These gangs are the greatest threat to the security of the State and the citizens there of. That being the case stronger powers of stop and search, better and more resources for police and customs and exise and where necessary internment without trial. We either take this bull by the horns now or future generations will suffer.

I think we need the Flex Squad from the Wire!

You hit the nail on the head there Benny when you said “Drugs are king and life is cheap. Slowly but surely Ireland is being destroyed by the criminal gangs involved in the highly profitable trade of illegal drugs, our current drug policies aren’t working and nothing’s being done to rectify the situation. Unless a new approach is adopted by our government, things are only going to get worse.

Too many do-gooders weakling the arms of the state to tackle such filth….

*weakening

zero tolerance seems to only apply to the road traffic act and non payment of tv licence in ireland

There was another non fatal shooting there 2 years ago. http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/criminal-shot-dead-by-masked-gunman-in-busy-pub-29106357.html

Oh god there has been Waaaaay more than just that Brian

Thank you Julie, just felt people should realise that his family in England, Australia and Canada are logging on to see the news and will read their comments! Regardless of their social or political views on drug or criminals, Paul was a person. The family have been through enough with that too x

@ Sean Beag – I don’t really think the argument is about defaming a mans reputation, I think the argument is about human decency. Laughing and making jokes about a persons death is not decent, those people would never say that to someone’s face so why type it? There were a couple of girls who clearly know the guy and were not saying defending his lifestyle but saying it’s offensive to joke about his death. The response they got was not people defending why they think it’s okay to joke and ridicule his death but was about how these girls were nothing, stupid, uneducated etc because they were not very articulate.
There is so much written lately about cyber bullying and people need to make a stand against those who say awful things to online. Just because this guy was perhaps a criminal doesn’t somehow negate other people responsibility to behave in a mature, respectful way.

“Was perhaps a criminal”? No, he was a violent drug dealer with the convictions to prove it. I have no problem with him being ridiculed or “disrespected”. You say that people wouldn’t say it to his face if he was alive. The same was said about Alan Ryan. That’s because of the fear they inspired due to their extremely violent nature. Don’t confuse it with respect. The country is a better place without him.

As to the abuse levelled at his friends. I think that was out of line. Although his friends engaged in it too. Personally I don’t care if they will miss him or if they are sad he is gone. If you befriend a man like that you should be seriously looking at what kind of person you are.

“perhaps a criminal” ??

@ Sean Beag – I was not saying that they wouldn’t say it to his families face because he was dangerous and instilled fear I’m saying they wouldn’t make those comments to ANYBODY because it’s easy to hide behind a fake profile and make jokes about someone’s death and if you wouldn’t do it in real life, don’t do it at the keyboard.

I decide where my moral decency lies on what I believe is right and wrong and not on who or what someone did. I would say most decent people would not make jokes about a dead person regardless of who they are.

As for his friends, they were not venting their sadness and saying they would miss him they were asking for a bit of human decency. You can go on about him and his criminal history but that doesn’t somehow mean you can lower yourself and have it be justified! The general difference between violent criminals and law abiding citizens is an understanding and respect for ethics and moral decency, you CAN’T pick and choose when you abide by it!

Oh and I said “perhaps a criminal” because I don’t know, if what I heard was true then I don’t deny he was a criminal.

Sean – You are massively wrong! You have no idea what he was like as a person, father or son. His family loved him and do not deserve to see him vilified when in this case he was the victim. He had served his time for the crimes he committed as a teenager! No one is saying he was a saint but he didn’t deserve to die either and his family definitely didn’t deserve to watch him being shot down in front of them, powerless to save him.

The was a lot of character assassinations going on in that thread also. Even from the so called regulars on this site

Mark. He was no angel and was not adverse to using violence himself. Live by the sword die by the sword.

I never said anyone was an angel or otherwise…I was simply commenting on some of the snobbish comments that seemed to be posted based on that peculiar type of snobbery that’s quite unique to our fair city

Make you’re own news app/site with a comments section and have your rules for it where you can say whatever the fook you want. This is the journals site/app, abide by the hosts rules and you’ll be fine

Who put you in charge?

Where did I admit insulting you, the deceased or anyone? I haven’t insulted anyone or used vulgar language and I definitely haven’t admitted something I didn’t do. You seem to be the one who needs to calm down and get over it.

You obviously misread the comment up higher, I said ‘I did NOT insult anyone, including you and the deceased”… Note the word NOT.

“You need to delete the comments before his family see”

Sorry, what? Surely that can be considered a threat, Julie. If you’re trying to portray yourself as someone who was abused for no reason, threatening an online news outlet isn’t the way to do it. Calm down! All this stuff annoys the hell out of me.

“Have some respect, a man has died”. Not a chance, if someone wants to live their life being a hardman, bullying people and generally being a snot on on the tissue of society, then they deserve the previous comments. This lad was no angel, so lets not start portraying him as such.

