Support from readers like you keeps The Journal open.
You are visiting us because we have something you value. Independent, unbiased news that tells the truth. Advertising revenue goes some way to support our mission, but this year it has not been enough.
If you've seen value in our reporting, please contribute what you can, so we can continue to produce accurate and meaningful journalism. For everyone who needs it.
A BRAZILIAN JUDGE locked in a legal row with X owner Elon Musk said yesterday he would reinstate the social network in Brazil if a fine of around $1.8 million (€1.65m) was paid.
Supreme Court Justice Alexandre de Moraes last month ordered X to be shut down in Brazil, after Musk refused to remove dozens of right-wing accounts and then failed to name a new legal representative in the country as ordered.
Moraes said that for X to be reactivated it must pay a fine of 10 million reais ($1.84 million), after denying a request to lift the suspension.
He also said yesterday that the platform will be penalised for failing for two days to comply with an order to suspend the use of a server that allowed it to temporarily circumvent the nationwide ban.
Advertisement
File image of Brazilian Supreme Court Chief Justice Alexandre de Moraes Alamy Stock Photo
Alamy Stock Photo
High-profile judge Moraes has been engaged in a long feud with Tesla and SpaceX owner Musk as part of his drive to crack down on disinformation in Brazil.
The clash between the Brazilian court and the billionaire has morphed into a high-stakes tussle testing the limits of both freedom of expression and corporate responsibility in South America’s largest country.
X had more than 22 million users in Brazil before the ban, which came into place on 31 August.
The company has in the last week started complying with the Brazilian court’s conditions to get reactivated, such as appointing a legal representative in the country.
Musk has repeatedly hit out at Moraes in social media posts, calling him an “evil dictator” and dubbing him ‘Voldemort’ after the villain from the Harry Potter series.
Information or disinformation ? Who decides which it is. ? And what about hidden information ? And the widespread cherry picking of information by mass media to tilt opinion. ?
@Brendan O’Brien: Facts are “right wing” is the scape goat everywhere when it comes to use common sense. You don’t like illegal immigration? You are right wing. You don’t like spending millions on “development help” to other useless countries? Right wing. You don’t like the fact that Ireland is friend with terrorists groups? Right wing. Nobody likes Brendan? Right wing! Brendan has no friends! Righttt wing!!!
@Brendan O’Brien: If you actually believe that, then you are beyond naive.
Those with the power to apply censorship or penalties against publishers of media/information online decide what is or isn’t deemed misinformation or disinformation, which is why they continue to try to regulate the Internet itself and all the platforms on it.
Facts have no bearing on it, in practice facts that are inconvenient to the powerful but true, are referred to as mal-information…
@Brendan O’Brien: Faucci told the world masks don’t work, 20 minutes later he’s advocating mask mandates. Should he have been allowed on every MSM channel to spread his opinions? While experts on the field were banned from twitter for expressing their opinions?
@Brendan O’Brien: Dude, it’s depressing to see these piranha accounts swarm around you for simply pointing out that factual information matters. Musk plays fast and loose with ‘free speech’ and bans or buries Twitter users who criticise him, contradict his obvious agenda, or who offer a balanced view point. Musk is a damaged man looking to spread his own personal damage to the online world, both to feed his demons and distract from his gross failings as a man and businessman.
@Brendan O’Brien: I didn’t say any such thing. Disinformation has always existed and was and is primarily propagated by governments and intelligence agencies.
But the thrust of current censorship and the desire to impose total online censorship, isn’t motivated by the protection of national interests.
It is driven by globalist interests that want to silence all legitimate dissent and are using politicians and judges to silence their own countries population and the false flag of the protection of children and the vulnerable as an excuse for draconian overreach.
@ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: If you are seeking to define the absolute embodiment of a bad player generating and spreading lies to destabilise, continents, nations, regions, and societies to foster conflict for gain or profit, then look no further than the USA and its corporate backers. That’s not hyperbole or misinformation, because history itself since World War two illustrates it perfectly.
