While the Irish journalists indulge in hagiography of the new pope, illustrating his good qualities, it seems he may have been personally and directly complicit in the dictatorial purges in argentina, along with the Catholic church in general:

‘Bergoglio became a priest at 32, nearly a decade after losing a lung due to respiratory illness and quitting his chemistry studies. Despite his late start, he was leading the local Jesuit community within four years, holding the post from 1973 to 1979.

Bergoglio’s vocational success coincided with the bloody 1976-1983 military dictatorship, during which up to 30,000 suspected leftists were kidnapped and killed — which prompted sharp questions about his role.

The most well-known episode relates to the abduction of two Jesuits whom the military government secretly jailed for their work in poor neighborhoods.

According to “The Silence,” a book written by journalist Horacio Verbitsky, Bergoglio withdrew his order’s protection of the two men after they refused to quit visiting the slums, which ultimately paved the way for their capture.

Verbitsky’s book is based on statements by Orlando Yorio, one of the kidnapped Jesuits, before he died of natural causes in 2000. Both of the abducted clergymen survived five months of imprisonment.

“History condemns him. It shows him to be opposed to all innovation in the Church and above all, during the dictatorship, it shows he was very cozy with the military,” Fortunato Mallimacci, the former dean of social sciences at the Universidad de Buenos Aires, once said.’ (Reuters)

Present facts to catholic = does not compute

Likely because they are not facts Gaius. Anti-theists are just in such a rush to condemn anything religious or Catholic that they don’t look at the full story. He refused to endorse their theology. That does not make him a co-conspirator in kidnap. When they were kidnapped he had the dictators family priest call in sick so that he could go to his home and plead for their lives…successfully.

Some Argentinians with memory are horrified. So we’ll see.

That’s interesting El Brujillo. At my teenage daughters first sight of him, she expressed the view, with a doubtful yet hopeful look, that he seemed kind. She then asked me my opinion. I had to agree that he did indeed appear to have a kindly disposition. However, I had to honestly tell her that regardless of his likeable appearance, I didn’t believe that any genuine and honourable follower of the beliefs of Jesus, could have remained within such a rich and corrupt organisation without an ulterior motive. It could be argued that he is akin to an enemy agent, working from within, to gain the power to expose the corruption, and ultimately effect real change. That’s possible but historically unlikely. To get to his position, he would have had to turn a blind eye (or even two) to the atrocities committed by, and endorsed by the church. There is a modern fashion to question what Jesus would do in these situations. I think I know what he would do in this situation. He would expose them for the depraved self serving parasites that they are and would condemn them in the strongest terms. In his words, anyone who harms a child should have a millstone tied around their neck, and thrown into the nearest river. Even Jesus reckoned capital punishment was appropriate for paedophiles. I think punishment for religious charlatans shouldn’t be far behind. As is customary to say, rant over.

Boo hoo.

The new Argentine Pope is a massive supporter of the San Lorenzo football team.

His Supporters’ Club membership card – http://www.clarin.com/mundo/quiniela-Dios_0_881912061.html

His membership number: 8-8235N

Winning number in Argentina’s National Lottery on day of his election: 8235

Argentinian newspapers now referring to it as ‘God’s Lottery’!

JP2 FTW

I love the way he works the alter. Look at that chalice work … effortless

Lol

I guess its an ill wind that blows no good!

Ssssssssssssssss

Have an upvote for your avatar.

Ha ha brilliant. My comment of the week anyway.

Some insight on Bergoglio:
Bergoglio couldn’t prevent Argentina from becoming the first Latin American country to legalize gay marriage, or stop its president, Cristina Fernandez, from promoting free contraception and artificial insemination. When Bergoglio argued that gay adoptions discriminate against children, Fernandez compared his tone to “medieval times and the Inquisition.”

Great. Just what’s needed. Another one stuck in the dark ages.

Sadly, he seems true to form. It’s so depressing. There is one positive note though, their deceit is ever more transparent.

