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Anti-abortion activists outside the Citizens Assembly in Malahide last month. am Boal/Rollingnews.ie

'More than five' anonymous women will have a vital say on the future of abortion in Ireland

The women will tell their own stories about their experience of the Eighth Amendment.

“MORE THAN FIVE” anonymous women will be selected to give their personal stories to the Citizens’ Assembly on the Eighth Amendment.

The women will not be speaking at this weekend’s meeting of this assembly but will be telling their stories beginning at the next meeting in March.

A spokesperson for the assembly’s secretariat said that they are currently working out exactly how the women will present their stories but that:

our overriding concern is to do that in the most sensitive way possible.

“The citizens have consistently said that they want to hear directly from women who have been affected by the Eighth Amendment,” the spokesperson added.

The women who will tell their personal stories will be selected out of those who have told personal stories through the assembly’s submissions process.

More than 13,500 submissions have been made to the assembly. By comparison, 800 submissions were made to the Constitutional Convention on the issue of same-sex marriage.

The assembly’s spokesperson said the women selected to tell their stories will not come from those who have made their submission through an advocacy group.

They will, however, be chosen in a way that promotes a balanced view of the issue.

“What we’re trying to achieve is a balance as to how the Eighth Amendment has affected women in the telling of these stories,” the spokesperson said.

Their exact number has not been finalised but it will be “more than five” and they will tell their stories in a way that allows them preserve their anonymity.

“We’re working out the ins and outs of it but most importantly we don’t want to do anything that would further traumatise somebody,” the spokesperson said.

Interest groups

Up until and including this weekend’s meeting of the Citizens’ Assembly, the 99 person forum has been hearing factual assessments of the legal and medical situation relating to abortion in Ireland.

The next meeting on the first weekend in March will hear the personal stories as well as the input of advocacy groups.

The groups have not yet been finalised and will be chosen by the assembly’s chairperson Justice Mary Laffoy in consultation with the members.

The spokesperson said they expect the advocacy groups will be invited to the assembly towards the end of this week and that “most are on standby.”

This latest meeting of the assembly begins this morning and is the third on the issue of the Eighth Amendment.

Two more meetings on the issue will be held before the assembly makes its recommendation to government at the beginning of April.

The agenda for this weekend’s meeting is available on the Citizens’ Assembly website, as is a profile of the speakers.

Among the issues that will be discussed today are the availability of legal terminations in other countries and the legal and care issues surrounding rape in Ireland.

Read: ‘When the blood flows from abortion, Satan has his day’ – Citizens’ Assembly letters go online >

Read: Citizens’ Assembly receives over 13,000 submissions about abortion >

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    Jun 1st 2017, 8:42 PM

    Philippines will sort them out in no time

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    Jun 1st 2017, 9:27 PM

    How can other religions move to countries and not cause havoc and mayhem? Can you imagine scientologists blowing up and shooting innocent people? They’d be shut down in a heartbeat so why is the religion of peace tolerated? I’ll tell you why. You’d get labeled a racist by people who hate labels. Can you imagine Jews fighting for Nazi rights just as liberals fight for Islam. This is what happens when you get brainwashed people who swallow mainstream media with an agenda. Wonder why there are no bombings in places like Japan? A tiny Muslim population that’s why. World leaders in common sense and the blindingly obvious.

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    Jun 1st 2017, 9:44 PM

    @SteveW: perhaps tolerated because it is not responsible, it is the social outcast(s) who islamized their radical view, Japan is not immune but western media coverage is more intense here and gives account in English language, you won’t see CNN Japan being tuned into when something happens in Tokyo or anywhere else for that matter

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    Jun 1st 2017, 10:23 PM

    Red not being funny here but what on earth has media coverage or speaking English got to do with anything? What about other countries that have to put up with these large minority”outcasts” you’re defending? Burma, Kashmir, China, Thailand, Kenya, Ceychnya, Phillipines to name a few. And that’s not including Europe and US.

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    Jun 1st 2017, 10:48 PM

    @Red Marauder: it seems like every country islam has settled in there is serious terrorism problem now south Philippines is exploding now into serious violence. south sudan south Thailand nearly all of Africa all across middle east there is major wars going … after watching primtime on RTE tonight on Islamic extremists i am becoming very fearful for my family future and myself and like all other irish people throughout the island of Ireland…..

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    Jun 1st 2017, 11:24 PM

    @Bobby wilson: And that was on RTE , who had an article about everyones favorite troll Katie Hopkins being sacked for saying there is a problem with islam . https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2017/0526/878159-katie-hopkins/

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    Jun 1st 2017, 11:40 PM

    @SteveW: it is simple to install fear you need widespread coverage, so they choose targets which will be in the news, it is repeated everytime, a mall, a concert, twin towers etc, the density of media coverage is highest in Western countries where English is universal

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    Jun 1st 2017, 11:43 PM

    @Remy: everyone can quote the Koran, there is no central regulation, you not need to be a scholar for that, now how you sell it or interpret it is different, there are far more peaceful Muslims than what you hear about in the news

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    Jun 2nd 2017, 12:17 AM

    @Red Marauder: ”there are far more peaceful Muslims than what you hear about in the news” . Phew ! Thank god you said that , I was thinking it was the 75% were radical , Thank heavens it’s only the other 25% .

