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A NEW PROJECT due this autumn will see Irish women anonymously sharing their stories of travelling abroad to have an abortion.
The show, Not At Home, is being put together by Grace Dyas of Theatreclub and Emma Fraser of Nine Crows. They want to recount the women’s experiences during a four-day installation at NCAD on Thomas Street in Dublin, as part of the Dublin Fringe Festival in September.
They have been collecting the stories since April 2016 through the Not At Home website.
Dyas said that they have received “hundreds” of anonymous contributions so far, including these two:
I had a cup of tea at the airport and so I could not have an anesthetic. I had to be fully conscious. But there I was in Leeds I could not go and come back or wait another day. I should have thought about the tea.
I curse the country that I love so much for those 7 weeks of my life. I had a window that would have made everything more bearable, everything less confusing. Instead my body and spirit were shaken and hung out naked for all to see. I needed Ireland to take me into her arms and hold me and wipe my tears and tell me everything would be ok. But she turned her back in shame and wouldn’t even look at me, pretended I wasn’t there. The weight of the black secret that I have carried around ever since was made heavier by her disgust of me and her other prodigal daughters.
During the installation, there will be photographs on the walls inspired by the stories, a black cab outside where people can listen to Liverpudlian taxi drivers talk about the Irish women they bring to clinics in Liverpool, and there will also be magazines that are available in the clinics for women to read.
Dyas and Fraser say that the installation “will be immersive, but calm and reflective, allowing the audience to contend with the space as they see fit”.
"It just shows there is a big demand from people who want to tell their story," said Dyas. "What is different about our project is that while women like Tara Flynn and Roisin Ingle have come out and talked about their experiences, we are enabling women to speak anonymously and I think that energy really comes across in the stories. People feel they are able to really speak their minds."
Dyas said that "there is a huge amount of shame still" around abortion, and that as it is a "private, personal decision" people shouldn't have to be public about it if they don't want to be.
The aim of the project is for women to be able to "contribute to the discussion and have their voices heard without having to put their name beside it" - although some people have put their name to their story.
No filter
Dyas said that the project was inspired by the fact that she and Fraser know women who have travelled to have a termination. "The whole point is to present women’s lived experience with as small a filter as possible," she said. "We are trying to create a space in the NCAD gallery where people can come inside, listen to the stories, interact as long as they want."
She said that it is about "listening to women’s real life experiences and then deciding how you feel about it".
So far, Dyas said the contributions have shown that women have experienced "isolation, loneliness, shame" and "a huge financial burden as well from having to travel".
"It's just to put this across and say to people there’s no such thing as 'not at all', it’s just 'not at home'," she said. "Even if you vehemently oppose abortion you can’t stop people travelling to have an abortion."
Asked whether they feared some fake anonymous contributions might be sent in, Dyas said: "Maybe someone would try and send something in that was false or politically motivated - so far I haven’t read any that I felt were not truthful. You know by the details and you know by the energy. And also to trust people, they are doing this for a reason."
She added that the submissions "haven’t been advocating for any political cause". "It’s more 'so this is what happened to me and I want to talk about it and I don’t feel I can talk about it'," she said.
There have been some who have been saying a lot of the campaigning around this issue... saying it’s a good thing, the truth is it is not a good thing, it’s really traumatic, it’s really painful. It’s that complexity that's important to get across. It’s not about going 'abortions are great', it’s a difficult choice for any woman to make but it’s their choice. The vast majority were OK with their decision but regretful of the context they were in. There is a huge amount of anger at the State, at society for putting people through this, particularly the amount of time, the delay in accessing the procedure.
Dyas said that while she'd love the interest in the project to be from across the spectrum, she thinks that "people who are very far one way or the other" might not be interested in it.
She said that it is being put on for those who are undecided, and that "it’s not a sermon to the converted".
In an effort to connect women who have had similar experiences, on 13 September they will host a private event only for women who have travelled for an abortion.
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Typical Bias journal.ie
Rare pro Life article posted at midnight and contains counter points
Softy fluffy pro abortion article posted a peak reading time and no counter argument.
Abortion kills, nothing can change that, no use of non graphic text and wording can take away for what it is. Some people may see it as justified but deep down they know what a barbaric procedure it is.