Apparently the first meal of a new pope has to be rabbit stew !……. crazy tradition but we all know about len and the paddy rabbitts !……… have to be very careful how we spell rabbit now apparently …it’s a communication thing apparently!

Len Brennan has a sore arse, apparently someone keeps kicking it over and over on channel 4. He’s too sore to sit on any throne, let alone the throne of Peter.

good to see them voting in a youngfella

The Falkland Islanders have questioned the vote

Fran from Love/Hate ?

Jeff- the Malvinas?

Bet the Brits get out of the Malvinas now

The Argy’s are dropping Falklands claim ,to put every effort into tax collection in there new Vatican colony

Gerry and Kevin will you be calling Cohb Queenstown ,or is it just your racism against the Falkland Islanders denying them the right to name there country like we Irish have ?

Jeff, relax only having a bit of a laugh
Malvinas or Falklands its all about the oil anyway
For hedge funds and bondholders to scrap over

I remember working in Manchester in 1982 and some people getting very excited about the Argies as they liked to call them and the Popes armies in Latin America.

It was crazy stuff at the time and still is.

Bit old alright.
Missed a big chance there.

The Catholic Church is still in the time warp of old is better.
A wasted opportunity!

Why is young better? Older people have more experience and wisdom.

JP 2 was a good 20 yrs younger for Gods sake.

Maybe they oils follow Ireland’s example an elect a young fella. Like Ming, perhaps. The choice of a new generation.

Regrettably there were no 25 year old lesbians available for selection.

Any self respecting lesbian wouldn’t be caught dead in those frocks

See there you go why shouldn’t a 25 year old lesbian or gay man be pope? Ultimately what has sex got to do with religion? Oh forgot, forget about that we’re talking about priests!

Why shouldn’t a gay person be the next pope?! If that has to be explained to you…..

Go ahead explain.

Please Terry……do enlighten us….why?

You couldn’t have a lesbian pope because you can’t have female priests.

Is that complicated for people?

Really, if I have to deconstruct the joke, it will be even less funny.

Well I don’t know about you but I think it would be a very weird situation, just as I would if a white person became the head of the NAACP or a black person the head of the KKK or Jew being the head of a nazi party.
Why do you think a gay person should be head of an organisation that is against homosexuality? Or are you simply talking nonsense?

@Terry.
It’s highly likely there have been a few closet gays already!

There are many Jews in the American nazi party

The pope doesn’t have to be a priest apparently. So in theory a 25 year old lesbian could be elected.

JP2 ???
Yes there’s an example we can all admire!
Not!

Some of Hitlers own family were Jews

Yeah distant relatives tho’ and no evidence they supported his policies. He had an Irish son tho (ok slight rewriting of history there) who allegedly blackmailed hitler by threatening to expose his Jewish ancestors

Are priests, bishops etc not married to God who is male most people seem to think. Are they not gay so? Or have I just ‘proven’ God’s a female?

No you just have proven yourself an idiot.

I thought a Bent Pope was a rugby pundit….

@terry. Lighten up. Ever heard of tongue in cheek?

Jesus had two dads

No, one was a Godfather..

Hence they give great counsel Terry . A leader needs energy and an element of charisma to draw all disparate factions of a corporation together guided by good counsel . Huge opportunity wasted . The Asteroid Hit long since and the dinosaurs don’t seem to be able to adapt to a modern world diminishing influence in a Western World with increased probity and media scrutiny . Their only hope is the less developed world which is a neo-colonial approach . In a hundred years time this selection will be irrelevant , there will be another conclave in a few years again and if its business as usual the church will become so irrelevant that like the dinosaurs it will become extinct and good riddance . If you are a person of faith your relationship is with your God not a political figure in religious clothing operating under a parallel law and of you are no faith this is of no consequence . I am the latter

Haha look at this saddo licking his greasy chops for a bit of non-PC shcandle from what he thinks is a ‘standard christian’ that he can stick in the old grudge box to add to the rest of his aggro and misery. Get a life ya mad catfish eating jessop handhanger.

