He must never have been in Morocco if he thinks Muslim’s do not take drugs.

Also, you see them sitting outside coffee and tea shops with the pots full of red wine and not a stew of coffee.

thejournal did a piece just yesterday I think on media responsibility when reporting around isis etc. This is the kind of area where it should be applied, this guy is a thug of the highest order and deserves no platform.

Also, many Muslims in Morocco, Tunisia and Egypt have said the exact same thing to me with big smiles.
Men and boys are for sex, woman are for babies.
Who does that guy think he is fooling?

being naked on beaches drinking drugs these are all rejected by Muslims…. sharia law and treating women like working animals, normal society rejects this so why does he not go to a country where they share his views oh probably because countries like that are 3rd world and he would have to give up the western luxurious he us used to. I try not to tar all Muslims with the same brush but very rarely see their leaders speak out when stuff like this happens. getting a little sick of idiots like him.

Or around Bahrain of a Thursday-Friday night…blasphemous in the extreme…

The irony of this twit going on about western people “encroaching on the muslim world” whilst he moves to the UK, claims social welfare and tries to impose Sharia must be completely lost on him. Time to deport him to somewhere he might appreciate more.

Avina. How do you deport an English born, UK citizen out of their country of birth?

He can be thrown under a bus .

@ seamus banna this is exactly it! very soon here in ireland we will be dealing with second generation muslims , this is where the real trouble starts! but have our government learned about or studied places like bolton/ birmingham….oh no! they are looking at the plans for a second mosque!!!

Ann if people are treated with respect they will return it in my experience. If people are treated oppressively they will lash out as Irish Catholics did during the Penal Laws. Treating a muslim as a potential terrorist makes us no better then the Brits that treated the Irish in the UK as PIRA terrorists. It is peoples complete ignorance of Islam that drives fear and loathing and then onto conflict. Sure it might have it’s fanatics but so too does Christianity. Go to the Bible belt in the US and tell me the difference between some of those so called men of God and the takfiri Iman’s of Wahhabism.

Never been to the liquor stores in the Canaries either. Quite happy profitably selling alcohol and smokes to the holiday makers

the canaries are Spanish

“Go to the Bible belt in the US and tell me the difference between some of those so called men of God and the takfiri Iman’s of Wahhabism.”

Well for starters the bible bashing nutters don’t decapitate people and nail their heads to fences, or start spraying AK47 bullets at innocent people in the name of their religion.

People who follow any religoin are idiots imo, but people who follow a religoin that was stared by a peadophile are worng uns !

And saying all ‘Brits’ treat the Irish as terrorists is exactly the same as what Choudry is saying about Muslims and the West. Smells like hypocrisy…
Its time to let the past go and stop equating present day Britain and British people with the Penal laws and the decisions of the Thatcher Government. Peace is peace and it will be lost if we don’t keep seeking it out, whichever country or religion is involved.

spot on carina,

They have an atrocious problem with drugs in Iran, I believe.

@ seamus banna, while i am a huge advocate of looking at history to learn etc , your example does not compare with 21st century living! in most parts of the world the muslim community is treated with respect and mostly out of fear!! as far as ignorance of islam……many people have no desire to know anything about islam….its not what they want to be part of or follow , so why should they have any knowledge of it and to be honest over most recent years what we all have learnt, seen or witnessed has been death, beheadings, torture, killing innocents, killing innocent holiday makers and the abuse of females. i agree that of course christianiity has many many flaws and a history that is shameful but 21st christianity is not beheading , killing etc innocent people!

Canaries may be Spanish, but the off-licence owners don’t seem to be. Same seems to be true for Salut, Barcelona, and a good swathe of the Algarve, and also Metropolitan London, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Munich, Frankfurt, Luxembourg, Brussels, Bruges, Paris, and just about every city or town I’ve ever been to outside of Ireland. I think Carina’s point was that Muslims have no issues with alcohol, smokes, and top-shelf magazines, as long as it’s cash in the till…

religious principles are bad for business, and Muslims like to turn a profit just like everyone else’s. it seems you must be on their side of the fence breaking the rules for them to turn a blind eye.

@Tony Canning. Nonsense! He was schooled by the Muslim Brotherhood whose party in Tunisia won over 27% of the popular vote in the last election. Most definitely no lone nutjob/thug.
Sousa is also a stronghold of the Takfiri-Salafists fendamentalists who are the MB’s and ISIS religious inspiration.
Over 27%. That’s a lot of people who believe in “Kill them wherever you find them!”

The Quran:
Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing…
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)

Then all the Pakistan natives and others should clear off back to their homelands. This cleric is exactly the people that should be locked in a black hole.

Well Ann I hate to tell you but there are already two mosque in Dublin and has been for many years so maybe get the facts before making a comment , clearly you are not up to speed on the muslim community in Ireland

Well said Seamus , myself I feel it has to do more with White supremacy and ignorance

Sorry again Ann , “what we all have learned and seen” on who’s behalf are you speaking on , it really does show your ignorance when you make a comment on something you then say you don’t want to know about. You are only feeding back what you are feed it seems and badly I may add and please try and refrain from using the word WE when you are giving your personal opinion .

