qualified in accordance with law to be citizens of Ireland. Furthermore, the Irish nation cherishes its special affinity with people of Irish ancestry living abroad who share its cultural identity and heritage.

Article 3.
1. It is the firm will of the Irish nation, in harmony and friendship, to unite all the people who share the territory of the island of Ireland, in all the diversity of their identities and traditions, recognising that a united Ireland shall be brought about only by peaceful means with the consent of a majority of the people, democratically expressed, in both jurisdictions in the island. Until then, the laws enacted by the Parliament established by this Constitution shall have the like area and extent of application as the laws enacted by the Parliament that existed immediately before the coming into operation of this Constitution.

2. Institutions with executive powers and functions that are shared between those jurisdictions may be established by their respective responsible authorities for stated purposes and may exercise powers and functions in respect of all or any part of the island.

when michael collins signed the treaty he signed away the 6 counties so we could form the free state

Yes Philip, Collins did do that in the 1920s but up until 1998 the Republic held a territorial claim to Northern Ireland. They gave that up in 1998 with the above Amendment. Facts are facts. Can’t be disproved

Since when has the Irish state given a hoot about the North? They’re more interested in feathering their own nests, and defending some pseudo independent “state”, rather than an actual viable Irish nation. Just because it’s in “Bunreacht na hÉireann” doesn’t mean it some immutable truth. The articles you quoted are nothing more than connivance with an imperialist British state and the subversion of Irish nationhood.

And that’s why 72% of the turnout (81%) in Northern Ireland voted yes while 94% of the turnout (56%) said yes in the Republic. Idiotic comments Gearóid. Quit living in the past and come enjoy the present with the rest of us

They were voting on a peace agreement, not on the national question. The GFA doesn’t legitimise partition, nor can any other act of underhanded British diplomacy.

Seán Cafferkey,

The 6 counties are a disputed territory politically. Irish political parties across the 32 counties did Not give up their claim. A fact often overlooked by loyalist settlers like you and your supporters on here.

I reckon anyone with the surname Jackson is of ‘settler’ stock Tim. Its not really a traditional Irish name now is it?

Denial and delusion is a common trait in border counties. Just ask the Quinns!

Deborah,

It’s our country. The problem lies with the politicized Roads Service who decided to open up sectarian division by erecting these signs. Hopefully someone uproots them.

@ Deborah Connolly

I encourage you to READ the history surrounding the annexation of Ireland’s 6 counties and their theft. I don’t know who you are or where you’re from but your reply indicates a distinct lack of comprehension leaving you with a single rhetorical impediment, one of which I will refrain from taking any further advantage.

Tim Jackson, its our country…..really?
Since when does the Irish government lay claim to the day to day operations in Northern Ireland, including job creation, tax collection etc?

You may want it to be our country but at present it is not and you can’t force it to be either, nothing illegal or wrong about any signs saying its northern Ireland when this is what it says on maps. Are you going to demand that all maps be destroyed?

Tim. Why not be honest and declare your Shinner links or is that too much to expect?

“Denial and delusion is a common trait in border counties.”

Go away troll……unless of course you’d care to come out of hiding and say where you live so us non-trolls can chastise and demean whatever part of the country you live in….if not then STFU.

Hold on, I thought the signs were erected to show a change in juristition… Don’t they do exactly that?

I’m not here to argue about how the 6 counties came into being partitioned from the rest of the country, but the fact remains that there is a change here and people should be aware that laws change upon crossing this border.

It just seems like a childish thing to complain about, I mean, we don’t complain about signs at the Galway/ Mayo border, do we?

Who is everyone Deborah ? – personally I have always called it The Six Counties.

I call it the north of Ireland Deborah, always have, always will

Eddie, good for you but its called Northern Ireland whether you like it or not.

I suppose Scotland is northen England as well

Dermot…let know your address and I’ll send you a sense of humour…..and a box kleenex!

I have a simpler idea, why not grow a pair and use a proper account and not hide behind a troll account.

I’d PM you my address but you could be a total freak…that’s the problem with trolls.