Could be a good signing for the Craggy Island over 75′s 5 a side team.

Lol!

You’re entering the realms of deep theology here! Down with this sort of thing!

If there was a Francis the 2 he would be Francis the 3

Wow, that pretty clean for a cardinal. Only two murders

That is my comment of the week!

They were only commies so it doesn’t count.

@Derek Same old same old, so!

Oh yes! The witch-hunt can FINALLY begin! Someone new every day. It’s great.

Oh yes, definitely this man fits the profile of the corrupt murderer he’s made out to be. His living in a small flat over the appointed residence for the past few decades, his kissing the feet of AIDS patients as a show of love and respect towards them, his outspokenness on the human rights violations of the Argentinian government over the years, his upbringing in an impoverished area by a working class family, his lifetime of outward activity shunning pomp and ceremony but rather always seeking to be humble in all his ways.

But, I wont rely on my better judgement on this one. If, as you say, there was a case brought against him for muder in the past it must be true. Why would anyone want to sully the name of this man who spent a lifetime in service of the poor and mistreated? Who would dream of trying to defame the character of this man who was an outspoken activist against his government’s mistreatment of its people?

His beliefs are his own and he has a lifetime’s worth of actions, not just words, to show that he is a man of his word and a man of and for the people. I will be at least be giving him a chance before I drag him through the dirt.

May he be given strength and fortitude of spirit to be a beacon of light and the courage and strength to right the wrongs committed in the church’s name. Humility, peace and transparency are much needed and I hope this humble man may do his best to lead these virtues to the fore.

The usual half-truths that represent evidence on this site. The accusation was that he had been complicit in their kidnap because he had “refused to endorse their theology to the military regime”. You failed to mention that it was he persuaded the dictators usual priest to call in sick so that he could say mass in Videla’s home and plead successfully for the priests release (likely saving their lives).

What IS espanol for ‘ scurrilous bachelor living on the banks of the Tiber’??:-)

Can people not just accept that the church is never going to revolutionised, it’s never going to be modernised. If something is evil in the 1800’s according to an infallible pope how can it be ok now? If women priests are wrong and against scripture how can it suddenly be ok? it can’t . Married priest might happen as its not against scripture but merely a man made law; priests were originally allowed to marry and this ruling is reversible. Not a catholic myself, but them’s the rules. Can’t see why people who believe in sky fairies and who care about these issues don’t just leave the Catholic Church and become Anglicans.

How is there no picture of John Terry beside him on the Balcony of St. Peter’s doing the rounds yet?

He’s off trying to turn the 25 year old lesbian

Cheers lad, I am always looking to better myself.

Wouldn’t that be simply “Francis”? I think you start adding Roman numerals at two: Francis II, Superman II, Batman II, Star Trek Voyager…oops.

Well if the new Pope is black I am colourblind

He means a black pope as predicated by Malachy and Nostradamus. The long standing predication that this pope would be a black pope and thus herald the end of the world. Black did t refer to skin colour. Black being a euphemism for Jesuit. In other words we’re fecked. If you happen to believe in Nosradamus.

Yes, there was an article here in the Journal, about St Malachys prophecies a few weeks ago, along with a wikipaedia link.
The last pope before ‘the End’ is supposed to be a ‘black pope’
Only read recently that ‘black’ – is accociated with the Jesuits.
better start saying your prayers guys!!

The black pope is generally derogatory term for the leader of the Jesuits, because he wears black not white.

But this pope is wearing white.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes#Popes_1590_to_present

‘The Journal’ article was on the 12th Feb – & the wikipedia link above given
Interesting!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes#Popes_1590_to_present

The original Journal article was on the 12th February – with the above Wikipedia link
Interesting!!

