Won’t someone think of the children?

Now stay on subject Tom

Lars Ulrich led the campaign against Napster, hardly and old fogey. He was more articulate than the tech guys who thought they were up against a brain dead rocker. His argument was simple. He created a product and people had a choice whether to buy it.

Lars Ulrich would have to wait a month or two more for his solid gold Rolls Royce. How could someone live in such a world.
*violin plays softly

So because Lars is rich, it’s ok to steal his stuff?

duh Tom, of course :P dig up Tom dig up

He has plenty of ways of making money. People will always pay for convenience. Netflix is super convenient and fairly priced.
Lars can have his music streamed live for free from the Metallica website. But if I want to create a playlist that I can share or download the music and use it on different devices, I have to pay for it. Could be a small monthly subscription to whatever he is producing, competitions, discounts for live tickets shows etc. Ulrich is far from the poor house just yet.

*and he is most definitely an old fogey.

The mainstream media ignored this government’s attack on our democracy until this morning, despite a campaign to get them to talk about it. If it takes hacktivists to get the story out to the general public, then in my opinion, let them do it. The anger on boards, twitter, and here wont’t be heard by any one. btw, who here has called sherlock’s office to voice their disdain? if you haven’t then stop bleating.

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Only in response Liam.

Claiming politicians are unworthy because they aren’t tech savvy is silly on many levels.

Liam you’re dead right. The world is adapting, we now have new ways of working and enjoying. The nub of the problem is the Record Industry has failed to adapt new business models that take advantage of technological advances.

On the otherhand the Music industry (very different to the Record industry) HAS adapted: musicians are using advances in technology to raise profile and fan-base with free downloads, promos on the web, self publishing & digital sales etc. accessing market-places thousands of miles beyond their local town-hall.

Technological advances mean we can share qiuckly and easily – the future is collaboration and a spirit of generosity is positive.

These Irish SOPA type laws fly in the face of human instinct. They are intended to make content-carries paranoid which ultimately will restrict access to self-publishing – and restricting new material will protect the interests of Record Industry much more effectively than removing copyright-breaching material. This is – in fact – their strategy.

To avoid litigation carriers will make us jump through loops to prove every piece of content we submit is beyond copyright question (I jump through hurdles every time we manufacture a CD release). Eventually we’ll stop sharing and return to couch-consumers as Clay Shirky would say.

His TED talk on the subject is well worth watching.
Here’s a link (if Journal.ie don’t allow links you’ll find it on my twitter):
http://www.ted.com/talks/defend_our_freedom_to_share_or_why_sopa_is_a_bad_idea.html?utm_source=Digital+Paper&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed:+TEDTalks_video+%28TEDTalks+Main+%28SD%29+-+Site%29

Politicians are unworthy on many levels but they spend plenty of money for the advice of more articulate people in their chosen field of ignorance. The whole things sounds like the Dail are going to try and impose laws that will not distinguish between the internet and the physical world. It would be no harm to bring in some experts or as they are no doubt dubbed in the Dail “NERDS”.

Sherlock was the spokesperson for agriculture and has a qualification in Politics/Economics; he doesn’t stand out as a man who is particularly well versed in the logistics and intricacies of internet copyright law, does he?

not new apparently – but still funny.

I have to agree David.

These anonymous DDos attacks have allowed the government to focus on anonymous and “responding to the threat” rather then answering to the nearly 30,000 irish citizens who have signed the petition at http://stopsopaireland.com/.

This article only mentions the petition as an afterthought and doesn’t link to it.

People should sign the petition and then contact your TDs. This is what will change their minds, not juvenile attempts to take down websites which TDs wont understand.

You paid somebody two grand to change your WPA key?

he works in a school so I presume he didn’t pay….we did.

It crashed the server so it needed to be reconfigured.

Ur fighting a losing battle tom. But I do like ur reference to the government being antiquated….spot on.

They won’t get caught because when technology does catch up to them, they will already have figured out 10 more new ways of doing it. I wouldn’t call these guys brilliant but there are others out there who are and will always be two steps ahead.