Ask Peter Darragh Quinn I’m sure he’ll tell ya there’s a huge difference between him standing in a field in Fermanagh or one in Monaghan

Eh Louth is in Leinster Connor…not Ulster…

Louth people have broadly the same accent as Ulster people actually. And there is no difference between Paddy Barnes and John Joe Nevin. Both are proud to be Irish

Maybe in North Louth Con, The Drogs have a quare speak not reminsicant of a Northern accent.

It’s less than 200 quid a sign, and with the cost of metal these days (plus labour) that’s not bad.

In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if they were taken for their scrap value rather than for sectarian values.

you could have filled a dozen potholes for the cost of each sign. And im not factoring in the weekly cost to the roads service putting the signs back up and cleaning them of Graffiti.

Were you born yesterday Kevin?

@ Kevin O’Sullivan

what crack are you smoking?
Your first sentence is ungrammatical. It should read “what a silly thing to place in Ireland” rather than “argue about”.

Tim and Rob, get a room!!

There is some nonsense on here about road signs, what we should be doing is applauding all those people from all parts of the island who come together to play rugby, cricket, hockey boxing , athletics, equestrian motorsports , golf and many more sports . The can all play on one team and are all irish of one degree or another, despite the politicans on both sides continually stirring it up. And despite 3 bigoted rowers from coleraine. . I think that a compromise flag and anthem is the way to go in these sport and then see what happens.in soccer . But keep the sinners and the dup far away from these sports people.

That goes for LOYALIST TERRISTS who bombed Dublin & Monaghan.

Oh wait, your eternal smug hubris convinces you… You are a typical illiterate, ill-informed bigoted unionist.

That goes for LOYALIST TERRORISTS who bombed Dublin & Monaghan.

Oh wait, your eternal smug hubris convinces you… You are a typical illiterate, ill-informed bigoted unionist.

Good luck with these signs if it gives you an even bigger ego.

@Tim – I pointed out your SF loyalties because you have ‘liked’ three separate SF groups on you FB profile. You say I’m ‘right wing’ but if you knew anything you’d know that right wingers are traditionally opposed the change (conservative) and its the shimmers in this thread that seem most opposed to changed.

But reading your contributions I am reminded of the Mark Twain quote “never argue with a fool, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience”

Silly me :-)

Paul: I could swear some of your political leaders idolize Adolf Hitler. Maybe I’m wrong, but they sure seem to be following some of his policies on these controversial signs.

I remember hearing someone mention that too. They said they used a steel blade to permanently scrape/engrave out the ‘London’ part so that the Roads Service couldn’t simply come along without forking out several £££ on a new sign!

There’d have to be a thousand of them.

They will most likely be in the wrong place or facing the wrong way, signs in Ireland tend to confuse tourists rather than help them.

Actually you’re wrong Damocles, you’ll see signs saying welcome to Louth/Cavan/Donegal no mention of Republic of Ireland. Last time I checked my passport it says Ireland only, Republic of Ireland is only used to appease Fifa, this is the island of Ireland all 32 counties!

And the world says that we are stupid. (US)
When I am driving in Ireland, I love seeing signs that tell me where I am.
What is the big deal about a sign telling you where you are?
You sound like a group of teenage girls.

No, John F, Land of a thousand welcomes, innit?

How placid are you?

rodrigo detriano is an intellect.

@ rodrigo detriano

Everyone cares. Signs that incite political beliefs will be frowned on by any Irish person.

Political beliefs Rob? Its a sign telling people they are in Northern Ireland! Jaysis, whats the big deal? If a tourist is driving from the ROI up to Belfast for example, why shouldnt there be a sign there telling them that theyve crossed into NI?

@darren stay down! He’s humiliating you!

Inform who…….Geographically illiterate southerners heading to ASDA to escape the Rip Off Republic?

As usual mcbab, you have nothing to contribute.

not every republican is in sf . northern ireland isnt a nationality

Why? It’s our country.

no it should say beware you’re in Northern Ireland

It should. Apologees

Ehhh….we know where the border is, maybe these signs are for the people who don’t know Fermanagh is in NI

Indeed we do, SF sometimes require a geography lesson.

Why?

Kenny’s government should’ve condemned these signs. Instead, they blindly ignored this issue. Not to worry, they will be voted out of office in 2016.

