@ireland.com email users slam 'disgraceful' decision to end service

@Johnny Bellew: Alfred did say “some” so hardly a broad, sweeping statement and his point is correct, if one looks up the profiles of the anti-abortion trolls who target Brid Smith’s and other pro-choice twitter accounts and many of them are fans of that great human rights advocate, Donald Trump who wants to deport all illegal immigrants. They share racist nonsense about how “our way of life” is being threatened by immigration and care little for refugees drowning in the Mediterranean so their concern for life is just limited to foetuses and white ones at that.

@Conor Kennelly: He said the “same” people. A subtle difference.

@Conor Kennelly: do you not support deporting illegal aliens ?
What should countries do with illegal aliens ?

@Roddy Reagan: I think it’s very relevant. While Justin Barrett may not be their leader anymore, these people still have a strange obsession with forcing Irish women to give birth. 100,000 ‘lives’ saved by the 8th amendment, so what? Why is that so important?

SS chief Heinrich Himmler wrote to Field-Marshal Willhilm Keitel the following in 1939:

“According to statistics there are 600,000 abortions a year in Germany. The fact that these happen among the best German racial types has been worrying me for years. The way I see it we cannot afford to lose these young people, hundreds and thousands of them. The aim of protecting this German blood is of the highest priority. If we manage to stop these abortions we will be able to have 200 more German regiments every year on the march. Another 500,000 or 600,000 people could produce millions of marks for the economy. The strength of these soldiers and workers will build the greater Germany. This is why I founded Lebensborn in 1936. It fights abortions in a positive way. Every woman can have her child in peace and quiet and devote her life to the betterment of the race.” (Master Race: The Lebensborn Experiment in Nazi Germany, 1995, pp.66-7)

@Larissa Caroline Nikolaus: The article above does NOT mention Youth Defence anywhere which is the point @Roddy Reagan was making. Please stick to the points in the article without going off on a tangent about something else.

@Roddy Reagan: they all share the same roof

@WynnnerZ: Generalised, ill-founded comment.

@Johnny Bellew: It’s relevant and you know it!

Why oh why are these people so obsessed with forcing Irish women to give birth? Where does it come from?

While they may try to distance themselves from Justin Barrett these days, I believe he gave us all a big clue to the ideology behind their strong anti-abortion views.

@LindsayD: The idea of subhuman and extermination came through British academic circles as ‘anthropomorphous’ so the German Aktion 4 was in response to disabilities such as autism and DS using the term untermensch -

” The more severely burdened should not propagate themselves… If we do nothing but make mental and physical cripples capable of propagating themselves, and the healthy stocks have to limit the number of their children because so much has to be done for the maintenance of others, if natural selection is generally suppressed, then unless we will get new measures our race must rapidly deteriorate.” Aktion T4

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4

They then extended this notion of untermensch (subhuman) as opposed to ubermensch (Aryan society) to Jews and other ethnic groups as an extermination policy using the same techniques of gassing.

We now face on this island our own unique version of the language surrounding human and subhuman ,turn it what way you will.

@Gerald Kelleher: Spot on as usual Gerald ;)

@Gerald Kelleher: stop talking shite…

@Roddy Reagan: https://web.archive.org/web/20061024115318/http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/index.php?link=template&story=172

Try this one.

@Johnny Bellew: Youth Defense, Lie Institute, Love Both, Save the 8th etc are all the same small group of people pretending to be different organisations.

@Roddy Reagan: eh yeah it does roddy quiet clearly but don’t leave facts stand in your way

@Roddy Reagan: yes they r mentioned wtf???

@Gerald Kelleher: “It is illegal to kill any human between child and adult without justification”

And who allows more children to die in horrific pain, than this God you keep going on about? 5,000,000 starve to death every year while your beloved all powerful God stands idly by.

When you’re praying later, stick on an aul’ “love them both” at the end.

@Kevin Tyrrell: Abortion on demand is such a trite loaded phrase though isn’t it? Do women really avail of abortion services so frivolously, I would imagine not.

@The Risen: This was covered yesterday why does/doesn’t God … allow children to starve…. make me rich….cure me of cancer….give me a heart attack.. cause rain on an outdoor event… and on and on.

People who are positive add to life of their families, communities and the world but what is positive taking the life away of another with its own DNA ?. If you want to be positive then work towards innovations where pregnancies don’t happen without having to kill a developing child.