@eric nelligan: in your opinion.
@eric nelligan: Just careful now don’t be saying anything that might offend anyone in the pro abortion lobby groups. I was banned from this publication for a week for expressing by firmly held pro-life point of view a few months back.
@eric nelligan: What’s “barbaric” about a woman swallowing a few pills over a few days ? Does it affect your body in anyway ?
@Joseph Bloggs: the biasness of the journal.ie was well proven after the last election, its coverage of the political parties was the most extreme against certain and for others. It’s coverage on the abortion debate in favour of one side can not be disputed neither.
The context of this article alone would back up my second point about the inhumanity of abortion
@eric nelligan: I agree and I’m an atheist.
@eric nelligan: The Irish people have consistently rejected the Catholic fundamentalist position on social issues, it’s not bias, it merely reflects the sentiment of the general public, who thankfully aren’t anti-women.
@eric nelligan: you seem to lack the ability to understand the difference between “your opinion” and a “proven fact”.
@eric nelligan:
Nobody is forcing abortion on anybody. Just because its legalised, doesn’t mean anyone has to avail of it.
It should be available as a choice. The same way continuing the pregnancy is. The woman should be supported in the same way as women who choose to continue are.
We are telling young females that their gender is not as valuable as males by depriving them of the right to make a momentous decision at home in their own country.
By it’s very nature, legalising it supports both pro choice and pro life because it gives options.
@OU812: all evidence shows that legalizing abortion increases it exponentially. The introduction of abortion services for rare cases has been shown that abortion on demand follows within a few years.
If someone feels they have to go abroad they aren’t stopped but it shouldn’t be facilitated.
@Paul Fahey: the irony of that comment isn’t lost on me since paul only recognizes facts that suit his narrative.
Every time I’ve offered sources to back up my points Paul can’t accept them, clearly you don’t have to intellect to process points outside your view point.
@OU812: Your first sentence is a pointless argument with no basis in right or wrong. Try this: “Nobody is forcing Granny-Killing onto anybody. Just because it is legalised doesn’t mean you have to kill your Granny. You may be perfectly happy with your Granny, but it is your choice. Nobody is forcing you to keep your Granny. But if you want to get rid of your Granny that is your choice and your right”. So, OU812, please use sensible arguments to back up your case
@eric nelligan: not, cannot see any citations, but I will wait. Let’s see your proof….
@sean o’dhubhghaill: not the brightest there I am afraid, killing your Granny would be murder, but abortion is not. Further, no one is forcing you to carry your granny for nine months, granny will not have an adverse effect on your physical health and of course, Granny is an autonomous person capable of making her own choices etc etc etc…
Before you mock someone else’s arguments, you may want to have a good look at your own.
@Atheos Euripides: only atheists like myself, raised a feminist, now find ourselves treated with contempt by the intolerant pro choice loud voices and media.
It’s quite a view from this side, abortion involves two human beings, one is being airbrushed out of the “discussion”.
@Francis Mc Carthy: it ends the life of another human being. Does bodily integrity trump a right to life? For me it doesn’t, pregnancy ends, you move on. When you life ends that’s it. There’s no heaven, you get one shot at it. It’s barbaric to think that we treat that life as such an inconvenience.
@OU812: hold on, that’s a crazy argument. That justifies all manner of crimes. Just because I’m not going to avail of raping someone doesn’t mean you get to justify doing so by saying you’re not forcing me to do so.
Abortion isn’t a victimless act. A human life is ended.
@Paul Fahey: it’s certainly been called second degree murder by people who support the choice mantra.
Would you call it euthanasia maybe? There’s no getting away from the clear fact that a human life is ended.
@RG Law: no, I call it an abortion. It is not murder, simple, you can play the “but I call it” game all you like, but it is not murder.
Oh boy… the crazies are out in force today.
End of the month? Meds ran out early… post on the journal with ridiculous arguments about why the Catholic Church should influence you to still define women as second class citizens.
@RG Law: in most civilised countries Rape is a crime, a serious crime, even though it is not featured in the Ten Commandments, whereas abortion is not a crime in most civilised countries. It is also legal in some instances in Ireland, but I do not believe rape is legal in any instances, perhaps you should try again.