Seamus, I’m sure he is being watched by Australia also. He is a nasty piece of work. Typical uneducated Muslim, even if he is a lawyer, who blames everyone else for their problems.

@ rosemarie slamon for your information i am talking about the plans to build a new mosque in dublin…well aware of the mosques in dublin and especially in clonskeigh! looks like rosmarie your the one that needs to check!!!!

@ rosemarie ” white supremacy and ignorance”, are you joking!!!

@ rosemarie you really need to read comments more carefully, i never said i was speaking on anyones behalf!!??? however, since all news is distributed through all forms of media WE can all read and hear it! the sad thing is your are trying miserably to defend the actions of this vile organisation. i will end with this just wonderful to see and hear the stories of the brave people that tried to help on that beach…it truely shows that there are more good people in the world than the evil you are trying to defend.

rosemarie just to point out ” myself i feel” i would rethink that , seeing you can point out how ” badly” i phrase my comments!!

Rosemarie while Ann may not be accurate on all her facts and her and her use of the word WE seems to bother you more than terrorism she is absolutely right about places like Bolton which are not communities but ghettos. Muslims don’t integrate into other cultures or societies they move in and before long the swamp an area. You either join them or you piss off. I don’t know how many bloody mosques are in Ireland but I do know WE need to be very careful about allowing anymore.

Speak for yourself Fionn. My muslim friends who abhor terrorism as much as you or I, are very welcome here and in my home. Your comment is closed minded and prejudiced and only will breed more extremism.

Westerners never try to change laws in Islamic countries,they are the visitors.England is England.Abide to their own rules.

Ross, maybe your Muslim friends should make more of a stance and denounce the radical views of their fellow Muslims. And when last did the Muslim community out one of their members as a terrorist?

The Muslim community?!! 1.6 billion people is a community with a shared voice? How ridiculous. When was the last time the Christian ‘community’ denounced the radical views of the Westboro baptist church? You talk of Muslims as if they were all the same and all sharing the same views. As you will see from reading other comments here, there are Muslims who drink, do drugs, hate the burka, despise sharia law and abhor terrorism and then there are Muslims who are the exact opposite and kill people for their religious beliefs. You can’t lump all 1.6 billion Muslims into the same box, as much as you’d like to.
Yes I agree that mosques and immams should be more vocal in denouncing these atrocities but it’s in the nature of religious institutions to keep shtum as long as they can on matters that might make them look bad or lose followers – just think on the vatican’s silence on so many atrocities..

http://www.channel4.com/news/hero-of-sousse-mayel-moncef-tried-to-stop-tunisia-attack This builder dropped tiles on the head of the Tunisia attacker shouting “you terrorist, you dog”.

He told Jonathan Miller “all I did was my duty, the duty of any Muslim”

Well said Ross… I have spent the last 8 years traveling between Muslim countries.. Always feel very welcome and also I have Muslim friends who all strongly disagree with ISIS and their beliefs. We should not tar all Muslims with the same brush. ISIS are radicals who not only target the West but target their own. Take the bombing of the Mosque in Kuwait as a perfect example.

Fantastically put Ross

@ ross stewart….i wonder how far your ” friendship” would go if they had to prove their loyalty to their muslim brotherhood!

But why would they lose followers for condemning these atrocities? Unless their followers agree with the extremists.They shouldn’t give a shit if it makes them look bad. Who are they going to look bad to?They I either agree with the extremists ar they don’t. 3 irish people lost their lives and not on Islamic religious leader that I have heard has apologised or condemned.

Yeah, it’s been very quiet from Clonskeagh. Yet they expect us to support ISIS’s friends in the Muslim Brotherhood and their “Irish” member (Ibrahim Halawi) currently incarcerated in Egypt.

Jason, the government of Tunisia denounced the attacks, the muslim community council leader in Ireland denounced the attacks. Locals in Sousse staged a massive March and vigil the night of the attack in Sousse. These were all widely reported over the past few days.

Do you have a link for the Irish one, because I haven’t seen anything from Irish Muslim leaders. I have a few Muslim friends and they were all abhorrent. But I still haven’t seen anything from their leaders here. And, considering they are in Ireland, after 3 Irish people died in an attack perpetrated supposedly in the name of Islam, you’d expect a much more open and definitive condemnation.

The government in Tunisia are liberal , if the Muslim community council leader in ireland denounced the attacks he must have done it under his breath because I certainly did not hear it. What sickened me most is when the reporters went to the terrorists home town and the locals said they couldn’t believe that he had done it. Two women even said they would pray for his soul, but not one condemned or even mentioned the victims of his actions.

that is such a ridiculous comment..

@Ross, not really a good answer, more like a prepared speech… You never answered the question

He’s English that’s why he is living in England. Not all people who are born in England are white.