You haven’t understood that man is in the image of God by their creative and productive capabilities in imitation of the miracle of creation including the development of a human being. Somehow you have detached God from creation as an arbitrary dictator when you are very much on your own with your own talents and faults. I have come across Dawkins clones once too often to care but they think the same mob way.

@Gerald Kelleher: Go and proselytize elsewhere

@Gerald Kelleher: talking shite as usual….

@Gerald Kelleher: Absolute bell end.

@The Risen: As human value is to you.

@Tomas Kuodis: can all just be a little bit nicer when we explain to @Gerard Kelleher how he’s wrong, I don’t think he’s well.

@Karen Wellington: I love an Oirish mob , especially one that now thinks it has escaped its history where we were Britain’s problem . They even got the idea of subhuman from famine times and created the idea of natural selection out of it -

“One day something brought to my recollection Malthus’s “Principles of
Population,” which I had read about twelve years before. I thought of
his clear exposition of “the positive checks to increase”–disease,
accidents, war, and famine–which keep down the population of savage
races to so much lower an average than that of civilized peoples. It
then occurred to me that these causes or their equivalents are
continually acting in the case of animals also….. because in every
generation the inferior would inevitably be killed off and the
superior would remain–that is, the fittest would survive…. The more I
thought over it the more I became convinced that I had at length found
the long-sought-for law of nature that solved the problem of the
origin of species.” Wallace/ Darwin

Until a section of society looks at where the notion of subhuman comes from, this issue will always haunt our nation.

@Ian Walsh: Ignore gerald. He loves to quote from the bible in relation to abortion, but never mentions the bit where God mandates abortions for unfaithful women.

Oh, in case you think I’m being inflammatory…..

http://biblehub.com/niv/numbers/5.htm

20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— (21) here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a cursed among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. (22) May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

@The Risen: In your own conviction you were once subhuman so no wonder you have no respect for other human life. It is different who those who know through experience that parents and child are the most positive parts of society and a developing child is a joyous component.

@The Risen: and I’ll light a candle especially for you.

@Gerald Kelleher: I have two children, they are the best part of my day, every day. Difference is, I don’t take issue with a woman choosing to have an abortion while I also worship a God that mandates it.

@Gerald Kelleher: God bless you brother

@League of shadows: you really shouldn’t be playing with matches or lighters.

@The Risen: I think you are on your own mission but intelligent people generally make the distinction between different traditions and especially between the Old testament books and the words of Christ. The old books tell you to stone women in adultery while Jesus uses the occasion to point out hypocrites use scripture for their own ends and does not fault the woman.

It is no different now for the old saying goes -

“The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart.
O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!”

― William Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice

I can always tell people who are rotten at their heart for their ends are towards the ending of a life.

@Gerald Kelleher: ” I think you are on your own mission but intelligent people generally make the distinction between different traditions and especially between the Old testament books and the words of Christ. ”

Actually the ‘words of Christ’ specifically direct people to follow the laws of the old testament.

http://biblehub.com/luke/16-17.htm

“Until John the Baptist, the law of Moses and the messages of the prophets were your guides. But now the Good News of the Kingdom of God is preached, and everyone is eager to get in. But that doesn’t mean that the law has lost its force. It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the smallest point of God’s law to be overturned.”

Lets have a round of applause for gerald, the Christian fundamentalist who doesn’t understand the fundamentals of Christianity.

Get back to us when you’ve read the bible properly……including the parts that paint you as a walking contradiction.

@The Risen: Why are you telling me this, some people tell their kids that they have a brother or sister on their way so what do you tell yours . You have a cartoon notion of God but find nothing inspiring about the miracle of a developing life over 9 months – nothing else like it in nature.

It is said that the Rabbi going into the gas chamber believed that God would save him until the last moment when he declared there was no God however it is the evil reasoning of men that created the gas chambers and the courageous efforts of men that closed them down. While some people deny the gas chambers existed, there are many more who will not look at the natural selection (subhuman terminology) that allowed national socialists to exterminate millions for reasons they thought were right.

@The Risen: For you the Bible is some sort of manifesto but it is a library of books from different traditions so you bring up something from the old testament and it is in conflict with the words of Christ . Where Luke says ‘love your neighbour as yourself’ , the Johanine work says ‘whoever loves his life loses it’ but these things are not contradictions within their individual bodies of works. Again, you can force the bible to say and do anything as many evil people have but generally those with heart recognize the poetry and the traditions covering so much of early Christianity.