@Brendan O’Brien: Nonsense.. Facts were irrelevant to the government as they tried to push the referendum through.. It has been proven that they mislead the Irish people. Now that is a fact Brendan. RTE also engage is misinformation and misleading facts.. one of the anti immigration rallies in Dublin a few months ago, they reported in their 88 word article, that a small crowd of several hundred people were present. In fact it was several thousand .. Irish Examiner reported in excess of 5,000.. So ” facts” can be an irrelevance to all sides it would seem.. when you have an agenda / narrative to push.
@sean weir: Editors selecting and omitting news and different opinions is an issue. Large numbers of people rely solely on RTÉ news and think they are fully informed.
@William Slevin: At least invent another account to reply to my comment. As soon as I see your account name replying I can just image what you’re going to resort to. Blah, blah, blah!
@Alex: in a post about ‘ facts’ you claim that “ Ireland is friends with terrorists”. Care to give us evidential facts behind that statement. Or shall I just put it down to right wing ranting????
@William Slevin: No matter how you to to spin it, multiple fact checks show that these claims made about Fauci are lies.
Which you continue to spread, in keeping with your nature, and your mission.
Do you think the russian will ever be able to overcome its nature, its National Disease?
Do you think christi-fascists will ever be able to face the truth, the truth about themselves?
Do you think US Republicans will ever be able to shed their racism?
@ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: there is video footage of him saying masks don’t work. There is video footage of him saying masks do work. Post whatever links you want. His actions speak for themself
@Mick O’K: Do you believe you have some level of intelligence?
If you do, you will have already fact-checked these videos.
And know they are false, i.e make false claims.
So there are 2 possibilities
1) You simply took these at face value, and chose to believe them, without any “do your own research”, e en though there was considerable noise being generated about them.
Does that make you seem rational and intelligent?
2) You now know these are false claims but somehow are unable to admit you are, and were, wrong. Particularly to yourself
Not only that, but knowing you are wrong you still decide to continue spreading these lies.
What does that make of you?
Now, do tell us, what do you think should happen to those who spread lies that results in harm, in suffering, in death?
@thomas molloy: that is something I have never seen or read in any Irish media. I fact I regularly read and see condemnation of Hamas and hezbollah. Are you on the Zionist path of conflating the innocent Palestinians and now Lebanese civilians being murdered daily as either of those 2 groups.
@Paul Murphy: Absolutely no, I’m not extreme right wing, but freedom of expression is the bedrock of a free democratic society. Example, Dr.Ali Selim is a person that has no place in Ireland, an Egyptian radical now Irish citizen who preaches Shariah in Ireland.
As much I’d personally love his citizenship revoked and his twitter account closed, we, as free society must digest him.
@J Ven: freedom of expression comes with a responsibility to use such responsibly. It shouldn’t be a free for all to say horrible, discriminatory, bigoted stuff because you can.
@Emily Dalton: Yes it should my little snowflakes. I am for 100% freedom of expression but 100% consequences of what you said. That’s how it should work. You deny publicly the SHOA took place like many Muslim in Ireland? Fine you can say it, but here is your fine of 10000€ for spreading lies.
@William Slevin: You simply do not like your lies and other nonsense having been shown for what they are.
So.now, would you care to answer the questions that “Alex” is running away from?
Do you believe the Nazis should have been allowed to fabricate and spread the lies that led to so much suffering and abuses?
Do you believe such lies should be allowed today?
@Emily Dalton: That is a popular misconception propogated by those that do or wish to censor free expression.
The only things that should be censored are slander, libel, defamation, and incitement to violence or illegal activities, all of which are already illegal or punishable through existing legal measures.
Disagreement or hurt feelings because someone else refuses to go along with “your truth” are not legitimate justifications for censorship of anyone’s opinions, no matter how objectionable they are to you.
@Alex: not quite, they targeted ethnic and religious groups and then made up their own reasons for doing so., but then again it’s happening here with the aid of X.
@J Ven: so you endorse Ali Selims right to free speech and spreading hatred along with others who attempt to radicalise people who may not have cared otherwise. X is a very dangerous tool and has far exceeded its original intentions. I’m not for censorship per say to Musk must be taught to rein in some of the more extreme stuff
@William Slevin: Billy boy the only reason the south African racist is supporting the orange thing for president is because the tax break finishes next year ,you claim to be a republican but you hate women , mna na what
@William Slevin: Unlike some on here, I have never asked for any comment to be deleted.