This guy is the Willie Frazer of Islam. His group al muhajiroun are some bunch of lunatics who want Islam to take over the UK with Sharia Law taking over from common law. The problem with these nutjobs is that the people who oppose them are as clueless as they are. By that I mean that there is a knee jerk reaction to that is out of all proportion to the actions of these radical muslim groups which only serves to further inflame tensions. If people were more educated about them rather than getting there information from the Daily Mail then there might be a better understanding of how to defeat them.

Look at this article for instance. The amount of people who automatically assumed that just because this nutjob is a muslim and brown must mean that he was born abroad. He was born in Welling which is about 12 miles from Buckingham Palace so there is no point in telling him to go home assuming that he is going to end up in some Arab country! If the Brits could get rid of him they would in a heartbeat.

It is better off to treat people like him for what they are and that is a as clown that should also be treated with caution because he is charismatic and his words do incite some people. He doesn’t have to convert all Muslims to his cause so as to achieve his aims, just enough to commit the sort of attacks that he refuses to condemn. If he is given media time then it should be so that he message is taken apart and shown to be one at odds with true Islam.

You have to ask why he is given media time…..all media thrives on controversy so that people are emotionally engaged enough to watch the adverts for cars, cosmetics and constipation – if you did not hate this clown or any number of others like him, you would not be helping the economy by being open to ads inducing you to buy more crap and keep the television station in business…simple as, and if the TV station did not stay in business we would not have a “free” (LOL) press. So get with the program !

Capitalist…perhaps all, media thrives on controversy so that people are emotionally engaged enough to watch the adverts for cars, cosmetics and constipation – if you did not hate this clown or any number of others like him, you would not be helping the economy by being open to ads inducing you to buy more crap and keep the television station in business…simple as, and if the TV station did not stay in business we would not have a “free” (LOL) press. So get with the program !

There are. In the same way as people commenting on this story support the westboro baptist church. They’re still a fringe minority.

The muslims effectively supporting ISIS with real big money funding are very rich Salafist and Wahhabi arabs in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. The Wahabbi muslims are about 200 years in existence. One of their first acts was to blow up the prophet Mohammed’s tomb in 1804. The states that support these people are also allegedly allies of the west yet the west tolerates citizens of these countries, in effect, financing private wars against the west. It just shows both the power of big money and the limits of democracy when our own governments are unwilling to tackle the super rich in these countries…..hey, what am I saying, when has any western government being willing to tackle the super rich anywhere…..don’t we bail out their private banks for them all over the kip…

Would you call 27% a fringe minority? 27% of British Muslims sympathized with the killings of the Charlie hebdo staff. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11433776/Quarter-of-British-Muslims-sympathise-with-Charlie-Hebdo-terrorists.html

The attacker in Kuwait was a Saudi. AQAP in Yemen are being allowed to flourish so as to get the Shiite militias out of Yemen. “Ghost” planes accidentally/deliberately dropped arms and supplies into Iraq last year to support ISIS. The aircraft were ID’d by people in the ground as C-130 Hercules aircraft of which the Saudis have 30. To be fair it could have been the UAE as well but the point is how did these planes go into a part of the world that is being watched day and night by a host of means and intel agencies and no-one knows where the planes came from or went?

The Saudis are laughing at the West every single day. We buy their oil, pay for their sports cars and hookers and in return they blow us up.

Myles you forgot to mention

“At the same time, the polling shows a high degree of loyalty to Britain, with 95 per cent saying they feel loyal, and 93 per cent saying British laws should always be obeyed.”
“However, some 20 per cent say Western society is incompatible with Islam, 46 per cent say British is becoming less tolerant of Muslims and prejudice against Islam makes it “very difficult” being Muslim in Britain. Of those polled, 35 per cent said they did not feel British people trust Muslims.”

i’d say the last few points might have something to do with people cherry picking data from polls.

I’d say it has more to do with Choudary and his ilk.

Sounds like you have an excellent grasp of the situation there Supernova.

as usual

I know what the story is about “justanothertaxpayer” that doesn’t mean I’m not aloud to make a comment slightly off topic. Who cares anyway.. Only you

I ,ve never known a Brit with their opinion,How s the table manners?

Are his views any worse than those of the provisional IRA that for so many years were tolerated, understood, contextualised – made OK, for the soft underbelly of Republican support they received in this country?? But then again the provisional IRA were not killing citizens of the Irish Republic nor were they blowing up holiday resorts here. So that was different.

Next time I meet his boyfriend I’ll ask

Lol! There You go. Answer in one.

I’m not sure what you’re assuming from that answer. But, regarding women I’ve never once heard him espouse them being subjugated or treated any differently because of their sex. Liberal Muslims do actually exist.

Fair play to him if he’s a liberal on social issues.
A brave member of the minority.

No, they rape kids and cover it up.

Generations of children who were raped and women who were falsely imprisoned and had their children snatched from them would probably have preferred the less painful and quicker punishment.