They also said that the next pope after JP2 would be the anti-christ,love their fantasy stories

How do we know he’s not?

He was supposed to be from the Mediterranean according to the fairy-tale, it’s little stories like these that make vulnerable people ‘believe’

@damocles- the Michael Jackson of Popes, perhaps?

Hopefully Malachy was correct, and this is the last one. Fed up with the Roman Church with all their lies and repression.

When Malachy lived Jesuits didn’t exist, so he must have meant a black pope as in black skinned, but of course malachys prophesies were all rewritten in the 14th century to fit history up to that point, just as the bible has been rewritten to make it look like ancient prophesies came true. Who still believes in this crap.

According to conspiracy theory there has always been two popes at the Vatican one white (the one we all know J.P.1, J.P.2, ETC.) and a “black pope” (i.e. the leader of the jesuits)… again according to conspiracy theory the black pope is in charge of the satanic masses , the curia and the bank etc. – corruption if you will………….
Re: Prophecies of St. Malachy I have it open her in front of me ………..
Benedict was described as “Gloria Olivia” …which means the glory of the olive …… according to the interpretation I have here the olive is the symbol of the BENEDICTINE Order ….hence Benedict ?
The version I have points out that there is no definite contention that between “Gloria Olivia” and “Peter Romanus” there would be no other pope in other words Gloria Olivia was the last on Malachy’s list in terms of definite continuity and Peter Romanus is the last Pope who according to Malachy “In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Peter the Roman who will feed his flock among many tribulation after which the seven hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful judge will judge the people”
Don’t know how acccurate my translation is but there you have it …
Re; Black Pope ….. as I said conspiracy theory ;believe what you want !

Now that’s the comment of the week

What luck is required?

It’s a commonly used sentiment. You really need me to explain it?

That’s a great line.

Hahaha, fair fuuckin play to ya spud. Dead right. I don’t know why I do it to myself. And I’m only an ould bollix meself talking shi.te half the time. I feel sorry for the poor feckers who have to read it. Gluck anyway, spud. Thanks for the reality check.

the real question is: – “Would you listen to a spud on the street?”

Did you do each way or first past the popes?

if you are a minister maybe they will send you a little early for paddys day

Why is it historic – did they elect a reformer? A younger man perhaps, a woman, a black person.

NOTHING historic about this. Nothing!

Paul- the election of leader of over 1b people on the planet is by its very nature historic.

I wish the new Holy Father well. May God bless him in his endeavours.

Kevin does that mean you are very interested in china’s politics as well then? Given China has so many people and it has a leader ;-)

You could say him being the first Pope from South America, and the first Jesuit Pope are historic.

Paul there’s been a woman pope and a black pope so by your own standard there’s no historic elections to be made!

@barry- whether I’m interested or not doesn’t make it historic. The fact that 1 b Chinese would be very interested in it, does. Like, duh.

Hey Paul, maybe next time they will elect Rihanna to tick all your boxes. But for now, I’m the pope!

Kudos to your, Sir for being the first with that profile

Paul having a good moan…..? Nothing new here.

being pedantic here Paul but it actually is an historic day ……….history will record this man and his reign and you me and probably everyone on this page will forget it, even though we are the witnesses ………… funny how history works and perhaps more importantly how it feeds tradition and through same maintains the order of things !
Why are we even discussing this? it really will have very little effect on our lives …why? part of the reason is quite simply that there has always been a pope or at least as far back as anyone you have ever met can remember……..another reason is that with every change in personnel be it king, taoiseach or pope there is a potential for change …. it never happens or at least very rarely on the day of induction but our curiosity demands from history/tradition that we join the circus from day one because you never know where when how or why it will tickle your curiosity again! ………..e.g. Edward and Mrs Simpson, seismic in history, yet those who lived at the time probably forgot about it next day and got on with their lives……..Historic days are historic if to nothing else but history itself!