I defeat your lies and nonsense as I find them.
Anyway, what is your real name?
Who is the one currently posting on the “William Slevin” account?
You see that is the problem of having multiple people “manning” accounts – you don’t always know what the others say. Particularly when you go off-script.
It’s also a bolig problem for the compulsive liar, for they forget their own lies.
You need to keep better notes, and try to do a more comprehensive handover.
@ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: It’s not the law, it’s the interpretation to control the information, not the same. No law in Brazil is saying that twitter needs to shut down, judges bent the law for it, typical from leftist. I can see your few braincells didn’t get that information.
@ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: The court order has no legal basis aside the judge feelings. If you bothered reading it, you will see they invoke laws but those laws shouldn’t work for twitter case. You are so thick you can’t understand that it seems.
@ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: Braindead like you can’t under anything in today’s world. Can’t even look further than the tip of your nose, so pathetic and sad at the same time.
@ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: Jheez, its says as much in all the articles about it, I don’t see why people are so hysterical. this shouldn’t even be news ffs
Simon Harris returning his party to their roots, blaming the poor emigrants for the housing shortage. Traditional Blueshirt rhetoric. FFG policy, not immigrants, is the reason for the housing shortage, Simon.
@William Slevin: I see my other post post was deleted. Ho hum. Some people on here love censoring opinion they don’t align with. I agree with you, William. My point is that I would never blame a working class immigrant for wanting a better life and choosing Ireland the way Simon Harris is. The fault lies squarely with FFG and now they want to shift the blame. It’s obviously an electioneering tactic. Shameful imo
@William Slevin: it’s not like people were not warning the government of the integration/accommodation issues facing the country for years now. It’s all by design and now FFG are turning on the migrants to suit their electioneering agenda. I’ve always said a cap on immigration should be agreed and a proper system for integration be put in place but they’re not going to actually do that. Simon Harris is just stirring the hate pot to win a few votes
@ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: I agree with you. My point is that FFG appear to be shifting the focus off themselves and on to immigrants. This 1930′s retro vibe is oh so predictable from the Blueshirts and should have been expected when Simon Harris declared that he was bringing the party “back to it’s roots”
Who cares about X ,it has 22 million users in Brazil less about 10%of the population.
Musk fan boys on here wetting themselves to tell us how important it is ,no one gives a feck
its entertaining to read the first comment and then follow the palpable hysteria that follows :)… especially as the article is talking about the most boring courtroom drama ever.
@William Slevin: What he says and what he does. He has made many vile posts on Twitter – you have to be well aware of them yourselves – and his companies have had to pay out a lot over racism, which you all should also be aware of.
@William Slevin: Are you really trying to deny that Apartheid Boy’s companies have not been ordered by the courts to pay hundreds of millions in compensation for racism?
Are you really trying to pretend that*you* are unaware of this guy’s tweets?
If you really admit to knowing so little, how can you make any of the claims you do?
Although that would explain a great deal, for ignorance would explain all your positions.
@William Slevin: Why does the date of the fact check disturb you even more?
Fauci was accused by the usual wingnuts of having said in early 2020 that masks were useless, or something to that effect.
A fact check – one of many, from various times and organizations – I posted a link to shows this to be false.
And here’s a little exercise for you. One even you can do, and which might make you seem a little less of a fool in the future, one which just might prevent you from spreading obvious lies
Try looking up something like “Musk racism”.
Rory McIlroy takes two-shot lead into final round of Masters
1 hr ago
1.3k
10
The cost of doing business
Central Bank went €3.6m over budget on new data system despite giving reassurances about cost
Stephen McDermott
1 hr ago
1.1k
Money Laundering
Travel agent and husband caught carrying €340,000 for criminal group at Dublin Airport, court told
9 hrs ago
64.0k
Your Cookies. Your Choice.
Cookies help provide our news service while also enabling the advertising needed to fund this work.