@eric nelligan: no one is pro abortion. I’ve never heard of anyone getting pregnant just for the craic of having an abortion. If you don’t want one, that’s fine, don’t have one. But don’t presume to tell others what they can and cannot do based on your own prejudices.
This discussion is not a pro choice vs pro life, it’s about children.
Children deserve to be born wanted, cherished and loved. It’s not fair for children to be resented, neglected or even abused by the people who should love them and protect them at the most important time of their life in terms of emotional development. Try to picture in your head the day to day of an embryo, foetus, baby, toddler and then a child who is not a source of enjoyment, it can get horribly sad..
We don’t live in a society where we have kids becouse they are needed, we have them because we want them. It’s not fair to have happy children been born wanted and cherished while others are not.
For the sake of children, parents HAVE to be parents when they are ready, not when they are forced to be. Ultimately children are the ones who pay the price.
Pro life think they are making unborn children a favour, but they are not. Hope they all apply to be foster parents, unfortunately they are needed..
@Paul Fahey: abortion ends a human life, doesn’t it?
@OU812: dragging the Catholic Church into this is weak. No one really gives a fig what the church thinks and rightly so after the way they’ve treated children and women in particular for decades in Ireland.
This isn’t about religion. It’s a human rights issue. You see no value in the unborn human being whose voice is not heard. Many Irish people do value human life.
@Paul Fahey: Ten Commandments? What’s that got to do with anything? We’re both atheists so why drag religion into it.
Abortion is not a victimless act, you’re purposely ending a human life. You’re cool with that, I find it repulsive that you see no value in the human life.
@Rosa Lopez: actually it’s about human life. Your argument is one that’s being used to justify after birth abortion now. The dehumanising effect is chilling.
@Seán O’Keeffe: yeh if it only effected one person, that’s no-ones business. But abortion doesn’t just effect one person. It ends the life of another human being. You’re stopping a heart beat.
@Paul Fahey: you will not win an argument with pro-lifers…I wouldn’t even bother. When they say women are “murderers” and view women who are autonomous, thinking, emotional, living human beings with lived experiences the same as something the size of a grain of rice. Ive never met anyone who is ‘pro abortion’…unlike ‘pro lifers’ pro choice people do realise there needs to be regulations and safety measures, pro lifers want women to carry regardless of safety of mind or body.
@RG Law: that’s not an argument, I don’t care about winning a discussion, I care about the day to day of children. You know what is dehumanazing? That we all know there are abused children who need a loving family but we don’t do anything becouse it’s mean an effort on our part, but then we write a comment or make a vote (5 minutes job) to force people who are not ready to be parents.
You can compare an embryo to a baby or a child as much as you want, as you can compare a fertilized egg to it. But don’t force me to do it, because I’ve seen enough of what bad parenting can do to last me a lifetime.
@RG Law:
Exactly. A human rights issue.
The right for women to be able to decide for themselves without interference from outside influence, state, church & busybodies.
That’s EXACTLY what this is about.
@RG Law: “after birth abortion”
Not a thing. I think you’ll find that’s called murder and is totally separate.
Stop trying to link the two. They are NOT the same.
@RG Law: sorry, but we are always being told that our laws are influenced by Christianity and if you believe that the vast majority of the “pro-life” brigade are not religiously influenced then you are naive or disingenuous, perhaps both. You may be an atheist, but that places you in a very small minority of “Pro-lifers”, just look at the rosary rattlers at your next march.
@RG Law: What “right to life” does an embryo have when a woman is given info by the government,on where she can go to end that “life” ?
@RG Law: You are stopping a much stronger heartbeat when medical staff turn off a life support machine…
@Paul Fahey: No. You miss my point. Arguments for or against abortion need to be based on more than ‘nobody is going to make you have an abortion’. Imagine an argument like that being used around whale-hunting. “Nobody is going to make you eat whale but it is my right, my choice”, etc., etc. Morality is based on more than wheter a person is or is not likely to carry out a particular action.
@Paul Fahey: Is it not a fact that abortion kills a living entity?