He won’t have the time to connect he’s 76 for f sake!

its not called connecting, i think they call it grooming

Not a lot of choice of 60 year olds in the cardinals. Could have been an “outsider” of course, then maybe a 60 years old, NOT….

Uhhhhh, maybe because the candidate the cardinal’s thought in the best position to lead the church was 76 years old. Is that not legitimate no? Perhaps we should disregard your own comments on this as more claptrap ramblings of an old coot. But I wouldn’t.

Goebbels would be proud of you

Sorry, I just cut and pasted that from an article in the Guardian. The UK seem to have a more dispassioned view of the proceedings which makes for slightly better reading. But, uh, thanks anyway Gaius. You poor lad. At least you managed to spell Goebbels’ name right, you’re not a complete waste of space!

Hear comes the hot stepper

im off to see the wizard

::snorts tea, nearly sprays it over screen::

Paul Madigan you just made my night! ;D

I am a real (south) American he went all Hulk Hogan on the Conclave brother

Me too! Comment of the week for Pail!

You were expecting Fr. trendy?

Sure…. Why not? Who?

Showing me age…..early Dermot Morgan character

I’ll check the FIFA rule book.

Saint Francis of no sissy’s?

Apparently Francis of Asissi was not a priest …it seems he would have been more of a druid (connected to nature ) than a priest ! The church “adopted” him apparently !

. . . . . just as long as they don’t “burn down the synagogues at six o’ clock” I won’t mind.

So, Francis can send missionaries to the Malvinas Isles to convert the bloody brit-lovin’ infidel heathens to the “one true faith”, that will bollox David Cameron and save him from doing a Thatcher and having a war to get re-elected.

A highly knowledgeable and informed verdict condemning the appointment of this man as the new pope I’m sure, Paul. And I’m sure you’re fluent in as many languages or have a similar lifetime of teaching in academia around the world that would put this old geezer to shame? Or perhaps some human rights work under the belt? Sponsored run maybe? Writing a little novel perhaps? A little story? Few pages? Hmm? A little protagonist maybe? Hmmm? A twist at the end perhaps? Got a, got a nice little story you’re working on there? Your big novel you’ve been working on for three years? Huh? Got a, got a compelling protagonist? Yeah? Got a obstacle for him to overcome? Huh? Got a story brewing there? Working on, working on that for quite some time? Huh? Yeah, talking about that three years ago. Been working on that the whole time? Nice little narrative? Beginning, middle, and end? Some friends become enemies, some enemies become friends? At the end your main character is richer from the experience? Yeah? Yeah? No, no, you deserve some time off. Good man.

Did anyone else start reading this comment like Stewie Griffin half way through??

@Trevor….Ditto

Not a black pope

He is the first Jesuit pope, therefore the first ‘black pope’.

`Black Pope` was erringly thought to refer to skin – however in reality it always referred to a Jesuit leader. Look it up.

“Look it up”

Err, no.

Don’t so and comment without thinking and show yourself up then. Whatever suits ya

That prophesy has about as much value as those “documented” in the bible.

Limofax. You did write that regarding the black “Jesuit” Pope on 12th feb. did u have any money on him?

Who said black pope? Malachy? Jesuits didn’t exist in his time

@larry Nah! If I had money on him, he wouldn’t have won.

@dermot if Malachy could see the future then he would also be able to see the future existence of the Jesuits

The journal wrote a piece on him a few weeks back and tipped him with paddypower at 14/1, however when I went on their website he was 80/1. Had a tenner on him and had totally forgotten about it. Thanks journal.

Nostradanus predicted the black pope not Malachy ….who was the first Irishman to be canonised by the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH ………….. Bridget and patrick and columbcille were Irish saints not Roman ones

Jesus would be disgusted with all the shite they wear. They are like us. Bowing and kissing the gold ring on their finger is ridiculous. Jesus was not like that. He was a man of the people for the people

Same again.
The future of the Catholic Church in the hands of old men.
They just don’t get it !