We categorise cookies as Necessary, Performance (used to analyse the site performance) and Targeting (used to target advertising which helps us keep this service free).
We and our 168 partners store and access personal data, like browsing data or unique identifiers, on your device. Selecting Accept All enables tracking technologies to support the purposes shown under we and our partners process data to provide. If trackers are disabled, some content and ads you see may not be as relevant to you. You can resurface this menu to change your choices or withdraw consent at any time by clicking the Cookie Preferences link on the bottom of the webpage .Your choices will have effect within our Website. For more details, refer to our Privacy Policy.
We and our vendors process data for the following purposes:
Use precise geolocation data. Actively scan device characteristics for identification. Store and/or access information on a device. Personalised advertising and content, advertising and content measurement, audience research and services development.
Cookies Preference Centre
We process your data to deliver content or advertisements and measure the delivery of such content or advertisements to extract insights about our website. We share this information with our partners on the basis of consent. You may exercise your right to consent, based on a specific purpose below or at a partner level in the link under each purpose. Some vendors may process your data based on their legitimate interests, which does not require your consent. You cannot object to tracking technologies placed to ensure security, prevent fraud, fix errors, or deliver and present advertising and content, and precise geolocation data and active scanning of device characteristics for identification may be used to support this purpose. This exception does not apply to targeted advertising. These choices will be signaled to our vendors participating in the Transparency and Consent Framework.
Manage Consent Preferences
Necessary Cookies
Always Active
These cookies are necessary for the website to function and cannot be switched off in our systems. They are usually only set in response to actions made by you which amount to a request for services, such as setting your privacy preferences, logging in or filling in forms. You can set your browser to block or alert you about these cookies, but some parts of the site will not then work.
Targeting Cookies
These cookies may be set through our site by our advertising partners. They may be used by those companies to build a profile of your interests and show you relevant adverts on other sites. They do not store directly personal information, but are based on uniquely identifying your browser and internet device. If you do not allow these cookies, you will experience less targeted advertising.
Functional Cookies
These cookies enable the website to provide enhanced functionality and personalisation. They may be set by us or by third party providers whose services we have added to our pages. If you do not allow these cookies then these services may not function properly.
Performance Cookies
These cookies allow us to count visits and traffic sources so we can measure and improve the performance of our site. They help us to know which pages are the most and least popular and see how visitors move around the site. All information these cookies collect is aggregated and therefore anonymous. If you do not allow these cookies we will not be able to monitor our performance.
Store and/or access information on a device 113 partners can use this purpose
Cookies, device or similar online identifiers (e.g. login-based identifiers, randomly assigned identifiers, network based identifiers) together with other information (e.g. browser type and information, language, screen size, supported technologies etc.) can be stored or read on your device to recognise it each time it connects to an app or to a website, for one or several of the purposes presented here.
Personalised advertising and content, advertising and content measurement, audience research and services development 149 partners can use this purpose
Use limited data to select advertising 117 partners can use this purpose
Advertising presented to you on this service can be based on limited data, such as the website or app you are using, your non-precise location, your device type or which content you are (or have been) interacting with (for example, to limit the number of times an ad is presented to you).
Create profiles for personalised advertising 84 partners can use this purpose
Information about your activity on this service (such as forms you submit, content you look at) can be stored and combined with other information about you (for example, information from your previous activity on this service and other websites or apps) or similar users. This is then used to build or improve a profile about you (that might include possible interests and personal aspects). Your profile can be used (also later) to present advertising that appears more relevant based on your possible interests by this and other entities.
Use profiles to select personalised advertising 84 partners can use this purpose
Advertising presented to you on this service can be based on your advertising profiles, which can reflect your activity on this service or other websites or apps (like the forms you submit, content you look at), possible interests and personal aspects.
Create profiles to personalise content 39 partners can use this purpose
Information about your activity on this service (for instance, forms you submit, non-advertising content you look at) can be stored and combined with other information about you (such as your previous activity on this service or other websites or apps) or similar users. This is then used to build or improve a profile about you (which might for example include possible interests and personal aspects). Your profile can be used (also later) to present content that appears more relevant based on your possible interests, such as by adapting the order in which content is shown to you, so that it is even easier for you to find content that matches your interests.