@The Dunes Of Inchy: there’s a difference between turning off a machine when someone is dying and going into a womb an ending the life of a healthy human being who has no say in whether they get to live or die.
@RG Law: But the woman is in charge of her machine (womb) .Poor pet
@TheoWolfe: Abortion ends a pregnancy.What actually ‘kills’ the embryo or foetus is not having fully formed lungs …
@The Dunes Of Inchy:
Wow, right. So when someone is stabbed in the heart, it is not the stabbing or the person doing it that kills them, it is the lack of oxygen to the cells. Thanks for clearing that up.
However, the question was whether a living entity is killed or not in the abortion process. I’m assuming you accept it does. Paul seemed to be challenging that simple ‘fact’.
@TheoWolfe: The simple ‘fact’ is that abortion ends a pregnancy.When the embryo or foetus is expelled from the woman’s womb,her pregnancy is then over.It’s “life” is over due to the fact that it’s organs aren’t fully formed.Poor pet!
@eric nelligan: Eric. That’s a strange name for a woman. Why did you choose to not end your pregnancy, Eric?
As a university level Psychology instructor, I have had students write autobiographies based on the theories I taught. Female students have sometimes been remarkably open about histories of molestation, rape, domestic violence and huge losses in their pasts. Only a handful have ever disclosed abortion. It is a huge issue and sharing it anonymously is a start for the healing process.
@Rathminder: and would you think many were hiding abortion? Or just never had an abortion. Domestic abuse for example I would expect to be more prevalent
@lavbeer: I know three women who have had abortions, none regret it, but lately have been opening up about it because of the conversation going on about it. Thank you Britain for looking after so many of our Irish women and girls.
@Deborah Behan: yea maybe so and lots will have similar personal stuff. But would still expect abortion to be on lower scale of student experiences. Regret is brought up a lot by both sides but is largely irrelevant as the job is done be your view that it is a complex & emotional process or the removal of a clump of cells.
As for thanking Britain – seems like decent business for them. Private clinics may stay popping up here soon.
Interesting what question or questions will be asked next year. Wouldn’t like to be sitting on that Oireachtas committee
@Rathminder: thank you Rathminder for commenting on the article! It is indeed one of the taboo subjects and for many women it must be a difficult thing to carry in silence. Commenters on this and other threads talk about it as a black and white issue but it’s anything but. None of us know the whys and wherefores that make women feel it is their best or even only option, less judgement and greater understanding is needed. I think allowing the silence to be broken is a wonderful idea.
@Deborah Behan: which girls ? The ones who came back or the ones who were terminated?
What ‘girls’ are you on about Joe ? Don’t tell me that you believe that ‘girls’ can live in a woman’s womb? Oh dear..
The sad fact is that many women who have abortions have stories to tell of carrying the burden secretly for years – this is mainly in countries where abortion is legal and it’s
wrong of this group to push it as though it’s the fault of abortion free Ireland -
@Kim Murphy: ermmm, you may eat to read the first lines again, this is about women who have had to travel abroad for an abortion, so it is the fault of “abortion free Ireland”.
@Kim Murphy: there are literally thousands of women in Ireland that have had abortions. Many women have ordered pills over the internet. Take your head out of the sand Ireland is not abortion free.
The woman who couldn’t be sedated because she had a cup of tea and she felt everything going on…. so did her baby. There’s a dash of cold water.
@Rosie Murray: How can something with no nervous system feel anything?
@DaisyChainsaw: Babies are born with an immature nervous system which fully matures over the first few years of life. Development of fetus’s nervous system begins in the first trimester. Perhaps the recently made argument for after birth abortion is one you’d be advocating for too?
@RG Law: Any reputable sites to back up that claim?
@DaisyChainsaw: which claim? The development of the human nervous system is well documented.
The BMJ published the argument for after birth abortion in a paper asking “Why should ffs baby live”.
http://jme.bmj.com/content/early/2012/03/01/medethics-2011-100411
@RG Law: the nervous system and therefore feelings of pain or otherwise only start working at around 26 weeks
@Rosie Murray: just wow, typical oirish statement and from a women no less. Extra punishment with a dose of shame, how quaint, how catholic.