Brazil? Ah, how progressive…. er, hang on…

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1883598,00.html

Hmmm…..

Argentinian, though. Does that mean the UK have to give the Falklands back now? Next: an Irish Pope.

Good omen for Arsenal. Bayern Munich have never won a UCL last 16 2nd leg tie when white smoke is blowing from the Vatican chimney.

Argentinian?

Hand of God involved again…!?

@jennifer- surely Pope deserves a capital P? As promotions go, it’s a decent one.

I thought the exact same thing. All the pomp of the Vatican reminds me of the story of the golden calf that Moses’ followers were worshipping.

That could get very Messi .. d’oh!!

Jesus is a fictitious character.

With a name like Bergoglio he must be Italian.

Son of Italian immigrants. No change.

My apologies for jumping the queue but in the words of Pete Townsend, “. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss”.

Rumor has it that this new lad is serious craic, loves having a laugh an loves the drink! Supposed to do a hilarious impression of father ted too, and by rumor has it i of course mean that I’m trying to start a rumor

For sure. 76 doesn’t give us much time. And I’ve a shed load of things to do on my bucket list

Mostly involving twins

I don’t think the red thumbers got the Jesuit / Black Pope reference

I hear you, Kevin. Why would anyone red thumb the idea of twins?

Did Malachi not say he would be called Peter?

Kevin…they just haven’t educated themselves.

Dermot don’t be ruining a perfectly good vague prophecy with your specifics

Well did you know that most of the Nazi’s escaped to Argentina. Just saying…

Patrick he might not be a nazi but the Catholic Church didn’t exactly distinguish itself in Argentina when the fascists ruled and he was a senior member of that church

I stand corrected.

My only issue with that Deirdre is while the current age of retirement is 65/66 and many of us will be retiring likely at 70 , it is a little unfair to expect man , however noble , to take on the mantel of the seismic change required to restore the Church to a semblance of relevance in a world which demands greater probity and scrutiny of institutions . His wisdom and longevity of service should by all means be tapped but from the outside looking in and the general consensus is that the church needs to be invigorated not only from a political point of view but also pastorally . That means reaching out to the poor an those heretofore marginalised by the previous 2 Popes particularly as they are in the living memory of most . Reaching out physically as well with words and that requires huge energy and dynamism and significant instant charisma . Sadly they released the pause button without changing the cassette .reform starts right within him – He still has very polarising opinions , his history in Argentina will require scrutiny . Seems like a nice man but at 76 hardly likely to become a pioneer

Thanks I guess I should say although if the praying does anyone any harm please give a skip. As a secular humanist I will think for you.

You forgot the tooth fairy and Santa, surely they are overjoyed too?

Idolatry is a great head trip. Enjoy.

You said that already

Yes @stephen lets hope he does such a good job that The Lord takes him early .

Amen to the hierarchies of the cult that have destroyed so many lives. Long live the victims of this cult and the genuine believers of the philosophy of that ancient philosopher Jesus. The financial corporations that have turned his memory into a commodity have no shame.

Benny any if us could be that way in 18 hours, we know not the day nor the hour, age means little… Drive safely all

I heard he saved a 7 month old baby from a burning house in Buenes Aires,that baby’s name? Diego Armando Maradona

*frodo…

Wow, Michael. You are so clever and the 1b+ Catholics are so stupid. You truly are amongst the elite.

Go easy on the young lad, he’s only an anti-catholic in training. He has much work and honing of his skills yet to do before joining the lofty ranks of the council of sexy bigots. But he shows great potential. Misdirected anger, confusion, lack of spacial and temporal awareness. Yes, this one will go far. Give him 15 years and he will blossom.

Kevin, just because 1bn people believe their lives revolve around a made up tale of father-son issues, and contradiction doesn’t mean the rest of us should! You keep believing your institution of child molesters and murderers! Let the blind lead the blind…

Norris from the Seanad.