Joe,

How exactly does opposing these signs violate the peace process?

Tim, Ireland signed a treaty ceding claim over Northern Ireland, this is not a disputed territory any longer, the Republican movement were involved. I was there watching Gerry Adams and Sinn Fein and a big precession celebrating it through the streets of Dublin, mostly Republicans. Time to move on.

Nonsense! What gives tourists the right to know where they are?

mcbab’s analogy:

Lets surrender our political position. More signs I tell ya, we need more signs that symbolize the division of OUR country.

I think Virginia is hanging out in Native American land.
The Indians are a few thousand miles away from there.

“When you enter Wales and Scotland from England are there signs?”

Yes, but with Wales you can tell because it starts raining.

seamus,

Most of the posters on this article are stupid. Institutional sectarianism is rearing its ugly head again yet YOU support it blindly. Tbh, you right-wingers are part of a dying breed anyway. Look at the polls and all the disgruntled blueshirts threatening to emigrate if SF win the next election. You can do everyone a favor and emigrate to Britain. Nobody is stopping you.

Yes

I presume you were dropped on your head as a baby.

That’s just so clever. Damn, you’ve won the argument with a clever point like that!

@ Paddy Murray,

Are you a unionist by any chance?

In the past few years, the bizarre event is that the hard right, represented by many posters like you here and on the echo-chamber airwaves, have begun to borrow the most vile and disgusting habit of the 1920’s – painting yourselves as victims

The media is bad
Political signs are bad
Right-wing nuts are bad
Reporters hate Republicans..

You on the other hand are pontificating from an isolationist position, Paddy.

No I am not a Unionist. I am an Irish Republican who was ashamed to describe himself as such when psychopaths who hijacked the name, murdered hundreds of their fellow Irishmen, who didn’t share their point of view.

Paddy for an old man ye still have a bit of growing up to do …… God bless ye !!

If growing up means approving of sectarian murder, no warning bombs and killing children, I think I’ll stay the way I am.

No paddy growing up as in not making a joke out of people being shot….. You say your Irish republican can you explaine what this means thanks and just bear in mind the whole notion of republicanism comes from military action be it American , French , Irish ect , what part of all that are u proud of thanks ??

No paddy growing up as in not making a joke out of people being shot….. You say your Irish republican can you explain what this means thanks and just bear in mind the whole notion of republicanism comes from military action be it American , French , Irish ect , what part of all that are u proud of thanks ??

Darren,
Dictionary definition: 1.
of, pertaining to, or of the nature of a republic.
2.
favoring a republic.
3.
fitting or appropriate for the citizen of a republic: a very republican notion.
4.
a person who favors a republican form of government.

Give us a shout when you come across the bit about no- warning car bombs, disappearing people, sectarian massacres and murdering children.

Paddy I never agreed with and never will agree that car bombs or killing of children are anything other than wrong simple as that ……
However you need to leave your hatred of certin people where it belongs in the past….. As we all move on

P.s paddy your definition of republican was wonderfull except the part about how the actual republic was formed bombs guns killings all the stuff from which most republics come from …..
Again leave your hatred in the past where it belongs !!

You are confused. I hate nobody. I hate murder.
Criticism or even condemnation do not translate into hatred. Shooting men dead at Teebane and Kingsmill does. And don’t say it’s in the past because it’s not for the families.

Paddy that’s family’s on Both sides ……. So where does that leave us .? Should we all just give up and start fighting again ??

You don’t get it do you? Of course it doesn’t mean fighting. It means stop spending your time waiting to be offended by slightest little thing. Get on with it. Help the disadvantaged. Use your considerable energy to help others. Patriotism is wonderful. Nationalism is a curse.

Good man Tim. Utterly inaccurate, juvenile, the kind of argument I would expect from your ilk. Oh. It’s also libellous

Hey! Ladies calm down and put your differences and handbags aside.

You as a Labour Party Supporter , One would have expected a little more rationality from a person with Socialist and your stated in further blogs – your stated Republicanism, instead of a Labour Party personal anti SF rant.
Are Labour Party Members so afraid of the future of the Party arising from your Coalition contamination with FG , that you are already pre-electioneering , by attacking below the belt, the sole Socialist principled Party left in the Country – all 32 Counties, I might add!