@Ísla Carabine: No they don’t.According to the “experts” on the anti choice sites,they begin at the zygote stage…
@RG Law: It published an argument. It will never be anything other than that.
“It is being put on for those who are undecided”. So it’s just a piece of propaganda?
@50 Pence: did you ever put yourself in the shoes of a woman with an unplanned/non-viable pregnancy? Her options or how she would cope?
@Deborah Behan: Unplanned and non viable are different issues bound by the 8th. Should be voted on and dealt with separately
@lavbeer: how is it different?! Did you know that it’s a lot of married women with children who go for an abortion? Whether it’s because of money or otherwise is nobody’s business but theirs
@Ísla Carabine: because one is about aborting a viable pregnancy whilst the other is not. That’s the only point I made. Bound by the 8th.
In reference to pro-abortionist testimonies mentioned..
One lady said .. ‘I needed Ireland to take me into her arms and hold me..’
Isn’t that what every unborn child deserves. For you their mother; to hold them, protect them and love them unconditionally. Whether they were a result of a one night stand, a failed marriage, a forced sexual encounter.. That is your duty. Yet, you project blame to my beloved state for terminating their life.
‘But she (Ireland) turned her back in shame, she wouldn’t even look at me, pretended I wasn’t there..’. Again … isn’t this what you are doing to your precious baby… turning your back on it.. taking it’s only life away from him or her. Why should the state care for you, when you don’t care for your own baby….
@Aisling Kealy: “a forced sexual encounter”? Do you mean rape? It seems you are afraid to use the term rape, why is that?
@Aisling Kealy: spot on.
@Paul Fahey: I choose not to use rape as I simply see ‘rape’ plastered everywhere as a justification for abortion. Essentially they too are raping the child of their life. What are the figures on the number of women who actually fall pregnant due to rape in Ireland. Seeing as our supportive State actually provides rape crisis immediate support from the moment an incident is reported to A&E in most hospitals; which includes thorough medical examination and aftercare care (morning after pill). How many rape victims fall pregnant.. and are forced to abort because the state abandoned them?
@Aisling Kealy: I don’t care if you can use it or not and neither does the legal system, it is RAPE, not what you say it is, but RAPE. What does it say about you, a supposedly young woman (albeit it with banned Facebook page) that you will not use he term RAPE! It is frankly disgusting and an affront to every victim. I sincerely hope you never have to walk in the shoes of the victims.
@Aisling Kealy: so you support the morning after pill but you are against abortion? Sorry I’m confused( as are you it would seem).
@Aisling Kealy: let’s hope you never are the victim of a “forced sexual encounter” lest you be judged by someone like yourself. How’s that ivory tower working out for you?
@Deborah Behan: Hmm re-read my post if you wish to attack it. Did I suggest I support the horrendous act of rape. NO. Yes a rape is rape. The victim is a victim. An horrendous sexual act that is committed onto a woman. But the child conceived is also a victim of that act. Two wrong acts does not make a right one.
Powerful case in the US where mum who was raped but kept her daughter. She is alive today.. she gave her life. They are both prolife activists in the US! Something you should consider looking into.
@Aisling Kealy: nobody is pro abortion, we are pro choice. Nobody is forcing anyone to have an abortion, women ARE being forced into pregnancies they don’t want. Don’t agree with or want an abortion? That’s totally fine and I respect that, do not deny another woman the choice. It’s not your business
@Ísla Carabine: pro abortion is surely a subset of pro choice??? Fluffy term to distance yourself
@lavbeer: bugger off with your “fluffy term”. Pro abortion insinuates that we want women to have abortions, you know full well that is not the case. Again, it’s a very difficult decision to make and not one taken lightly so I’d advise you get off your high horse and actually speak to women instead of judging and shouting “murderer”, that could be your wife, daughter, niece, friend, sister etc in a horrible situation, are you actually going to sit there and tell them they’re murderers?
@Deborah Behan: you could both compare notes on your respective ivory towers …..
@Ísla Carabine: murderer .?? Relax will you …. it is not possible to be pro choice and not pro abortion!!!! You are offering choice but not agree with the options? Get over yourself.