I like the saying of Jesus ‘whoever loves his life loses it’ as it prevents mediocrity from setting in and stale convictions but also those who strive to be productive and creative are never settled in themselves or their world. Some people at their level understand ‘love your neighbour as yourself’ as they live their lives in a decent way for themselves and their families. Only rednecks would find fault where there is none but then again you have problems with spirit/inspiration that some call religion and others call spirituality.

Go hug your kids and learn what the central theme of life is.

@Gerald Kelleher: “so you bring up something from the old testament and it is in conflict with the words of Christ ”

Nope, the words of Christ is to affirm that Gods laws from the old testament had not changed.

Again….

http://biblehub.com/luke/16-17.htm

“Until John the Baptist, the law of Moses and the messages of the prophets were your guides. But now the Good News of the Kingdom of God is preached, and everyone is eager to get in. But that doesn’t mean that the law has lost its force. It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the smallest point of God’s law to be overturned.”

Square that circle gerry…..

@The Risen: In Luke the kingdom of heaven is within a person – “neither will they say, ‘Look, here.’ or, ‘Look, there.’ for the Kingdom of God is within you.” Luke 17:21

You are kids looking for loopholes with an external heaven and an external God but I keep in mind that some decent people appreciate spiritual experiences of a greater life this way without having them mocked. All I see from you is complaints and protests but you stand for nothing positive and what a hell that must be, again if heaven is inside a person so is the mediocrity of hell.

The greatest upholder of the Hebrew law was Paul until he was struck by a realization that many here could use -

“I do not set aside the grace of God, for if human justification could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!” Paul

You grow into these flesh and blood texts and the real people behind them.

@Gerald Kelleher: “You are kids looking for loopholes ”

LOL!

You claimed that “intelligent people generally make the distinction between different traditions and especially between the Old testament books and the words of Christ. ”

I pointed out that the words of Christ decree that the laws of the old testament had not changed, and backed it up with the relevant passages.

Hate that.

Read your ‘good book’ properly next time gerry.

@The Risen: The law is there to stop bad people from doing worse so Christ showed the Eternal and Infinite part of our nature which was buried under so many Pharasaic laws about what to wear, what to eat, how to conform and behave. It didn’t matter if you were poor or rich, whether in a gang or alone, young or old, everyone has the ability to be inspired and inspiring within the encompassing Life of creation.

Can any of you say that as you go about your ways of killing a developing child by looking for loopholes in language ?. It is why the spiritual don’t look for laws to kill while the dead in themselves do hence the similarities with the time of Jesus and the danger of a secular society.

@The Risen: The Kingdom of God is inside you but you want to bury them in secular laws hence you don’t stand for anything positive. Laws don’t address those who are capable of creative, productive and kindness, they are meant to serve those who act out of malice with appropriate discipline. I don’t steal or kill so the law goes its own way while being inspired and inspiring needs no law and this is the spirituality of Christ.

Obviously you want the law on killing to be changed based on the idea of subhuman but unlike the poetic language of Adam/Eve on self-serving choices, you actually want to create a fictional subhuman to carry out extermination for social excuses.

@The Risen: Yep the hypocrisy is mind blowing.

@Chucky Arlaw: the State are the ones appealing the decision of the High Court in a quest to strip unborn Irish babies of their right to life. You should read the article again.

@Roddy Reagan: “Of course the word “unborn” refers to an unborn child. ”

Nope. Childhood begins at birth. The phrase ‘unborn child’ is an oxymoron.

@Chucky Arlaw: your a fool if you really believe that.

@The Risen: It is an individual human life, no question about that. almost everybody agrees that we are dealing with a separate human entity, an individual.

@Johnny Bellew: Not really. The issue of when personhood is assigned could scarcely be more contested.

@Johnny Bellew: EVEN if you could get everyone to agree with you, you’re conveniently ignoring the fact that for a pregnancy to come to term is requires the use of the woman’s body. There is NO full term baby without a woman’s womb.

And it is HER right to refuse to all her body to be used to carry a pregnancy to term..

No one, you, me or an “unborn baby” (if you insist on using that term) has the right to over-ride anyone’s right to bodily autonomy. EVEN if it means their death.

I can’t force YOU to donate blood to me even if it means I’ll die without it. Even if you’re responsible for me dying cos you ran me over and your blood is the only match.

That’s it, that’s the crux of the debate (IMO).

No one has the right to demand the use of anothers body to save their own life against the objection of the person who’s body you’re demanding.

@The Risen: I have great memories of my childhood, frolicking about the womb, hither and tither between the uterus and the ovaries.