……. or the loyalists, those taking them down.

Oh. So murder is ‘principled’ is it? Kneecapping? Bank robberies? Killing gardai? Is Three Homes Adams, who flies First Class to the States at socialist?

My God Paddy – as a declared Republican , you appear to have forgotten that the war is over – with an Internationally recognised treaty in place – SF are sharing Government in The Six Counties and are gradually rising % wise, in most every Poll taken in the 26 Counties – you as a Labour Party man surely knows the effect that this will have on what will remain of the Labour Party – when then have been further contaminated by Coalition with FG – like after the 1997 election.

It looks like SF will be the second biggest Party electorally on the Island of Ireland in the next five years.

Interesting times ahead towards the uniting of the people living on this Island of Ireland of ours.

Isn’t this really what your hatred of SF is about ?

Tim, Darren and Rob. The Larry, Curley and Moe of thejournal. At least be funny, lads, would ye?

Paddy your constant oversimplification of the conflict in Ireland would be amusing if it wasn’t so disrespectful. You persistently try to portray the Republican Movement as a group of people who just decided one afternoon to take up arms for a laugh.

We outside the realm of right-wing lunacy know that Republicanism, such as the Republicanism that demanded an alternative to the constitutional arrangements that existed pre-1998 in the occupied 6 counties was legitimate. It is also evident that the armed struggle employed by the Irish Republican Army was undertaken as an option of last resort.

Now nobody in their right mind could support every action of the IRA, indeed some acts where cynical, unnecessary and some just plain wrong, and as a Sinn Féin member I have no problem condemning such actions. But to imply that the Republican Movement as a whole where perpetually hawkish, while ignoring completely the hostile forces of British Occupation, demonstrates either one of two things in my opinion.

Either, you literally have no knowledge of Irish history or more likely that you wantonly ignore the realities of Irish history due to your political opposition of what Irish Republicanism stands for.

Antoin. You might let me know which IRA murders were acceptable to you. Teebane? Kingsmill? Bloody Friday? Warrington? Claudy? You might give me a list of the people who you believe the IRA was right to kill or maim.
I know my Irish history very, very well.
I have never excused or justified the murderous excesses of the Brits. The difference is, that the IRA murdered in my name and they hijacked my flag.
It is wonderful to hear Shinners quoting history while at the same time telling us to ‘move on’ from the death and mayhem perpetrated by the IRA.
Sinn Fein, rightly, wants an inquiry in the murder of Pat Funicane but resolutely fefuses to come clean on its campaign of mass murder.
Remember the IRA killed more Irish men, women and children, than the Brits, the RUC and Loyalist terrorists combined.

Firstly, Sinn Féin have never engaged in armed conflict,it is a political party. Secondly, Sinn Féin have stated that it supports a truth an reconciliation process for all the victims of the conflict. I understand your agenda to imply Sinn Féin and the IRA are the same, but once again your understanding of the situation and the reality of the situation are two very different things.

Its certainly not my place to clarify what actions taken during the conflict were legitimate. My opinion is that the conditions that existed in the 6 counties from the 20s to the late 60s led to a situation of revolt and counter revolt and the logical consequence was armed conflict.

I make no apologies for believing that within that framework, armed struggle was on the whole justifiable.

There is nothing more disrespectful than the taking of human life, few things more hypocritical than endorsing murder and claiming to be Christian.
It IS up to you to justify what murders you think legitimate. It is you who has differentiated between ‘mistakes’ and otherwise. You are clearly no braver than First Class Adams or McGuinness when it comes to acknowledging what the IRA did.
As for your organisation, Sinn Fein, being separate from the IRA, I presume the cross membership, Adams cheerfully telling us they hadn’t gone away and carrying the coffin of the Shankill bomber and other murderers is nothing but an unfortunate coincidence.

Tim Jackson SF minister of diplomacy

Once again Paddy a chara, you are creating your own little bubble of belligerence. Why not address the issues that I have raised, and stop trying to pull on the heart strings to justify your argument.I am aware hyperbole is your bread and butter but still, I hoped for some meaningful discourse. Once again you blissfully ignored the fact that Sinn Féin have called for a Truth and Reconciliation Commission. Martin McGuinness has expressed disgust at certain IRA actions.