Use profiles to select personalised content 35 partners can use this purpose
Content presented to you on this service can be based on your content personalisation profiles, which can reflect your activity on this or other services (for instance, the forms you submit, content you look at), possible interests and personal aspects. This can for example be used to adapt the order in which content is shown to you, so that it is even easier for you to find (non-advertising) content that matches your interests.
Measure advertising performance 138 partners can use this purpose
Information regarding which advertising is presented to you and how you interact with it can be used to determine how well an advert has worked for you or other users and whether the goals of the advertising were reached. For instance, whether you saw an ad, whether you clicked on it, whether it led you to buy a product or visit a website, etc. This is very helpful to understand the relevance of advertising campaigns.
Measure content performance 63 partners can use this purpose
Information regarding which content is presented to you and how you interact with it can be used to determine whether the (non-advertising) content e.g. reached its intended audience and matched your interests. For instance, whether you read an article, watch a video, listen to a podcast or look at a product description, how long you spent on this service and the web pages you visit etc. This is very helpful to understand the relevance of (non-advertising) content that is shown to you.
Understand audiences through statistics or combinations of data from different sources 78 partners can use this purpose
Reports can be generated based on the combination of data sets (like user profiles, statistics, market research, analytics data) regarding your interactions and those of other users with advertising or (non-advertising) content to identify common characteristics (for instance, to determine which target audiences are more receptive to an ad campaign or to certain contents).
Develop and improve services 86 partners can use this purpose
Information about your activity on this service, such as your interaction with ads or content, can be very helpful to improve products and services and to build new products and services based on user interactions, the type of audience, etc. This specific purpose does not include the development or improvement of user profiles and identifiers.
Use limited data to select content 37 partners can use this purpose
Content presented to you on this service can be based on limited data, such as the website or app you are using, your non-precise location, your device type, or which content you are (or have been) interacting with (for example, to limit the number of times a video or an article is presented to you).
Use precise geolocation data 49 partners can use this special feature
With your acceptance, your precise location (within a radius of less than 500 metres) may be used in support of the purposes explained in this notice.
Actively scan device characteristics for identification 27 partners can use this special feature
With your acceptance, certain characteristics specific to your device might be requested and used to distinguish it from other devices (such as the installed fonts or plugins, the resolution of your screen) in support of the purposes explained in this notice.
Ensure security, prevent and detect fraud, and fix errors 95 partners can use this special purpose
Always Active
Your data can be used to monitor for and prevent unusual and possibly fraudulent activity (for example, regarding advertising, ad clicks by bots), and ensure systems and processes work properly and securely. It can also be used to correct any problems you, the publisher or the advertiser may encounter in the delivery of content and ads and in your interaction with them.
Deliver and present advertising and content 102 partners can use this special purpose
Always Active
Certain information (like an IP address or device capabilities) is used to ensure the technical compatibility of the content or advertising, and to facilitate the transmission of the content or ad to your device.
Match and combine data from other data sources 73 partners can use this feature
Always Active
Information about your activity on this service may be matched and combined with other information relating to you and originating from various sources (for instance your activity on a separate online service, your use of a loyalty card in-store, or your answers to a survey), in support of the purposes explained in this notice.
Link different devices 54 partners can use this feature
Always Active
In support of the purposes explained in this notice, your device might be considered as likely linked to other devices that belong to you or your household (for instance because you are logged in to the same service on both your phone and your computer, or because you may use the same Internet connection on both devices).
Identify devices based on information transmitted automatically 92 partners can use this feature
Always Active
Your device might be distinguished from other devices based on information it automatically sends when accessing the Internet (for instance, the IP address of your Internet connection or the type of browser you are using) in support of the purposes exposed in this notice.
Save and communicate privacy choices 72 partners can use this special purpose
Always Active
The choices you make regarding the purposes and entities listed in this notice are saved and made available to those entities in the form of digital signals (such as a string of characters). This is necessary in order to enable both this service and those entities to respect such choices.
have your say