@Tricia Golden: The problem is that ‘pro-choice’ side are claiming autonomy over another human life. Being the custodian to another human life should not grant you the right to kill it. To me, killing any human life is always wrong, whether it be within the womb or without.

@Johnny Bellew: Interesting twist on my words there Johnny.

Is that “custodians” against our wishes? Which is again the exact same thing.

And you’re entitled to your opinion. You’re NOT entitled to FORCE ANOTHER PERSON to follow your opinion in the face of their objections.

Again, I reiterate, no one, (born or unborn) has the right to use another person’s body against their will to prolong their life.

@Johnny Bellew: Again you IGNORE that in order for a fetus, (or unborn baby or whatever term you wish to use) to survive based on your logic it must claim autonomy over another human life, the Mother’s.

How exactly is that difficult for you to grasp?

@Tricia Golden: “No one, you, me or an “unborn baby” (if you insist on using that term) has the right to over-ride anyone’s right to bodily autonomy. EVEN if it means their death.”

You do realize you have given the developing child your DNA while the other half comes from the father so the life belongs to you unless you want to treat it like an infection or parasite. People who do not dither around with language really appreciate the development of a child as a process including the passing of the child’s DNA back to its mother -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvV3gH0-FC4

@Gerald Kelleher: Completely and utterly irrelevant. Hyperbole trying to pass as a rational thought.

Has absolutely NOTHING to do with my point, and let’s be honest, you haven’t even covered surrogate’s carrying another woman’s fertilised egg in your attempt to derail and deflect my point re: an individual’s autonomy and their right to refuse to allow their body to maintain the life of another’s.

@Tricia Golden: A baby is helpless so the mother has to continue to use her body to feed the child that was once nurtured inside her womb. Do you want to explain that a baby feeding at the breast is a parasite or some other awful term ?.

@Gerald Kelleher: The only person “playing with language” here is you Gerald. Again, deliberately changing and attempting to manipulate and deflect from the main point. But let’s first clarify your irrelevant point for others. A baby feeding at the breast can be cared for by many other people. That baby is NOT dependent on a person’s body to live. It is in no way comparable to allowing your body to be used to prolong the life of a developing fetus.

And I’ve already replied to your deflections and irrelevant points more than I should have.

You either believe a developing fetus has more rights than the woman carrying the pregnancy or you don’t.

I don’t. You do.

The fetus doesn’t get to invoke it’s right to live over the woman’s right to provide her body for it to live. Any more than I can use your blood to further my life against your wishes. Or my father blood, or anyone else’s if they do not agree.

@Gerald Kelleher: An Irish woman has the right to terminate a pregnancy when she makes the decision to do so.She will get information from one of our government agencies,as to where she can get that healthcare…Of course,she will have to travel to the UK,where she will be able to procure a safe,legal abortion, thanks be to goodness.No amount of your pathetic whining will stop her,once her mind is made up..

If it’s unwanted hair, wart, feotus, mole – if it’s growing in or on a woman’s body and she doesn’t want it there, she has the right to get rid of it.. And she doesn’t need anyone’s permission or approval.

Don’t approve of abortion,Gerald ? Don’t have one.Oh wait.

@Tricia Golden: You can’t bring your language up to mother and developing child which is a miracle of creation in itself but want to reduce it to host/parasite. Rights, gender or otherwise, can’t obscure that a human being is on its way as perhaps the most positive event for any society and the planet with all that child’s potential for creativity and productivity.

I have a right to give you blood to save your life or indeed you have a right to deny that blood however I do not have a right to inject poison into your system to take away your life as that is murder by any other name.

@Gerald Kelleher: Yup, more deflective nonsense.

We either have autonomy over our own bodies or we don’t.
Others can’t use our bodies, even to prolong their lives, against our express wishes.

No more, no less.

Unsurprisingly your entire “argument” is emotive nonsense.

We’re done here.

@Tricia Golden: Like the blood analogy my dear but looks like you are mixing up a child with a parasitic leech. Nothing emotive about subhuman as I look at extermination using subhuman terms with the same dispassion as the original academic did while nobody else does -

“At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked, will no doubt be exterminated. The break will then be rendered wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as at present between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.” Darwin

Not the Church, not the universities, nobody has the mental strength to deal with extermination and subhuman occupying the same ideology even if I do. Like so many things it is the strength of those who value the mother/child relationship that present the problem rather than noiseboxes trying to dither around that it is a developing child under discussion.