My point about the Armed Conflict in general was that it was an inevitability, and Republicanism had no other recourse. When a sustainable peaceful strategy was negotiated the Republican Movement was to the forefront in making that peace work, even today Sinn Féin strives to propagate a lasting peace based on equality.

Presumptions are inherently subjective and considering your proclivities against Sinn Féin, it would be fairly safe to say that your presumptions about Sinn Féin and the IRA are probably a little bit biased.

Well, Antoin, you have me there. I AM biased against murder.
Typically, y ou avoid answering the hard question. Which murders were justified in your eyes?
And as for truth?
You are joking!!
First Class Three Homes Adams won’t admit he was ever in the IRA. McGuinness has admitted nothing at all. This is the organisation which allowed the Birmingham SIx, Guildford Four, Judith Ward and others to languish in jail, while knowing all along who had committed the crimes for which they were wrongly jailed.
Truth and Sinn Fein are not companies.
They are fierce enemies.
Justify murder all you like.
I am done conversing with people like you who justify the taking of human life.
Like all Shinners, you think you have some God given right to applaud the taking of life.
You don’t.
Only God does.

@ Amy Duskwalker . You’d think a Shinner higher-up would take Tim aside and have a quiet word, he’s not exactly improving their standing any. Good name, but the way.

And the area is still called Northern Ireland and not the 6 counties.
Have you ever met someone on holidays who told you they were from ‘one of the 6 counties’when asked cos I havent. I have however been told that they were from Northern Ireland, regardless of their surname.

Tommy C,

As a matter of fact, I overheard someone say they were from county Derry yesterday. I also overheard that some were planning to pull these signs to the ground and sold to a scrap metal merchant afterwards.

The country is called “Northern Ireland”. It has a de facto Capital. It is one of the countries of the sovereign state, “The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland” and is recognised as a country by the United Nations.

For “Ulster”, all of the counties within Northern Ireland are a part of the province of Ulster, which is a non-political entity, similar to a “parish”, or “region” and has no standing outside of private organisations (i.e. rugby and GAA) that use the historical names of provinces to group historical counties.

The country to the south, west and north of Northern Ireland on the island of Ireland is “Ireland”

Where is our “Welcome to Ireland” sign?

Really as I look outside my window in Enniskillen things seem quite nice. I’ll tell you if I see any Human Misery or cesspits

LOL Conor
+10

It is changing. Population shift from 60% to just over 50% means the unionists can no longer proclaim an outright majority. This will continue to shrink over the coming years. Becoming desperate by erecting these signs as your last hope :-)

Cool, couldn’t care less mate, there’d still have to be a vote in the Republic for it, and as much as I’m not arsed either way unification would never happen. Also I ain’t no Unionist either I’m simply Irish. sorry if I don’t conform to your belief or desires for Ireland. I’m sure you’ll come back with some comment slagging this and saying I’m this and that, but sadly for the people who want a unified Ireland it won’t happen for a good while yet. For the moment the sign simply serves purpose saying you’re entering a territory governed by different people to the one you’re leaving, makes sence. Take care man.

That survey was conducted by a biased pro-British council. You picked the worst possible source.

And I wish more irish people learned their own language and culture than spent time worrying about the 6 counties.
I think theres more chance that NI will become an Independent state than part of a united Ireland but as Im not from there, nothing that happens there politically, socially, tax wise, education wise, health wise etc affects me so leave it up to those who live there.

It’s the gaelgoer set and their cultural fascism that keeps Ireland divided.

Ah right, so you just want the ‘natives’ in Ireland but the one thing that makes them unique ie the language, you dont want any part of? Without a separate language, we are no different from the non native populations.
What do you want? Ireland in name only?

A majority. There will be more in the North (that’s Northern Ireland) in favour of unity. But by then there’ll be a majority in the South against it.