‘There is a huge amount of anger, at the state, for putting people through this….’ Hmm so your blaming the state for an act you committed. Again another person projecting responsibility from the sole person who committed the action for conception to take place. Then again to the act of abortion. A series of wrongful actions committed by you. And your solution is to make yourself the victim. Abortion an act that is morally wrong. You take responsibility for your actions. It is absolutely wrong for you to kill.. and absolutely absurd that these testimonies are simply projecting the blame onto our beloved state. One fact is clear .. it is wrong to kill an innocent voiceless child. The state should support the life of the innocent child, especially when the one person that was meant to protect him/her chooses not to.
@Aisling Kealy: I take it you will be adopting lots of children then, whilst on that subject just how many children have you adopted?
@Aisling Kealy: you comments are based on what you believe. I believe that the ten Irish women who leave our shores every day to have an abortion in the UK should be catered for here. Irish women are having abortions, the “not in our back yard” mentality is ridiculous. We need to wake up and deal with our issues and not export them. It’s just my own personal opinion Aisling.
@Paul Fahey:
Yes absolutely Paul, why not adopt. Yes, why not advocate for better adoption facilities in Ireland, and allow couples/ or single women who cannot conceive or who do not wish to carry a baby adopt and care for these innocent children. Wow now that is an Ireland we could be proud of. I can choose to have my own children and I can also spread the love and adopt. Imagine where everyone was allowed to live and be loved. Your mum made that decision for you, perhaps her circumstances were better than some of these women. Perhaps she was in a marriage. Perhaps she had a supporting husband or family to guide her through her pregnancy. BUT thankfully, she made the decision…. to carry you and bring you into this world… and here you are…. Paul.
@Brian Madden: Thank you Paul for your polite yet contrasting opinion, which you are entitled to. It’s like treating artery disease … it’s not about doing thousands of bypass surgeries but now the focus is about prevention – educating people from the beginning to stop the disease progressing. Educate educate educate. This is applicable to his case, Educating women- about how they ended up pregnant .. what could be done differently .. informing other women so they do not end up down this path.
@Aisling Kealy: my mum made the decision, yes she dis, she made that CHOICE, but she may also have had abortions, I don’t know, your mum may have had abortions, you will never know. My parents had three children by the age of 20 and were forced to leave Ireland due to a lack of opportunity and catholic oppression, so to be very honest, I would understand if they did decide on an abortion, but then I would never have known would I.
So just how many children have you adopted? Or are you too young to adopt, but happy to force young women and teenage girls to give birth.
@Aisling Kealy: and how many marches have you attended to get better social welfare, better housing, better health care for these children? Ha! Now that’s an Ireland I would be proud of instead of a judging young woman who cannot even understand other people’s lives.
@Deborah Behan: So astonished that you have no argument there and you have just gone off the topic and jumped onto a woman’s financial burden.. my goodness this doesn’t even warrant a response.
@Aisling Kealy: adoption has nothing to do with abortion..please stick to facts..
@Aisling Kealy: There is no child in the womb.And there is no child killed in an abortion..In saying that there has been a child killed from sticking a bicycle spoke up her vagina. Nice new account by the way :)
@Aisling Kealy: I’m sure that you’ve heard this one before but here goes :) No woman owes a barren couple any child..Try to keep up :)
@The Dunes Of Inchy: oh I like that one!
@Aisling Kealy: well said Aisling.
The hypocrisy of “abortion free Ireland”! There are 4000 Irish abortions a year, outsourced via Ryanair and Stena to the UK. If antichoice hypocrites were really “prolife”, they’d be campaigning to repeal the 13th amendment and demand that any mensturating women or girl takes a pregnancy test prior to being allowed leave the country.
Woman’s body, woman’s choice.
Respect
Nobody is pro abortion, we are pro choice. Nobody has ever taken the decision lightly. Nobody is forcing women to have an abortion, women ARE being forced to be pregnant. If you don’t agree with it that’s perfectly acceptable, don’t have one, tell everyone you think it’s wrong but do not deny another woman the choice. How can anyone be so judgemental.
I agree we need to hear these stories. Abortion should be something to be celebrated, a badge of honour, a sign of wokeness, a sign of a liberal, progressive society.