So be it.

@Gerald Kelleher: gerald, you worship a God who mandated abortions for unfaithful women in your holy book.

Again, can’t see the contradiction, can you?

@The Risen- You never mentioned the ‘great flood,’ where she (God) would have pregnant women and their born babies all die from drowning…What a bad bitch!

@Francis Mc Carthy: Well Francis, there are always rednecks trying their level best to turn it into an issue based on the failings of the Catholic Church and if that fails trundle in the ‘God’ argument but it is fairly cheesy. Reaching for the Old Testament is pretty desperate but then again when the books of the Bible were chosen in early Christianity they covered a wide range of traditions.

Bring up the actual empirical comments which allowed for subhuman to enter the education system and nobody has anything to say. Irish society is more aggressive nowadays with rough people mangling traditions in the most awful way but that being said there is still a decency around that I find nowhere else. It all depends how that aggression is dealt with and the selfish, self-serving ends to which it tends.

@Gerald Kelleher: The “Old Testament” is as much a part of the bible as the New bit, otherwise why are OT readings and psalms said at masses? When Jesus was preaching, it was his holy book and he declared it “god’s word”. You can’t pick and choose which bits to believe, so the mass murder when the planet was flooded is true, the murder of the first borns of Israel is true, the bit where 2 “she bears” butcher kids because they made fun of a guy is true.

@Roddy Reagan: “sick and twisted” mmm roddy give it up u r having the opposite effect u desire

@The Risen: Another flat-earther.

@DaisyChainsaw: I am quite impressed that you all know so much about the Bible. Perhaps there is hope for us after all

@Roddy Reagan: well said

@DaisyChainsaw: You are so sweet. The flood story is beautifully bound as a cycle from the creation of Adam to the destruction of Noah’s flood and that people too start fresh as they journey through life. It is structured in such a way that there are 86,400 weeks from Adam to Noah using the genealogical structure of Genesis 5 and the exaggerated ages of the Patriarchs. Keeping in mind there are 86,400 seconds in a 24 hour day it should delight people who love these works and the flow of poetic language containing lovely human insights. Try Joe Campbell’s commentary on these great cycles -

https://books.google.ie/books?id=5VOGAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA10&lpg#v=onepage&q&f=false

They open up to the generous heart but will be meaningless to the closed one.

@liam lally: Feel free not to vote if that is your wish.

@liam lally: Should infertile women not be allowed vote as they can’t get pregnant? Should only women who have proof of their fertility be allowed in the polling booths as it only effects fertile women? If you want to exclude people who can’t get pregnant not many people will be able to vote. I bet your smug virtue signalling comment doesn’t feel so smart now does it.

@liam lally: and do fathers have a say in the potential fate of their unborn children?

@Alan: pregnancy is measured in weeks not months. When you say 7 months that ranges from 25-28 weeks, the limit of viability (50% chance of survival outside the womb) is considered to be around 24 weeks although the incidence of major disabilities are still quite high at this stage. If a premature (spontaneous) birth occurred at 23 weeks most neo-natologists wouldn’t provide intensive care.

@The Risen: maybe not in the legal ramblings of our discombobulated constitution, but a form of life worth preserving none the less.

@Gerald Kelleher: Still didn’t answer me gerald. Why do you have such a problem with women choosing to end their pregnancy, when you see fit to worship an all knowing, all powerful God that chooses not to intervene to prevent millions of miscarriages every single year?

Talk about a double standard.

@The Risen: It takes some special type of ignorance to attach blame to the miscarriage event . So who do you blame ?. No answer is required for although not entirely understood, there is something wrong with the physical development of growing child and natural responses kick in.

@Gerald Kelleher:… and you assume you have this so called mental strength Gerald? They have been shot down because apart from the timing of their latest little antic to get in and add further complications and obstacles to the framing the legal wording and structure of legislation they are no authority or in a position to aid in such clear well structured terminology.

Plus historical context and what ever you mean by bringing ‘empirical’ anything into legal framework is as expected misguided. Allow legal and medical professionals to handle terminologies to ensure there can be no unwanted interpretation where foreign backed money will allow these same few women and cohorts to allow for high court precedents once the legal framework required has been drafted and implemented.

@Gerald Kelleher: It is a gender issue Gerald, it fundamentally is a gender issue. You know it is. That’s why you’re pushing your ‘sub human’ argument and claiming ‘social excuses’. You’re trying to belittle the cause for womens’ rights by doing that, so let’s play YOUR game. You’re not pro life, you’re a woman hating MISOGYNIST. That’s all – you hate women.