I wonder what would happen if that happened. The people of Northern Ireland voting to join the Republic of Ireland. Will it happen peacefully or will it lead to a long period of shootings, bombs and death? Is it something the Unionists will resist that way? Just a question, not a view one way or the other. Also, in any vote to separate from the UK, would they/should they also have the choice of becoming their own independent state? I really would like to know the views from people in Northern Ireland on this, because I have noticed there can be a fair bit of animosity shown towards the people from Northern Ireland by some people in the South (including Catholic/Nationalists)… so should we take it for granted that all the people in Northern Ireland we would expect to vote to join the Republic, will actually do that?

Welcome in our own country?! You have the neck…

That’s the beauty of my version, Tim. (my modesty knows nom bounds)
Take from it whichever meaning you want.
These signs, like life, will encourage some people to go out of their own way just to be offended and outraged.

*knows no bounds.
Nomming bounds is what happens in forty shades of green, I er, mean fifty shades.

Actually, I just thought, and correct me if I’m wrong, while driving I have seen signs such as Welcome to the (sunny) South East and Welcome to the South West… just saying like

The Unionists excel at flagwaving. Take a drive through Carrickfergus and take a look. But what actually hits you is that it’s a huge case of insecurity. As for the “oh, im not from there, doesnt bother me” brigade, do try think of your fellow Irish people who have to put up with this and the burning of our flag on a ritual basis.

Thank you Ms. Kennedy. God bless Ireland and America.

A slap in the face? Seriously, an American on here moaning about land being taken from the natives.
Dont make me laugh Virginia. There are enough rednecks in your country for you to concern yourself with rather than concerning yourself with the one I live in.
I see the American flag flying high all over the US. Is that a slap in the face for the native Americans? Are you going to stop flying the US flag incase it insults the natives?95% of posters on this topic are from the Republic of Ireland. DO not tell us how we should feel or act.

who are the ” real Irish”?

Who’s it occupied by? The people that are living there and that have lived there for years?

Who? The biggest mass murdering terrorist group in history – The British Army.

Planting British colonists doesn’t make it any less part of Ireland. No more than areas of Britain with significant Irish communities makes said areas any less part of Britain.

Well that’s strange Gearóid because I just spent the weekend in NI and didn’t see a single soldier. Just saw plenty of people going about their normal business and getting on with life.

What was done two or three hundred years ago can’t be changed. What would you like to do, send them back to Scotland or wherever they cam from? Time for a dose of reality for you Gearóid!

Reg,

They are pulling it over eyes without you realizing. It’s part of a slow process of institutional sectarianism which most posters on here are too dumb to even realize.

So because you didn’t see any British soldiers they don’t exist? Impeccable logic there Reg. The British Army, MI5 and all their other colonial apparatus still maintain a presence in Ireland.

And what part of my argument suggested sending people “back to Scotland”? The Unionist community have every right to be here, but not to subvert the will of the Irish people. The partition of Ireland was created by a criminal act of gunboat diplomacy, it is unjust and illegitimate. Perhaps it’s time for you to take the quasi-unionist blinkers off.

Oh I’m sure they exist alright Gearoid. Using emotive language like occupation is just emotive nonsense. Is Scotland occupied because BA soldiers are based there?

How is it “emotive nonsense”? When exactly were the British Army invited into Ireland? It may not suit your apologetic point of view but the facts bear this out. I suppose your one of those people who think the British Army was some kind of benevolent peacekeeping force in Ireland.

One could arguably make the case that Scotland is under occupation. I wouldn’t though, as Scotland has had a completely dynamic within the Union which doesn’t equate with Ireland. However, Alex Salmond famously said the British government was “a government of occupation” imposed on Scots.

*different dynamic

You seem to be in a bit of a time warp Gearoid. Fast forward to 2012 and you will find that both Scotland and Northern Ireland have their own parliaments with many devolved powers. Still a work in progress though. The status of NI has been settled for the time being and until the people decide otherwise. That’s democracy.

Its people like you who cause division Rob!

No it’s not.

No its not, most of Donegal is in Ireland, not Northern Ireland. No… the name of the country is not the Republic of Ireland, it’s just Ireland.

Donegal is at the top end of the country so yes it is in northen ireland

It is part of the republic that’s a fact, Donegal uses the euro and is not governed by the UK so no, it’s not Northern Ireland. I’m not even from Ireland and I know that…

I think we should give Kevin Dillon and Philip Riordan geography lessons.