You care enough to comment mr Henderson. Best of luck to the man he’ll need it

Wouldn’t it be really good, though if he jumped on a 99c Ryanair flight from Rome to Dublin, got off the plane, apologised for the sins of the Church in Ireland, drew a line in the sand and promised to work day & night to restructure the Church, exposé and expel the evil that resides within it and deliver the Church that people of genuine faith deserve. I’m just saying. It would be nice.

It would be a 5 minute wonder.

@censored- but if he tried….

Considering what he represents,I wouldn’t want him over here under any circumstances other than bringing a lot of cash for victims

Peter- your anti-Catholicism is both blinkered and boring. Can I ask ( feel free to say no) but were you born a Catholic & got bitter or is it a Sectarian thing?

@ Kevin Shaw, interesting reaction to an anodyne comment. In the shoes of Christ, he must be a lover of children. Do you not agree?

He was a great supporter of authority, the military junta and he will be a great promoter of authority and discipline, bringing much needed military style obedience into the RCC.

@kevin surely 5.2 billion non Catholics can’t be wrong either!

@peter- I’ve read a multitude of your comments on here. They are vehement in their anti-Catholicism so there was nothing to be inferred from my comment. Anyone who read your previous posts know what you think. So the opportunity remains to answer my question. Or decline. Or ignore. As is your absolute right.

@beabad- I suspect we’re all wrong. It’s just whether which ones of us are wrong for the wrong reasons that interests me.

@ Kevin Shaw, yes, I oppose and criticise the Roman Catholic Church for its malevolent effect and its pernicious actions. I also oppose gun lovers, born again Christians and Muslim fundamentalists. I dislike fundamentalism and fascism. I decry the abuse, physical or sexual or both of children and I oppose organisations which promote, facilitate or conceal such activity. Fortunately, I am entitled to have these views and to express them, just as you are entitled to defend the indefensible and to promulgate the pernicious programme of Roman Catholicism.

Your reassurance and comfort is your conviction is that my soul and the souls of people like me, those dastardly “free thinkers”, will burn in hell for eternity for having the temerity to oppose the Roman Catholic religion which is the one true faith, immutable, infallible and all knowing.

Storm troopers for Christ and Soldiers of Jesus rule! Laughing!

Suffer little children to come unto me ………………….. this was the first line of my cathecism that I remembered when the Brendan Smith thing broke ! ……………… has it been going on for two thousand years?…..don’t know ……….

Peter- you didn’t answer my question. And I don’t have a religious bone in my body.

Did you fall and bang your head!!!

nay

So 5.8 billion people can go to hell then, is it? Great Catholic mind you have there Adam!

hell sounds like the place to go, that other place is full of catholic weirdos

Adam what a disgraceful thing to say. Im an atheist so I dont believe in this process & you say Im going to hell. Well if the RCC is not there I’ll voluteer. That remark is not very christian of you.

Adam I bet your the little price who went and ate the apple had started this whole mess

Who pissed on your cornflakes adam!! not very christian like now is it.

Clearly he’s a troll

Paul, and very hard bang it must have been

So Adam I take it you support child abuse then, if you think the Catholic Church is so wonderful?

Believe in whatever you like, by all means, but let the rest of us have our opinions too- it’s not a crime to disagree with this organisation, especially when their morals seem very doubtful in the first place!

There are Catholic priestly weirdos everywhere dressed in their rich conservative outfits sitting on thrones Jesus was a poor man and didn’t own a home The other Francis of the 13th Century was a lover of the poor,animals and birds Is this a joke that this new Francis the Jesuit is spreading unknown ingredients into the soup of the poor Francis ?

That’s the Christian spirit!

Well said Adam! F**k the haters!

Not very Christian

We have no embassy in Mecca either. Stupid comment

Paul. Mecca is a state, is it. Other countries don’t have one in Lourdes either. And the British embassy in knock is populated with a skeleton staff.

Yes, it makes sense.