@DPentony: I wouldn’t go that far. We have an gay Indian-Irish ‘leader who is a conservative (go figure) and no one Ive ever met celebrates an abortion. But a changing of the law will show that old Catholic Ireland is vanishing and that should be celebrated
@DPentony: Can I politely recommend that you Go and watch a small video on how a baby is aborted – Check out- ‘SECOND TRIMESTER SURGICAL ABORTIONS’ YouTube video. It is by a US doctor who performed abortions.
To put it briefly; all the fluid is sucked out so the baby is suffocated, the doctor reaches in and clamps what he/she can.. detatching one arm and leg at a time, the heart, the spine, then finally the hardest part requiring more force to crush and fracture the skull into pieces.
That may not be what some of you want to hear.. but that’s the truth. That is abortion. There is no prettying it up with roses and making it colourful.. it’s bloody and an horrific procedure, so why would anyone encourage someone to do such a thing.
@Aisling Kealy: Why are you talking through your hole…oh wait..you’re an anti :)
@Aisling Kealy: Funny how antis swarm around former mass murderer abortionists like flies around shit! A quick sowwy and all of a sudden they’re an antichoice hero, where as yesterday he was a baby killer!!
@Aisling Kealy: For the avoidance of any doubt, my comment was sarcasm.
@Aisling Kealy: and third trimester abortions are equally gruesome. Big pharma in the US are always anxious to source intact organs from second and third trimester aborted human beings. They’ve a value to them.
@DaisyChainsaw: there’s quite a number of former abortionists in the US who now advocate for the unborn human beings. These doctors are from a tiny set of medics to begin with, very few doctors choose to perform abortions as a service. It’s interesting that so many of this tiny set reverse their views and make their voices heard.
@RG Law: A tiny number that antichoice all of a sudden adore. Why is that? Monday a doctor is carrying out abortions and antichoice want to bomb his clinic and murder him. Tuesday he decides not to carry out any more abortions and the same people who wanted him dead are simpering all over him like he’s the second coming!
@DaisyChainsaw: Boom!
And poor RG LAW is going on about doctors not wanting to do abortions as a service..well the ones that did third trimester abortions (health reasons),they were having their lives ended by those “pro lifers..And that is one of the reasons that you now only have four doctors doing those procedures in the whole of the US..
Question to you RG Law : What profession carries out the most abortions in the US ?
Yes, my Mum has an untold story also. She was shown an aborted baby when working as a nurse in the UK in the 1970′s. She had NO CHOICE but to be shown it.-left her traumatised. They are human beings that have arms and legs and are FULLY HUMAN at a very early stage. You see, the argument that its a woman’s choice and her’s alone is not true.
Even thinking about abortions is highly distressing. I want NO part in it; as somebody who works in healthcare. I don’t want to pay for it. When its the law of the land everyone must go along with it, no matter how heinous you find it to be.
A nurse in Sweden recently lost her job as she didn’t want to be part of abortion teams.
I’m sickened this is going to go to a vote where people have this callous attitude that it’s no different that getting a ‘procedure’ to get a tooth pulled.
Here’s another piece of interesting filmography; ‘the silent scream’, footage of an abortion during ultrasound made by a former abortionist.The baby has reflexes at a ridiculously early stage.
Also, the Country doesn’t owe anyone, anything! Its like if i decided to eat cake every day for a month and then decide i’m entitled to liposuction because i want bodily autonomy & should have a ‘choice’ on what i weight. No sorry but nobody is exempt from cause and effect or from the consequences of our actions. There is no easy way out.
@Mary: In 1970- did your mother ever have to look at women that were severely injured internally, from having an illegal abortion ? Was she ever shown a corpse that had died from having an illegal abortion ?
Your teensy weensy taxes are going towards abortions been done in this country,AND towards them being done in the UK…
You don’t like abortion.Fine.Don’t procure one.
Sad state of affairs when women in this country are advocating to kill their unborn children, absolutely disgusting.
@Christine Paulette Roche: “Unborn Child” ?! No such thing. We are advocating that a woman doesn’t lose her right to her bodily autonomy when she becomes pregnant.That’s all.
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