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    Jun 2nd 2017, 12:28 AM

    doing some basic math, we get that about 006625% not even close to your estimates

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    Jun 2nd 2017, 1:04 AM

    @SteveW: 110%

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    Jun 2nd 2017, 6:03 AM

    @Remy: people like you and your ilk are just part of the problem

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    Jun 1st 2017, 8:53 PM

    ”Tis gonna be a red Ramadan

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    Jun 1st 2017, 8:45 PM

    This atrocity and outrage will be handled in the Phillipines but it will scare the wits out of us Irish and get us highly exercised.

    Many Irish live in fear and terror although we are far from a prime target.

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    Jun 1st 2017, 9:25 PM

    @Tony Daly: I actually can’t think of anyone I know who lives in fear of an ISIS attack. I do know plenty who agree we should do our bit to help those trying to escape the terror of these animals while also protecting ourselves by having proper checks on those entering our country.

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    Jun 1st 2017, 9:40 PM

    @Tony Daly: As far I’m aware no one lives in fear of isis in Ireland , but it’s only right that we examine it’s core ideology . Prime time has a segment on isis in Ireland , which obviously doesn’t exist . Whaaaatt !

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    Jun 1st 2017, 10:41 PM

    @Jane: I am taking lots of the alarmist comments at face value. It could be just posturing of course but after each atrocity the alarmism expressed is voluble and even hysterical.

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    Jun 1st 2017, 10:44 PM

    @Ken Hayden: of course it may just be intentional alarmism and deliberate exaggeration of threat on the part of those who comment on Ireland as a target of ISIS.

    I rember the hysterical and emotive comments after previous outrages in Europe predicting Ireland as the next target.

    It may just be playing up by those who wish to stir up fear and hate or else the Irish are an especially timid nation.

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    Jun 1st 2017, 11:12 PM

    @Tony Daly: And of course , it just might not be deliberate exaggeration .
    It cannot be said enough , not all muslims are terrorists , but in among them , there are people who can be , and are radicalized . Denying there is no threat is not a solution .

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    Jun 1st 2017, 11:18 PM

    @Tony Daly: it’s not fear. Tony or alarmist comments. It’s frustration that the empty vessels that make the most noise ie a small minority of do Gooders that get listened to because they shout racist and the pure frustration at the apologists that are so mind numbingly stupid that they get listened to by policy makers

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    Jun 2nd 2017, 12:13 AM

    @Tony Daly: why is their a constant down playing on all this Islamic terrorism across the globe by far left supporters by making out its western countries fault for making Islamic people angry.. Their is attacks on churches in Egypt /Nigeria /Pakistan /Iraq /Syria and many many more soon their will be no more Christians in the middle east except Israel…..

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    Jun 2nd 2017, 12:30 AM

    @Bobby wilson: 6 Things that cause islamic terrorism .
    Intolerance .
    Unemployment .
    Poor quality council housing .
    Not enough diversity on the BBC .
    Islamophobic tweets .
    Katie Hopkins .
    Things that don’t cause islamic terrorism .
    The ancient holy book which promises a blissful eternity in the afterlife for anyone who wages deadly jihad against the infidel .

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    Jun 1st 2017, 9:48 PM

    I’m here in Manila. The chief of cops is on tv saying it was some lad trying to rob chips from the casino. Very much doubt it was ISIS related.

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    Jun 1st 2017, 9:56 PM

    @Richie Kennedy: isis claimed responsibility?

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    Jun 1st 2017, 10:05 PM

    @Jackson Bollovks: When the chips are down .

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    Jun 1st 2017, 10:22 PM

    @Richie Kennedy: any more info Richie? My mum is on Negros at the moment but flying to Manila on Saturday to head home Sunday. Slightly concerned

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    Jun 1st 2017, 10:56 PM

    @Maria ✏️: I’m living in Makati Maria, a city in Metro Manila. No updates but nothing to be concerned about. Might be some heightened security at the airport which is a good thing.

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    Jun 2nd 2017, 3:32 PM

    @Maria ✏️: Flights are delayed alright so she could miss a connection. The security in the airport is always tight so I wouldn’t worry too much. It seems to have been a lone gunman trying to steal gambling chips.

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    Jun 2nd 2017, 3:33 PM

    @Jackson Bollovks: I’d say they would claim responsibility for anything to sow fear. Doesn’t appear to be a terrorism incident based on the information available.

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    Jun 1st 2017, 11:26 PM

    Casino Royal-Q’aeda

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