I see what’s going on here. Catherine, I think the lads here are basically looking at Ireland as the whole island, so Donegal is in the north of the country (no doubt about that), so is in Northern Ireland (like York is in Northern England)… as opposed Donegal being in the state (or whatever the appropriate term is) of Northern Ireland… they are saying this as dramatic way to demonstrate that they don’t think Northern Ireland should be separate from the Republic of Ireland…

Given that Kevin Dillon used a small n for northern Ireland, the replies were unintentionally hilarious. Of course Donegal is in northern Ireland, in fact the most northernly part of Ireland is in Donegal.

To take ‘up the ’cause’? Oh here we go! Another migrant with romantic notions of how Ireland should be. Is the Quiet man your favourite film too? I think redneck actually suots you even more now. Poor Donegal. And to think, I was cheering for them at the weekend.

Yu have spent the past however number of years as a settler on native American land. I bet you dont get the irony!!

By “taking up the cause” do you mean engaging in criminal activity?? I’ll be sure to tell the Government …

Rob. You need to calm down !

Rob relax there and reel your neck back in. You know nothing about my beliefs or political views so dont judge me. I can clearly see where you stand and that is your right, whether or not I agree with it does not give you the right to call me or others stupid. Let them put up signs, will it change anything, no. Has anybody ever asked the people of Northern Ireland what flag they wanted to salute?

She is home! Shes in the US. Pretty much like anyone who is from NI is home regardless of them being a Republican , Loyalist or whatever. What happened in the past is done and for an American to claim that a person from NI of English, scottish heritage or whatever is a ”foreign settler” is the pot calling the kettle black.

I thought that manking has moved on just a little in the past 100 years. Some people obviously, have not.

No! My family are from Monaghan! I want that for myself!

Sure Tommy C… I could pretend my family are from Monaghan too. It is clear you are a blue-nose. You aren’t very clever at hiding that either.

Thats great! So you live in a mixed area but youre going to come to ireland and insist that its not mixed! Youre the worst kind of migrant, a hypocrite and a bigot.
You hang the green white and gold? Its green white and Orange Virginia. Do yu have a clue what the orange represents? The protestant people of this Island. They belong on this island as much as the rest of us regardless of religion or political affiliation/
.My surname is O’Murchu by the way, just in case you were interested. Dad from Cork, Mam from Monaghan and Im born and raised in Dublin.
Remeber that you and all those people you share a community with are settlers on native American land. How does that feel?

Americans do not have respect for the Irish people.I have seen that joke of a website irish central. The worst kind of bigots are on that site. Complaining about British people, Irish people having kids outside marriage, claiming the church has nothing to hide, complaining about contraception, migrants into Ireland. Disgusting.
The fact that we have cars and electricity seems to upset them.
They wont be happy until we are living in the Quiet man set. The might respect the irish of the 1950s but heaven forbid we have a contemporary culture!
People like you just cannot see how you being a settler in the US is no different to those people of British lineage. You have more in common with them than anyone else.

the fact that you even use the term ‘real irish’ is disgusting.
So I bet jason Sherlock, Paul McGrath, Phil Lynnott wouldnt be the ‘real irish’? What about our legend of a sports person Katie Taylor? her dad is from Yorkshire. Does this mean Katie isnt one of the ‘real irish’?

Ms. Kennedy,

Tommy C is a loyalist in disguise. They frequent this website anytime the issue of our 6 counties arises. Irish people LOVE America and Irish-Americans. Sometimes, loyalist protestants are referred to as blue-noses over here. They are basically part of a shrinking minority. They once represented 60% of the population. Today, they are just over 50%. I bet Tommy C is going out of his way because he knows we are maddening him!

such respect for the Irish flag that you don’t know its true colours>>>

One has to look inside the mentality of the Scottish settler. They were traditionally diagnosed with different mental disorders (including autism).

Ireland will always remain close to Irish-America. There is nothing any unionist can do about this except go on a commentary blather. Usually, the ilk of Tommy C receives their weekly entitlements where working for a living is optional. He proves your point.

Virginia, the world mocks plastic paddies like you for their stupidity, not irish people

or Scottish people