@Julie Oloughlin – Sorry to hear about your neighbour.
I agree with this girl and other people who have been sickened by the comments on here regarding this murder.
The same people were also commenting about how Cabra, Finglss & Tallaght are kips and ‘dangerous’ places to be.
They’re no more dangerous than my own neighbourhood!
There are crooks everywhere. Seanie Fitspatrick and Fingleton aren’t from these areas, nor is the bloke who f##ked the residents up at the priory hall.
At the end of the day no matter where it happened or what kind of record the victim had, he IS still a victim and WAS murdered – Some issues deserve to be dealt with care.
My Thoughts with his family and people who knew him.

jesus wept

Cry me a river.

Some people on here don’t care for human life just like the perpetrators in this killing. Shameless!

@ Boy Russell – I completely agree with you. These so called “superior moral” posters who laughed at someone who is dead and then when someone challenges their morals and asks them to stop the jokes because she knew him, starts a barrage of abuse mainly about her grammar! It’s amazing to me that it seems to be the so called “smarter, more eloquent” poster that is the first one to resort to personal attacks. Judging someone because of how they speak is beyond a doubt the dumbest thing I have ever come across and making jokes about someone who is dead is morally so low.

People may not agree with what he did in life, may not feel sympathy for where the path he chose lead him and just generally may not have sympathy for someone they don’t know, but it’s still a mans life and it’s a low response to laugh and make jokes. You have a choice after reading an article to move on and refrain from commenting but for every single person who chooses to post, joking and laughing about someone dying really has severe issues.

Hi Paul,

Not sure what you mean by open thread? Comments are open on all articles until there court proceedings have started and those charged named.

Thanks
Sinéad

You know exactly what I mean, uz quickly enough pointed out that any offensive remarks would be removed in the Oscar Pistorius case, why not stop the comments last night ???

Have you read some of the comments from yesterday story, their horrible and I’m not saying anything about his personality or what he done, or that i think hes a innocent victim, but think about his family and have a bit of respect. I’ve seen on other stories like the Oscar shooting one that people frm the journal.ie told anyone who put up cruel remarks would be taken down

Hi Paul,

I’ll have a look at the overnight comments now. On the Oscar Pistorius case, we asked for restraint after the comments section had descended into a ‘joke off’ despite the serious nature of the articles. Will do the same here if necessary. Thanks
Sinéad

Lets try again as my other comment was removed for some reason. I agree that all your comments should be removed from last nights thread. Some of the things you came out with were incredible. You called one man a “paedo” and threatened to call to his house when you get back from Australia. Pretty tragic stuff really.

lack of respect ? stop would ya

Hi all,

Can we please stop making personal comments towards each other. Thanks. If you’ve nothing to say on topic that isn’t derogatory, please refrain from saying anything.

We have a comments policy, please follow it.

Thanks
Sinéad.

You should look at that thread from last night Sinead, most of the comments from both sides were nothing short of disgraceful. I don’t know which was worse, the murder or the callousness & hatred in the comments towards the deceased. It got out of hand and a stop should’ve been put to it. Was there no moderator?

These comments have now been deleted.

Not at 3am no. On that note how much will the Journal pay me to babysit their articles on a night shift basis?

Not at 3am, no. On that note, how much will the Journal pay me to babysit their articles on a night shift basis?

What the hell? Im trying to reply to Johnny Reynolds above about there being no moderator!!

@declan. There doesn’t seem to be a moderator past 10 so there might be an opening for you

Whaddya say then Journal? Lay down a marker to the Government here and get Ireland working again!

There were no comments at 4am

On the article i was talking about, which has since been removed, there was. I checked it this morning and the time actually became part of the argument between two people.

Seeing as my earlier comment has been deleted…here it is again;

The words pot, kettle and black come to mind.

If this has turned into some horrible bullying session then Julie contibuted more than most to it.

P.S. Sinead how is this comment offensive? I am purely stating facts. I have not abused anyone or used vulgar language. Some people gave their honest opinion on the subject of the article and it was JULIE who started the personal attacks. She can give it but not take it.

I posted a similar comment this morning. I didn’t use bad language, I didn’t call anybody names, I didn’t insult the deceased man. I merely pointed out that Julie was crying victim when some of her comments were disgusting.
But the journal saw fit to remove my comment.

To top it all The Journal have deleted all of Julie’s offensive comments from the first article. Covering up the true nature of the ‘poor victim of bullying’. A disgrace.

B you are causing trouble in a dead mans article unlike u I will not lower myself to your level so I suggest u forget about it ,it’s not your argument or your bussiness so go find someone else to pick on as I’m so over all the badness u can dish!!!

What level would you be lowering yourself to? I have not abused anyone, including you and the deceased. I merely pointed out you at the very least gave as good as you got, and that is putting it very mildly. You threw personal insults at everyone whose opinion you did not like. We live in a democracy and are all entitled to our own opinions, including you.