@Gary Casserly: Something wrong with your keyboard as it randomly throws out words in capitals.

‘Subhuman’ is a term that is used to promote extermination policies by a group in a position to turn a life into a corpse for some social/political excuse and I have no problem using it in context of unborn, foetus, pre-born or any other word used to diminish or exterminate human life.

Nothing to do with gender issues but celebrating the mother or couple relationship to child as the most positive thing in Irish society. The fact that these articles have a small proportion of views compared to a large proportion of responses demonstrate that people are about to go through an act of self-deception with perhaps the urban vs rural vote being the only divide.

@Gerald Kelleher: So, your all knowing all powerful God allows something to be wrong with the ‘physical development of growing child’? I take it, that it’s within his power to make sure this never happens. Why doesn’t he? And again, why do you worship a God who allows millions of pregnancies to end in this way, but you have such a problem with a mere flawed, imperfect, human being choosing to end a single pregnancy?

Can you not see the double standard?

@The Risen: Who in their right mind looks on a miscarriage as anything other than a natural event where no blame is assigned ?. You are creating a cartoon God in your own mind and not paying attention to the miracle of natural processes that go from an egg/sperm to a child 9 months later with its own character and DNA and you too were once this developing child. Nothing can match the complexity of a human being and it is done so quickly – that is a real miracle and one people should celebrate.

Of course spirituality is the ability to inspired and inspiring so your notion of God and the bible is there as props for your own convictions but then again Christianity allows for your childish way of thinking -

“If anyone shall set the authority of Holy Writ against clear and
manifest reason, he who does this knows not what he has undertaken;
for he opposes to the truth not the meaning of the Bible, which is
beyond his comprehension, but rather his own interpretation, not what
is in the Bible, but what he has found in himself and imagines to be
there.” Augustine

I can only expect the repeat question of miscarriages and blame but clear reason suggest that miscarriages are natural events where the life of the developing child can’t go on. No point in looking for blame when these sad events happen.

@The Risen: There is a difference between a the natural death of an unborn baby in the womb and the deliberate destruction and ending of an unborn baby’s life in abortion. God is the creator of all life and He is the one who calls that life home.

@Sinead Hanley: No offence Sinead but it isn’t an answer he is looking for but the usual deflection from the language of subhuman which is used in various forms for a gender issue rather than that of mother and developing child. Even miscarriages are fair game so at the same time people are grieving the loss of their child through miscarriage, others are terminating a subhuman.

@Sinead Hanley: Did you answer “Gods” calling when you ended your pregnancy ?

@Francis Mc Carthy: Obviously not. I should have turned to God. Instead of the cold hearted souls in the abortion clinic and other services.

@Sinead Hanley: did he call the life of the pregnancy you aborted? Did he contact you directly or the “baby” directly to state it was time to come home? Your hypocrisy is utterly staggering.

@Paul Fahey: No He didnt. Obviously i decided to play god by ending my babys life. Can you explain my hypocrisy. I obviously dont see it and its something i need to look at..

@Sinead Hanley: did they offer you counseling?

@Sinead Hanley:Time to let the past go and move on.Stop trying to blame everybody else for something that you choose to do..
You now have a family that you might never have had because of that choice that you made..”God” is all forgiving…so they say..

@Francis Mc Carthy: Who am i blaming?

@Sinead Hanley: everybody else except yourself..You’ve blamed your pro choice friends & the abortion provider for not providing counselling afterwards…

@Paul Fahey: I have never heard any comment so cruel to someone who deeply regrets what happened. Only a man,but not I add, all men could be so heartless. It is however refreshing to hear someone admit regret because on most posts here abortion is portrayed as something not regretted which just isn’t possible IMO. The worst aspect of this whole debate is the failure to face reality, in particular the reality of human life from the moment of conception.

@Sinead Hanley: I think you are the most honest and courageous poster on this blog.

@Kay Kehoe: Thank you so so much. It means a lot to me. If i was proud of what i’d done i would be told i was brave. But the abortion industry and supporters dont want to hear of regret.

@Sinead Hanley: yes but you may feel better if you let unsuspecting vulnerable people know how you felt after you had it. The biggest tragedy of all is that vulnerable people walk themselves into this thinking and sometimes being told that all will be well after it without realizing just how badly they are going to feel after it. You could do these women a huge service by telling them your experience. Take care of yourself.