At least they’re doing something Tom! There’s so much shite being thrown and us and we just stand openmouthed waiting for the next dose some government monkey dishes out.
They knocked out a website for a while to raise awareness and finally stand up for something and I applaud them!

Christopher…you’re right. They are doing something. They are taking down a website. And this affects nobody except those who use it. Do you think politicians lost sleep over this? No. A mild annoyance at best. I always laugh when I meet people who think they stuck it to a politician. None of these guys have a clue reallt. Honest politicians only get annoyed when you lie and dishonest ones only get annoyed when you tell the ttuth.

They made their presence known tom….that was the point of the exercise. To let the government know that this isn’t going to go unnoticed. And as ferghal said they will always be two steps ahead when most of these government ministers barely know the basics when it comes to technology, computers and the internet.

They made their presence known? So govts don’t know hackers ecist? Lol.

So Niamh, it’s ok to attack someone cause they’re not tech savvy? I bet you’re fun with old people. So it’s my parents fault for being old and not tech savvy so they and all older people deserve to be attacked?

You sound like a rational person.:)

Ur hilarious tom. Do you have an off button? Maybe try switching it off and turning it back on again.

I’ll take that as an admission that your atrack on not tech savvy folkd was wrong.

Now stay on subject.

so you admit that your government is antiquated and clueless when it comes to technology. They are three ones trying to force through a law that will drag the useful websites through endless copyright court actions effectively putying them offline. We are an it country and this will destroy all that we have built up. Look at the bigger picture tom. This is being led by the massive record industry. It its not in or country’s best interests, but thats nothing new, your government hasn’t a clue what is in this country best interests. Today being case in point.

Niamh, old people may not be tech savvy. So yes old people are uncool though I don’t share your distain for older people.

Oh dear….

Wot are you on about old people for? Have you something against old people? I’m talking about your government…..

I admire your concern for the old people Tom. Pity your party doesn’t share it tho.

Calm down dear. You’re getting all upset because old people aren’t tech savvy.

This hacking was the equivalent of ringing a doorbell and running away. And then congratulating yourselves on just how clever you are.

If ur going to use childish analogies tim then put simply what ur government is doing is taking away the ball when people are still using it with the excuse “big boys made me do it” I hope there is no copyright on the ball tom because they will be after that next…..

Running away with the ball is the same as stopping piracy????
Explain please.

Don’t be fooled, this isn’t about stopping piracy, its about record companies throwing their weight around and of them continuing to rip off the consumer.

So record companies are ripping you off?

Here’s a shocking idea- don’t buy the product.
I think Brown Thomas is a rip off but rather than steal from them, I simply don’t buy there. Problem solved.
I am amazed how you think stealing is acceptable for non essential items.

it’s a mistake to think that anonymous is a specific group of people, it isn’t, sure there are particularly vocal people in anonymous, but it’s just the general public for the most part, no different from the occupy movement, concerned citizens is all (and some jokers), maybe a few angst ridden teenagers.
These ddos attacks don’t mean much, I could teach my three year old to do a ddos attack, but it might get interesting if some more actual hacker individuals get involved.
What’s happening now is nothing, whether or not it escalates is another thing.

http://xkcd.com/932/

Also, hackers are building this technology, technology doesn’t catch up with them, they set the agenda.

Scarlet for ya Tom, you’d think by now you’d have realised with all the red thumbs that you’re wrong. Proper scarlet. Now go ‘way and drink some Barrys and listen to Andre Rieu ^_^

Ah now Danny, attacking my taste in tea or music is a unusual tactic. I presume you haven’t got an actual criticism:)

Thumbs down? Reminds me of when I was part of the small % who said Bertie was making a balls of things. I don’t worry what FFers on a website say. You’d be better off getting your own house in order.

Tom it is pointless trying to argue against something that you obviously know nothing about. I know ur continuity ff but there has to come a point where even blinkered a you are you cannot deny the facts and defend what is essentially an outdated oldfashioned bunch of cronie who are not very tech savvy.(to use ur expression) introducing legislation that they knower little our nothing about. Educate yourself….
http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/reader-irelands-sopa-a-faq/